I initially gave this a thumbs down because the pictures were not shown when he fist started the talk. It got better just as I was going to stop watching, it was an excellent lecture and I learned a lot.
I was ready to turn it off because nobody started the slides. I'm glad they were there. You can only teach people with examples to look at. It was a great learning tool. And now I can relate more to my dog. Lassie would be very happy that we're learning her language. :-)
around 1:09:00 it's very interesting what he says about dominance and the control of resources. Food being the primary one. I quelled food aggression in one of my dogs by controlling food for a few weeks and feeding only from my hand or holding the bowl. I really like this guy's advice.
Fyi, pictures are only missing on first few minutes. (Tried to reply to another woman's criticism below. Didn't work...although post does.) He is so right on 99% of his info. Particularly appreciated his comment about using physical aggression ("alpha roll") when the giving and witholding of positive rewards are so much easier, safer, and more rewarding on multiple levels. (Thanks to clicker trainers, hours of reading, hands on experience, personal reflection, I am long past the days of trying to lower my fear (losing control of an animal, respect from people) OR boost my ego/sense of power by physically dominating dogs or horses. Only thing I didn't agree with...animal placing leg on another is not always a sign of trying to dominate. They do learn and try to mimic our signals to communicate with us, some more than others. Depends on individuals and situations. I do wish he had the time or inclination recognize canine examples of non-physical communication. See "Dogs Who Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home" by Sheldrake for additional info. Although I don't form the exact same conclusions, esp intro chapters, One Mind by Dossey gives related examples in the human world.
+janey1098 Cesar Millan talks about non-physical communication all the time. It's a perfectly natural phenomenon that many people discount as fantasy. Cesar understands it perfectly.
Dogs, namely mine can give me a smile with his upper lip raising and he shows just his teeth between his upper fangs. I know as he does this, not always, but when he has been caught at doing something he shouldn't have. Also when he wants to be silly he shows his teeth again. He is not showing any signs of aggression and his eyes are in a pleasant manner with no malice .
I loved this, my only complaint is he didn't go into fights enough. No dog experts ever talk about intense fights between dogs. Now, what do I mean? Here is an example: Summer of 2013 I had three wonderful dogs. One day I noticed my bull mastiff-pit bull, boxer mix was just acting odd. He was crying here and there (which I attributed to his IBS). A little while later his head started hanging to one side more and more. He often pawed at that side of his head and began shaking his head. He then began to randomly wake up from sleeping and go after my papillion. Knowing what to do I always was able to defuse the situations rather quickly. I began to suspect something was wrong because as a child our wolf mix got similar issues when he got too many health issues, including Encephalitis. Then some random day I heard the dogs go off. I got out there too late. I broke up the fight, threw the large dog (100 pounds) outside and went to check the little 6-9pound Papillion. He died when I got to him. I went to pick him up, felt something odd, peeked over and realized I had his intentions in my hand. He had been disemboweled. Exactly one month to the day Clutch died, it nearly happened again. (I had kept the mastiff mix alive to see if his condition worsened to make sure I was right about what was going on. He seemed better for a little bit but it came back with ferocity.) I was in my room, and he woke up from his sleep and began mauling the Plott Hound mix I'd recently rescued from the pound. He was a 60pound 7month old pup. I tried to break it up in all the ways I knew how, mainly picking the dogs hips up to unbalance them and make them snap out of the attack mode. The fight was around 5whole minutes, maybe 6 or 7 before I could get help. We grabbed the dogs and held them apart as I used butter knives to pry open the Plott's mouth. He had been able to latch on the larger dogs ear and simply held on for most of the ride, and he went into shock making him unable to open his mouth on his own. His throat was slashed all the down his chest. Paw was missing half of a pad and toe, his paw had a hole were it was completely chomped through. Blood on my walls, TV, in my hair. Blood was smeared all over my arms and neck. Broken class and upturned tables. I took my 2 year old mastiff in the next day and held him in my arms as he was euthanized. I was right, he had Encephalitis so bad his brain was being pushed down into his spinal cavity. I had them find a lump I found on him that more than doubled in size in two weeks. He had a rapidly growing cancer, and he appeared to also have a brain tumor. This whole process took no more than 3months. My question is, if you figure the problem out to late as I did, HOW can you break up the fight? These dogs had water dumped on them, fell onto glass shattering it, even put a dent in my wall. Nothing worked. What can someone do to help prevent one dog from literally mauling another one to death when it gets that bad and intense? I lost two dogs in one month. My Plott Hound mix did survive, and is now almost 2 years old. I rescued him from a local shelter. I no longer train dogs as a job simply because I couldnt stop those situations and now feel inadequate. Is there even a way to stop a dog fight when one is zoned out, in pain? Mind you, the ill dog hardly whimpered at all when his head began to run out of room. Nobody ever covers the extreme fighting cases like these.
Are any of you actually studying canine behaviour and training? Cesar Milan's techniques are not widely recognised in the scientific dog training world and the dominance Stanley Coren talks about isn't outdated (maybe the use of the word dominance is). If you think of it in terms of 'achieving behavioural control' it is 100% still valid!
A mouth open on a dog can be relaxed and friendly - only if they're baring their teeth is it a sign of aggression. A closed mouth can be a warning that they're not that comfortable with you.
Thank you Professor Coran. I have some of your books... The pawprints of history and How to speak dog are 2 of my favorites... Thank you, you helped me understand my Gizmo Lab Huskey X.... We truly do communicate... XO from the Kootenays
I had a situation one-time a long time ago, whereby I had a friend who had a sign posted on her fence, trained guard dog. Well, she and I were in agreement that I was to come over to her place. I drove into the side drive park and got out of my car. This huge Shepperd guard dog was on the cement step landing, he didn't see me at first, nor did I see him either, until I was about fifty-sixty feet away from my car. We then saw each other, and I looked at my car knowing that I wouldn't be able to run fastest enough to get away from him and he would then know the chase was on. So, with him and me eyeballing each other. I stood my ground and, of course, he came charging at me. I still stood my ground and he smacked right into me on my upper leg with his mouth closed tight. He then looked at me and walked away. I was glad that he didn't bite me but just walked away looking at me as he left. Anyway, to this day I wasn't sure if she forgot to put this dog in her house or just wanted to see what I'd do. In either case, we visited and I left safe and sound. Can you believe this, it's a true fact?
I have one more thing to say: I don't believe in dogs trying to dominate people. At all! My dog is sleeping in my bed at night, his head on top of me and so on, but he's showing NO signs what so ever that he's trying to rule the household. He's obedient, relaxed, always happy to see me etc. He's a DOG, I'm a HUMAN, and he sure knows the difference. Dogs don't dominate other species.
Eva-Lena Buhaug as a dog behaviorist, I can tell you that there are thousands of instances where dogs try to dominate people. I can list so many stories of dominant dog to humans behavior. You just have to realize that behavior is the last bit of communication that we actually see. Emotional pheromonal scenting, emotional energy frequency, and telepathy all happen before the actual behavior.
Criticism: Licking IS a sign of liking or love (a real kiss). It's not only a dog/wolf thing. I myself was licked by cat, mare, cow, kid. They really didn't want me to regurgitate food! A dog may also lick another dog for healing purpose. Dogs also lick themselves to clean up. In many cases they lick the hands of humans, again that never causes regurgitation ;-) Regurgitating lick is different.
would have been nice if we could have actually SEEN the slides the speaker refers to in this video,,, i mean, wateva happened to ONE PICTURE IS WORTH 1000 WORDS?
ecstatica23 Lots of scientific research. Most of it is not available for everyone, but you can find some articles on Google scholar. Sara Bennett also mentions it in a lecture, among others. However, as far as I know, this is still being contested.
Dion7 I have yet to read any compelling evidence about this claim. And I have not found any "scientific evidence" if you find a scientific report that clearly explains this point, let me know.
ecstatica23 It's true. Recent research _does_ show that dogs _may not_ be pack animals after all. Feral dogs studied in various places around the world have shown dogs behave more like scavengers and not predators. They behave less like wolves and more like foxes. When you see homeless dogs on the street, they are always solitary. The whole idea about dogs being pack animals may not be true after all. My take is our dogs have evolved more complex social skills than we realise, maybe they've spent so much time along side humans, they've evolved to be a bit more 'human'. Who knows...?
+Tesla Nick Homeless dogs are not always solitary, and their behavior can't be compared to wolves in a natural environment with available prey. Feral dogs are contending with the multiple hazards of human civilization: lack of food, dangers from cars and people, illnesses contracted from poor nutrition and exposure to other sick animals, etc.
Strange how the human mind works...you only think it is good advice if YOU actually agree with it. I agreed with a lot of what he said and therefore thought it good advice. The parts I did not necessarily agree with may or may not be good advice also...after all he has put a lot more of his life's work into understanding this than I have... so just because I don't agree with it...I am not going to be so arrogant to say he was talking shit. The man only has limited time on stage and he is not interacting real time he is giving a speech. He states and so does Cesar, that it is not exactly the same all the time for all dogs... so all you negative (expert) commenters... get a bit of perspective, and if you cant manage that then please don't get a dog cos you sure wont understand it like you need to. On the whole I thought it was well worth watching.
Pity that it is often suggested that there is hierarchy between dogs and humans (animals of different species). There is no evidence of this being true.
ask me to speak about dogs... OMG Ill give you so much more what what he said... I actually know dogs and they love me just because I do extremly simple communication with them.
"he is German, and Germans believe there's a hierarchy" WOW did he really just say that??? Treats are great for tricks, that's not necessarily respect. The dog is just doing it for food. A dog sitting for you because you have a treat is very different from a dog sitting because they see you as the dominant one. Dogs don't use treats to show dominance they use body language and energy.
So he criticizes Cesar incorrectly, because Cesar doesn't roll the dog on its back but lays the dog down on its side, and then he explains exactly what Cesar does, on the "top dog signals" part. "the dominant dog stands over the submissive dog who lies on the ground" that's exactly what Cesar teaches. Cesar also only does this when a dog is in a fight because he is teaching the dog that that is unacceptable.
That's what wrong with cedar Milan... Dominance theory is a myth!! No dog is born or becomes dominant, so why use dominance to correct a psychological problem? It fixes nothing, it's basically abuse
i think alot of this info is relitave to the dogs breed and also their individual personality. eg: if i had a submissive dog that layed his head on my knee i wouldnt assume hes trying to dominate me. but a dominant dog doing that would mean something different, id take it as hes trying to dominate me
I also don't agree with what he says there at the end about letting dogs have their fight. If you have two unstable dogs, and you let them "work it out" there will be serious injuries and possibly death. That's horrible advice.
misskja66 my dog killed another dog when she got loose, i guess that was her way of "working things out" the other dog didn't even seem aggressive or unstable. but I'm not sure. So yeah, Coren is WRONG because unstable dogs, if they are red zone dogs, will fight to kill, hence why they call them unstable. Balanced dogs will not fight to kill and yes can work things out but with no leader in the pack dogs can get hurt.
ecstatica23 So you raised a dog that KILLED another dog and you are giving suggestions to others dog owners about how to train dogs? Better find a good dog training book to read instead.
The belief that dogs are trying to dominate people is just so old! This belief is the beginning of many situations of abuse towards the dog and it's really sad to watch. If you start seeing your dog as a team mate I promise you will get a happier and more obidient dog.
this is more theory while Caesar more to the field ( practical ). like one a professor with full of theory I. his filed and the other one, a man with skillfully in his field
When you compare the approach that Cesar uses, it pretty much lines up 100% with the canine communication methods this gentleman describes. Cesar simply uses body language, vocalizations, and physical contact, in order to assert himself on the dog, which is exactly what dogs have done to each other since they were pups in a litter.
If you think Cesar is a good dog trainer, I've got news for you. There's only one country in the world that has regulated the dog training profession, Germany, where you have to take a test to be allowed to work with dogs. Cesar failed it. The ONLY test in the WORLD to become a dog trainer and he failed it.
@@TheMrMacintosh test probably has nothing to do with real world, hands on dog training. Probably a written test lol. Mario Andretti would probably fail a written driving test from whatever country 🙄
Why oh why do other dog experts feel the need to have a go at Cesar, just pisses people off. Up to that point I felt I was learning quite a lot. First watch all the programs, second the warning is because people don't use his techniques properly - ie they are not reading the body language. If people didn't listen to the whole fear and dominance aggression properly they could get bit given a fearful dog space that Cohen said to do - see its easy to follow good advice badly. RANT OVER
There's much to learn here, but I do not agree on all things. Like the dog dominating you by putting his paw on you knee? No. I do not agree on that. However, I like the fact that you are against the "alpha roll" and such, cause that is plain stupidity, as for the ones saying the dog bit my child without warning. Even though I don't agree in all of this, I must say that in general, this is a good video.
I was enjoying this until he started trashing Cesar Millan and misunderstanding his motives. Cesar isn't trying to make dogs "love" him, nor does he use violence. That's nonsense. Cesar is also not a dog trainer. It's disgusting that people trash others who share the same love of dogs and use different methods. Just teach your methods, your understanding, and quit positioning yourself as a dominant aggressive know-it-all. The hatred starts at 40:00.
+Elizabeth M I don't think he "trashed" Millan, I think he made a very important point about safety & wrong messages. I also agree with the irony of Millan's posted statement at the beginning of his shows saying do not attempt this at home. Yet the whole show is him telling dog owners to do exactly that. A) it makes no sense. B) just by virtue of the show being on the content is being absorbed by the watchers in a learning sort of way. Remember how the show Jackass was blamed for so many young guys doing stupid stuff that they saw on the show & ending up getting really hurt? Well, you still hear a lot of complaining about it, that it gave young people these horriibly stupid ideas that looked so funny on TV. It's the same sort of thing; DON'T DO THIS, BUT LET US SHOW YOU HOW TO DO IT & all the fame/interest/enjoyment/cool mad skills worthy (to many of the watchers anyway) of showing off with. Implication: You too could be this cool (but you didn't hear it from us, but watch us for more). I like to watch Cesar work with dogs, & many times I am enlightened or agree with his technique, BUT not always. I too have seen him do things I thought quite questionable. I agree completely with Coran on the Alpha Roll being a poor decision & only creates fertile ground for setting the scene for more battles of will by enagaging instead of solving. It wins no battles but only puts you a step behind in your goal.
+MBP GOOD DOG INFO/VID'S Also, and I repeat that I do like to watch Millan, I would think that it's good to remember that once one reaching a certain celeb status with hundreds of thousands adoring you, you might start to eat it up a little. How could you not? He's called the Dog Whisperer. My personal thought in looking at him, is that he is a very confident man. He seems to like working his look, & being seen. I.E.; he's a showman, as well as a dog trainer & he's good at it. I venture to guess that he has a pretty healthy ego going on there & it gets fed well from stardom. That's OK too, but it could lead a little bit to maybe showing off a tad? Maybe some of the things he does like the Alpha Roll are cool, & he may take a sort of macho pride in being able to do it. Although it doesn't mean that its safe to present to general public as a tool that they too could use (well if not for the quick waiver of liability statement at beginning not to try these things at home). As Coran said someone could get their face bit off that way. Ever see a pre-teen kid watch the Karate Kid and not then see them trying out karate moves for the next few months?
+MBP GOOD DOG INFO/VID'S That's because Cesar first rehabilitates the dog, then shows the owner how to prevent the dog from reverting to the unwanted behavior. Big difference.
Bad video skills . . Just focused on speaker and not showing us slides he is showing. We would hear speaker and see slides at same time if done! So we have missed out that part from original live meeting! But thanks for trying anyways!
its obvious this guy is a SCIENTIST and does not need to entertain you with pictures and video. Everything i've heard so far is correct and you're obviously ignorant for thinking anything you haven't tested yourself. No dog is a HUMAN. We are human. NOTHING else is...
I have a doctorate degree and usually side with academics, but this guy is wrong about Cesar. I've watched probably hundreds of his shows and have NEVER seen him flip a dog on its back to show dominance. There is an expression in my field 'those that can't do, teach'.
Had to call it good at about 10 minutes. This guy is totally out of breath, and is trying to give his presentation whilst breathing very heavily into a microphone with no pop screen or filter. I'm sure I would like to hear about his work with dogs, but this is totally unwatchable. The guy keeps pacing back and forth and making his breathing even heavier, his voice is completely annoying, and his weight has him struggling to breathe the whole time. In the future, sir, I would recommend you use a pop screen on your mic to keep the "popping" noises down when you say words with a P or a F, buy one for 3 dollars and bring it with you to events. Also, if you can't physically handle all that walking and talking, cut the walking out, nobody clicked on this video to watch you pace back and forth out of breath, it makes it very difficult to listen to you. And, poster of this video: I doubt this is a 2015 film as stated in the title.
"Don't Try This At Home" That's just standard TV network crap they use to protect themselves from lawsuits for whatever reason. Milan gets results but if you don't like him do it your own way! I think we can all agree that using Milan tactics is better than nothing at all.
I thought this was actually going to be about real dog/animal communication not just signs based on body behavior. As fot cats being as "smart" as a dumb dog, how sad he thinks dogs & cats are essentially stupid. And yet we we can communicate with these beautiful animals the same as we do with any human. My cat is smarter than many humans. If you treat an animal like s/he is stupid that's all you see proving you're the stupid one!
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I initially gave this a thumbs down because the pictures were not shown when he fist started the talk. It got better just as I was going to stop watching, it was an excellent lecture and I learned a lot.
I agree those pictures on the wall are terrible😂😂😂
I love this man ... I've read everything (dog-related) he's written and I still got some good things out of this lecture
Overall this was decently enlightening. I would have liked to see his example photos and diagrams though.
I was ready to turn it off because nobody started the slides. I'm glad they were there. You can only teach people with examples to look at. It was a great learning tool. And now I can relate more to my dog. Lassie would be very happy that we're learning her language. :-)
Pretty good presentation.
I like the fact that this dude actually acknowledges pack structure and dominance as opposed to denying that it exists.
around 1:09:00 it's very interesting what he says about dominance and the control of resources. Food being the primary one. I quelled food aggression in one of my dogs by controlling food for a few weeks and feeding only from my hand or holding the bowl. I really like this guy's advice.
This was absolutely brilliant to watch, I’d love to watch more videos if possible please Mr Coren.
Fyi, pictures are only missing on first few minutes. (Tried to reply to another woman's criticism below. Didn't work...although post does.) He is so right on 99% of his info. Particularly appreciated his comment about using physical aggression ("alpha roll") when the giving and witholding of positive rewards are so much easier, safer, and more rewarding on multiple levels. (Thanks to clicker trainers, hours of reading, hands on experience, personal reflection, I am long past the days of trying to lower my fear (losing control of an animal, respect from people) OR boost my ego/sense of power by physically dominating dogs or horses. Only thing I didn't agree with...animal placing leg on another is not always a sign of trying to dominate. They do learn and try to mimic our signals to communicate with us, some more than others. Depends on individuals and situations. I do wish he had the time or inclination recognize canine examples of non-physical communication. See "Dogs Who Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home" by Sheldrake for additional info. Although I don't form the exact same conclusions, esp intro chapters, One Mind by Dossey gives related examples in the human world.
+janey1098 Cesar Millan talks about non-physical communication all the time. It's a perfectly natural phenomenon that many people discount as fantasy. Cesar understands it perfectly.
I wish you could see the pictures :'(
Dogs, namely mine can give me a smile with his upper lip raising and he shows just his teeth between his upper fangs. I know as he does this, not always, but when he has been caught at doing something he shouldn't have. Also when he wants to be silly he shows his teeth again. He is not showing any signs of aggression and his eyes are in a pleasant manner with no malice
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I loved this, my only complaint is he didn't go into fights enough. No dog experts ever talk about intense fights between dogs. Now, what do I mean?
Here is an example:
Summer of 2013 I had three wonderful dogs. One day I noticed my bull mastiff-pit bull, boxer mix was just acting odd. He was crying here and there (which I attributed to his IBS). A little while later his head started hanging to one side more and more. He often pawed at that side of his head and began shaking his head. He then began to randomly wake up from sleeping and go after my papillion. Knowing what to do I always was able to defuse the situations rather quickly. I began to suspect something was wrong because as a child our wolf mix got similar issues when he got too many health issues, including Encephalitis.
Then some random day I heard the dogs go off. I got out there too late. I broke up the fight, threw the large dog (100 pounds) outside and went to check the little 6-9pound Papillion. He died when I got to him. I went to pick him up, felt something odd, peeked over and realized I had his intentions in my hand. He had been disemboweled.
Exactly one month to the day Clutch died, it nearly happened again. (I had kept the mastiff mix alive to see if his condition worsened to make sure I was right about what was going on. He seemed better for a little bit but it came back with ferocity.)
I was in my room, and he woke up from his sleep and began mauling the Plott Hound mix I'd recently rescued from the pound. He was a 60pound 7month old pup. I tried to break it up in all the ways I knew how, mainly picking the dogs hips up to unbalance them and make them snap out of the attack mode. The fight was around 5whole minutes, maybe 6 or 7 before I could get help. We grabbed the dogs and held them apart as I used butter knives to pry open the Plott's mouth. He had been able to latch on the larger dogs ear and simply held on for most of the ride, and he went into shock making him unable to open his mouth on his own. His throat was slashed all the down his chest. Paw was missing half of a pad and toe, his paw had a hole were it was completely chomped through. Blood on my walls, TV, in my hair. Blood was smeared all over my arms and neck. Broken class and upturned tables.
I took my 2 year old mastiff in the next day and held him in my arms as he was euthanized. I was right, he had Encephalitis so bad his brain was being pushed down into his spinal cavity. I had them find a lump I found on him that more than doubled in size in two weeks. He had a rapidly growing cancer, and he appeared to also have a brain tumor. This whole process took no more than 3months.
My question is, if you figure the problem out to late as I did, HOW can you break up the fight? These dogs had water dumped on them, fell onto glass shattering it, even put a dent in my wall. Nothing worked. What can someone do to help prevent one dog from literally mauling another one to death when it gets that bad and intense? I lost two dogs in one month.
My Plott Hound mix did survive, and is now almost 2 years old. I rescued him from a local shelter. I no longer train dogs as a job simply because I couldnt stop those situations and now feel inadequate. Is there even a way to stop a dog fight when one is zoned out, in pain? Mind you, the ill dog hardly whimpered at all when his head began to run out of room. Nobody ever covers the extreme fighting cases like these.
Are any of you actually studying canine behaviour and training? Cesar Milan's techniques are not widely recognised in the scientific dog training world and the dominance Stanley Coren talks about isn't outdated (maybe the use of the word dominance is). If you think of it in terms of 'achieving behavioural control' it is 100% still valid!
Milan is a genious, gifted with ability to talkj to dogs
Incredible, just absolutely incredible.
A mouth open on a dog can be relaxed and friendly - only if they're baring their teeth is it a sign of aggression. A closed mouth can be a warning that they're not that comfortable with you.
Thank you Professor Coran. I have some of your books... The pawprints of history and How to speak dog are 2 of my favorites... Thank you, you helped me understand my Gizmo Lab Huskey X.... We truly do communicate... XO from the Kootenays
Yay! We started to see the pics!
Are the slides available anywhere online to pair with this?
And they show up the second I post this....
Thank you this is just what i needed to learn about dogs it has lots of good information in it.
I had a situation one-time a long time ago, whereby I had a friend who had a sign posted on her fence, trained guard dog. Well, she and I were in agreement that I was to come over to her place. I drove into the side drive park and got out of my car. This huge Shepperd guard dog was on the cement step landing, he didn't see me at first, nor did I see him either, until I was about fifty-sixty feet away from my car. We then saw each other, and I looked at my car knowing that I wouldn't be able to run fastest enough to get away from him and he would then know the chase was on. So, with him and me eyeballing each other. I stood my ground and, of course, he came charging at me. I still stood my ground and he smacked right into me on my upper leg with his mouth closed tight. He then looked at me and walked away. I was glad that he didn't bite me but just walked away looking at me as he left. Anyway, to this day I wasn't sure if she forgot to put this dog in her house or just wanted to see what I'd do. In either case, we visited and I left safe and sound. Can you believe this, it's a true fact?
Skip to 3:06 to get by all the introductions
I have one more thing to say: I don't believe in dogs trying to dominate people. At all! My dog is sleeping in my bed at night, his head on top of me and so on, but he's showing NO signs what so ever that he's trying to rule the household. He's obedient, relaxed, always happy to see me etc. He's a DOG, I'm a HUMAN, and he sure knows the difference. Dogs don't dominate other species.
Eva-Lena Buhaug as a dog behaviorist, I can tell you that there are thousands of instances where dogs try to dominate people. I can list so many stories of dominant dog to humans behavior. You just have to realize that behavior is the last bit of communication that we actually see. Emotional pheromonal scenting, emotional energy frequency, and telepathy all happen before the actual behavior.
Would have been nice to see the pictures and illustrations. By not showing these I miss half the presentation. Sorry can’t watch this.
great vid!!! --- thanks for sharing ... so insightful ...
Criticism: Licking IS a sign of liking or love (a real kiss). It's not only a dog/wolf thing. I myself was licked by cat, mare, cow, kid. They really didn't want me to regurgitate food! A dog may also lick another dog for healing purpose. Dogs also lick themselves to clean up. In many cases they lick the hands of humans, again that never causes regurgitation ;-) Regurgitating lick is different.
Great Lecture
Please provide a link to the slides in the description of the video.
They come in after a minute or two.
would have been nice if we could have actually SEEN the slides the speaker refers to in this video,,, i mean, wateva happened to ONE PICTURE IS WORTH 1000 WORDS?
They show up about 15 minutes in...
It's a good talk. But we need to see the projected displays too.
Oops -- when was this recorded? Dr. Coren surely is aware of the current thinking that dogs aren't pack animals.
ilovecanines who is saying dogs aren't pack animals?? where did you hear this info?
ecstatica23 Lots of scientific research. Most of it is not available for everyone, but you can find some articles on Google scholar. Sara Bennett also mentions it in a lecture, among others. However, as far as I know, this is still being contested.
Dion7 I have yet to read any compelling evidence about this claim. And I have not found any "scientific evidence" if you find a scientific report that clearly explains this point, let me know.
ecstatica23 It's true. Recent research _does_ show that dogs _may not_ be pack animals after all. Feral dogs studied in various places around the world have shown dogs behave more like scavengers and not predators. They behave less like wolves and more like foxes.
When you see homeless dogs on the street, they are always solitary.
The whole idea about dogs being pack animals may not be true after all.
My take is our dogs have evolved more complex social skills than we realise, maybe they've spent so much time along side humans, they've evolved to be a bit more 'human'.
Who knows...?
+Tesla Nick Homeless dogs are not always solitary, and their behavior can't be compared to wolves in a natural environment with available prey. Feral dogs are contending with the multiple hazards of human civilization: lack of food, dangers from cars and people, illnesses contracted from poor nutrition and exposure to other sick animals, etc.
Great video, love you're book's
Wonderful presentation, great disappointment that we cannot see his slides :(
Awesome video
Strange how the human mind works...you only think it is good advice if YOU actually agree with it. I agreed with a lot of what he said and therefore thought it good advice.
The parts I did not necessarily agree with may or may not be good advice also...after all he has put a lot more of his life's work into understanding this than I have... so just because I don't agree with it...I am not going to be so arrogant to say he was talking shit. The man only has limited time on stage and he is not interacting real time he is giving a speech. He states and so does Cesar, that it is not exactly the same all the time for all dogs... so all you negative (expert) commenters... get a bit of perspective, and if you cant manage that then please don't get a dog cos you sure wont understand it like you need to. On the whole I thought it was well worth watching.
+Mistar Biker I got a lot of good detailed tips on dog body language from this. I think Coran was very logical, it made sense & I liked it.
what if, the dog has no tail?
It causes complications with other dogs reading them.
Pity that it is often suggested that there is hierarchy between dogs and humans (animals of different species). There is no evidence of this being true.
ask me to speak about dogs... OMG Ill give you so much more what what he said... I actually know dogs and they love me just because I do extremly simple communication with them.
Why don't you make a video? :)
It would be nice if we could see the slides
Worth watching
This helped me alot thanks!
Why are you surprised there is talk of "dominant" dogs?
What is your alternative view on the matter of dominance?
That would have been better if we could have seen the picture he is relating too...
Its funny how in the intro it says, 'since the time of Darwin..' like no one thought about these things before him! hahaha
Reading "how to speak to your dog" by Stanley Coren...
you should try and read his actual book
I am right now! That's why I looked up the name.
I think it's a good video. I'm against force in animals and that's not the way you teach/train your dogs.
please next time show the displays on the wall.
Just got finished reading Coren's "How Dogs Think". Type his name into youtube to see what he looked like.
I did the same thing with, "How to Talk to Your Dog." Cool!
"he is German, and Germans believe there's a hierarchy" WOW did he really just say that???
Treats are great for tricks, that's not necessarily respect. The dog is just doing it for food. A dog sitting for you because you have a treat is very different from a dog sitting because they see you as the dominant one. Dogs don't use treats to show dominance they use body language and energy.
+Sri understands what now?? what are you commenting about?
I'm sorry, I still don't see the relevance of your comment.
you know.... my dog too is aware that I am not a dog.
I learned to speak dog from watching dog whisperer.
So he criticizes Cesar incorrectly, because Cesar doesn't roll the dog on its back but lays the dog down on its side, and then he explains exactly what Cesar does, on the "top dog signals" part. "the dominant dog stands over the submissive dog who lies on the ground" that's exactly what Cesar teaches. Cesar also only does this when a dog is in a fight because he is teaching the dog that that is unacceptable.
That's what wrong with cedar Milan... Dominance theory is a myth!! No dog is born or becomes dominant, so why use dominance to correct a psychological problem? It fixes nothing, it's basically abuse
No entiendo, en español profesor.
I love your belt buckle
My advice observe more dogs and there behavior in nature then you will undrstand that cesar is just right buddy :)
13min 18sec in he starts showing pics.
It should change from 1K to 1, 001K, right? YT is stupid.
Caesar doesn't disagree with this information. (Not that I'm big on Caesar or anything)
i think alot of this info is relitave to the dogs breed and also their individual personality. eg: if i had a submissive dog that layed his head on my knee i wouldnt assume hes trying to dominate me. but a dominant dog doing that would mean something different, id take it as hes trying to dominate me
I also don't agree with what he says there at the end about letting dogs have their fight. If you have two unstable dogs, and you let them "work it out" there will be serious injuries and possibly death. That's horrible advice.
misskja66 my dog killed another dog when she got loose, i guess that was her way of "working things out" the other dog didn't even seem aggressive or unstable. but I'm not sure. So yeah, Coren is WRONG because unstable dogs, if they are red zone dogs, will fight to kill, hence why they call them unstable. Balanced dogs will not fight to kill and yes can work things out but with no leader in the pack dogs can get hurt.
ecstatica23 So you raised a dog that KILLED another dog and you are giving suggestions to others dog owners about how to train dogs? Better find a good dog training book to read instead.
*face palm* I didn't raise any dog!!
I observed often my dogs yawning as a signe of impatience wile waiting for something .
I hope not filming the important areas of the room, e.g. the projection, does not represent the quality of education @ UBC...
I luv me dog. Don't mess with her! Human will beat thy azzzz!
You a newfie?? Lol
This reminds me of (THE PUPPY WHO LOST HIS WAY) by adam sandler
Starts at th-cam.com/video/wqGMCyoG4iA/w-d-xo.html
One dislike.Did Cesar Millan watch this?.
Aw come on! The pictures are important here! :(
Not worth watching if you can not see the darn photos!
The belief that dogs are trying to dominate people is just so old! This belief is the beginning of many situations of abuse towards the dog and it's really sad to watch. If you start seeing your dog as a team mate I promise you will get a happier and more obidient dog.
PACK OF STRAY DOGS - GOOGLE IT- THE PACK IS REAL
this is more theory while Caesar more to the field ( practical ).
like one a professor with full of theory I. his filed and the other one, a man with skillfully in his field
I practice much of this "theory" in the field and work with dogs just as dangerous as any Cesar has ever met. Cesar sucks.
When you compare the approach that Cesar uses, it pretty much lines up 100% with the canine communication methods this gentleman describes.
Cesar simply uses body language, vocalizations, and physical contact, in order to assert himself on the dog, which is exactly what dogs have done to each other since they were pups in a litter.
If you think Cesar is a good dog trainer, I've got news for you. There's only one country in the world that has regulated the dog training profession, Germany, where you have to take a test to be allowed to work with dogs. Cesar failed it. The ONLY test in the WORLD to become a dog trainer and he failed it.
@@TheMrMacintosh test probably has nothing to do with real world, hands on dog training.
Probably a written test lol. Mario Andretti would probably fail a written driving test from whatever country 🙄
thats not much good with no pics
Why oh why do other dog experts feel the need to have a go at Cesar, just pisses people off. Up to that point I felt I was learning quite a lot. First watch all the programs, second the warning is because people don't use his techniques properly - ie they are not reading the body language. If people didn't listen to the whole fear and dominance aggression properly they could get bit given a fearful dog space that Cohen said to do - see its easy to follow good advice badly. RANT OVER
11:02 "Dogs have ears". yeah
Is his shortness of breath distracting anyone else
There's much to learn here, but I do not agree on all things. Like the dog dominating you by putting his paw on you knee? No. I do not agree on that.
However, I like the fact that you are against the "alpha roll" and such, cause that is plain stupidity, as for the ones saying the dog bit my child without warning. Even though I don't agree in all of this, I must say that in general, this is a good video.
I stopped watching because it was pointless sense we can't see the pictures
I was enjoying this until he started trashing Cesar Millan and misunderstanding his motives. Cesar isn't trying to make dogs "love" him, nor does he use violence. That's nonsense. Cesar is also not a dog trainer. It's disgusting that people trash others who share the same love of dogs and use different methods. Just teach your methods, your understanding, and quit positioning yourself as a dominant aggressive know-it-all. The hatred starts at 40:00.
+Elizabeth M I don't think he "trashed" Millan, I think he made a very important point about safety & wrong messages.
I also agree with the irony of Millan's posted statement at the beginning of his shows saying do not attempt this at home. Yet the whole show is him telling dog owners to do exactly that. A) it makes no sense. B) just by virtue of the show being on the content is being absorbed by the watchers in a learning sort of way.
Remember how the show Jackass was blamed for so many young guys doing stupid stuff that they saw on the show & ending up getting really hurt? Well, you still hear a lot of complaining about it, that it gave young people these horriibly stupid ideas that looked so funny on TV. It's the same sort of thing; DON'T DO THIS, BUT LET US SHOW YOU HOW TO DO IT & all the fame/interest/enjoyment/cool mad skills worthy (to many of the watchers anyway) of showing off with. Implication: You too could be this cool (but you didn't hear it from us, but watch us for more).
I like to watch Cesar work with dogs, & many times I am enlightened or agree with his technique, BUT not always. I too have seen him do things I thought quite questionable.
I agree completely with Coran on the Alpha Roll being a poor decision & only creates fertile ground for setting the scene for more battles of will by enagaging instead of solving. It wins no battles but only puts you a step behind in your goal.
+MBP GOOD DOG INFO/VID'S Also, and I repeat that I do like to watch Millan, I would think that it's good to remember that once one reaching a certain celeb status with hundreds of thousands adoring you, you might start to eat it up a little. How could you not? He's called the Dog Whisperer.
My personal thought in looking at him, is that he is a very confident man. He seems to like working his look, & being seen. I.E.; he's a showman, as well as a dog trainer & he's good at it. I venture to guess that he has a pretty healthy ego going on there & it gets fed well from stardom. That's OK too, but it could lead a little bit to maybe showing off a tad? Maybe some of the things he does like the Alpha Roll are cool, & he may take a sort of macho pride in being able to do it. Although it doesn't mean that its safe to present to general public as a tool that they too could use (well if not for the quick waiver of liability statement at beginning not to try these things at home). As Coran said someone could get their face bit off that way.
Ever see a pre-teen kid watch the Karate Kid and not then see them trying out karate moves for the next few months?
actually he does use violence and depending on your views, borderline abuse to 'dominate' dogs.
+MBP GOOD DOG INFO/VID'S That's because Cesar first rehabilitates the dog, then shows the owner how to prevent the dog from reverting to the unwanted behavior. Big difference.
+Aaron Hunt I've watched every one of his programs, some more than once. I trust my eyes and my common sense. I've never seen him abuse a dog.
useless without the pictures
***** information is NEVER useless. If you have patience, and continue the video, you'll see there are pictures for you.
Joan Meijer So annoying, haha.
+Joan Meijer I saw pictures all throughout the video.
Not a very smooth speaker. But his written work is extraordinary.
His voice is making me sick to my stomach for some reason
Its giving me a headache for some reason and its making me sick to my stomach too. Weird....
cb
ummmm, ummmm
BLACK AND WHITE ARENT FLAVOURS BUT WE KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT
Bad video skills . .
Just focused on speaker and not showing us slides he is showing.
We would hear speaker and see slides at same time if done!
So we have missed out that part from original live meeting!
But thanks for trying anyways!
its obvious this guy is a SCIENTIST and does not need to entertain you with pictures and video. Everything i've heard so far is correct and you're obviously ignorant for thinking anything you haven't tested yourself. No dog is a HUMAN. We are human. NOTHING else is...
I have a doctorate degree and usually side with academics, but this guy is wrong about Cesar. I've watched probably hundreds of his shows and have NEVER seen him flip a dog on its back to show dominance. There is an expression in my field 'those that can't do, teach'.
Had to call it good at about 10 minutes. This guy is totally out of breath, and is trying to give his presentation whilst breathing very heavily into a microphone with no pop screen or filter. I'm sure I would like to hear about his work with dogs, but this is totally unwatchable. The guy keeps pacing back and forth and making his breathing even heavier, his voice is completely annoying, and his weight has him struggling to breathe the whole time. In the future, sir, I would recommend you use a pop screen on your mic to keep the "popping" noises down when you say words with a P or a F, buy one for 3 dollars and bring it with you to events. Also, if you can't physically handle all that walking and talking, cut the walking out, nobody clicked on this video to watch you pace back and forth out of breath, it makes it very difficult to listen to you. And, poster of this video: I doubt this is a 2015 film as stated in the title.
"Don't Try This At Home" That's just standard TV network crap they use to protect themselves from lawsuits for whatever reason. Milan gets results but if you don't like him do it your own way! I think we can all agree that using Milan tactics is better than nothing at all.
I thought this was actually going to be about real dog/animal communication not just signs based on body behavior. As fot cats being as "smart" as a dumb dog, how sad he thinks dogs & cats are essentially stupid. And yet we we can communicate with these beautiful animals the same as we do with any human. My cat is smarter than many humans. If you treat an animal like s/he is stupid that's all you see proving you're the stupid one!
stop trashing Cesar.you are not a dog trainer you know all theoretically but show us practically.
Does this video only focus on dominance? I'm getting bored listening to this outdated theory
youre nuts
You've got nuts? You always check to make sure they still there scratching your nuts but don't worry your ancestors are watching too. Eew