Thanks for posting. I was just doing a similar comparison for myself in the store today. I think the 25A is a good compromise, better for the ease of the C pipes (but without the nasal quality) and the core of the H pipe (without needing the extra air).
Thank you Sir. We filmed this at 8am on a Saturday morning, the day after the new Sachs 190 C arrived. Not how I normally start my Saturday, but glad it came out ok!
I completely agree - the open E and 2nd valve Eb really fall out of the musical line. I rarely played open/2nd valve on those notes unless it made a big difference in fingering ease on very quick passages. But...that was a loooong time ago :) I still have a couple of 229s in the closet - one from Elkhart around 1968 and one from New York City c. 1951. Nice playing, Steve!
Good video, but you are just driving the 229 bell. What about the 236, 238, 239 and 256 bells? There is certainly more to the Bach C Trumpet than the lead pipe or an orchestral city. Also how about the bore, .459 or .462? Back the early 70's I played a Bach C that belonged to the college I attended; it had a 239 bell, a 25A lead pipe and a .459 bore. When I moved back and forth between my Bach B-flat (37 bell, .459 bore) and the C it was a constant struggle with intonation. In 1976 I purchased a Bach C with a 229 bell, 25H lead pipe and a .462 bore. I didn't buy it because Bud Herseth played one. I bought it because it played so much better in tune and it was an easier transition from the B-flat. Of course many players love the other bells and sound wonderful on them. I believe it would be good do video also changing aspects of the bell and bore. I still love my old Bach C, but still never mastered the Brandenburg on it 🙄! Thanks for the great video!
Wythe Trumpet 238 are no longer made and do not have great forward projection in a large orchestra, 236 are for ml and m bore instruments in the mt Vernon and early Elkhart era, again inappropriate for large orchestral settings. 256 is not a very good bell in mho, Bach claims its dark, it just sounds like garbage and it has a dead sound. I don’t even think it is produced anymore. .459 bore is suited for solo or chamber, it will back up on the pro orchestral player trying to play in a one hundred piece orchestra. If you have any questions about Bach Cs let me know, I have played virtually all types and configurations of them in all era eg. Ny, Mt Vernon, Early Elkhart, and modern Elkhart.
Chicago C is the most resonant C trumpet provided that the horn is played to its designed efficiency, which requires an acclimation period because the leadpipe is unique among all Bach C trumpets
so....which was easiest for *you* to play? You sound great on all of them but there is the matter of how hard you had to work for that sound. It looks like there may have been slightly more tension in your playing with the 190 on both the Strauss and the Bartok but I imagine could just be result of being beaten to death by playing the passages a million times which would happen to anyone :) I just had the chance to pick up a used Philly and have no regrets, love it.
Great question! Personally, I really like the Philly C for my playing style. The 190 is a much bigger FEELING horn and, while the sound is excellent, I'm working harder than I would like to get that sound. The way things slot in the upper register with the Philly make it feel quite secure as well. That all being said, everyone's physical setup is different so its important to find what helps you get to your goals!
The trumpet. That other brass instrument (I think) also has a "coolness" to it. It's that other brass instrument you can walk around and play and not look like a bank (or string) geek playing it. Next to the sax which requires setup. Not as portable (e.g. an instrument you can bring with you to play as you wait for your GF or wife. Or the kids. Or, simply in the mood to walk around your home playing. VS other instruments that require you to be stationary. You can put on a sports jacket/plazer and look like Chis Botti. Of course if you kind of have "the right look" (some guys can't wear suits and not look out of place). Or, you can look like a band geek. :) Always loved the sound from a trumpet when playing jazz or pop. never understood why any one would be playing classical on a brass instrument...:)
Pointless video - trying to make a comparison with what I assume is the onboard camera mic closeup in that room with artificial reverb and they're not even all from the same angle - then hearing it through the filter of whatever TH-cam's compression does to it. You would need to be in a proper hall with mics optimally set up so the sound of the horns has a chance to unfold and then make high quality audio files available off TH-cam. This recording tells you nothing.
@@VirtuosityMusicalInstruments Does it appear I'm trying to garner subscribers with this scratchpad account? My main account has far more subscribers than this VMS channel with numerous individual videos that have more views than this entire channel has. Is it you just can't be bothered to make a proper recording of horns you're selling? It might inspire confidence in potential customers if it was apparent you'd gone to some effort to show the horns in the best light, give the impression that your store has some class. I'd also suggest hiring a real symphonic player so people don't blame the horns for the brittle tone.
IMHO. One could not go wrong with any of the C Trumpets you demonstrated! I would tell anyone who is going to get a C Trumpet for Orchestra, College Teaching, Brass Quintet, Solo Career, Chamber Orchestra, Wind Band, etc...That they would not go wrong with a Bach Stradivarius or Yamaha Xeno! Both lines of horns blend well, with intonation of sound stronger on the Yamaha and the quality of sound stronger on the Bach! Bud Herseth played Bach trumpets and had a great career. Armando Ghitalla played Yamaha trumpets and had a great career.
The brandanberg concerto 2 joke at the end was hilarious 😂😂!
Thanks for posting. I was just doing a similar comparison for myself in the store today. I think the 25A is a good compromise, better for the ease of the C pipes (but without the nasal quality) and the core of the H pipe (without needing the extra air).
Honestly, good job for playing Don Juan that many times through and sounding good every single time!
Thank you Sir. We filmed this at 8am on a Saturday morning, the day after the new Sachs 190 C arrived. Not how I normally start my Saturday, but glad it came out ok!
You're such a great player, they all sound almost alike. A tribute to your disciplined practice
Question why do you play open Es on Bach Cs? It drastically changes your tone color.
Intonation mostly. TBH I typically play 1&2 but wanted to keep it consistent for the comparative purposes of the video.
I completely agree - the open E and 2nd valve Eb really fall out of the musical line. I rarely played open/2nd valve on those notes unless it made a big difference in fingering ease on very quick passages. But...that was a loooong time ago :)
I still have a couple of 229s in the closet - one from Elkhart around 1968 and one from New York City c. 1951.
Nice playing, Steve!
The Anniversary model sounded the best to my ears. Also looked a little easier for you to play.
They’re great instruments! Thanks for watching!
Good video, but you are just driving the 229 bell. What about the 236, 238, 239 and 256 bells? There is certainly more to the Bach C Trumpet than the lead pipe or an orchestral city. Also how about the bore, .459 or .462? Back the early 70's I played a Bach C that belonged to the college I attended; it had a 239 bell, a 25A lead pipe and a .459 bore. When I moved back and forth between my Bach B-flat (37 bell, .459 bore) and the C it was a constant struggle with intonation. In 1976 I purchased a Bach C with a 229 bell, 25H lead pipe and a .462 bore. I didn't buy it because Bud Herseth played one. I bought it because it played so much better in tune and it was an easier transition from the B-flat. Of course many players love the other bells and sound wonderful on them. I believe it would be good do video also changing aspects of the bell and bore. I still love my old Bach C, but still never mastered the Brandenburg on it 🙄! Thanks for the great video!
Wythe Trumpet 238 are no longer made and do not have great forward projection in a large orchestra, 236 are for ml and m bore instruments in the mt Vernon and early Elkhart era, again inappropriate for large orchestral settings. 256 is not a very good bell in mho, Bach claims its dark, it just sounds like garbage and it has a dead sound. I don’t even think it is produced anymore. .459 bore is suited for solo or chamber, it will back up on the pro orchestral player trying to play in a one hundred piece orchestra. If you have any questions about Bach Cs let me know, I have played virtually all types and configurations of them in all era eg. Ny, Mt Vernon, Early Elkhart, and modern Elkhart.
Chicago C is the most resonant C trumpet provided that the horn is played to its designed efficiency, which requires an acclimation period because the leadpipe is unique among all Bach C trumpets
so....which was easiest for *you* to play? You sound great on all of them but there is the matter of how hard you had to work for that sound. It looks like there may have been slightly more tension in your playing with the 190 on both the Strauss and the Bartok but I imagine could just be result of being beaten to death by playing the passages a million times which would happen to anyone :) I just had the chance to pick up a used Philly and have no regrets, love it.
Great question! Personally, I really like the Philly C for my playing style. The 190 is a much bigger FEELING horn and, while the sound is excellent, I'm working harder than I would like to get that sound. The way things slot in the upper register with the Philly make it feel quite secure as well. That all being said, everyone's physical setup is different so its important to find what helps you get to your goals!
The trumpet. That other brass instrument (I think) also has a "coolness" to it. It's that other brass instrument you can walk around and play and not look like a bank (or string) geek playing it. Next to the sax which requires setup. Not as portable (e.g. an instrument you can bring with you to play as you wait for your GF or wife. Or the kids. Or, simply in the mood to walk around your home playing. VS other instruments that require you to be stationary.
You can put on a sports jacket/plazer and look like Chis Botti. Of course if you kind of have "the right look" (some guys can't wear suits and not look out of place). Or, you can look like a band geek. :) Always loved the sound from a trumpet when playing jazz or pop. never understood why any one would be playing classical on a brass instrument...:)
Pointless video - trying to make a comparison with what I assume is the onboard camera mic closeup in that room with artificial reverb and they're not even all from the same angle - then hearing it through the filter of whatever TH-cam's compression does to it. You would need to be in a proper hall with mics optimally set up so the sound of the horns has a chance to unfold and then make high quality audio files available off TH-cam. This recording tells you nothing.
Thank you for the feedback! Your 1 subscriber and 3 videos are extremely helpful, too! 😀😀
@@VirtuosityMusicalInstruments Does it appear I'm trying to garner subscribers with this scratchpad account? My main account has far more subscribers than this VMS channel with numerous individual videos that have more views than this entire channel has. Is it you just can't be bothered to make a proper recording of horns you're selling? It might inspire confidence in potential customers if it was apparent you'd gone to some effort to show the horns in the best light, give the impression that your store has some class. I'd also suggest hiring a real symphonic player so people don't blame the horns for the brittle tone.
@@brassplyer We appreciate how supportive, constructive, and kind your comments are! Have an excellent day, if you can! 😘😘
@@VirtuosityMusicalInstruments LMAOOOOOOOOOo don't be bogged down by these people you're great :)
IMHO. One could not go wrong with any of the C Trumpets you demonstrated! I would tell anyone who is going to get a C Trumpet for Orchestra, College Teaching, Brass Quintet, Solo Career, Chamber Orchestra, Wind Band, etc...That they would not go wrong with a Bach Stradivarius or Yamaha Xeno! Both lines of horns blend well, with intonation of sound stronger on the Yamaha and the quality of sound stronger on the Bach! Bud Herseth played Bach trumpets and had a great career. Armando Ghitalla played Yamaha trumpets and had a great career.