Note: Missing Archetype combos with Archon as the Primary Archetype and missing combos with Ritualist as the Secondary Archetype (discussed near the end) Timestamps: -- Pre-intro Audio setup -- 4:41 Stream Chat interaction | Malaysian Breakfast 20:26 Bolt Jamison Discord Jumpscare -- Intro -- 21:51 Hey People and introducing Bolt Jamison (No Gunner's Guild intro) 22:51 Phemeto acknowledging the 'too much interrupting guest' comments in last video 23:44 Monster Hunter Wilds sidetrack 24:26 Why tier Base Archetypes first, Archetype Combos after 24:57 Measurement standards considered for tiering the Archetypes -- Base Archetypes -- 26:26 Alchemist 31:20 Archon 38:50 Challenger 46:22 Engineer 55:30 Explorer | Re-tiered near the end 59:26 Gunslinger 1:04:05 Handler 1:13:36 Invader 1:20:35 Hunter 1:24:53 Medic 1:30:47 Summoner 1:38:47 Ritualist 1:45:26 Invoker -- Archetype Combos -- Note: Missing Archetype combos with Archon as Primary Archetypes and missing combos with Ritualist as Secondary Archetype (discussed near the end) 1:50:48 Alchemist Archon | C 1:51:58 Alchemist Challenger | S 1:51:09 Alchemist Engineer | D 1:52:35 Alchemist Explorer | D 1:52:47 Alchemist Gunslinger | B 1:53:46 Alchemist Handler | C 1:54:06 Alchemist Hunter | C 1:54:24 Alchemist Invader | C 1:54:45 Alchemist Invoker | D 1:55:03 Alchemist Medic | A 1:55:19 Alchemist Summoner | B 1:55:49 Challenger Anything | D 1:57:23 Engineer Alchemist | A 1:57:40 Engineer Archon | B 1:58:00 Engineer Challenger | A 1:58:11 Engineer Explorer | C 1:58:36 Engineer Gunslinger | C 1:58:57 Engineer Handler | S 1:59:14 Engineer Hunter | C 1:59:25 Engineer Invader | D 1:59:37 Engineer Invoker | S 1:59:58 Engineer Medic | A 2:00:39 Engineer Summoner | B Engineer Ritualist (Discussed in Ritualist Engineer later on) | A 2:01:10 Explorer Anything | D 2:03:59 Gunslinger Alchemist | B 2:03:30 Gunslinger Archon | D 2:03:44 Gunslinger Challenger | S 2:04:00 Gunslinger Engineer | D 2:04:10 Gunslinger Explorer | D 2:04:20 Gunslinger Handler | A 2:04:41 Gunslinger Hunter | S 2:04:54 Gunslinger Invader | C 2:05:15 Gunslinger Medic | B 2:05:33 Gunslinger Summoner | D 2:06:30 Gunslinger Invoker | D 2:07:09 Handler Alchemist | C 2:07:44 Handler Archon | C 2:08:12 Handler Challenger | B 2:08:25 Handler Engineer | C 2:08:52 Handler Explorer | C 2:09:17 Handler Gunslinger | B 2:09:30 Handler Hunter | B 2:09:39 Handler Invader | C 2:09:56 Handler Invoker | D 2:10:13 Handler Medic | A 2:10:38 Handler Summoner | C 2:11:07 Hunter Alchemist | A 2:11:16 Hunter Archon | B 2:11:45 Hunter Challenger | S 2:11:56 Hunter Engineer | B 2:12:31 Hunter Explorer | D 2:12:45 Hunter Gunslinger | S 2:13:00 Hunter Handler | A 2:13:22 Hunter Invader | A 2:13:43 Hunter Invoker | D 2:13:55 Hunter Medic | B 2:14:09 Hunter Summoner | D 2:14:20 Invader Alchemist | C Invader Archon (Accidentally skipped, discussed later after initial Tier List Completion) | B 2:15:06 Invader Challenger | A 2:15:34 Invader Engineer | D 2:15:56 Invader Explorer | D 2:16:04 Invader Gunslinger | B 2:16:54 Invader Handler | B 2:17:14 Invader Hunter | A 2:17:26 Invader Invoker | C 2:17:55 Invader Medic | C 2:18:13 Invader Summoner | D 2:18:23 Invoker Alchemist | C 2:18:50 Invoker Archon | S 2:19:09 Invoker Challenger | S 2:19:39 Invoker Engineer | S 2:19:54 Invoker Explorer | D 2:20:06 Invoker Gunslinger | A 2:20:28 Invoker Handler | A 2:21:27 Invoker Hunter | D 2:21:55 Invoker Invader | C 2:22:16 Invoker Medic | A 2:22:39 Invoker Summoner | A Invoker Ritualist (discussed in Ritualist Invoker later on) | S 2:23:08 Medic Alchemist | A 2:23:42 Medic Archon | A 2:24:19 Medic Challenger | A 2:24:29 Medic Engineer | C 2:24:53 Medic Explorer | C 2:25:16 Medic Gunslinger | B 2:25:29 Medic Handler | A 2:25:40 Medic Hunter | B 2:25:50 Medic Invader | C 2:26:11 Medic Invoker | C 2:26:42 Medic Summoner | A 2:27:21 Ritualist Alchemist | C 2:27:51 Ritualist Archon | A 2:28:35 Ritualist Challenger | A 2:28:53 Ritualist Engineer | B 2:29:37 Ritualist Explorer | S 2:29:49 Ritualist Gunslinger | C 2:30:35 Ritualist Handler | C 2:31:16 Ritualist Hunter | C 2:31:30 Ritualist Invader | C 2:31:53 Ritualist Invoker | A 2:32:29 Ritualist Medic | A 2:32:40 Ritualist Summoner | B 2:33:19 Summoner Archon | B 2:34:08 Summoner Alchemist | D 2:34:31 Summoner Challenger | B 2:34:50 Summoner Engineer | B 2:35:05 Summoner Explorer | D 2:35:14 Summoner Gunslinger | D 2:35:20 Summoner Handler | B 2:35:35 Summoner Hunter | D 2:35:38 Summoner Invader | D 2:35:45 Summoner Invoker | D 2:36:23 Summoner Medic | B 2:36:40 Initial Tier List Completion 2:37:00 Chat's Opinion? 2:39:13 Chat: Invader Archon should be A Tier 2:40:40 Invader Archon | B 2:41:47 Chat: Explorer should be C Tier 2:44:40 Ritualist as Secondary Archetype 2:46:05 About the Archetype Combos 2:46:29 Tank Stuff Opinions 2:47:34 Opinions on Aberration modifiers and Beyond Hell Ideas 2:49:48 Wrap Up 2:50:47 Opinion on Balance Patches 2:51:51 Outro -- Misc -- 1:53:27 What each Tier means (kinda)
What are you tier ranking exactly? Seems like 'shortest kill time on a boss you've already learnt the moves of'. I've watched Bolt tackling dlcs blind. He switches to more tanky builds when facing new unknown bosses that don't go down straight away. How's the build you move into when the going gets tough worse than the glass cannon build you move out of? The builds you use when tackling new content are the ones I would place top
What’s the rationale for Hunter/Archon being B but Gunslinger/Archon being D tier, don’t they more or less do the same thing with ammo mod builds? If anything I’d argue gunslinger’s synergy with leaking gemstone is a little better since you’re generating more mod power over the same duration with the increased fire rate.
I can't believe Engineer is B tier lmao , this archetype have litteraly a +50% skill damages, one of the best trait " fortify" , melee with heavy weapon is good as well you pair thes archetype with challenger and juggernaut it's even more good, a very stong prime perk that shine the most on Vucain turret to me , you also get an +15% damage resist while a turret is active and it regenerate ammo gradually,
Note: Missing Archetype combos with Archon as the Primary Archetype and missing combos with Ritualist as the Secondary Archetype (discussed near the end)
Timestamps:
-- Pre-intro Audio setup --
4:41 Stream Chat interaction | Malaysian Breakfast
20:26 Bolt Jamison Discord Jumpscare
-- Intro --
21:51 Hey People and introducing Bolt Jamison (No Gunner's Guild intro)
22:51 Phemeto acknowledging the 'too much interrupting guest' comments in last video
23:44 Monster Hunter Wilds sidetrack
24:26 Why tier Base Archetypes first, Archetype Combos after
24:57 Measurement standards considered for tiering the Archetypes
-- Base Archetypes --
26:26 Alchemist
31:20 Archon
38:50 Challenger
46:22 Engineer
55:30 Explorer | Re-tiered near the end
59:26 Gunslinger
1:04:05 Handler
1:13:36 Invader
1:20:35 Hunter
1:24:53 Medic
1:30:47 Summoner
1:38:47 Ritualist
1:45:26 Invoker
-- Archetype Combos --
Note: Missing Archetype combos with Archon as Primary Archetypes and missing combos with Ritualist as Secondary Archetype (discussed near the end)
1:50:48 Alchemist Archon | C
1:51:58 Alchemist Challenger | S
1:51:09 Alchemist Engineer | D
1:52:35 Alchemist Explorer | D
1:52:47 Alchemist Gunslinger | B
1:53:46 Alchemist Handler | C
1:54:06 Alchemist Hunter | C
1:54:24 Alchemist Invader | C
1:54:45 Alchemist Invoker | D
1:55:03 Alchemist Medic | A
1:55:19 Alchemist Summoner | B
1:55:49 Challenger Anything | D
1:57:23 Engineer Alchemist | A
1:57:40 Engineer Archon | B
1:58:00 Engineer Challenger | A
1:58:11 Engineer Explorer | C
1:58:36 Engineer Gunslinger | C
1:58:57 Engineer Handler | S
1:59:14 Engineer Hunter | C
1:59:25 Engineer Invader | D
1:59:37 Engineer Invoker | S
1:59:58 Engineer Medic | A
2:00:39 Engineer Summoner | B
Engineer Ritualist (Discussed in Ritualist Engineer later on) | A
2:01:10 Explorer Anything | D
2:03:59 Gunslinger Alchemist | B
2:03:30 Gunslinger Archon | D
2:03:44 Gunslinger Challenger | S
2:04:00 Gunslinger Engineer | D
2:04:10 Gunslinger Explorer | D
2:04:20 Gunslinger Handler | A
2:04:41 Gunslinger Hunter | S
2:04:54 Gunslinger Invader | C
2:05:15 Gunslinger Medic | B
2:05:33 Gunslinger Summoner | D
2:06:30 Gunslinger Invoker | D
2:07:09 Handler Alchemist | C
2:07:44 Handler Archon | C
2:08:12 Handler Challenger | B
2:08:25 Handler Engineer | C
2:08:52 Handler Explorer | C
2:09:17 Handler Gunslinger | B
2:09:30 Handler Hunter | B
2:09:39 Handler Invader | C
2:09:56 Handler Invoker | D
2:10:13 Handler Medic | A
2:10:38 Handler Summoner | C
2:11:07 Hunter Alchemist | A
2:11:16 Hunter Archon | B
2:11:45 Hunter Challenger | S
2:11:56 Hunter Engineer | B
2:12:31 Hunter Explorer | D
2:12:45 Hunter Gunslinger | S
2:13:00 Hunter Handler | A
2:13:22 Hunter Invader | A
2:13:43 Hunter Invoker | D
2:13:55 Hunter Medic | B
2:14:09 Hunter Summoner | D
2:14:20 Invader Alchemist | C
Invader Archon (Accidentally skipped, discussed later after initial Tier List Completion) | B
2:15:06 Invader Challenger | A
2:15:34 Invader Engineer | D
2:15:56 Invader Explorer | D
2:16:04 Invader Gunslinger | B
2:16:54 Invader Handler | B
2:17:14 Invader Hunter | A
2:17:26 Invader Invoker | C
2:17:55 Invader Medic | C
2:18:13 Invader Summoner | D
2:18:23 Invoker Alchemist | C
2:18:50 Invoker Archon | S
2:19:09 Invoker Challenger | S
2:19:39 Invoker Engineer | S
2:19:54 Invoker Explorer | D
2:20:06 Invoker Gunslinger | A
2:20:28 Invoker Handler | A
2:21:27 Invoker Hunter | D
2:21:55 Invoker Invader | C
2:22:16 Invoker Medic | A
2:22:39 Invoker Summoner | A
Invoker Ritualist (discussed in Ritualist Invoker later on) | S
2:23:08 Medic Alchemist | A
2:23:42 Medic Archon | A
2:24:19 Medic Challenger | A
2:24:29 Medic Engineer | C
2:24:53 Medic Explorer | C
2:25:16 Medic Gunslinger | B
2:25:29 Medic Handler | A
2:25:40 Medic Hunter | B
2:25:50 Medic Invader | C
2:26:11 Medic Invoker | C
2:26:42 Medic Summoner | A
2:27:21 Ritualist Alchemist | C
2:27:51 Ritualist Archon | A
2:28:35 Ritualist Challenger | A
2:28:53 Ritualist Engineer | B
2:29:37 Ritualist Explorer | S
2:29:49 Ritualist Gunslinger | C
2:30:35 Ritualist Handler | C
2:31:16 Ritualist Hunter | C
2:31:30 Ritualist Invader | C
2:31:53 Ritualist Invoker | A
2:32:29 Ritualist Medic | A
2:32:40 Ritualist Summoner | B
2:33:19 Summoner Archon | B
2:34:08 Summoner Alchemist | D
2:34:31 Summoner Challenger | B
2:34:50 Summoner Engineer | B
2:35:05 Summoner Explorer | D
2:35:14 Summoner Gunslinger | D
2:35:20 Summoner Handler | B
2:35:35 Summoner Hunter | D
2:35:38 Summoner Invader | D
2:35:45 Summoner Invoker | D
2:36:23 Summoner Medic | B
2:36:40 Initial Tier List Completion
2:37:00 Chat's Opinion?
2:39:13 Chat: Invader Archon should be A Tier
2:40:40 Invader Archon | B
2:41:47 Chat: Explorer should be C Tier
2:44:40 Ritualist as Secondary Archetype
2:46:05 About the Archetype Combos
2:46:29 Tank Stuff Opinions
2:47:34 Opinions on Aberration modifiers and Beyond Hell Ideas
2:49:48 Wrap Up
2:50:47 Opinion on Balance Patches
2:51:51 Outro
-- Misc --
1:53:27 What each Tier means (kinda)
21:12 starts around here
Solid tier list! I think Engineer deserves A but hopefully there will be some slight buffs to make it a solid A tier archetype lol
I love engineer. You can use the turret at ranged and its the best melee weapon too! Lol.
What are you tier ranking exactly? Seems like 'shortest kill time on a boss you've already learnt the moves of'. I've watched Bolt tackling dlcs blind. He switches to more tanky builds when facing new unknown bosses that don't go down straight away. How's the build you move into when the going gets tough worse than the glass cannon build you move out of? The builds you use when tackling new content are the ones I would place top
What’s the rationale for Hunter/Archon being B but Gunslinger/Archon being D tier, don’t they more or less do the same thing with ammo mod builds? If anything I’d argue gunslinger’s synergy with leaking gemstone is a little better since you’re generating more mod power over the same duration with the increased fire rate.
I can't believe Engineer is B tier lmao , this archetype have litteraly a +50% skill damages, one of the best trait " fortify" , melee with heavy weapon is good as well you pair thes archetype with challenger and juggernaut it's even more good, a very stong prime perk that shine the most on Vucain turret to me , you also get an +15% damage resist while a turret is active and it regenerate ammo gradually,
For Handler, I often struggle to justify putting it on over another archetype.
Ritualist with Firestorm or Starshot fire DOT is still killing it.