i am vietnamese. Just like korea, vietnam has differentiated ourselves from china even though we took an abundance of inspiration from china. But theres many differences in vietnamese culture, just like how korea has many differences in their culture from china. But in the MV, it was very obviously it was chinese culture but the creative director took it and painted it as 'koreaness'. No korean netizen even bothered to point out that korea was originally inspired by china. The only original korean parts are the story (tiger eats the sun i think?)
Thank you for saying this! I feel like non-Asians don’t realize that despite Asian cultures being ‘similar’ there are still massive differences between them. So they just dismiss cultural appropriation as “well you’re all kind of similar anyway.”
@@ruiqi22 definitely! Those delusional knets and the koreaboos are trying so hard to defend it even though I could tell it was chinese as soon as I watched the video! Whats worse is i barely know korean and chinese culture and i could tell the difference! 😔
Chinese artists, please refrain from imitating Korean celebrities. It's contradictory to mimic Korean stars while China restricts their entry. Additionally, Chinese businesses posing as Korean brands in Southeast Asia should cease operations. It's important to self-reflect and critique one's own country first.
@@user-ks4tv5ru3cdon't shame on Koreans 😅I can definitely tell you that theses elements in the video are Chinese culture as a Korean please stop trying to change the subject
For real. So tired of people arguing about something that could be solved by cracking open a book or watching the History Channel every once in a while...
@@givarialiimran783 Well, most "Malays" are actually descended from Indonesia, sure there's some original cultures but those are like created in modern timeline rather than ancient/pre-modern
for real; if they're 2 different cultures, they shouldn't try blurring the lines even just a bit! cuz then that gets dangerous; China is China. Korea is Korea!
Chinese people r open for other ethnic groups to use and appreciate Chinese culture, but admit that it's actually Chinese culture. Y'all def learned proper citations and plagiarism consequences in school and shld understand the seriousness of this issue.
You don't get to claim ownership due to influence. Cultures are not copied. They are adapted for local use. Go study some anthropology. You think Chinese culture is 100% original??? Why don't you cite the influences that China received? Why the hypocrisy? The cold, hard truth is that you are ultranationalists trying to co-opt the traditional culture of your neighbors. You want to ride the coattails of Kpop now that Korea is gaining attention from the world.
hi, chinese here and im here to point out just what is going on instead of people saying “oh yall just overreacting, stop accusing people of copying” the artist studied CHINESE paintings, with the old posts mentioning chinese ink painting and chinese painting, only to change their tune to say that “I STUDIED KOREAN TRADITIONAL ART FROM KOREAN UNIVERSITY” after they got commissioned by starship. there were also many notable pieces by the same artist that were plagiarised (eg. taking a traditional outfit design, altering it, and taking all the credit by EXHIBITING it.) there was also this ink painting where there were tanghulus and earphones? in it which wouldnt be worse if they didnt claim it is korean culture. the chinese knots styled on the girls is a disrespectful act as chinese knots signify peace and prosperity. not a hair accessory. the fan rei holds in the MV is from chinese mythology, called 芭蕉扇, which is mentioned in an arc of journey to the west (西游记） the stick-looking thing yujin holds in the mv is a tool used to smoke opium in china. the elements in the set (from the clouds to the mountains) are all chinese inspired. we wouldnt be this mad if they were just inspired, but they had to add that it was korean culture, so basically this anger was called for. either way, the chinese fans are not blaming IVE, they are blaming starship. however they are currently boycotting the album just to remind starship of what they have done.
@@inhim05 i think you are the one confused here. whatever the “koreans” did in china are part of chinese culture, it will only be korean culture when they flee to korea. these ancient chinese elements existed before korea. therefore these are chinese, not korean, as korea did not exist back then. i hope i answered your question 😭
This illustrator has studied in China.Her previous works were tag“chinese panting”“chinese ink”but now she has changed the tag.They completely denied the facts.事実を完全に否認してね😂
Chinese think they invented everything lol. "Chinese painting" is just an English term for East Asian painting. Spend more time worrying about the viruses you put into the world than on trying to claim other cultures
@@RocSaltAndPepperMint There seems to be a lot of CCP bots and troll farms on here working overtime. These people lack such a fundamental understanding of history and anthropology that they think everything similar is theirs. And this one is even pretending to be Japanese....lol
@@SI0T3 She didn't "study in China". You CCP bots are so low, spreading fake news lmao. "Chinese ink" is just the English term for traditional East Asian painting. These Chinese think they invented and own everything. The bots are out in full force. Go ahead. Your despicable plans will not succeed.
Don't go using Chinese motifs and Chinese knots just because it's pretty, and Koreans say: oh, it's so similar to us, just imagine it's from Korea. In fact you have not used such fans with patterns in your traditional festivals, but you think it's similar ..... . and used it. Koreans may not be able to see it, but each pattern means something different to Chinese people.
Those Chinese patterns are called Xiangyun, those Chinese knots are called Zhongguojie,usually red rope, and the use of white color means death and graveyard, please understand the meaning and respect the Chinese culture before using it, don't use it in kpop just because it's pretty.
Yeah tbh we don't know that meaning but still WE ARE LIKE 2000 KM AWAY BRITAN HAS INFLUENCE IN FUCKING AUSTRALIA ITS BASICALLY OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE FUCKING WORLD
why Chinese knot turns white? And it was worn on the head? Don't Koreans have their own headdresses? copying is so ugly! It just like quoting without attribution, that's plagiarism. When I first saw that Mv , really angry!
@@etvow So many people have done the work already, while you seem not so patient to read or watch. Maybe you are not confident when seeing those proofs🤣🤣
the moment the MV began, i knew that they were taking elements from chinese culture and i was living for the concept… until i found out that it was being rebranded as a unique interpretation of korea. even though some of their outfits COULD be interpreted as hanbok (if you squint hard enough), it’s quite obvious that the overall aesthetic of the mv and their outfits were taken from chinese elements. individually, i think you COULD say that they were an interpretation of korean culture (if you squint hard enough), but the combination of the tassel, the pipe, and the clouds make it obvious what they’re actually referencing. truthfully, when they released this mv, i genuinely thought that they were planning a chinese debut 😭
As a mixed east asian myself I have to say the MV uses a lot of elements that are clearly Chinese and not Korean, but the group has been advertising their comeback as promoting Korean culture. I say the Chinese fans have the right to be angry
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
@@user-es6ke4qm4p Shanshui originated in china. It’s called Sansuiga in Japanese. It’s hard to argue origins when it comes to ancient fine art and cultures in Eastern Asia. It’s almost always Chinese in origin.
@@user-es6ke4qm4p the mountain paintings are Shan shui 山水, that's where the name comes from, China was painting them long before anyone else ever did, it first began to develop in the 5th century in the Liu Song dynasty
Now, to understand why people are upset: it's because Koreans claim that the culture originated from them. that's why people are upset. Some celebrities even claim that the Chinese word '汉字' originated from Korea. That's why people are becoming more sensitive nowadays and want to educate them properly. Additionally, some elements in the MV aren't even used in Korea at all( particularly the Chinese button designs,golden sun bird, dudou etc. )so claiming it as Korean culture is simply wrong. The artist of the MV actually went to Beijing beforehand to learn about the culture, such as how to draw Chinese landscape painting, etc. and also has a history of learning from others and claiming their work as her own. This is evident from her copying of the T-shaped painting on silk from the Xin Zhui tomb, adding a head to it, and now asserting it as original. This behavior is highly disrespectful to the Chinese. Applying them and claiming them to be yours after learning is just wrong.
China has a long history and if you do research and trace back, you’ll find China had big influence on Asian countries over the centuries. These elements are adopted from China. But I haven’t seen any Korean netizen admit that these elements come from China. That’s why people are pissed off.
@@loelds4817 the Hanzi? Netizens. And there's a guy named Kim, I forgot his full name, but I remember he said that on a TV show called '빅퀘스천' (Big Questions)
literally nowhere do they claim it originated from them. Their korean wikipedia literally says that the origin is from china... im not sure what ccp propaganda you're being fed. Just because they said it's korean culture doesn't mean they meant it "originated" from korea. Unless you want them to give you a full history lesson from beginning to end everytime they introduce the mv haha😂
Ok, I think there're some sort of misconceptions going on here and the other comment sections. Chinese fans would've probably really enjoyed the mv and felt proud that their culture is being seen and appreciated by the international community. The problem is, no one has given any credits (not a single word)to the Chinese elements that were used in this mv (you can search up the details); instead, starship and ive just decided that they were gonna rebrand all of it as the "unique Korean beauty". BTW the fact that they decided to put the OPIUM pipe with xiang yun (which is the cloud y'all are referring to)is just nonsense and clearly demonstrates the lack of effort that the korean producers have put into the researching process, as these two elements should never go together. Like bruh...how could anyone exhale auspicious clouds from an opium pipe....
Holey shit I did not notice that. Opium also has a very significant place in Chinese history. As an ethnically Chinese person, it does seem ignorant of the way opium has devastated the Chinese people, and the entire event is spoken of shamefully in hindsight…
i'm chinese and you said this so well! honestly we don't even care if the elements were used, and we KNOW that there are a lot of similarities. but if our culture was given at least a little credit, since some parts are unmistakably chinese, i think everyone would be less mad. and the opium pipe too...that was such a horrible time in china.. ik this mv is for kpop and about korean idols so our history is relatively irrelevant but like?? i don't think opium pipes were a good idea to include as an element in an influential group's mv in the first place
Because its not chinese. Do you look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁♂️ chinese have a double standard racist hatred towards koreans.
The Tanghulu example is a good example of why the Chinese are angry because the Koreans always know that the Tanghulu is from China, but they don't speak up and choose a way to make people from other countries assume that the Tanghulu is from their country. They have transferred Chinese culture and Chinese things in this way many times. I know that many people don't care about the origin of the Tanghulu or the origin of the elements in the music video. But if the Chinese don't say it, South Korea will repeat the same trick to claim these elements as Korean, and over time everyone else will think they are Korean, too. You can't say that just because the Chinese are speaking up to protect their own things that they are doing too much.
Yeah! IKR! So now that we're finally speaking up, we're being beaten down.. There's actually so much evidence about this topic on Ive's Heya, but all of it is on Chinese websites..
뭔소리를 하는건지 탕후루 마라탕 전부 중국에서 온거 다 안다. 탕후루가 중국음식이라는걸 말하지 않는다고? 뒤지게 많이 언급하니까 짜증나게 하지마셈 그리고 뭐 음식을 먹을때마다 어느 나라 음식인걸 말하나 보통? 예를 들어 그냥 초밥 먹는다 하지 매번 일본 초밥 먹는다고 하냐고 중국인들은 한국사람들이 공자가 한국인인줄 안다는 등 이상한 주장을 하고 그걸 또 믿더라 꼭
It is always said that the cultures of China and South Korea are very similar, so this MV is not a problem.I can see this statement in many disputes about Chinese and Korean cultures. But what you need to pay attention to is Koreans often mix China's culture with theirs. This is very cunning.They don't use 100% China culture, But sometimes they use Korean style things, and sometimes they use Chinese style things.This will confuse people and make them not know the truth. They sometimes call this mixed style Oriental or Asian.Of course, they will still emphasize the Korean name more in it.There is nothing wrong with emphasizing Korea, but it always makes people think all the content is Korean style.
I am here to against Koreans’ cultural appropriation! Some Koreans nowadays are simply ‘copying’ Chinese culture without making many changes, and claim to be their own, later on they claim this culture is originated from Korean and tell everyone Chinese people are stealing their culture😅😅 This is totally cultural appropriation! A thief stole a stuff from a person and that person says that stuff is theirs and the thief starts to accuse that person a thief😅😅 Chinese people have never been mean when we are sharing Chinese culture, that is why we can see East Asian culture now! East Asian culture has similarity of course because it is originated from China and other country combined it with their own to become a more lovely culture. Japanese culture was also influenced by Chinese culture and combined with their own to become an impressive Japanese culture, and they never refuse to say that many of them are learned from Chinese! That is why Chinese people barely say Japanese elements are cultural appropriation! Japanese people are confident with their glory culture! Korean surely has its own impressive culture, please do some research of Korean’s own cultures and spread your own culture! Be confident Koreans and stop brainwashing people with so-called Korean culture when it is now your own! Cheers!
Let me give an example to western people why this culture appropriation matters so much to Chinese people. Korean people start to celebrate Christmas one day, western people are very happy that they are adapting western culture. And things starts to change, they call the fesival Korean Christmas, and even more they start to claim Jesus is from Korea😅😅(I am not making stories actually, Korean people have already start to claim Jesus is from Korea when they are having many Christians. But everyone knows how ridiculous this is)
@@clara-bj4gy Actually that is exactly what you Chinese people are saying on this channel. You claim unicorn is your culture, button is your culture, dragon is your culture, shoes are your culture, cloud is your culture, mountain is your culture. Please stop being ridiculous.
I feel like this is an issue that's way over the heads of most western kpop fans lol. Imagine for a moment the average person born and raised in China or Korean giving their take on an argument between Russia and Kazakhstan on cultural appropriation between them. It's OK to realize you don't have the knowledge and sit an argument out.
@@QwertyXenonexcept it’s actual Chinese people saying that IVE is rebranding Chinese culture as Korean and also backing it up with evidence. You should probably sit out.
for comments saying Korean Japanese and Chinese cultures are similar to a large extent, I have to say it is maye because you guys aren't east Asian ppl and can't distinguish the small discrepancies between these three different cultures but I believe in the ability of ppl from these three countries to recognize these differences
exactly,this is Chinese culture, for sure! we all know , except for those Koreans, even though chatgbt identified that this video is full of Chinese elements.
@@Kimberly_Sparkles I’m sure the same knot existed in China in earlier times. I live in the US and I see a lot of Roman columns in large buildings. The English has been using them in buildings for centuries. We still don’t call it a “English” column.
@@smalcal6365 does SIMILAR mean TAKE AWE COMPLETELY or CHANGE BUT WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT? plz know the facts before you make a judgment. you can go and search for the logo of China Unicom, one of the three major telecom operators in China, its shape is inspired by the Chinese knot, and headdresses in ive's music video are exactly the same, but China Unicom's logo is red, ive's headdress is white, Koreans call it the Korean knot!
Y’all are so funny. When it comes to calling out culture appropriation for other culture you’ll spam the comments with “no this is cultural appropriation” but when it comes to Chinese culture yall don’t gaf.
Cultural appropriation? Chinese dramas always show chinese students wearing the korean school uniform “gyobok” and korean traditional “hanbok”. Nobody in china actually wears a korean gyobok to school. Is that not cultural appropriation? Then chinese people say "korea copied china". 💁♂️ how delusional can you be?
@@loelds4817 First of all, NO ONE in china apart from the minority korean-chinese wears hanbok, we wear hanfu. Secondly, in the chinese dramas, it's more similar to the English uniform, not gyobok. You do realise that Europeans and Americans all have that type of clothing of shirt+skirt combination right? And we call it cultural appropriation because most of korean cultures are influenced by china, later you adapted and evolved it into your own culture, but in HEYA mv, it is clearly chinese culture, or in another word, the culture you've copied from china, not the ones you've evolved into.
It's funny, your school uniforms come from European modifications, not traditional Korean dress. How dare you say others copied you? Please stop saying that hanbok is Korean.
Because its not chinese. Do you look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁♂️ chinese have a double standard racist hatred towards koreans.
Others are vague and hard to argue, but dang, that string knot on Yujin’s hair… the pattern is exactly chinese string knot, changing the color from red to white doesn’t make it more korean…
this exactly!! the knot has also become part of Korean culture, but this shape and pattern is predominantly chinese. it's literally called the "China Knot" in chinese. i just wrote a huge paragraph about the knot only to scroll down and see your short concise comment LMAO
No one said its only korean. These knots have been used in Korean and japanese attire for centuries. Even the kimono uses chinese knots but whats with the double standard hate towards only korea? 💁♂️
@@loelds4817yet ive said the music video is to show Korean beauty? Is this really part of your beauty? Do you even know what it means? You can’t even provide any historical proof because you have none, that probably why you are replying to everyone about Chinese modern is influenced by Korean because you know that’s all you can talk about😅
@@loelds4817 i think the point they were trying to make is that they stressed really hard that it's traditional korean culture. the japanese didn't use the knot in a music video and consistently stress that it's japanese culture. honestly the knot is korean culture too, but maybe they should mention that it's a mix, or reduce the emphasis on it being korean culture. not trying to set double standards here
It's not the first time that Koreans have appropriated Chinese culture and claimed that it originated in Korea. Koreans, please respect your own country's history and culture and look at yourselves squarely, and don't always claim other people's things as your own, really shameless!
A lot of these aspects are literally just Chinese. Korean culture is similar to Chinese culture, but there’s still clear differences, and this MV is just completely appropriating Chinese culture and rebranding it as Korean. Honestly just infuriating.
The ancient Chinese influence on the rest of East Asia is similar to Rome’s influence on Europe. Look at how there’s so many similar vocabulary words from Chinese, Korean, and Japanese. But that doesn’t make Japanese ramen not Japanese because Chinese la-mein exists. Same for Korea. The artwork is Korean, but the two cultures have thousands of years of trade and other mutual exchanges. People might also be mixing up this incident with the tanghulu dessert issue (and yes that’s 100% Chinese but that story is international tourists thinking it’s Korean because they ate it in Korea and didn’t know better. Koreans aren’t claiming they invented tanghulu).
I would agree if the case was actually like how you described it but this isn't about people mixing it up. The concept artist said specifically it was only traditional Korean concepts. Countries historically can still be influenced by Chinese culture and not use it in their traditional culture, it would be wrong for you to claim that it is part of their traditional culture if there the influence was never used. Example: the pipes, knots, and clouds were NEVER been used in traditional Korean culture (no historical clothing or even imagery has ever depicted this) and even to modern day. The only time it has ever been seen as "Korean" is literally now, which would count as appropriation. IF the artist has given credit where the credit is due and said influence from both cultures or just said influence from historical asian cultures, that would be different, but they doubled down on Korean.
The Tanghulu example is a good example of why the Chinese are angry because the Koreans know that the Tanghulu is from China, but they don't speak up and choose a way to make people from other countries assume that the Tanghulu is from their country. They have transferred Chinese culture and Chinese things in this way many times. I know that many people don't care about the origin of the sugar gourd or the origin of the elements in the music video. But if the Chinese don't say it, South Korea will repeat the same trick to claim these elements as Korean, and over time everyone else will think they are Korean, too. You can't say that just because the Chinese are speaking up to protect their own things that they are doing too much.
Here's my thoughts as a Chinese and hardcore kpop stan who stays out of kpop drama. I understand where Chinese fans are coming from. It's true that there are a lot of cultural exchanges and that creates similarities. But the problem is that they're claiming something that was likely from China as their own. Like what you said about tanghulu, it was not invented by Koreans and they weren't claiming it, they just didn't speak up about it not being theirs. With this MV though, they didn't just not speak up, they claimed it was traditional Korean culture. What specifically bothered me was the knot accessory they wore on their heads that I immediately recognized as the traditional Chinese knot. I did some research and turns out it's part of the Korean tradition as well. It is most likely originated from China (since 481 BCE) though, as it appeared later in Korea (357 AD). There are a lot of shapes in knotting, but that specific shape and style is predominantly Chinese. In Chinese what we call this knot is literally translated into "China Knot." I think all kpop drama are quite silly, and I like to peacefully support my faves, but this one didn't sit quite right with me. Thanks for reading my long rant if you read up to here :) and sorry for taking up your time, I don't want drama - just wanted to talk a little as a Chinese kpop stan!
No Japanese claims Ramen is originally Japanese. Japanese call it Chuka-men or Chinese noodles, officially. Even though Chinese agree that Japanese ramen has evolved to a point that it is a different dish. Japan also has another national dish-Japanese-style curry. It is distinctly different from original Indian curry, but Japanese would still recognize curry to originate from India. That’s the difference between Japan & Korea.
Haha, I wish that was true :( but the concept artist(the artist that drew the anime like figures) went to China to study ink painting, and eventually on her twitter, she used to post credits relating back to China; but she eventually stopped; It's obvious where her inspiration came from
It's evident that you lacking knowledge of Korean traditional culture tend to take highly biased stances. Elements like 'norigae' and 'jeogori' in attire, as well as music video themes such as 'The Tiger Who Loved the Sun,' draw from ancient Korean folklore. Please, if you're uninformed, refrain from commenting.
Elements like 'norigae' and 'jeogori' in attire, as well as music video themes such as 'The Tiger Who Loved the Sun,' draw from ancient Korean folklore.
Can non Chinese people please shut up and stop saying the Chinese are “doing too much” like I don’t see you defending kpop idols when it comes to appropriating other cultures so why is it only ok when they steal Chinese culture?
Cultural appropriation? cdramas always show chinese students wearing the korean school uniform “gyobok” and korean traditional “hanbok”. But everyone knows Chinese students only must wear sport trainers as their uniform. Nobody in china actually wears a korean gyobok. whats even more funny is that I have seen chinese people say "korea copied china". 💁♂️ how delusional can you be?
@@loelds4817 help- don’t yk that international Chinese schools don’t wear sport trainers?? Btw, name me cdramas that wear gyoboks and hanboks- like girly pop, I’ve never seen any popular cdramas that does that-
Those cloud in the background called auspicious clouds (xiangyun 祥云), are the symbols of good fortune and happiness,[18] as well as a good omen of peace and the symbol of heavens.[17] Clouds designs have been used in artworks as early as the Eastern Zhou dynasty.[19] in the ancient times, auspicious clouds were of associated with deities and good fortune.[19]
I'm from Singapore and my roots are in China. I know a lot about East Asian culture. I know many people don't like CCP, and I also know many people like KPOP. But this does not mean that South Korea can arbitrarily occupy the culture of other countries. Please learn to respect history and facts
The true is I’ve seen many foreigners assumed that these kind of things and elements are from Korea but it’s not 😊just go to search history .Before China designed the Korean flag “Ba-Gua “ as a real good gift to send Korea but they changed it to bad meaning then as well as the mv Chinese bowknot they wear it and said that‘s Korea culture 😅
I wish ive could have actually show something of Korean style, coz everything I could recognize in the mv is Chinese, which made me wonder, WTH is Korean traditional culture
Did chinese people just discover that korea existed and was influenced by china since the ancient times? Literally china even enforced some of their culture and customs on koreans. These elements can even be found in japan including the chinese knots in kimonos. And now chinese want to claim sole ownership? Thats just crazy.
@@loelds4817 I mean, even though they influenced each other, there are still differences in the specific designs. Just like different artists from the same teacher can have a similar style, but they adapt their own and theres definitely differences between them even though they're similar, right? Haha I'm not from either country but upon digging more into this it seems like the Chinese people have their proof straight 😂
A minor change or just a color change DOES NOT mean those belong to Korean traditional culture. For example, suit has been used in China since around 1840,almost 200 years history, had so many different styles so far. But no one would say that’s Chinese or Korean Traditional clothes. Same way, Xiangyun pattern and other Chinese items in MV originally appeared in China about one to two THOUSANDS years ago and a bunch of evidence can prove it. Korea got those things 300 years ago from China, and not a single change or innovation on the pattern. Now Koreans are attempting to say all are koReAn transitional culture????? So ridiculous, definitely CULTURAL APPROPRIATION 👎👎👎
As a small company, Starship had to use cheap strategies like this to get ahead: By claiming Chinese culture as their own -> Chinese getting mad and say bad things about ive -> Korean fans support and spend more money.
South Korea has always been like this. Think carefully, what do they have that's their own? Although Japan also learns from Chinese culture, at least they have developed their own innovations. South Korea combines Western fried chicken and beer and claims it as their own specialty chicken with beer. Japan's sushi rolls with kimchi are considered Korean sushi, and the sugared beans used to decorate French macarons are called Korean macarons. Even their pride in variety shows and entertainment, in the early days, was largely copied from Japan.
Are you serious? Of all countries, china isn’t the one to criticize anyone for copying. Literally “made in china” = fake products globally. And just as an example here’s a Fun fact: chinese always wear the korean school uniform “gyobok” and korean traditional “hanbok” in chinese dramas, and then Chinese people say "korea copied china". 💁♂️ how delusional can you be?
@@loelds4817do you not know for the longest time, iPhones have always been produced in China? Because the labor fees in China is cheaper than other countries doesn’t mean it’s fake product globally. Damn you sound like a clown🤡🤡
@@loelds4817 I think you've misunderstood something. I'm not Chinese. When products are made in China, they are labeled 'Made in China,' but the fundamental difference is that it doesn't claim Chinese origin. This is the essential distinction. It seems you lack reading comprehension skills. For example, China might produce a hat in the style of Scotland, but China wouldn't claim that the Scottish style is a traditional Chinese style, as South Korea does.
This is not only stupid and ignorant, it's fucked up. You are aware that Japan was an imperialist nation who took control over Korean from 1910 to 1945? Japan at this time burned down many historical sites and cultural sites in Korea. They outlawed Korean money. They committed atrocities. They took "comfort women" to rape, had unit 751 where they did human experiments on Koreans and Chinese. They had a nation who was trying to brutally take their history, culture, and freedom. Koreans fought, won, and rebuilt their nation from nothing. And now we have fucking losers on youtube in 2024 claiming Koreans just "stole" from Japanese culture. That's stupid AND offensive. There is plenty of Korean culture. Even from that time under Japanese rule, like the famous lost film and song Arirang. Literally google korean culture. Hanok, Hanbok, their original language, jjigae, pansori, gat, buchaechum, etc. Don't stay ignorant. Google. Giving examples of adapted versions of food is stupid, all countries have that. It's like saying there's no unique American culture because pizza is famous there.
they're from the same ancestors and close geographically ofc there is a lot of overlap. even within asia a lot of culture overlaps, there's a lot of similarity in the arts etc.
Hmm the west (UK/US) uses a lot of Roman motifs in their large buildings. The English has been influenced but the Romans for 1000 years. We still call it “Roman” columns, not “English” columns. Even though we may have adjusted the length, width, or even added couple more lines or what not. When you have confidence in your culture, you are able to give credit.
Meanwhile Chinese culture gets so much influence from south korea: cdrama = kdrama cpop = kpop douyin makeup = kbeauty Douyin fashion =kstyle fashion hanfu = hanbok Chinese knots = maedeub Huawei = samsung Victory game = squid game Paocai = kimchi Now chinese even copy polite etiquettes from koreans such as bowing to say “nihao” and “xie xie”.
They are obviously cultural appropriation. They officially say that this is Korean culture, but it is obviously Chinese. Their behavior cannot be called tribute, okay?
There are Korean names for the knots (dengi), and embroidered shoes (kkot shin). When it comes to cloud and landscape, there are plenty of traditional Korean paintings that have those. So the Chinese claim is ridiculous as usual.
I mean, this style of painting & artistry indeed originated from china. Everything in their mv set & some if their headpiece are indeed home to chinese tradition & culture. The one thing that still has a "korean" style to it are the modernised hanbok's.
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
Korean tradition is a beautiful standard (Hanbok) for pure white clothes and women clothes to show their nipples (Westerners Record history photos). Ancient Korean traditional costumes are pure white (the Korean people have been known as the "White clothes ethnic 白衣民族-history record name" since ancient times), Korean women show their nipples to represent the beauty. All Women use their heads to move everything.This reflects the ancient Korean people and thoughts. Historically, Korean women's clothes show their nipples (about 11 years old. After they get married and have children), until they are old .(Westerners Record history photos).. Korean historical dramas are 95% fake. A large number of Chinese culture and Chinese historical elements are plagiarized directly. ------------------------ Real Korean traditional costumes (Hanbok) In ancient Korea name "朝鮮chaoxian" (one of ancient Chinese city), . "white-clothed ethnic 白衣民族" (Today Korean ancestors) wearing this fully chest exposed Korean dress (hanbok) is an "honor" for many Korean women - because she has a son! If the woman does not have a son or has daughters, she is not eligible to wear this kind of dew suit - only a korean woman who has a son is eligible to show her chest. So instead of feeling ashamed, these korean women in dew clothes have the feeling of "I'm proud of having a son! I want the world to know!" The meaning of. At that time, when there was no scientific contraceptive measures, the vast majority of Korean women would eventually give birth to a son, so the vast majority of Korean women could finally wear "proud" dew clothes. So this dew suit is the real traditional dress in Korea! Deliberately shirtless is a Korean tradition (hanbok), even in 2014. When the Pope visited South19 Korea, they also set up a "deliberately shirtless" statue to commemorate their tradition! ------------------------------ 1910. Japan has swallowed Korea. The Japanese believe that some of the low -level Korean traditional culture and primitive (women expose their nipples and transport things on their heads) are very primitive and backward. The Japanese banned Korean women from exposing the nipples (the traditional Korean costume. Hanbok). The Korean people strongly resisted. Koreans believe that this is a traditional culture of Korea. They insist on retention. In the Korean capital city. As long as the Japanese see those Korean women who show their nipples, they will give them penalties and slaps. After that, the Korean capital city gradually reduces Korean women's nipples. They cover the nipples with a piece of cloth. (But in the place where there are fewer Japanese soldiers. Korean women still maintain the traditional culture that exposes nipples). Until 1950, Westerners were still taking photos in Korea. A photo of Korean women showing nipples on the street (traditional Korean clothing). In 1970, this kind of Korean traditional culture disappeared completely. ** "white-clothed ethnic 白衣民族" in history = the ancestors of the Korean . ---------------------------- Anceint japan (before 13th century )= 東瀛 & 扶桑 & 倭 . (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record) Today japan = 日本 Anceint korea= 朝鮮 (and 高包麗. 百濟. 新羅. 王氏高麗. 李氏朝鮮) . (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record) Today korea = 韓國(南北) Anceint Nonth Vietnam= 交趾 . (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record) Today Vietnam = 越南 Anceint Okinawa= 琉球. (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record) Today Okinawa = 沖繩
Hey, this is a Chinese. After reading a lot of comments, I want to say something. I think many friends have ignored one thing. Chinese people don't mind the sharing and learning from culture, but South Korean netizens and even South Korean TV stations and professors claim that the culture in the mv is South Korean culture, which not only has no respect, but also has no relevant evidence. This is not a reference. I think it can be called plagiarism, which is also the fundamental reason why Chinese netizens are angry. We welcome cultural exchange and development, but resolutely reject cultural plagiarism and plagiarism! Recently, the company of ive will set the additional time of the concert in China on July 7. You may not know that this day is the Qiqi Lugou Bridge Incident. On this day of the year, Chinese people will try their best to avoid large-scale entertainment activities to remember history, but the company of ive provokes in this form. Even more infuriating, these behaviors are disgusting. Finally, thank you for the blogger's video❤️ Thank you for seeing everyone here❤️ Thank you for the blogger's video❤️（I may have sent it twice, but I'm not very proficient in using this software... Please understand.😢）
@@user-lq9ec5ni9q 안녕하세요.Ive에 일본인이 있구나. 그리고 중국인은 7월 7일에 콘서트를 열지 않을 것이다. 만약 정말 있다면 욕을 받을 것이다. 한 나라에서 고통스럽고 심각한 기념일에 콘서트를 하는 것은 절대 잘못된 것이다. 그리고 뮤직비디오 논란이 일어난 후, 왜 도발이 아닌가...
@@user-lq9ec5ni9q 안녕하세요. Ive에는 일본인이 있구나.. 중국인은 7월 7일에 콘서트를 하지 않을 것이다. 있어도 욕을 당할 것이다. 한 나라에서 심심하고 엄숙한 기념일에 콘서트를 하는 것은 절대 잘못된 것이다.. 그리고 mv 논란이 발생한 후 추가된 이 시간에 왜 도발이 아닌가... 나는 번역기를 사용하고 있습니다. 만약 오류가 있으면 이해해 주세요.
I think the cultures that are involved should be the ones deciphering and working it out… I see ppl who aren’t culturally educated responding and they’re getting roasted😭 especially on insta. I’m just happy it isn’t my culture(s) getting in the mix this time bc it’s usually controversial in Kpop
This illustrator has studied in China. Her previous works were tag "chinese panting" "chinese ink" but now she has changed the tag. They completely denied the facts.😅
Korean culture is some part influenced by Chinese culture but not all, recent years Korean brands a lot of things they learnt from China in one or two years and make it Korean. And blurred it to show ppl who don’t know about Asia. This is totally bully to most of us who don’t talk to the world.
@@ddhd6576just in the other comment section, there is a Korean keep replying people saying chinese drama are using Korean cloth, that’s why we said Korean claim hanfu to to Korean. You are very kind but it still happens.
@@ddhd6576 Is that right? I have seen too many Koreans call the clothes(without localized) bringing from China to Korea as hanbok, , and then accusing China of stealing. The Korean claimed that their ancestors has ever wear it, so Chinese clothing can also be called Hanbok. Just because Koreans wear it, Chinese clothing can be called Hanbok.
@@ddhd6576 Is that right? I have seen too many Koreans call the clothes(without localized) bringing from China to Korea as hanbok, , and then accusing China of stealing. The Korean claimed that their ancestors has ever wear it, so Chinese clothing can also be called Hanbok. Just because Koreans wear it, Chinese clothing can be called Hanbok.
Do chinese people look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots, japanese ramen, Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁♂️ chinese have a weird, double standard racist hatred towards koreans.
@@loelds4817 why are you bringing up Japanese knots? The music video is being advertised as featuring “traditional Korean culture”. And let me correct you because 中国结 was an absolute part of culture in China during the Tang and Song Dynasties. From there it spread to Japan, Korea as well as other parts of Asia. Korean knots, or “maedeup," I suppose, are a type of handicraft with a history dating back to the Three Kingdoms period, they’re influenced by Chinese knotting techniques. The knotting techniques in Korea have originated from China, but Korean knots have evolved into their own form of designs, colors, and incorporation of local characteristics. Customizing and adding different characteristic/designs doesn’t change the fact that it has been influenced by Chinese culture.
@@user-zu4ve4hq6m no one said koreans invented chinese knots. Im just telling you that koreans have also worn them for hundreds of years. You can even see them in old korean paintings. Im mentioning japan because Chinese knots have also been used in Japanese kimonos since the Edo period but you aint upset with that? Whats with the double standard?
@@loelds4817 lmao some random Korean in the other comment literally confronted me saying they invented Korean knot because they use different fabrics and colors…. Japanese knot has evolved into a total different style with its unique form and looks. But if you search up Korean knot they literally look exactly the same but with a more vibrant color and longer tassels. I think you’re the one having a double standard…..
@@user-zu4ve4hq6mWell thats actually Not true because Japanese knots and Korean knots look exactly the same. And I have no idea who said koreans invented Chinese knots, but even in korea they are called “maedeub” which means chinese knots.💁♂️
that is text book cultural appropriation, kinda crazy how people try to defend this. They took chinese cultural elements (which would nit be a problem on its own) and then specifically claimed its korean and marketed as a korean mv, that is literally just stealing
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
I am Korean. I was not familiar with this controversy, but looking at the history of the visual conceptor, I think I was influenced by China. However, there are a few things to say: 1. When Chinese clothing was popular during the Shilla Dynasty, such a fan-fan method spread to Korea as well. Of course, Chinese culture was the origin, but some Koreans may not know about it. 2. Ink-and-wash painting has long been loved in Korea and has been derived from "Korean painting" as well. It is like watercolor painting in the West. Again, culture is interchangeable, and China influenced neighboring countries as much as its location and history are old, so there are many cultures that are derived from it.
It is cultural appropriation. I am Chinese American and I saw so many Chineseknots in this video Like those knots is what we have everywhere …. On our door and I used to have some when I was in China Celebrating Korean culture ? Where is the Koreaness in the video ? I never see any Korean traditional clothing have those knots !do people ever pair those knots while wearing Hanbok ? Not necessarily, because the knots are not from Korea , they are Chinese Nothing wrong with using Chinese culture in Art, just admit it you use some of it as your inspiration . At least in NCT ‘s hero they admit inspiration from Bruce Lee while wearing Hanbok. Can the artist at least admit she had some inspiration from Chinese culture mix with Korean culture ? Nope , none . It is culture appropriation. And it is not okay
Thank you so much for clarifying these things. Many people support and like you, but they can't use TH-cam right now. I hope you will keep these shorts!!! Human should remember and respect their history and culture because we want our society to become better than before. Please ignore those rude and stupid people. They are merely stumbling blocks on your road to success!
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
I didn’t realise the MV had such a backstory until after it came out 😶🌫️ I commented saying “o wow this reminds me of Chinese productions” b/c of the clearly(?) Chinese elements and some of the set design. Idk if it means much that was an observance just an outsider I hav a lot of sympathy for Chinese fans. My own country has similar “but isn’t that all the same thing anyways 🤪” issues and it’s horrid b/c you never end up being represented correctly. Idk what Chinese ppl would say their reputation is, but my home’s traditional wear is recognised as a fictional costume first and a legitimate cultural symbol worth preservation and recognition second 🫠 ppl who think they’re on a moral high horse by acting like similar (but divergent) cultures should just b fine with “sharing” (stealing) in this way just don’t get it
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions. The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape. You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed. Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs. Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery. I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
@@user-es6ke4qm4p During the unified Silla and Goryeo dynasties between the 7th and 10th centuries AD, Korea had very close relations with China. At that time, Korea was a dependent state of China in the Tang and Song Dynasties. During the unified Silla and Goryeo dynasties between the 7th and 10th centuries AD, Korea had very close relations with China. At that time, Korea was a dependent state of China in the Tang and Song Dynasties. The Korean nation, living in the land of today's Korea and Korea, has had a blood relationship with the Chinese nation since the beginning of history. Since the end of the Shang Dynasty and the beginning of the Zhou Dynasty, Jizi East entered the dynasty to establish Korea, "the system of clothing, all through China." The story of Jizi's relocation to Korea is recorded in both the Book of Shangshu and the Book of Shiji and the Book of ZhouBenji, and the records in ancient Korean books are more detailed. After that, there was a Yan man Wei man Dai Ji ruled Korea. Later, another Han Dynasty set up Han four counties in Korea, and Korea was either under China's jurisdiction or vassal. Even in the relatively independent period, such as the Samguk and Goryeo periods, there were still many ties with China: Goguryeo, Baekje and Silla were closely connected with the Southern Dynasty, Sui and Tang Dynasties of China, especially Silla and Tang Dynasties, and were deeply influenced by Tang culture. During the Goryeo period, he formed a "good son-in-law" with Mengyuan. In the 25th year of Hongwu (1392), the pro-Ming general Li Chenggui dethroned the king and established the Li Dynasty. The Joseon Dynasty lasted 27 generations for 519 years. During the past six centuries, especially in the Ming Dynasty, the Ri Dynasty of Korea has always been faithful to the great rites and maintained close relations with China. Hanbok was formed during the Lee Dynasty of Korea, corresponding to the Ming Dynasty of China. The clothing of the Korean royal family was given by the son of the Emperor of the Ming Dynasty, known as the Ming Dynasty "giving clothes". In cultural exchanges, Hanbok learned and borrowed many characteristics of Ming Dynasty clothing. In other words, ancient Korea did not have its own clothing system, and it was improved according to the costumes of the Ming Dynasty, which formed the costumes in ancient Korean dramas that we saw later.
I think if people don't know much b“ those cultures just stop bias with idols always ，cause we don't even know much b right？I think if Korean stop always using thing's named KOREANS is better....cause I heard Korean actually got long histories taken away other's countries stuffs ,not only Chinese .also Japanese too
Btw they're not my bias and i hate some Korean cuz they're racist but it's wrong to hate or dragging these girls just because something that happened thousands years ago
Btw they're not my bias and i hate some Korean cuz they're racīst but it's wrong to hate or dragging these girls just because something that happened thousands years ago
In fact, South Korea has no history at all. So a lot of their culture is appropriated from other countries. Of course, the most common ones are from China.
As an ethnically Chinese person, it is pretty obvious to me that IVE is aiming for a traditional Korean inspired concept to gain favour in their best performing market. Wouldn’t Koreans know what is part of their own culture?
Exactly. Koreans know what has been used in their own culture for a long time and can differentiate between china. They’re not claiming they invented anything.
@@loelds4817yet they’re claiming that the video represents Korean culture by using Chinese elements?? Does that make any sense to you? No Koreans have used those elements in Korean history.
Basically why they say that they are stealing is because the country has "claimed" stuff that was their's when it was not and was originated in china with proof (basically did it dirty and did not give credit)its like content stealing but in international scale,I would like to believe it was fully traditional korean culture because it was obviously checked by the company but both were very similar elements so it can confuse a person who knows chinese culture
Do chinese people look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots, japanese ramen, Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁♂️ chinese have a weird, double standard racist hatred towards koreans.
@@diymimythere exist many unique korean cultural representations. the problem is that the video is overly presenting elements that are way too similar and absolutely descended from ancient china, while claiming they belong to Korea. Those elements are not widely popular in korea in reality for a reason, they know what’s going on.
@@xuyizhen00those elements are a fusion version of korean culture and that’s why it may seem different than the “typical’ korean culture since they mixed the traditional and modern clothing and aspects together. the real problems is that many chinese are overly reacting to this and criticizing the koreans as a whole.
Not sure how can the Chinese say it's 100% theirs? Its a known fact that Korea has been influenced by China for thousands of years, but to call this as completely Chinese culture is a big stretch.
The fundamental point of this controversy is not Chinese claiming 100% ownership of the cultural elements. Apparently most Chinese netizens Ive seen stated that they understood the cultural influence and development. The thing is Koreans do not accept that their culture is influenced by Chinese. It sounds like Americans saying they invented English (and indeed Korean language system was built upon Chinese). Japanese never backlash on it bcs they do proper citation. In this video there are way too many elements that you can see everywhere in China but never seen in South Korea. Yes the TH-camr said Starship wanted to showcase Korean culture that are not familiar to Koreans. Isn't it suspicious? Firstly Koreans are famous for loving spreading traditional cultures and some also argued that Korean culture is consistent (vs Chinese culture which experienced damage for decades), is it really possible that there are such massive elements appearing that they can't even name them properly? Second, the painter herself learned her Chinese painting skill in Beijing and she was already previously accused by plagiarizing Chinese ancient painting... She even presented this 90% plagiarized painting in her exhibition...
You need to understand why this argument is. We don't care that they use our culture. After all, it's normal for our vassal state for thousands of years to be affected by us. What we hate is that Koreans claim that culture originated from them. Talk about our culture as unique to them.
I think it’s because Japan has given credit that many of their culture stemmed from China. Chinese also recognized that Japanese culture has since evolved uniquely.
@@user-yg7fv7si2s has china recognized it was also inspired by korean and japanese and other cultures? I could make a dictionary of everything china has copied from south korea.
@@loelds4817 why would China give recognition to them as China is the origins of this creation?? Korean knots and Japanese knots are inspired by Chinese knots…. Do you even know what you’re saying?
Korean and Chinese culture art is pretty similar (imo) You also cannot just "steal" Chinese culture. It is pretty similar to Chinese culture, yes, but, as she said, the inspiration for the concept art and visuals is from a story about a tiger who fell in love with the sun. It's also supposed to be traditional and yet unfamiliar in its Koreanness. So maybe that's why it looks like it may be part of Chinese culture? I don't know.
@@gaweekin524they still have some similarities bc of the amount of chinese colonies that existed in korea throughout history. it's the same with a lot of countries, sharing a common history means sharing common artworks, tales, ways of speaking etc
@@gaweekin524eh not really, ofc they separated centuries ago. But a lot of words for things in Korean are the same from Chinese. And their culture is pretty similar in terms of hierarchy, and other random things like how Korea and China “don’t have” the fourth floor in buildings. Because 4 in Chinese sounds like death. There’s a lot of difference but a lot of similarities and the major differences are because of influences not from asia like Christianity and other things. But there are way more similarities in korean and Chinese culture than most other countries because of proximity. That’s just what happens when basically all of asia are branches of China since modern day China is where one of the first 5 civilizations to ever exist was. I mean Vietnam was colonized by the French and Dutch and their language is literally just romanized Chinese. They obviously have different cultures but most Asian countries have culture that have roots from China and there’s no point in denying it since a bunch of modern day countries are like that.
@@gaweekin524as a korean, kinda, but also not really. a lot of korean culture (forgive me if i am incorrect), was “borrowed” from china during the kingdom’s (goryeo’s) occupancy due the influence. but, yes, they are a little different, but when it comes to the art in HEYA!, it could *look* like chinese ideas, but in actuality, be korean. i think they’re korean 😅
@@gaweekin524 No, they're not totally different. They are similar in some ways. I'm not saying "Oh they're so similar, they're exactly the same", no not at all. But Chinese and Korean culture do resemble in a lot of different ways. Not just what you know about Chinese and Korean culture in general. If you dig a little deeper into both cultures, you'll see some similarities.
im chinese and i do think there are a lot of chinese elements that might be rebranded as korean, but i think during these times with hybe, le sserafim, min heejin and the japanese danworld cult… it is a good thing to emphasise korean culture.
I'm a Korean. Let me speak from a subjective standpoint. First of all, the first thing you need to know is that in Chinese character culture areas such as Korea, China, Japan, and Vietnam, the most similar ones are Korea and China. Because Chinese culture is so vast, it would be more accurate for Koreans, who have a relatively narrow range of culture, to distinguish between them. First, cigarettes don't seem to be a problem. It's called "Gombangdae" and we've seen it a lot for a long time. Second, the fan seems to be different from traditional Korean fans. It's like a Chinese fan. Third, these are clouds commonly seen in traditional Korean paintings. I can't determine its origin, but it probably originated in China. Fourth, the mountain picture is the same as the third. Fifth, that knot also exists in Korea and is called the “chrysanthemum knot.” Mostly women tied it around their hair or clothes. Sixth, the costume looks like a mix of Korean and Chinese traditional costumes. Based on the analysis above, it seems that Chinese fans would have been satisfied if they had used the term "Oriental style" instead of "Korean style." Although I am Korean, I analyzed it as fairly as possible.
Additionally, the plot is adapted from the Korean fairy tale “Sun, Moon”. The story goes that when a tiger tried to eat a brother and sister, God sent them up to the sky and turned them into the sun and moon. Many tigers lived in Korea, and Koreans revered them, but they were hunted to extinction by the Japanese during the Japanese colonial period.The first scene depicts “the days when tigers smoked,” which in Korean fairy tales refers to a very old past. You can think of “Heya” as “my sweet sun” in Korean.
Because it is also traditional to korea. Did chinese people just discover that korea existed and was influenced by china since the ancient times? Literally china even enforced some of their culture and customs on koreans. These elements can even be found in japan including the chinese knots in kimonos. And now chinese want to claim sole ownership? What do you think of this?
The main issue here really is branding the mv as homage to korean culture and heritage. There's so many similarities between the culture, I wish they would've chosen things that were distinctly korean instead of leaving so much room for overlap.
They are rooted in Chine no doubt many culture is an inspiration of country geography appearances apparently Korean they don’t have,and they were reclaim that zhangjiajie ,tanghulu ….are from Korea …I’m speechless bout they behavior they are not independence for thousands years ,Korean was belong to China that explained they aren’t able able to develop their own culture,you can see K-pop based on Pop
@@GG6790GG if there is anything that common in our culture it’s possible that they say it’s korean I will study and if I find this similarities It’s also give me positive vibes . Chinese and korean culture has same roots . It’s clearly so many similarities. Why they fight such a thing . Like I said Im Azerbaijani and I have same roots with Turkic people also has so much similarities with persian and arabs even Greeks , Armenians , Caucasians and … this is natural due to historical facts .
As an example, your mother makes you Turkish kebab, you invite your friend from another region to enjoy it, your friend says he has never tasted such a delicacy and is very keen to learn, then he approaches your mother and asks for the recipe, then ...... He opened his restaurant and said the recipe was his mother's own traditional dish and fictionalized pictures and made a big deal out of his traditional recipe as a selling point. That's why I said Korea is a thief, when you hear Korea say Gutab and Plov came from Korea you get it.
It’s just Chinese culture, the MV uses Chinese knots, auspicious clouds, ink art, Chinese style clothing, Chinese myths and many more. (More Chinese elements are used in the Mv than Korean ones) Many elements used in the MV only existed in China, NEVER in Korea. There are in fact many big differences between Chinese and Korean cultures, this MV blurred it all. When more and more people do that, it’s literally cultural appropriation. Because most of the elements in the MV, the Korean don’t have it . For example, the Karst Mountain Landform . It’s only Chinese culture! Secondary, Korean don’t admit that some of their culture were learned from China. After they learned, they blamed Chinese is the one who stole their culture. For example, a famous Chinese TH-camr Liziqi, made a video of making salty spicy vegetables. Then Korean blamed her and said she stole Korean Kimchi. But the truth is Chinese made spicy and salty vegetables since Qin Dynasty, it was from thousands years ago. At that time, ancient Korean dynasty wasn’t even exist. If you don’t believe this K-pop group stole Chinese culture, go to search their new interview video. When the host asked about the group members some cultural questions. They don’t even know the names of the art patterns that were used in the video! If it was Korean culture, how come this K-pop group members have no idea about the names of the patterns??? It’s their song rights???
You are SO STRECTHING girl! If they use your culture elements and claim it is Korean, and your study proves this point, you'll be annoyed too :) Just be fair, dont get biased just because you like IVE. THANK YOU!
I'm Chinese and idc LMAO the Weibo netizens are being dramatic. IVE and the creative directors are not mocking Chinese people or the culture so I don't see a problem.
No mocking, huh? Only if you could do a little research about what that smoking pipe means to Chinese. You didn’t put any effort in protecting your own traditional culture, not even close to the effort that these thieves put in stealing our precious
Thank you. 👍 고맙네요. 우린 2천년간 중국과 왕래를 했습니다. 중국의 좋은 점을 배웠고 좋은 물건을 서로 교환했습니다. 그렇게 한국 문화가 만들어졌는데, 비슷하지만 세세하게 다른 부분이 있습니다. 그렇게 천년간 사용한 물건들이 한국 전통이란 이름을 부정당하니, 황당하네요. 😢
We are so sensitive about this because one of the reason is that the scenery of mv is similar with a Chinese cartoon called “葫芦娃Calabash Brothers”. It is one of the most popular cartoon in China, and no one does not know it. I hope that Korean entertainment industry will stop plagiarisms. And I hope that there is a positive culture communication between Korea and China rather than plagirizing Chinese culture.
In the end, both Chinese and Japanese cultures are referred to as Korean culture, and many years later, South Korea will begin to claim its origin and refer to China and japan as a thief. It has happened many times.
Korea and China used to exchange cultures with each other. China was also influenced by Korean culture. Goryeo(Korea) clothes and customs were in vogue.
The music video is definitely inspired and picked from a few Korean old folktales . I grew up reading its picture books . My daughter, who was born overseas, remembers the tiger smoking scene from the book .
Having a few Koreans elements in the mv still doesn’t prove that they DIDNT use other cultural elements that do not belong to them and still claim it as theirs (eg dudou, golden sun bird, Chinese buttons etc)
@baburufireice835 no need to prove . No matter how you people try to bully us , we don't care . We Koreans enjoy our cultures . We don't steal watch Netflix , TH-cam or k dramas like you guys. Ask your government to compensate all over the world for Covid 19 spread rather than playing victims using Korean MV . Covid was terrible culture .
Why has Japan, which is friendly to South Korea, been accusing you of cultural appropriation? Simply search in Japanese and you can see countless videos
its just so funny how the theme is about tigers in love under the sun(idk) saying that its korean culture while the korean environment cant even host tigers lmao😅
Korea was once a part of the Chinese empire. It's obvious that there's going to be a lot of culture that are shared and is going to be integrated into its own culture. Even China's pop culture is heavily lifted from Korea and Japan. Also, colonizers don't really get to complain about their culture being stolen. China is the reason why half of Koreans are under the rule of a tyrant that keeps threatening the world with nukes.
What?? The Republic of Korea’s foreign ministry stated, “it is a fact recognised by the international community that Korea was not a part of China during the thousands of years of historical relations between the two.” So who’s the colonizer you’re speaking of? North Korea is ruled by a North Korean. Do you have the same attitude toward the United States when regimes it funds are violent against the world?
@@ruiqi22 That's just political talk. Korea was a tributary state of China, basically a part of China but was not occupied. China is the colonizer because they prevented Korea from being united as one country during the Korean war. They also pushed a crazy dictator into power. And yes I do have the same attitude against USA. I'm against the middle eastern occupations, mingling with Hong Kong affairs, what it did in PH, what it did in Central America and of course, it's long racist history in the USA. Do you really think I like what white people have done? They are the biggest colonizers. Two things can be true. Don't a fken idiot.
All of the elements used in the HEYA MV were not used in Korean history, so check your facts please. You seem to defend only Koreans meaning you’re biased. When it comes to China they’re bad and should not even be defended even though they are wronged, right?
I think Chinese culture influenced Korea a lot , so they're kinda mixed , also Rei is Japanese, so I'm talking Heya as Asia inspired , but they should give credits to China , love Ive , stream Heya❤❤
More than 500 years ago, China was the soft power powerhouse of Asia and actively spread its culture throughout the Asia. Now, 500 years later, they claim that Asia is copying and appropriating China's culture. NO.... Asian countries have been influenced, but they've developed their own characteristics. Buddhism spread from India to China. Would you agree if India claimed all Chinese culture derived from Buddhism as Indian? Today, Asia's soft power powerhouses are South Korea and Japan, and China is literally being influenced by Korean culture in most areas of culture, including CPOP, CDRAMA, fashion, cosmetics, hair, etc. Would the all Chinese agree that CPOP is just copycat of KPOP and has appropriated KPOP's culture? NO, Give it another 20 years and China will claim that CPOP and idol culture are uniquely Chinese.
At least we don't have the cheek to say kpop is Chinese...... Actually , your country doesn't have to wait 20 years, you are already stealing Chinese culture😅😅😅I'm ashamed of you.😅
Cultural appropriation can actually hurt. To unequivocally claim that the elements you adopted from another culture originate from your own culture is pretty bad. You can’t just assume it doesn’t hurt no one unless you’ve walked in their shoes.
@@user-zu4ve4hq6m no one ever said anything belonged to their culture but everyone calls it cultural appropriation anyway for example a white person wearing box braids. unless they have a sign saying "this hairstyle belongs to white people" it shouldn't be a problem right? if people actually claimed something to be from their culture when it's not it's just lying like whatever. y'all give "cultural appropriation" so much importance when it's literally nothing. "oppressed" people just like to gatekeep stuff to make themselves look like victims. that's all there is to it
@@usergodknowswhat yeah and I don’t know if you watched yujin’s interview saying their mv concept is based on traditional Korean style and culture. There is a video on TH-cam and you can search for it. Yes, They can definitely borrow our culture and cite the source instead of claiming it as theirs.
@@user-zu4ve4hq6m I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about cultural appropriation in general when you said that claiming a culture that isn't yours as yours is bad (which practically no one does). And the designer or whatever already said it was based on Korean culture. Just bc it's similar to yours doesn't mean it is. It's frickin Asia no shit it's gonna have similarities. You're Chinese right? Why are you acting like you know Korean culture better than they know it themselves?
@@usergodknowswhat bruh … are you being for real or you haven’t learned any history? The music video uses Chinese elements like Chinese knots, auspicious clouds, and karst landforms and there is accurate historical evidence online as China has a profound history of 5000 years… Isn’t it ridiculous that Koreans called this Korean style but they can’t even prove or find conditions for the formation of this so-called “Korean culture”? The elements they used in the music video are clearly from Chinese culture. Just like in the interview, they didn’t even know the meanings and historical significance of these elements, instead they called it “patterns”.
A few things China copied from south korea: cdrama = kdrama cpop = kpop douyin makeup = kbeauty Douyin fashion =kstyle fashion hanfu = hanbok Cdrama school uniforms = korean kyobok Huawei = samsung Victory game = squid game Paocai = kimchi Now chinese even copy polite etiquettes from koreans such as bowing to say “nihao” and “xie xie”.
I thought the animations (is that the right word?) were just Korean with the Chinese zodiac of the tiger. Plus it reminded me of Chill Kill with the animations and the Reve Festival with the carnival like background
lol after double checking, I found out that the artist who made the animations actually posted on ig that she’s been learning the traditional chinese drawing techniques, but now they’re all refusing to admit that the MV has anything to do with Chinese culture. That’s probably part of the reason why ppl r upset. I also saw ppl commenting that the background featured in the mv is called the Karst Landform (hope I didn’t misspell it) . It’s one of the prominent elements drawn in Chinese traditional paintings cuz it’s a major landform of theirs. But Korea apparently doesn’t have that kind of mountains. As for the cultural elements…u can just check out the other comments, I think they’ve pointed out many
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i am vietnamese. Just like korea, vietnam has differentiated ourselves from china even though we took an abundance of inspiration from china. But theres many differences in vietnamese culture, just like how korea has many differences in their culture from china. But in the MV, it was very obviously it was chinese culture but the creative director took it and painted it as 'koreaness'. No korean netizen even bothered to point out that korea was originally inspired by china. The only original korean parts are the story (tiger eats the sun i think?)
Thank you for saying this! I feel like non-Asians don’t realize that despite Asian cultures being ‘similar’ there are still massive differences between them. So they just dismiss cultural appropriation as “well you’re all kind of similar anyway.”
@@ruiqi22 definitely! Those delusional knets and the koreaboos are trying so hard to defend it even though I could tell it was chinese as soon as I watched the video! Whats worse is i barely know korean and chinese culture and i could tell the difference! 😔
You guys even don't know what Korean culture is.
Chinese artists, please refrain from imitating Korean celebrities. It's contradictory to mimic Korean stars while China restricts their entry. Additionally, Chinese businesses posing as Korean brands in Southeast Asia should cease operations. It's important to self-reflect and critique one's own country first.
@@user-ks4tv5ru3cdon't shame on Koreans 😅I can definitely tell you that theses elements in the video are Chinese culture as a Korean please stop trying to change the subject
WTF…totally Chinese aesthetics
WTF...totally ignorant and uneducated
IKRRR
nah fam it's korean
@@n.d3217Nein es sollte chinesische Kultur sein😅
If you knew anything about korean traditional culture, you would not say that. What an ignorant comment to make..
I just assume that every comeback ever is gonna be accused of copying everything at this stage. So tired of it.
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That’s K-pop for you lols
@@ramoozee1141yeah I really need to stay out of the comment sections haha.
Ikr
tbh there’s nothing new under the sun, theres bound to be overlap especially in the arts
People need to learn history. Of course there's a lot of similarities between the two countries, but now they're two separate cultures
It's a similar situstion with Indonesia and Malaysia
For real. So tired of people arguing about something that could be solved by cracking open a book or watching the History Channel every once in a while...
@@givarialiimran783 Well, most "Malays" are actually descended from Indonesia, sure there's some original cultures but those are like created in modern timeline rather than ancient/pre-modern
@@FakeOfficeMangersame thing with Korea - China before Joseon dynasti. Learn their culture.
for real; if they're 2 different cultures, they shouldn't try blurring the lines even just a bit! cuz then that gets dangerous; China is China. Korea is Korea!
Chinese people r open for other ethnic groups to use and appreciate Chinese culture, but admit that it's actually Chinese culture. Y'all def learned proper citations and plagiarism consequences in school and shld understand the seriousness of this issue.
You don't get to claim ownership due to influence. Cultures are not copied. They are adapted for local use. Go study some anthropology. You think Chinese culture is 100% original??? Why don't you cite the influences that China received? Why the hypocrisy? The cold, hard truth is that you are ultranationalists trying to co-opt the traditional culture of your neighbors. You want to ride the coattails of Kpop now that Korea is gaining attention from the world.
Who gives a shit lmao
That’s Chinese culture!
Your culture is COVID-19, human rights violations and cultural appropriation.
Yes. That is cultural appropriation.
@@vickylin3468 you chinese think you own everything traditional in East Asia. bunch of jokers lmao
hi, chinese here and im here to point out just what is going on instead of people saying “oh yall just overreacting, stop accusing people of copying”
the artist studied CHINESE paintings, with the old posts mentioning chinese ink painting and chinese painting, only to change their tune to say that “I STUDIED KOREAN TRADITIONAL ART FROM KOREAN UNIVERSITY” after they got commissioned by starship. there were also many notable pieces by the same artist that were plagiarised (eg. taking a traditional outfit design, altering it, and taking all the credit by EXHIBITING it.)
there was also this ink painting where there were tanghulus and earphones? in it which wouldnt be worse if they didnt claim it is korean culture.
the chinese knots styled on the girls is a disrespectful act as chinese knots signify peace and prosperity. not a hair accessory.
the fan rei holds in the MV is from chinese mythology, called 芭蕉扇, which is mentioned in an arc of journey to the west (西游记）
the stick-looking thing yujin holds in the mv is a tool used to smoke opium in china.
the elements in the set (from the clouds to the mountains) are all chinese inspired.
we wouldnt be this mad if they were just inspired, but they had to add that it was korean culture, so basically this anger was called for.
either way, the chinese fans are not blaming IVE, they are blaming starship. however they are currently boycotting the album just to remind starship of what they have done.
I think you are very confused. Those inventions are made ancient people not exactly the Han race.
@@inhim05 i think you are the one confused here. whatever the “koreans” did in china are part of chinese culture, it will only be korean culture when they flee to korea.
these ancient chinese elements existed before korea. therefore these are chinese, not korean, as korea did not exist back then. i hope i answered your question 😭
yes！
@@seruleanade 중국도 존재하지않았어😂
@@H.o.l.y_m.o.l.y7 atleast we can claim that culture as ours because its our ancestors and they’re living on the same land.
This illustrator has studied in China.Her previous works were tag“chinese panting”“chinese ink”but now she has changed the tag.They completely denied the facts.事実を完全に否認してね😂
Yes, this illustrator deleted her history of studying in China after IVE caused controversy
Chinese think they invented everything lol. "Chinese painting" is just an English term for East Asian painting. Spend more time worrying about the viruses you put into the world than on trying to claim other cultures
It's Asian ink, Asian painting. It's not just chinese only style
@@RocSaltAndPepperMint There seems to be a lot of CCP bots and troll farms on here working overtime. These people lack such a fundamental understanding of history and anthropology that they think everything similar is theirs. And this one is even pretending to be Japanese....lol
@@SI0T3 She didn't "study in China". You CCP bots are so low, spreading fake news lmao. "Chinese ink" is just the English term for traditional East Asian painting. These Chinese think they invented and own everything. The bots are out in full force. Go ahead. Your despicable plans will not succeed.
Don't go using Chinese motifs and Chinese knots just because it's pretty, and Koreans say: oh, it's so similar to us, just imagine it's from Korea. In fact you have not used such fans with patterns in your traditional festivals, but you think it's similar ..... . and used it. Koreans may not be able to see it, but each pattern means something different to Chinese people.
Those Chinese patterns are called Xiangyun, those Chinese knots are called Zhongguojie,usually red rope, and the use of white color means death and graveyard, please understand the meaning and respect the Chinese culture before using it, don't use it in kpop just because it's pretty.
Yeah tbh we don't know that meaning but still WE ARE LIKE 2000 KM AWAY BRITAN HAS INFLUENCE IN FUCKING AUSTRALIA ITS BASICALLY OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE FUCKING WORLD
Chinese people thank you for speaking out😊
谢谢
why Chinese knot turns white? And it was worn on the head? Don't Koreans have their own headdresses? copying is so ugly! It just like quoting without attribution, that's plagiarism. When I first saw that Mv , really angry!
还用都不会用😂
white chinese knots are worn to morn people's deaths...
中国结在中国享有非常重要的地位，尤其在过年期间可以说是随处可见，但他大多数时候是红色的（当然中国结有很多颜色，只不过中国人喜欢红色因为认为红色代表吉祥喜庆），但他们所采用的白色是相反的，是不吉利的啊
韩国人一群傻逼，白色的中国结代表死人呀，纯粹在诅咒Ive快点死，这不，被网暴了。活该
说的非常对
YES! This is cultural appropriation!
Ok
You need to be specific. Like what was your cultural items in the video? You can't just say the entire video is Chinese that is delusional.
@@etvow So many people have done the work already, while you seem not so patient to read or watch. Maybe you are not confident when seeing those proofs🤣🤣
Who exactly stole Chinese culture? The director OR KOREA itself?
@@etvow look for the vi/deo 'IVE's HEYA and the recent appropriation of Chinese culture' by 'aaa',, some aspects are explained there.
the moment the MV began, i knew that they were taking elements from chinese culture and i was living for the concept… until i found out that it was being rebranded as a unique interpretation of korea.
even though some of their outfits COULD be interpreted as hanbok (if you squint hard enough), it’s quite obvious that the overall aesthetic of the mv and their outfits were taken from chinese elements. individually, i think you COULD say that they were an interpretation of korean culture (if you squint hard enough), but the combination of the tassel, the pipe, and the clouds make it obvious what they’re actually referencing.
truthfully, when they released this mv, i genuinely thought that they were planning a chinese debut 😭
As a mixed east asian myself I have to say the MV uses a lot of elements that are clearly Chinese and not Korean, but the group has been advertising their comeback as promoting Korean culture. I say the Chinese fans have the right to be angry
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions.
The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape.
You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed.
Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs.
Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery.
I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
@@user-es6ke4qm4p everything you just said is originally chinese culture. good job making yourself more guilty
@@user-es6ke4qm4p Shanshui originated in china. It’s called Sansuiga in Japanese. It’s hard to argue origins when it comes to ancient fine art and cultures in Eastern Asia. It’s almost always Chinese in origin.
@@user-es6ke4qm4p the mountain paintings are Shan shui 山水, that's where the name comes from, China was painting them long before anyone else ever did, it first began to develop in the 5th century in the Liu Song dynasty
Now, to understand why people are upset: it's because Koreans claim that the culture originated from them. that's why people are upset. Some celebrities even claim that the Chinese word '汉字' originated from Korea. That's why people are becoming more sensitive nowadays and want to educate them properly. Additionally, some elements in the MV aren't even used in Korea at all( particularly the Chinese button designs,golden sun bird, dudou etc. )so claiming it as Korean culture is simply wrong. The artist of the MV actually went to Beijing beforehand to learn about the culture, such as how to draw Chinese landscape painting, etc. and also has a history of learning from others and claiming their work as her own. This is evident from her copying of the T-shaped painting on silk from the Xin Zhui tomb, adding a head to it, and now asserting it as original. This behavior is highly disrespectful to the Chinese. Applying them and claiming them to be yours after learning is just wrong.
China has a long history and if you do research and trace back, you’ll find China had big influence on Asian countries over the centuries. These elements are adopted from China. But I haven’t seen any Korean netizen admit that these elements come from China. That’s why people are pissed off.
Who said it originated from them?
@@loelds4817 the Hanzi? Netizens. And there's a guy named Kim, I forgot his full name, but I remember he said that on a TV show called '빅퀘스천' (Big Questions)
Koreans are already claiming Jesus is from Korea ngl. The Korean president gave the pope of Vatican a shoddy Madonna😅😅
literally nowhere do they claim it originated from them. Their korean wikipedia literally says that the origin is from china... im not sure what ccp propaganda you're being fed. Just because they said it's korean culture doesn't mean they meant it "originated" from korea. Unless you want them to give you a full history lesson from beginning to end everytime they introduce the mv haha😂
Ok, I think there're some sort of misconceptions going on here and the other comment sections. Chinese fans would've probably really enjoyed the mv and felt proud that their culture is being seen and appreciated by the international community. The problem is, no one has given any credits (not a single word)to the Chinese elements that were used in this mv (you can search up the details); instead, starship and ive just decided that they were gonna rebrand all of it as the "unique Korean beauty". BTW the fact that they decided to put the OPIUM pipe with xiang yun (which is the cloud y'all are referring to)is just nonsense and clearly demonstrates the lack of effort that the korean producers have put into the researching process, as these two elements should never go together. Like bruh...how could anyone exhale auspicious clouds from an opium pipe....
Holey shit I did not notice that. Opium also has a very significant place in Chinese history. As an ethnically Chinese person, it does seem ignorant of the way opium has devastated the Chinese people, and the entire event is spoken of shamefully in hindsight…
Thank you for explaining the situation!
i'm chinese and you said this so well! honestly we don't even care if the elements were used, and we KNOW that there are a lot of similarities. but if our culture was given at least a little credit, since some parts are unmistakably chinese, i think everyone would be less mad. and the opium pipe too...that was such a horrible time in china.. ik this mv is for kpop and about korean idols so our history is relatively irrelevant but like?? i don't think opium pipes were a good idea to include as an element in an influential group's mv in the first place
Not the opium pipe too.... the amount of people that died... uhhh
Because its not chinese. Do you look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁♂️ chinese have a double standard racist hatred towards koreans.
The Tanghulu example is a good example of why the Chinese are angry because the Koreans always know that the Tanghulu is from China, but they don't speak up and choose a way to make people from other countries assume that the Tanghulu is from their country. They have transferred Chinese culture and Chinese things in this way many times. I know that many people don't care about the origin of the Tanghulu or the origin of the elements in the music video. But if the Chinese don't say it, South Korea will repeat the same trick to claim these elements as Korean, and over time everyone else will think they are Korean, too. You can't say that just because the Chinese are speaking up to protect their own things that they are doing too much.
Yeah! IKR! So now that we're finally speaking up, we're being beaten down..
There's actually so much evidence about this topic on Ive's Heya, but all of it is on Chinese websites..
❤❤❤❤❤ur right
Wait there are Koreans that don't know tanghulu is from China? That's wild
뭔소리를 하는건지 탕후루 마라탕 전부 중국에서 온거 다 안다. 탕후루가 중국음식이라는걸 말하지 않는다고? 뒤지게 많이 언급하니까 짜증나게 하지마셈 그리고 뭐 음식을 먹을때마다 어느 나라 음식인걸 말하나 보통? 예를 들어 그냥 초밥 먹는다 하지 매번 일본 초밥 먹는다고 하냐고
중국인들은 한국사람들이 공자가 한국인인줄 안다는 등 이상한 주장을 하고 그걸 또 믿더라 꼭
@@Sellennaaanot true. Everyone in korea knows tanghulu is chinese. But sadly chinese people dont know that many things in china came from korea.
It is always said that the cultures of China and South Korea are very similar, so this MV is not a problem.I can see this statement in many disputes about Chinese and Korean cultures.
But what you need to pay attention to is Koreans often mix China's culture with theirs.
This is very cunning.They don't use 100% China culture, But sometimes they use Korean style things, and sometimes they use Chinese style things.This will confuse people and make them not know the truth.
They sometimes call this mixed style Oriental or Asian.Of course, they will still emphasize the Korean name more in it.There is nothing wrong with emphasizing Korea, but it always makes people think all the content is Korean style.
Exactly!
yes！！！！！！
好恶心的虚伪韩国人😅他们还会说中国人小气🤮
I am here to against Koreans’ cultural appropriation! Some Koreans nowadays are simply ‘copying’ Chinese culture without making many changes, and claim to be their own, later on they claim this culture is originated from Korean and tell everyone Chinese people are stealing their culture😅😅 This is totally cultural appropriation! A thief stole a stuff from a person and that person says that stuff is theirs and the thief starts to accuse that person a thief😅😅
Chinese people have never been mean when we are sharing Chinese culture, that is why we can see East Asian culture now! East Asian culture has similarity of course because it is originated from China and other country combined it with their own to become a more lovely culture. Japanese culture was also influenced by Chinese culture and combined with their own to become an impressive Japanese culture, and they never refuse to say that many of them are learned from Chinese! That is why Chinese people barely say Japanese elements are cultural appropriation!
Japanese people are confident with their glory culture! Korean surely has its own impressive culture, please do some research of Korean’s own cultures and spread your own culture! Be confident Koreans and stop brainwashing people with so-called Korean culture when it is now your own!
Cheers!
Let me give an example to western people why this culture appropriation matters so much to Chinese people. Korean people start to celebrate Christmas one day, western people are very happy that they are adapting western culture. And things starts to change, they call the fesival Korean Christmas, and even more they start to claim Jesus is from Korea😅😅(I am not making stories actually, Korean people have already start to claim Jesus is from Korea when they are having many Christians. But everyone knows how ridiculous this is)
@@clara-bj4gy YES
This is entirely Korean culture
@@etvow Yeah right, the whole universe is from Korea. Cheers!
@@clara-bj4gy Actually that is exactly what you Chinese people are saying on this channel. You claim unicorn is your culture, button is your culture, dragon is your culture, shoes are your culture, cloud is your culture, mountain is your culture. Please stop being ridiculous.
I feel like this is an issue that's way over the heads of most western kpop fans lol. Imagine for a moment the average person born and raised in China or Korean giving their take on an argument between Russia and Kazakhstan on cultural appropriation between them.
It's OK to realize you don't have the knowledge and sit an argument out.
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iT's cULtUrAl aPpRoPriATiOn
- non korean/chinese americans
@@QwertyXenonexcept it’s actual Chinese people saying that IVE is rebranding Chinese culture as Korean and also backing it up with evidence. You should probably sit out.
for comments saying Korean Japanese and Chinese cultures are similar to a large extent, I have to say it is maye because you guys aren't east Asian ppl and can't distinguish the small discrepancies between these three different cultures but I believe in the ability of ppl from these three countries to recognize these differences
I'm looking at a Korean source showing the exact knot in the video in traditional art. It's traditional craftwork and admittedly influenced by China.
exactly,this is Chinese culture, for sure! we all know , except for those Koreans, even though chatgbt identified that this video is full of Chinese elements.
SIMILAR, not the same. Those countries definitely do share *similarities* with one another.
@@Kimberly_Sparkles I’m sure the same knot existed in China in earlier times. I live in the US and I see a lot of Roman columns in large buildings. The English has been using them in buildings for centuries. We still don’t call it a “English” column.
@@smalcal6365 does SIMILAR mean TAKE AWE COMPLETELY or CHANGE BUT WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT? plz know the facts before you make a judgment. you can go and search for the logo of China Unicom, one of the three major telecom operators in China, its shape is inspired by the Chinese knot, and headdresses in ive's music video are exactly the same, but China Unicom's logo is red, ive's headdress is white, Koreans call it the Korean knot!
Y’all are so funny. When it comes to calling out culture appropriation for other culture you’ll spam the comments with “no this is cultural appropriation” but when it comes to Chinese culture yall don’t gaf.
That’s Anti China sentiment for ya
Cultural appropriation? Chinese dramas always show chinese students wearing the korean school uniform “gyobok” and korean traditional “hanbok”. Nobody in china actually wears a korean gyobok to school. Is that not cultural appropriation?
Then chinese people say "korea copied china". 💁♂️ how delusional can you be?
@@loelds4817no one wears hanbok expect Korean-Chinese.
@@loelds4817 First of all, NO ONE in china apart from the minority korean-chinese wears hanbok, we wear hanfu. Secondly, in the chinese dramas, it's more similar to the English uniform, not gyobok. You do realise that Europeans and Americans all have that type of clothing of shirt+skirt combination right? And we call it cultural appropriation because most of korean cultures are influenced by china, later you adapted and evolved it into your own culture, but in HEYA mv, it is clearly chinese culture, or in another word, the culture you've copied from china, not the ones you've evolved into.
It's funny, your school uniforms come from European modifications, not traditional Korean dress. How dare you say others copied you? Please stop saying that hanbok is Korean.
This video has a lot of Chinese cultural elements, very serious cultural appropriation
Because its not chinese. Do you look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁♂️ chinese have a double standard racist hatred towards koreans.
@@loelds4817it is chinese culture?? delulu
@@jianacore是中国文化
@@thinthin8024 对啊
Others are vague and hard to argue, but dang, that string knot on Yujin’s hair… the pattern is exactly chinese string knot, changing the color from red to white doesn’t make it more korean…
this exactly!! the knot has also become part of Korean culture, but this shape and pattern is predominantly chinese. it's literally called the "China Knot" in chinese. i just wrote a huge paragraph about the knot only to scroll down and see your short concise comment LMAO
@@xlorisyao ikr, i wrote so much to prove a point
No one said its only korean. These knots have been used in Korean and japanese attire for centuries. Even the kimono uses chinese knots but whats with the double standard hate towards only korea? 💁♂️
@@loelds4817yet ive said the music video is to show Korean beauty? Is this really part of your beauty? Do you even know what it means? You can’t even provide any historical proof because you have none, that probably why you are replying to everyone about Chinese modern is influenced by Korean because you know that’s all you can talk about😅
@@loelds4817 i think the point they were trying to make is that they stressed really hard that it's traditional korean culture. the japanese didn't use the knot in a music video and consistently stress that it's japanese culture. honestly the knot is korean culture too, but maybe they should mention that it's a mix, or reduce the emphasis on it being korean culture. not trying to set double standards here
it was stolen from Chinese traditional imagery. She doesn't want to admit it and made it worse by saying it's actually Korean when it's not at all.
This is Chinese culture, the art style is too obvious, please go and see the animation of the Shanghai Art Factory
It's not the first time that Koreans have appropriated Chinese culture and claimed that it originated in Korea. Koreans, please respect your own country's history and culture and look at yourselves squarely, and don't always claim other people's things as your own, really shameless!
How come you Chinese don’t respect other people? You always stealing technology overfishing not in your boundaries.
A lot of these aspects are literally just Chinese. Korean culture is similar to Chinese culture, but there’s still clear differences, and this MV is just completely appropriating Chinese culture and rebranding it as Korean. Honestly just infuriating.
The ancient Chinese influence on the rest of East Asia is similar to Rome’s influence on Europe. Look at how there’s so many similar vocabulary words from Chinese, Korean, and Japanese. But that doesn’t make Japanese ramen not Japanese because Chinese la-mein exists. Same for Korea. The artwork is Korean, but the two cultures have thousands of years of trade and other mutual exchanges. People might also be mixing up this incident with the tanghulu dessert issue (and yes that’s 100% Chinese but that story is international tourists thinking it’s Korean because they ate it in Korea and didn’t know better. Koreans aren’t claiming they invented tanghulu).
I would agree if the case was actually like how you described it but this isn't about people mixing it up. The concept artist said specifically it was only traditional Korean concepts. Countries historically can still be influenced by Chinese culture and not use it in their traditional culture, it would be wrong for you to claim that it is part of their traditional culture if there the influence was never used. Example: the pipes, knots, and clouds were NEVER been used in traditional Korean culture (no historical clothing or even imagery has ever depicted this) and even to modern day. The only time it has ever been seen as "Korean" is literally now, which would count as appropriation. IF the artist has given credit where the credit is due and said influence from both cultures or just said influence from historical asian cultures, that would be different, but they doubled down on Korean.
The Tanghulu example is a good example of why the Chinese are angry because the Koreans know that the Tanghulu is from China, but they don't speak up and choose a way to make people from other countries assume that the Tanghulu is from their country. They have transferred Chinese culture and Chinese things in this way many times. I know that many people don't care about the origin of the sugar gourd or the origin of the elements in the music video. But if the Chinese don't say it, South Korea will repeat the same trick to claim these elements as Korean, and over time everyone else will think they are Korean, too. You can't say that just because the Chinese are speaking up to protect their own things that they are doing too much.
Here's my thoughts as a Chinese and hardcore kpop stan who stays out of kpop drama. I understand where Chinese fans are coming from. It's true that there are a lot of cultural exchanges and that creates similarities. But the problem is that they're claiming something that was likely from China as their own. Like what you said about tanghulu, it was not invented by Koreans and they weren't claiming it, they just didn't speak up about it not being theirs. With this MV though, they didn't just not speak up, they claimed it was traditional Korean culture. What specifically bothered me was the knot accessory they wore on their heads that I immediately recognized as the traditional Chinese knot. I did some research and turns out it's part of the Korean tradition as well. It is most likely originated from China (since 481 BCE) though, as it appeared later in Korea (357 AD). There are a lot of shapes in knotting, but that specific shape and style is predominantly Chinese. In Chinese what we call this knot is literally translated into "China Knot." I think all kpop drama are quite silly, and I like to peacefully support my faves, but this one didn't sit quite right with me. Thanks for reading my long rant if you read up to here :) and sorry for taking up your time, I don't want drama - just wanted to talk a little as a Chinese kpop stan!
No Japanese claims Ramen is originally Japanese. Japanese call it Chuka-men or Chinese noodles, officially. Even though Chinese agree that Japanese ramen has evolved to a point that it is a different dish. Japan also has another national dish-Japanese-style curry. It is distinctly different from original Indian curry, but Japanese would still recognize curry to originate from India. That’s the difference between Japan & Korea.
Haha, I wish that was true :(
but the concept artist(the artist that drew the anime like figures) went to China to study ink painting, and eventually on her twitter, she used to post credits relating back to China; but she eventually stopped; It's obvious where her inspiration came from
你们难道不知道这个MV的插画师去北京学习后，说她学习的插画是韩国的吗？哈哈哈哈哈哈韩国人真的很好笑😂
It's evident that you lacking knowledge of Korean traditional culture tend to take highly biased stances. Elements like 'norigae' and 'jeogori' in attire, as well as music video themes such as 'The Tiger Who Loved the Sun,' draw from ancient Korean folklore. Please, if you're uninformed, refrain from commenting.
Elements like 'norigae' and 'jeogori' in attire, as well as music video themes such as 'The Tiger Who Loved the Sun,' draw from ancient Korean folklore.
@@user-cnksi223why don’t you talk about the elements. You only named 3 Korean elements. The other elements are Chinese, right?
I already mentioned about others In other comment section. Go check it
@@user-cnksi223 just a simple yes or no question. U refuse to answer. That’s ridiculous.
Honestly, any ppl can feel free to use the Chinese culture whenever they want, just don't claim it as their own.
but they claimed it as their own...
Can non Chinese people please shut up and stop saying the Chinese are “doing too much” like I don’t see you defending kpop idols when it comes to appropriating other cultures so why is it only ok when they steal Chinese culture?
Cultural appropriation? cdramas always show chinese students wearing the korean school uniform “gyobok” and korean traditional “hanbok”. But everyone knows Chinese students only must wear sport trainers as their uniform. Nobody in china actually wears a korean gyobok.
whats even more funny is that I have seen chinese people say "korea copied china". 💁♂️ how delusional can you be?
اگه کمک میکنه من چینی نیستم ولی در مورد تاریخ شرق دور مطالعه کردم. سعی کردم یکم شفاف سازی کنم. ❤
@@loelds4817 help- don’t yk that international Chinese schools don’t wear sport trainers?? Btw, name me cdramas that wear gyoboks and hanboks- like girly pop, I’ve never seen any popular cdramas that does that-
@@loelds4817not all Chinese students wear sports trainers💀💀
@@loelds4817bruh wtf ofc there are Chinese schools wear uniforms like that, you didn’t even go to school in china 😂stfu
Those cloud in the background called auspicious clouds (xiangyun 祥云), are the symbols of good fortune and happiness,[18] as well as a good omen of peace and the symbol of heavens.[17] Clouds designs have been used in artworks as early as the Eastern Zhou dynasty.[19] in the ancient times, auspicious clouds were of associated with deities and good fortune.[19]
구름장식은 동양권내에서 흔하게 쓰이고 있고 한국 역시 마찬가지입니다. 물론 문화적으로 영향을 받았을수는 있어요
@@user-eo6up5er82但是这不能叫做韩国文化
You can use Chinese culture in MV but you can’t say the Chinese culture is Korean culture
I'm from Singapore and my roots are in China. I know a lot about East Asian culture. I know many people don't like CCP, and I also know many people like KPOP. But this does not mean that South Korea can arbitrarily occupy the culture of other countries. Please learn to respect history and facts
作为一个西方人，既然你没有认真了解东亚文化和中国韩国的历史，就不应该说出“星船没有进行文化挪用”这样不负责任的话。中国人可以拿出史料来证明这是我们的文化遗产，而你只能靠想象并不能举证😡
The true is I’ve seen many foreigners assumed that these kind of things and elements are from Korea but it’s not 😊just go to search history .Before China designed the Korean flag “Ba-Gua “ as a real good gift to send Korea but they changed it to bad meaning then as well as the mv Chinese bowknot they wear it and said that‘s Korea culture 😅
People say Chinese are sensitive, but even in this comments section, Koreans are trying to say that Hanfu belongs to them! What's next? Kimono?
I wish ive could have actually show something of Korean style, coz everything I could recognize in the mv is Chinese, which made me wonder, WTH is Korean traditional culture
IKR
Did chinese people just discover that korea existed and was influenced by china since the ancient times? Literally china even enforced some of their culture and customs on koreans. These elements can even be found in japan including the chinese knots in kimonos. And now chinese want to claim sole ownership? Thats just crazy.
If you're wondering, google it. It's free for anyone.
@@loelds4817 I mean, even though they influenced each other, there are still differences in the specific designs. Just like different artists from the same teacher can have a similar style, but they adapt their own and theres definitely differences between them even though they're similar, right? Haha I'm not from either country but upon digging more into this it seems like the Chinese people have their proof straight 😂
korea basically has no culture tbh... its all stolen from other east asian countries
A minor change or just a color change DOES NOT mean those belong to Korean traditional culture. For example, suit has been used in China since around 1840,almost 200 years history, had so many different styles so far. But no one would say that’s Chinese or Korean Traditional clothes. Same way, Xiangyun pattern and other Chinese items in MV originally appeared in China about one to two THOUSANDS years ago and a bunch of evidence can prove it. Korea got those things 300 years ago from China, and not a single change or innovation on the pattern. Now Koreans are attempting to say all are koReAn transitional culture????? So ridiculous,
definitely CULTURAL APPROPRIATION 👎👎👎
As a small company, Starship had to use cheap strategies like this to get ahead: By claiming Chinese culture as their own -> Chinese getting mad and say bad things about ive -> Korean fans support and spend more money.
Let me mind my black business ☕😎
Exactly cause at least it’s not our culture this time 😭
@@alexandria470 Facts😭
Undeniably the most copied/appropriated culture in entertainment world. Most young kids don’t even know
@@is8249thats rich coming from china.
Shit this time is ours🥲🥲
South Korea has always been like this. Think carefully, what do they have that's their own? Although Japan also learns from Chinese culture, at least they have developed their own innovations. South Korea combines Western fried chicken and beer and claims it as their own specialty chicken with beer. Japan's sushi rolls with kimchi are considered Korean sushi, and the sugared beans used to decorate French macarons are called Korean macarons. Even their pride in variety shows and entertainment, in the early days, was largely copied from Japan.
Are you serious? Of all countries, china isn’t the one to criticize anyone for copying. Literally “made in china” = fake products globally.
And just as an example here’s a Fun fact: chinese always wear the korean school uniform “gyobok” and korean traditional “hanbok” in chinese dramas, and then Chinese people say "korea copied china". 💁♂️ how delusional can you be?
@@loelds4817do you not know for the longest time, iPhones have always been produced in China? Because the labor fees in China is cheaper than other countries doesn’t mean it’s fake product globally. Damn you sound like a clown🤡🤡
@@loelds4817 I think you've misunderstood something. I'm not Chinese. When products are made in China, they are labeled 'Made in China,' but the fundamental difference is that it doesn't claim Chinese origin. This is the essential distinction. It seems you lack reading comprehension skills. For example, China might produce a hat in the style of Scotland, but China wouldn't claim that the Scottish style is a traditional Chinese style, as South Korea does.
This is not only stupid and ignorant, it's fucked up. You are aware that Japan was an imperialist nation who took control over Korean from 1910 to 1945?
Japan at this time burned down many historical sites and cultural sites in Korea. They outlawed Korean money. They committed atrocities. They took "comfort women" to rape, had unit 751 where they did human experiments on Koreans and Chinese.
They had a nation who was trying to brutally take their history, culture, and freedom. Koreans fought, won, and rebuilt their nation from nothing. And now we have fucking losers on youtube in 2024 claiming Koreans just "stole" from Japanese culture. That's stupid AND offensive.
There is plenty of Korean culture. Even from that time under Japanese rule, like the famous lost film and song Arirang. Literally google korean culture. Hanok, Hanbok, their original language, jjigae, pansori, gat, buchaechum, etc. Don't stay ignorant. Google.
Giving examples of adapted versions of food is stupid, all countries have that. It's like saying there's no unique American culture because pizza is famous there.
@@loelds4817那对不起了，如果你在中国的影视作品里看见了你所谓的韩服，，但是你别忘了，中国还有一个民族叫朝鲜族😊
they're from the same ancestors and close geographically ofc there is a lot of overlap. even within asia a lot of culture overlaps, there's a lot of similarity in the arts etc.
其实韩国在古代是我们的一个附属国，就像父亲与儿子
@@user-mr8wj9kq9zthat explains why your cultures are similar. 😮
Hmm the west (UK/US) uses a lot of Roman motifs in their large buildings. The English has been influenced but the Romans for 1000 years. We still call it “Roman” columns, not “English” columns. Even though we may have adjusted the length, width, or even added couple more lines or what not. When you have confidence in your culture, you are able to give credit.
Meanwhile Chinese culture gets so much influence from south korea:
cdrama = kdrama
cpop = kpop
douyin makeup = kbeauty
Douyin fashion =kstyle fashion
hanfu = hanbok
Chinese knots = maedeub
Huawei = samsung
Victory game = squid game
Paocai = kimchi
Now chinese even copy polite etiquettes from koreans such as bowing to say “nihao” and “xie xie”.
같은 조상이라고 하기엔 한국인은 만주족 일본인과 유전적으로 가장 가깝고 중국의 한족과는 차이가 납니다
中華の要素が使われてて驚いた！吉兆の雲の模様に中国結び、刺繡の靴に山水画まで、中国の伝統文化の美しさが存分に伝わるMVだね！
They are obviously cultural appropriation. They officially say that this is Korean culture, but it is obviously Chinese. Their behavior cannot be called tribute, okay?
지롤한다 ㅋㅋㅋ 질투나면 지는 거다 . 그냥 샘난다고 해
@@JosephbowryJealousy dominates some peoole . Why can't Chinese and Japanese make those masterpiece
There are Korean names for the knots (dengi), and embroidered shoes (kkot shin). When it comes to cloud and landscape, there are plenty of traditional Korean paintings that have those. So the Chinese claim is ridiculous as usual.
@etvow That is so true . I am a middle-aged Austtalian Korean , I used to wear them in my childhood when I grew up in Korea .
I mean, this style of painting & artistry indeed originated from china. Everything in their mv set & some if their headpiece are indeed home to chinese tradition & culture. The one thing that still has a "korean" style to it are the modernised hanbok's.
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions.
The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape.
You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed.
Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs.
Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery.
I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
Korean tradition is a beautiful standard (Hanbok) for pure white clothes and women clothes to show their nipples (Westerners Record history photos). Ancient Korean traditional costumes are pure white (the Korean people have been known as the "White clothes ethnic 白衣民族-history record name" since ancient times), Korean women show their nipples to represent the beauty. All Women use their heads to move everything.This reflects the ancient Korean people and thoughts.
Historically, Korean women's clothes show their nipples (about 11 years old. After they get married and have children), until they are old .(Westerners Record history photos)..
Korean historical dramas are 95% fake. A large number of Chinese culture and Chinese historical elements are plagiarized directly.
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Real Korean traditional costumes (Hanbok)
In ancient Korea name "朝鮮chaoxian" (one of ancient Chinese city), . "white-clothed ethnic 白衣民族" (Today Korean ancestors) wearing this fully chest exposed Korean dress (hanbok) is an "honor" for many Korean women - because she has a son! If the woman does not have a son or has daughters, she is not eligible to wear this kind of dew suit - only a korean woman who has a son is eligible to show her chest. So instead of feeling ashamed, these korean women in dew clothes have the feeling of "I'm proud of having a son! I want the world to know!" The meaning of. At that time, when there was no scientific contraceptive measures, the vast majority of Korean women would eventually give birth to a son, so the vast majority of Korean women could finally wear "proud" dew clothes. So this dew suit is the real traditional dress in Korea!
Deliberately shirtless is a Korean tradition (hanbok), even in 2014. When the Pope visited South19 Korea, they also set up a "deliberately shirtless" statue to commemorate their tradition!
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1910. Japan has swallowed Korea. The Japanese believe that some of the low -level Korean traditional culture and primitive (women expose their nipples and transport things on their heads) are very primitive and backward. The Japanese banned Korean women from exposing the nipples (the traditional Korean costume. Hanbok).
The Korean people strongly resisted. Koreans believe that this is a traditional culture of Korea. They insist on retention.
In the Korean capital city. As long as the Japanese see those Korean women who show their nipples, they will give them penalties and slaps. After that, the Korean capital city gradually reduces Korean women's nipples. They cover the nipples with a piece of cloth.
(But in the place where there are fewer Japanese soldiers. Korean women still maintain the traditional culture that exposes nipples).
Until 1950, Westerners were still taking photos in Korea. A photo of Korean women showing nipples on the street (traditional Korean clothing). In 1970, this kind of Korean traditional culture disappeared completely.
** "white-clothed ethnic 白衣民族" in history = the ancestors of the Korean .
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Anceint japan (before 13th century )= 東瀛 & 扶桑 & 倭 . (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record)
Today japan = 日本
Anceint korea= 朝鮮 (and 高包麗. 百濟. 新羅. 王氏高麗. 李氏朝鮮) . (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record)
Today korea = 韓國(南北)
Anceint Nonth Vietnam= 交趾 . (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record)
Today Vietnam = 越南
Anceint Okinawa= 琉球. (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record)
Today Okinawa = 沖繩
Hey, this is a Chinese. After reading a lot of comments, I want to say something. I think many friends have ignored one thing. Chinese people don't mind the sharing and learning from culture, but South Korean netizens and even South Korean TV stations and professors claim that the culture in the mv is South Korean culture, which not only has no respect, but also has no relevant evidence. This is not a reference. I think it can be called plagiarism, which is also the fundamental reason why Chinese netizens are angry. We welcome cultural exchange and development, but resolutely reject cultural plagiarism and plagiarism! Recently, the company of ive will set the additional time of the concert in China on July 7. You may not know that this day is the Qiqi Lugou Bridge Incident. On this day of the year, Chinese people will try their best to avoid large-scale entertainment activities to remember history, but the company of ive provokes in this form. Even more infuriating, these behaviors are disgusting. Finally, thank you for the blogger's video❤️ Thank you for seeing everyone here❤️ Thank you for the blogger's video❤️（I may have sent it twice, but I'm not very proficient in using this software... Please understand.😢）
I'm using a translator, and there may be some problems. Thank you for your understanding.😊
7월7일은 한국사람들한테 아무 의미도 없습니다. 그러한 요구는 가해자인 일본한테 하세요.;;심지어 중국가수들도 7월 7일에 콘서트를 합니다.
@@user-lq9ec5ni9q ive里有日本人啊，而且中国的确会在七月七日尽量避免大型娱乐活动，在那天开演唱会是会被骂的，在一个国家沉痛严肃的纪念日来开演唱会绝对是错误的……
@@user-lq9ec5ni9q 안녕하세요.Ive에 일본인이 있구나. 그리고 중국인은 7월 7일에 콘서트를 열지 않을 것이다. 만약 정말 있다면 욕을 받을 것이다. 한 나라에서 고통스럽고 심각한 기념일에 콘서트를 하는 것은 절대 잘못된 것이다. 그리고 뮤직비디오 논란이 일어난 후, 왜 도발이 아닌가...
@@user-lq9ec5ni9q 안녕하세요. Ive에는 일본인이 있구나.. 중국인은 7월 7일에 콘서트를 하지 않을 것이다. 있어도 욕을 당할 것이다. 한 나라에서 심심하고 엄숙한 기념일에 콘서트를 하는 것은 절대 잘못된 것이다.. 그리고 mv 논란이 발생한 후 추가된 이 시간에 왜 도발이 아닌가... 나는 번역기를 사용하고 있습니다. 만약 오류가 있으면 이해해 주세요.
I think the cultures that are involved should be the ones deciphering and working it out… I see ppl who aren’t culturally educated responding and they’re getting roasted😭 especially on insta. I’m just happy it isn’t my culture(s) getting in the mix this time bc it’s usually controversial in Kpop
This illustrator has studied in China. Her previous works were tag "chinese panting" "chinese ink" but now she has changed the tag. They completely denied the facts.😅
Korean culture is some part influenced by Chinese culture but not all, recent years Korean brands a lot of things they learnt from China in one or two years and make it Korean. And blurred it to show ppl who don’t know about Asia. This is totally bully to most of us who don’t talk to the world.
Chinese Hanfu, Japanese kimono, American hip-hop, and rap are all referred to as Korean culture.
South Korea will say "affected", "just similar"
@@adaada4523누가 한푸 기모노 힙합 랩을 한국 문화라고 해요? 그런 한국인 단 한명도 없습니다. 가상의 적을 만들지 마세요 좀
@@ddhd6576just in the other comment section, there is a Korean keep replying people saying chinese drama are using Korean cloth, that’s why we said Korean claim hanfu to to Korean. You are very kind but it still happens.
@@ddhd6576 Is that right? I have seen too many Koreans call the clothes(without localized) bringing from China to Korea as hanbok, , and then accusing China of stealing.
The Korean claimed that their ancestors has ever wear it, so Chinese clothing can also be called Hanbok.
Just because Koreans wear it, Chinese clothing can be called Hanbok.
@@ddhd6576 Is that right? I have seen too many Koreans call the clothes(without localized) bringing from China to Korea as hanbok, , and then accusing China of stealing.
The Korean claimed that their ancestors has ever wear it, so Chinese clothing can also be called Hanbok.
Just because Koreans wear it, Chinese clothing can be called Hanbok.
They wore the Chinese knots in their hair and dyed it white bro
Do chinese people look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots, japanese ramen, Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁♂️ chinese have a weird, double standard racist hatred towards koreans.
@@loelds4817 why are you bringing up Japanese knots? The music video is being advertised as featuring “traditional Korean culture”. And let me correct you because 中国结 was an absolute part of culture in China
during the Tang and Song Dynasties. From there it spread to Japan, Korea as well as other parts of Asia. Korean knots, or “maedeup," I suppose, are a type of handicraft with a history dating back to the Three Kingdoms period, they’re influenced by Chinese knotting techniques. The knotting techniques in Korea have originated from China, but Korean knots have evolved into their own form of designs, colors, and incorporation of local characteristics. Customizing and adding different characteristic/designs doesn’t change the fact that it has been influenced by Chinese culture.
@@user-zu4ve4hq6m no one said koreans invented chinese knots. Im just telling you that koreans have also worn them for hundreds of years. You can even see them in old korean paintings. Im mentioning japan because Chinese knots have also been used in Japanese kimonos since the Edo period but you aint upset with that? Whats with the double standard?
@@loelds4817 lmao some random Korean in the other comment literally confronted me saying they invented Korean knot because they use different fabrics and colors…. Japanese knot has evolved into a total different style with its unique form and looks. But if you search up Korean knot they literally look exactly the same but with a more vibrant color and longer tassels. I think you’re the one having a double standard…..
@@user-zu4ve4hq6mWell thats actually Not true because Japanese knots and Korean knots look exactly the same. And I have no idea who said koreans invented Chinese knots, but even in korea they are called “maedeub” which means chinese knots.💁♂️
Korea culture is cultural appropriation of Chinese culture plus kpop ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
The person that draw the mv even went to China to learn how to draw lol thats so funy
that is text book cultural appropriation, kinda crazy how people try to defend this. They took chinese cultural elements (which would nit be a problem on its own) and then specifically claimed its korean and marketed as a korean mv, that is literally just stealing
If it’s inspired by Chinese culture, they need to tag it as so. But did they? Will they? If not, it’s stealing. Period.
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions.
The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape.
You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed.
Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs.
Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery.
I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
I am Korean. I was not familiar with this controversy, but looking at the history of the visual conceptor, I think I was influenced by China. However, there are a few things to say: 1. When Chinese clothing was popular during the Shilla Dynasty, such a fan-fan method spread to Korea as well. Of course, Chinese culture was the origin, but some Koreans may not know about it. 2. Ink-and-wash painting has long been loved in Korea and has been derived from "Korean painting" as well. It is like watercolor painting in the West. Again, culture is interchangeable, and China influenced neighboring countries as much as its location and history are old, so there are many cultures that are derived from it.
It is cultural appropriation.
I am Chinese American and I saw so many Chineseknots in this video
Like those knots is what we have everywhere …. On our door and I used to have some when I was in China
Celebrating Korean culture ? Where is the Koreaness in the video ? I never see any Korean traditional clothing have those knots !do people ever pair those knots while wearing Hanbok ? Not necessarily, because the knots are not from Korea , they are Chinese
Nothing wrong with using Chinese culture in Art, just admit it you use some of it as your inspiration . At least in NCT ‘s hero they admit inspiration from Bruce Lee while wearing Hanbok. Can the artist at least admit she had some inspiration from Chinese culture mix with Korean culture ?
Nope , none . It is culture appropriation. And it is not okay
Thank you so much for clarifying these things. Many people support and like you, but they can't use TH-cam right now. I hope you will keep these shorts!!! Human should remember and respect their history and culture because we want our society to become better than before. Please ignore those rude and stupid people. They are merely stumbling blocks on your road to success!
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions.
The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape.
You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed.
Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs.
Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery.
I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
I didn’t realise the MV had such a backstory until after it came out 😶🌫️ I commented saying “o wow this reminds me of Chinese productions” b/c of the clearly(?) Chinese elements and some of the set design. Idk if it means much that was an observance just an outsider
I hav a lot of sympathy for Chinese fans. My own country has similar “but isn’t that all the same thing anyways 🤪” issues and it’s horrid b/c you never end up being represented correctly. Idk what Chinese ppl would say their reputation is, but my home’s traditional wear is recognised as a fictional costume first and a legitimate cultural symbol worth preservation and recognition second 🫠 ppl who think they’re on a moral high horse by acting like similar (but divergent) cultures should just b fine with “sharing” (stealing) in this way just don’t get it
As a Korean i want to take this clear, it ive heya includes A LOT of Korean traditions.
The stage costumes reminiscent of hanbok, as well as props like norigae, daenggi, and flower shoes, are worn to represent the Korean style. The norigae has a knot (members wearing on their hair) which slightly differs from China, our knots are known to be tigher and more in a three dimensional shape.
You can see traditional Korean folk games such as Ganggangsullae and Tuho being performed.
Tigers are famous in Korea as the guardians of the mountain deities or as protective spirits of directions, representing aspects of mountain worship and geomancy beliefs.
Furthermore, the mountains depicted in the background resemble the traditional Korean landscape paintings known as "sansuhwa." These paintings often depict high mountains with clouds, reflecting the beauty of Korea's natural scenery.
I acknowledge culture are influenced and developed from each other, but I really wanted to tell everyone we are NOT stealing China's culture. It is Korean culture that we have developed throughout! I hope my comment helps! 🥰
@@user-es6ke4qm4p During the unified Silla and Goryeo dynasties between the 7th and 10th centuries AD, Korea had very close relations with China. At that time, Korea was a dependent state of China in the Tang and Song Dynasties. During the unified Silla and Goryeo dynasties between the 7th and 10th centuries AD, Korea had very close relations with China. At that time, Korea was a dependent state of China in the Tang and Song Dynasties. The Korean nation, living in the land of today's Korea and Korea, has had a blood relationship with the Chinese nation since the beginning of history. Since the end of the Shang Dynasty and the beginning of the Zhou Dynasty, Jizi East entered the dynasty to establish Korea, "the system of clothing, all through China." The story of Jizi's relocation to Korea is recorded in both the Book of Shangshu and the Book of Shiji and the Book of ZhouBenji, and the records in ancient Korean books are more detailed. After that, there was a Yan man Wei man Dai Ji ruled Korea. Later, another Han Dynasty set up Han four counties in Korea, and Korea was either under China's jurisdiction or vassal. Even in the relatively independent period, such as the Samguk and Goryeo periods, there were still many ties with China: Goguryeo, Baekje and Silla were closely connected with the Southern Dynasty, Sui and Tang Dynasties of China, especially Silla and Tang Dynasties, and were deeply influenced by Tang culture. During the Goryeo period, he formed a "good son-in-law" with Mengyuan. In the 25th year of Hongwu (1392), the pro-Ming general Li Chenggui dethroned the king and established the Li Dynasty.
The Joseon Dynasty lasted 27 generations for 519 years. During the past six centuries, especially in the Ming Dynasty, the Ri Dynasty of Korea has always been faithful to the great rites and maintained close relations with China.
Hanbok was formed during the Lee Dynasty of Korea, corresponding to the Ming Dynasty of China. The clothing of the Korean royal family was given by the son of the Emperor of the Ming Dynasty, known as the Ming Dynasty "giving clothes". In cultural exchanges, Hanbok learned and borrowed many characteristics of Ming Dynasty clothing. In other words, ancient Korea did not have its own clothing system, and it was improved according to the costumes of the Ming Dynasty, which formed the costumes in ancient Korean dramas that we saw later.
I think if people don't know much b“ those cultures just stop bias with idols always ，cause we don't even know much b right？I think if Korean stop always using thing's named KOREANS is better....cause I heard Korean actually got long histories taken away other's countries stuffs ,not only Chinese .also Japanese too
Btw they're not my bias and i hate some Korean cuz they're racist but it's wrong to hate or dragging these girls just because something that happened thousands years ago
Yeah there culture is influence a lot on Chinese culture
Btw they're not my bias and i hate some Korean cuz they're racīst but it's wrong to hate or dragging these girls just because something that happened thousands years ago
In fact, South Korea has no history at all. So a lot of their culture is appropriated from other countries. Of course, the most common ones are from China.
As an ethnically Chinese person, it is pretty obvious to me that IVE is aiming for a traditional Korean inspired concept to gain favour in their best performing market. Wouldn’t Koreans know what is part of their own culture?
Exactly. Koreans know what has been used in their own culture for a long time and can differentiate between china. They’re not claiming they invented anything.
Are you Fr an ethically Chinese person, you need to learn your own history better.
@@xmxmkokobop8679actually. i took one look at the mv and saw how similar it is to chinese culture
@@loelds4817yet they’re claiming that the video represents Korean culture by using Chinese elements?? Does that make any sense to you? No Koreans have used those elements in Korean history.
Basically why they say that they are stealing is because the country has "claimed" stuff that was their's when it was not and was originated in china with proof (basically did it dirty and did not give credit)its like content stealing but in international scale,I would like to believe it was fully traditional korean culture because it was obviously checked by the company but both were very similar elements so it can confuse a person who knows chinese culture
Do chinese people look at japanese kimonos, japanese knots, japanese ramen, Japanese kanji and react the same way? 💁♂️ chinese have a weird, double standard racist hatred towards koreans.
@@loelds4817ppl like you seem to hate the chinese
Netizens are so annoying
obviously Chinese culture😂
it is not a lie that the elements on the video are a part of the chinese culture. but chinese people don't understand they are also korea's culture.
But mostly Korean cultures is adaptation version of Chinese cultures 😂
@@meteuteu but when we take a look at the history and geography it's not that unexpected, that's doesn't make the culture less korean
@@diymimythere exist many unique korean cultural representations. the problem is that the video is overly presenting elements that are way too similar and absolutely descended from ancient china, while claiming they belong to Korea. Those elements are not widely popular in korea in reality for a reason, they know what’s going on.
@@xuyizhen00those elements are a fusion version of korean culture and that’s why it may seem different than the “typical’ korean culture since they mixed the traditional and modern clothing and aspects together. the real problems is that many chinese are overly reacting to this and criticizing the koreans as a whole.
But why would Koreans say on the mv intro that this mv incorporates Korean cultures when in fact those cultures come from China.
Not sure how can the Chinese say it's 100% theirs? Its a known fact that Korea has been influenced by China for thousands of years, but to call this as completely Chinese culture is a big stretch.
The fundamental point of this controversy is not Chinese claiming 100% ownership of the cultural elements. Apparently most Chinese netizens Ive seen stated that they understood the cultural influence and development. The thing is Koreans do not accept that their culture is influenced by Chinese. It sounds like Americans saying they invented English (and indeed Korean language system was built upon Chinese). Japanese never backlash on it bcs they do proper citation. In this video there are way too many elements that you can see everywhere in China but never seen in South Korea. Yes the TH-camr said Starship wanted to showcase Korean culture that are not familiar to Koreans. Isn't it suspicious? Firstly Koreans are famous for loving spreading traditional cultures and some also argued that Korean culture is consistent (vs Chinese culture which experienced damage for decades), is it really possible that there are such massive elements appearing that they can't even name them properly? Second, the painter herself learned her Chinese painting skill in Beijing and she was already previously accused by plagiarizing Chinese ancient painting... She even presented this 90% plagiarized painting in her exhibition...
You need to understand why this argument is. We don't care that they use our culture. After all, it's normal for our vassal state for thousands of years to be affected by us. What we hate is that Koreans claim that culture originated from them. Talk about our culture as unique to them.
It's obviously cultural appropriation.
It's clear that this video is full of culture with a lot of Chinese elements
Why is there no cultural conflict between China and Japan?
Because Japan has always recognized that Japanese culture is inspired by Chinese culture
I think it’s because Japan has given credit that many of their culture stemmed from China. Chinese also recognized that Japanese culture has since evolved uniquely.
@@user-yg7fv7si2s has china recognized it was also inspired by korean and japanese and other cultures?
I could make a dictionary of everything china has copied from south korea.
@@loelds4817 why would China give recognition to them as China is the origins of this creation?? Korean knots and Japanese knots are inspired by Chinese knots…. Do you even know what you’re saying?
@@user-zu4ve4hq6mactually tho
Korean and Chinese culture art is pretty similar (imo)
You also cannot just "steal" Chinese culture. It is pretty similar to Chinese culture, yes, but, as she said, the inspiration for the concept art and visuals is from a story about a tiger who fell in love with the sun.
It's also supposed to be traditional and yet unfamiliar in its Koreanness. So maybe that's why it looks like it may be part of Chinese culture? I don't know.
Korean culture and Chinese are totally different. (official)
@@gaweekin524they still have some similarities bc of the amount of chinese colonies that existed in korea throughout history. it's the same with a lot of countries, sharing a common history means sharing common artworks, tales, ways of speaking etc
@@gaweekin524eh not really, ofc they separated centuries ago. But a lot of words for things in Korean are the same from Chinese. And their culture is pretty similar in terms of hierarchy, and other random things like how Korea and China “don’t have” the fourth floor in buildings. Because 4 in Chinese sounds like death.
There’s a lot of difference but a lot of similarities and the major differences are because of influences not from asia like Christianity and other things.
But there are way more similarities in korean and Chinese culture than most other countries because of proximity. That’s just what happens when basically all of asia are branches of China since modern day China is where one of the first 5 civilizations to ever exist was.
I mean Vietnam was colonized by the French and Dutch and their language is literally just romanized Chinese.
They obviously have different cultures but most Asian countries have culture that have roots from China and there’s no point in denying it since a bunch of modern day countries are like that.
@@gaweekin524as a korean, kinda, but also not really. a lot of korean culture (forgive me if i am incorrect), was “borrowed” from china during the kingdom’s (goryeo’s) occupancy due the influence. but, yes, they are a little different, but when it comes to the art in HEYA!, it could *look* like chinese ideas, but in actuality, be korean. i think they’re korean 😅
@@gaweekin524 No, they're not totally different. They are similar in some ways. I'm not saying "Oh they're so similar, they're exactly the same", no not at all. But Chinese and Korean culture do resemble in a lot of different ways. Not just what you know about Chinese and Korean culture in general.
If you dig a little deeper into both cultures, you'll see some similarities.
you cant steal a culture... i mean you can use it as inspiration
im chinese and i do think there are a lot of chinese elements that might be rebranded as korean, but i think during these times with hybe, le sserafim, min heejin and the japanese danworld cult… it is a good thing to emphasise korean culture.
Heya SOTY lets go!🎉
the mv is really nice tho lol
only dead people using white Chinese knots and no one is putting them on head 😭
I'm a Korean. Let me speak from a subjective standpoint. First of all, the first thing you need to know is that in Chinese character culture areas such as Korea, China, Japan, and Vietnam, the most similar ones are Korea and China. Because Chinese culture is so vast, it would be more accurate for Koreans, who have a relatively narrow range of culture, to distinguish between them. First, cigarettes don't seem to be a problem. It's called "Gombangdae" and we've seen it a lot for a long time. Second, the fan seems to be different from traditional Korean fans. It's like a Chinese fan. Third, these are clouds commonly seen in traditional Korean paintings. I can't determine its origin, but it probably originated in China. Fourth, the mountain picture is the same as the third. Fifth, that knot also exists in Korea and is called the “chrysanthemum knot.” Mostly women tied it around their hair or clothes. Sixth, the costume looks like a mix of Korean and Chinese traditional costumes. Based on the analysis above, it seems that Chinese fans would have been satisfied if they had used the term "Oriental style" instead of "Korean style." Although I am Korean, I analyzed it as fairly as possible.
Additionally, the plot is adapted from the Korean fairy tale “Sun, Moon”. The story goes that when a tiger tried to eat a brother and sister, God sent them up to the sky and turned them into the sun and moon. Many tigers lived in Korea, and Koreans revered them, but they were hunted to extinction by the Japanese during the Japanese colonial period.The first scene depicts “the days when tigers smoked,” which in Korean fairy tales refers to a very old past. You can think of “Heya” as “my sweet sun” in Korean.
Why are you trying to debate with the Chinese? China is a country famous all over the world for plagiarism and fakery, so no one believes it anyway.
thank you
The problem is that they are saying it’s “traditional Korean culture” while it’s literally Chinese culture that they are using.
Because it is also traditional to korea. Did chinese people just discover that korea existed and was influenced by china since the ancient times? Literally china even enforced some of their culture and customs on koreans. These elements can even be found in japan including the chinese knots in kimonos. And now chinese want to claim sole ownership? What do you think of this?
exactly 💯
The motif in the MV is definitely not only Chinese, it also resembles Japanese so I kind of thought like its their one piece wano arc era at first
The main issue here really is branding the mv as homage to korean culture and heritage. There's so many similarities between the culture, I wish they would've chosen things that were distinctly korean instead of leaving so much room for overlap.
They are rooted in Chine no doubt many culture is an inspiration of country geography appearances apparently Korean they don’t have,and they were reclaim that zhangjiajie ,tanghulu ….are from Korea …I’m speechless bout they behavior they are not independence for thousands years ,Korean was belong to China that explained they aren’t able able to develop their own culture,you can see K-pop based on Pop
Use Azerbaijani / Turkish culture elements as you want dear IVE . We'll be glad
Even if they claim it's their culture? Not yours?
@@GG6790GG if there is anything that common in our culture it’s possible that they say it’s korean I will study and if I find this similarities It’s also give me positive vibes . Chinese and korean culture has same roots . It’s clearly so many similarities. Why they fight such a thing . Like I said Im Azerbaijani and I have same roots with Turkic people also has so much similarities with persian and arabs even Greeks , Armenians , Caucasians and … this is natural due to historical facts .
As an example, your mother makes you Turkish kebab, you invite your friend from another region to enjoy it, your friend says he has never tasted such a delicacy and is very keen to learn, then he approaches your mother and asks for the recipe, then ...... He opened his restaurant and said the recipe was his mother's own traditional dish and fictionalized pictures and made a big deal out of his traditional recipe as a selling point. That's why I said Korea is a thief, when you hear Korea say Gutab and Plov came from Korea you get it.
It’s just Chinese culture, the MV uses Chinese knots, auspicious clouds, ink art, Chinese style clothing, Chinese myths and many more. (More Chinese elements are used in the Mv than Korean ones) Many elements used in the MV only existed in China, NEVER in Korea. There are in fact many big differences between Chinese and Korean cultures, this MV blurred it all. When more and more people do that, it’s literally cultural appropriation.
Because most of the elements in the MV, the Korean don’t have it . For example, the Karst Mountain Landform . It’s only Chinese culture! Secondary, Korean don’t admit that some of their culture were learned from China. After they learned, they blamed Chinese is the one who stole their culture. For example, a famous Chinese TH-camr Liziqi, made a video of making salty spicy vegetables. Then Korean blamed her and said she stole Korean Kimchi. But the truth is Chinese made spicy and salty vegetables since Qin Dynasty, it was from thousands years ago. At that time, ancient Korean dynasty wasn’t even exist.
If you don’t believe this K-pop group stole Chinese culture, go to search their new interview video. When the host asked about the group members some cultural questions. They don’t even know the names of the art patterns that were used in the video! If it was Korean culture, how come this K-pop group members have no idea about the names of the patterns??? It’s their song rights???
You are SO STRECTHING girl! If they use your culture elements and claim it is Korean, and your study proves this point, you'll be annoyed too :) Just be fair, dont get biased just because you like IVE. THANK YOU!
I'm Chinese and idc LMAO the Weibo netizens are being dramatic. IVE and the creative directors are not mocking Chinese people or the culture so I don't see a problem.
No mocking, huh? Only if you could do a little research about what that smoking pipe means to Chinese. You didn’t put any effort in protecting your own traditional culture, not even close to the effort that these thieves put in stealing our precious
💯💯💯
作为中国人我认为你不应该跪着追星，想想你安稳的日子是怎么来的
Thank you. 👍 고맙네요.
우린 2천년간 중국과 왕래를 했습니다. 중국의 좋은 점을 배웠고 좋은 물건을 서로 교환했습니다. 그렇게 한국 문화가 만들어졌는데, 비슷하지만 세세하게 다른 부분이 있습니다. 그렇게 천년간 사용한 물건들이 한국 전통이란 이름을 부정당하니, 황당하네요. 😢
그리고, 중국인들은 한국의 조상들이 중국에 속국이 아니라 제후국(형제 or 친척국)이였다는 점부터 바로 잡기를 바랍니다.
(한국에는 중국과 형제관계였다는 것을 굉장히 싫어하는 분들이 많음. 이유는? 북한과 중국의 혈맹관계, 한미동맹은 그 반대가 되겠네요.)
We are so sensitive about this because one of the reason is that the scenery of mv is similar with a Chinese cartoon called “葫芦娃Calabash Brothers”. It is one of the most popular cartoon in China, and no one does not know it. I hope that Korean entertainment industry will stop plagiarisms. And I hope that there is a positive culture communication between Korea and China rather than plagirizing Chinese culture.
Every idol has my permission to dress like vikings cause WE DONT GIVE A FUK
좋아요. 난 한국인이예요. 바이킹의 옷은 한국에서 왔다고 생각해요.
Yes, but claiming Viking traditions are from Italy, for example, would be ridiculous would it not?
Vikings are Greek aren’t they?
@@hazew8413 Scandinavian
Korea culture has influence from Japan and China.
In the end, both Chinese and Japanese cultures are referred to as Korean culture, and many years later, South Korea will begin to claim its origin and refer to China and japan as a thief.
It has happened many times.
This is why geography is important, starship 💀
Korea and China used to exchange cultures with each other. China was also influenced by Korean culture. Goryeo(Korea) clothes and customs were in vogue.
U need learn the real history bro
Lol the Chinese accusing others of stealing? The hypocrisy!
我认为你应该洗洗眼睛，那就是我们中国的文化，那个还没我们一个省大的国家，应该认真发展自己，而不是自卑到中国的什么都是他们的
LMAO!! You read my mind.
我不懂是不是你脑子有病.搞得好像你们外国人没有说过我们中国一样.文化挪用事件很严重的事情.我们国家也不像你们一样那么多种族歧视.你要是眼瞎就去治.那么多的文化挪用你倒是一个都没有看得出来.
Just like Kim Jong-un said he invented the hamburger
Which Korean culture is not stolen from other country?
The music video is definitely inspired and picked from a few Korean old folktales . I grew up reading its picture books . My daughter, who was born overseas, remembers the tiger smoking scene from the book .
Thank you.
Having a few Koreans elements in the mv still doesn’t prove that they DIDNT use other cultural elements that do not belong to them and still claim it as theirs (eg dudou, golden sun bird, Chinese buttons etc)
@baburufireice835 no need to prove . No matter how you people try to bully us , we don't care . We Koreans enjoy our cultures . We don't steal watch Netflix , TH-cam or k dramas like you guys. Ask your government to compensate all over the world for Covid 19 spread rather than playing victims using Korean MV . Covid was terrible culture .
@@sinusrythm751…. Covid originated from chemical leaks in US labs..
@@sinusrythm751 pretty sure stealing culture and claiming it as their own makes the Koreans the biggest bully in this game.
Why has Japan, which is friendly to South Korea, been accusing you of cultural appropriation? Simply search in Japanese and you can see countless videos
Since when has Japan been friendly to Korea? They fight all the time😂
its just so funny how the theme is about tigers in love under the sun(idk) saying that its korean culture while the korean environment cant even host tigers lmao😅
um becuz they were killed through japanese colonization
China thinks the hanbok design belong to them too.
They don’t though.
? Nope! We're the ones who always get accused of wearing hanbok when we're wearing hanfu :(
Do Koreans know that many Korean ”hanbok“ are plagiarized from Chinese Hanfu and Mongolian clothing， and refer to China as a thief?
But hanbok is, in fact adopted from Hanfu…..you can get the answer by googling it.
What are you talking abt
Korea was once a part of the Chinese empire. It's obvious that there's going to be a lot of culture that are shared and is going to be integrated into its own culture. Even China's pop culture is heavily lifted from Korea and Japan.
Also, colonizers don't really get to complain about their culture being stolen. China is the reason why half of Koreans are under the rule of a tyrant that keeps threatening the world with nukes.
What?? The Republic of Korea’s foreign ministry stated, “it is a fact recognised by the international community that Korea was not a part of China during the thousands of years of historical relations between the two.” So who’s the colonizer you’re speaking of? North Korea is ruled by a North Korean. Do you have the same attitude toward the United States when regimes it funds are violent against the world?
@@ruiqi22 That's just political talk. Korea was a tributary state of China, basically a part of China but was not occupied. China is the colonizer because they prevented Korea from being united as one country during the Korean war. They also pushed a crazy dictator into power.
And yes I do have the same attitude against USA. I'm against the middle eastern occupations, mingling with Hong Kong affairs, what it did in PH, what it did in Central America and of course, it's long racist history in the USA. Do you really think I like what white people have done? They are the biggest colonizers.
Two things can be true. Don't a fken idiot.
All of the elements used in the HEYA MV were not used in Korean history, so check your facts please. You seem to defend only Koreans meaning you’re biased. When it comes to China they’re bad and should not even be defended even though they are wronged, right?
That's definitely Cultural Appropriation
I am from Taiwan, and I can confirm the MV contains a lot of Chinese elements.
I think Chinese culture influenced Korea a lot , so they're kinda mixed , also Rei is Japanese, so I'm talking Heya as Asia inspired , but they should give credits to China , love Ive , stream Heya❤❤
China is a communist country blocking access to TH-cam. There is no culture in China due to the cultural destruction revolution.
@@gaweekin524come to china then
More than 500 years ago, China was the soft power powerhouse of Asia and actively spread its culture throughout the Asia.
Now, 500 years later, they claim that Asia is copying and appropriating China's culture.
NO.... Asian countries have been influenced, but they've developed their own characteristics.
Buddhism spread from India to China.
Would you agree if India claimed all Chinese culture derived from Buddhism as Indian?
Today, Asia's soft power powerhouses are South Korea and Japan, and China is literally being influenced by Korean culture in most areas of culture, including CPOP, CDRAMA, fashion, cosmetics, hair, etc.
Would the all Chinese agree that CPOP is just copycat of KPOP and has appropriated KPOP's culture?
NO, Give it another 20 years and China will claim that CPOP and idol culture are uniquely Chinese.
It originated from China. A few minor tweaks doesn’t make it your own
@@hazew8413 You mean CPOP belongs to Korea?
@@princecoffee2349 nope we meant lots element in ive video belongs to China
At least we don't have the cheek to say kpop is Chinese...... Actually , your country doesn't have to wait 20 years, you are already stealing Chinese culture😅😅😅I'm ashamed of you.😅
The video "ive's heya and the recent appropriation of Chinese culture" by aaa explains a lot. You can see it and make your own judgement.
sorry but korea basically has no actual culture that they created them themselves. the hanbok originates from the Chinese han dynastic thus HANbok
so tired of ppl complaining about stuff that literally hurts no one and contributes nothing to anything
Cultural appropriation can actually hurt. To unequivocally claim that the elements you adopted from another culture originate from your own culture is pretty bad. You can’t just assume it doesn’t hurt no one unless you’ve walked in their shoes.
@@user-zu4ve4hq6m no one ever said anything belonged to their culture but everyone calls it cultural appropriation anyway for example a white person wearing box braids. unless they have a sign saying "this hairstyle belongs to white people" it shouldn't be a problem right? if people actually claimed something to be from their culture when it's not it's just lying like whatever. y'all give "cultural appropriation" so much importance when it's literally nothing. "oppressed" people just like to gatekeep stuff to make themselves look like victims. that's all there is to it
@@usergodknowswhat yeah and I don’t know if you watched yujin’s interview saying their mv concept is based on traditional Korean style and culture. There is a video on TH-cam and you can search for it. Yes, They can definitely borrow our culture and cite the source instead of claiming it as theirs.
@@user-zu4ve4hq6m I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about cultural appropriation in general when you said that claiming a culture that isn't yours as yours is bad (which practically no one does). And the designer or whatever already said it was based on Korean culture. Just bc it's similar to yours doesn't mean it is. It's frickin Asia no shit it's gonna have similarities. You're Chinese right? Why are you acting like you know Korean culture better than they know it themselves?
@@usergodknowswhat bruh … are you being for real or you haven’t learned any history? The music video uses Chinese elements like Chinese knots, auspicious clouds, and karst landforms and there is accurate historical evidence online as China has a profound history of 5000 years… Isn’t it ridiculous that Koreans called this Korean style but they can’t even prove or find conditions for the formation of this so-called “Korean culture”? The elements they used in the music video are clearly from Chinese culture. Just like in the interview, they didn’t even know the meanings and historical significance of these elements, instead they called it “patterns”.
A few things China copied from south korea:
cdrama = kdrama
cpop = kpop
douyin makeup = kbeauty
Douyin fashion =kstyle fashion
hanfu = hanbok
Cdrama school uniforms = korean kyobok
Huawei = samsung
Victory game = squid game
Paocai = kimchi
Now chinese even copy polite etiquettes from koreans such as bowing to say “nihao” and “xie xie”.
Some of these are true, but others are just absurd
god just tell me you're a westerner that can't distinguish between two cultures and respectfully stfu.
What a bunch of lies LOL stop the cap please 😂
Then we can assume that y’all copied IPhone help
Have you gone to the Museum Kimchikan in Seoul? Did you know that it acknowledges that paocai predates kimchi? 🤔
I thought the animations (is that the right word?) were just Korean with the Chinese zodiac of the tiger. Plus it reminded me of Chill Kill with the animations and the Reve Festival with the carnival like background
lol after double checking, I found out that the artist who made the animations actually posted on ig that she’s been learning the traditional chinese drawing techniques, but now they’re all refusing to admit that the MV has anything to do with Chinese culture. That’s probably part of the reason why ppl r upset. I also saw ppl commenting that the background featured in the mv is called the Karst Landform (hope I didn’t misspell it) . It’s one of the prominent elements drawn in Chinese traditional paintings cuz it’s a major landform of theirs. But Korea apparently doesn’t have that kind of mountains. As for the cultural elements…u can just check out the other comments, I think they’ve pointed out many