I really enjoyed seeing this new format. Traditional SFT is great also but variety is the spice of life. Also, New Hampshire has no income tax and you can live in range of Boston. Just saying.
We really are in the golden age of Turin Warhammer content. been spoilt with almost two hours a night for the last week. Love to see it! games in a solid place too
Piggyback RoR looks completely OP. Maybe there was miscommunication regarding its "Dazed" ability, that it was designed to be applied to the Piggyback Rider instead of the enemy. Cause now it looks like their price could be doubled to make them balanced, which is insane.
I can't remember which stream it was from but watching Volkmar on his war chariot fighting the treekin ROR was one of the funniest moments I've ever watched from Turin.
I wonder when Turin will drop the Starcraft micro, i feel like he's cursed with it on every game lol. He gives 75 commands to each unit every second and sometimes leads to so many mistakes like casting a spell that's out of range, immediately moves the caster another 6 times and wonders why the spell didn't go off. That and having to talk while doing it is hard i get it
This format is really nice and so is SFT! As a rare treat would be also fun to see tag-team tourneys and hopefully at least in semi lore friendly way. Keep up the good work! You have been for years my favorite game streamer.
@Turin You mentioned Nurgle having no counter to Wrathmongers but they do. Curse of the Leper from Lore of Nurgle. Overcast for 10 WoM gets you +28 damage reflection and it does some heavy lifting.
greatswords seem decent against khornegors, large targets for the beastmen are always risky against empire shooting and your heavy cav will dunk on centigors with proper micro right?
Bloodbeasts are a nice addition especially for the Chaos Warriors because you get a strong AP unit with high health pool, decent defence, high leadership + Immune psycology for a reasonable price. Armored trolls suffer from low leadership and Chaos Spawn are good mainly vs light and medium armor units. Bloodbeasts are good vs any type of unit appart from halberd types.
What if one of the things you could select was “mirror” and then you have to do a mirror match of whatever the other person picked. And if you both pick mirror then it’s a random faction mirror. It’s so cursed!
You mentioned nurgle has nothing to deal with wrathmongers in the khorne matchup which got me curious. After running some tests, not much trades well into them in melee. The best performance I found was from the anti-infantry plague ogres which could deal 50-75% hp damage to them before losing. The only magic that was ok was spirit leech spam, but that was super inefficient. As for ranged, the missiles from plague drones and exalted plague bearers did ok but even if you fire all your ammo they do about 40-50% hp damage. The best performance was the RoR plague drone which can outright kill a unit or 2 units of marauder horsemen (which takes a while).
How is the aspiring champion tzeetch ror against ogres? Feels like an auto pick to my simple mind. Ahah wish we got some Khrone flavoured aspiring champions this dlc! Ahah wish
A lot of things are OP in multiplayer because of cost. They can keep an eye on multiplayer when costing it, but primarily they're probably focused on how the cost affects the overall campaign economy, especially low tiered units like Pigbacks or Kislevite Warriors which heavily affects the early game.
Man Khornegores seem so broken in the empire matchup. You seem to have no answer infantry wise and they trade really well into cavalry too, so you can only outtrade them with ranged but by spamnming them you just get forced of the objectives.
Ngl not sure I get the great weapons rather than shields pick. Just looking at the first fight middle, he basically lost 3 GW marauders before any fighting even started - had they been shielded, they'd have lived long enough to run interference and maybe buy him another 20-30secs of control on the objective. I don't feel like better grinding vs armor kossars matters if you don't make it into melee at all.
Players need to focus more on "how to beat said unit that is problem" and let honeymoon effect wear off. Any unit that severely helps a faction will feel OP when it drops if its an impactful unit. Now its up to the players who play all day to talk with CA and change anything that is too impactful/raise lower cost if unit can be used in braindead abusive way and always get ridiculous value. I think people just upset that units punish what they are supposed to sub 1k armor and cav like they should. All in all i think players just dont like having to build diverse comps to challenge others diverse comps and ooga booga comps at the same time.
Nurgle vs Kislev - 9:50
The Empire vs Beastmen - 39:30
Warriors of Chaos vs Tomb Kings - 1:13:00
Chaos Dwarfs vs Slaanesh - 1:41:30
Semis - 2:12:35
Finals - 2:39:45
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why yall do this like bro like watch a video, this guy funny & he like teaching me everything i know lmao
I really enjoyed seeing this new format. Traditional SFT is great also but variety is the spice of life. Also, New Hampshire has no income tax and you can live in range of Boston. Just saying.
Niiice!
We really are in the golden age of Turin Warhammer content. been spoilt with almost two hours a night for the last week. Love to see it! games in a solid place too
B.O.B used sword of khorne on the main vampire blob off screen at 2:50:34, you can see the massive hp damage when it pans over
Crazy that sinking Azazel is 2 years ago, I watched it live and it feels more like 6 months ago.
Piggyback RoR looks completely OP. Maybe there was miscommunication regarding its "Dazed" ability, that it was designed to be applied to the Piggyback Rider instead of the enemy. Cause now it looks like their price could be doubled to make them balanced, which is insane.
I can't remember which stream it was from but watching Volkmar on his war chariot fighting the treekin ROR was one of the funniest moments I've ever watched from Turin.
I still think that Black Orcs should be called Borks and not Blokrs
BORK BORK BORK
That last match manpile blob was a thing of beauty to behold
Main issue is the units do not have a knockdown animation so large units instantly start taking damage. Its too efficient
Missile units get into melee because you tell them to xD
53:00 The grenade launchers were just chasing the unit you selected as target.
nah dude maybe in that one instance, but there have been alot of line of sight issues lately
Turin is a man on fire right now. Da biggest and best stremin! Lol. Great content, hard to keep up!
I wonder when Turin will drop the Starcraft micro, i feel like he's cursed with it on every game lol. He gives 75 commands to each unit every second and sometimes leads to so many mistakes like casting a spell that's out of range, immediately moves the caster another 6 times and wonders why the spell didn't go off. That and having to talk while doing it is hard i get it
This format is really nice and so is SFT! As a rare treat would be also fun to see tag-team tourneys and hopefully at least in semi lore friendly way. Keep up the good work! You have been for years my favorite game streamer.
Yelling at the screen as you quadruple click your grenade launchers, miss the enemy banner and send them into melee behind the unit.
Unless it's urgent, overcasting earth blood seems risky. Lose a free lifebloom trigger and nuked your caster game 2
I liked this tournament variation! SFTs are enjoyable, but I prefer maximum diversity of factions and play-styles
The nurglings have been feasting quite a bit lately. Love it.
Theres always that one person who believes they can outgrind VC in melee. I like forward to the chosen one who accomplishes that feat
Great Stream, thanks as always Turin.
@Turin You mentioned Nurgle having no counter to Wrathmongers but they do. Curse of the Leper from Lore of Nurgle. Overcast for 10 WoM gets you +28 damage reflection and it does some heavy lifting.
It's not that you are getting worse with tech, it's the tech itself which is enshittificating.
Bellingham is fantastic - but super expensive also. Have family there.
You should jumpscare with a scream to start the next livestream lol
Bloodbeasts count as unmark? In turnament rules.
You can see thier Mark of Khorne on the unit card at 1:30:09
I was doing some testing with sandbox and I think it gives enemy units -4 across the board. Is there a way to turn that off?
greatswords seem decent against khornegors, large targets for the beastmen are always risky against empire shooting and your heavy cav will dunk on centigors with proper micro right?
This is a sweet format! Would love to see more 2v2 on the channel
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If you've got PNW questions I'm happy to help. My wife and I moved up here 2ish years ago and we love it!
Why use Bordeleaux landing from the modpack and not the one from CA?
Somehow, Heinrich Cackler has returned xD
GG, love the new format!
Bloodbeasts are a nice addition especially for the Chaos Warriors because you get a strong AP unit with high health pool, decent defence, high leadership + Immune psycology for a reasonable price. Armored trolls suffer from low leadership and Chaos Spawn are good mainly vs light and medium armor units. Bloodbeasts are good vs any type of unit appart from halberd types.
What if one of the things you could select was “mirror” and then you have to do a mirror match of whatever the other person picked. And if you both pick mirror then it’s a random faction mirror. It’s so cursed!
You mentioned nurgle has nothing to deal with wrathmongers in the khorne matchup which got me curious. After running some tests, not much trades well into them in melee. The best performance I found was from the anti-infantry plague ogres which could deal 50-75% hp damage to them before losing. The only magic that was ok was spirit leech spam, but that was super inefficient. As for ranged, the missiles from plague drones and exalted plague bearers did ok but even if you fire all your ammo they do about 40-50% hp damage. The best performance was the RoR plague drone which can outright kill a unit or 2 units of marauder horsemen (which takes a while).
Hello, i approuve this format!
Awesome stream!! Still holding out hope that a tabletop channel can happen someday!
How is the aspiring champion tzeetch ror against ogres? Feels like an auto pick to my simple mind. Ahah wish we got some Khrone flavoured aspiring champions this dlc! Ahah wish
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Really enjoyed this
Love this format, hopefully there will be a EU friendly time soon!
A lot of things are OP in multiplayer because of cost. They can keep an eye on multiplayer when costing it, but primarily they're probably focused on how the cost affects the overall campaign economy, especially low tiered units like Pigbacks or Kislevite Warriors which heavily affects the early game.
I never understood why campaign cost and multiplayer cost had to be the same anyway
@@DIMIchannel recently they change sp/mp cost a lot
@@DIMIchannelthey aren't the same. tis nonsense
i also feel ranged units are getting into melee more often
If Turin ever plays as Slaanesh, he'll understand that seekers are far from OP. They are the most fragile glass cannons that are also very expensive.
I feel like its been years since I saw WoC vs TK
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more formats = more variety = good
A+ stream as always
Are you coming back to legion td?
Yes!
👇Tired of seeing khorngors button
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Sorry didn’t make it but I made it 2 minutes after going live
I still want grimgor buff so that he is viable since he is my favorite greenskin lord maybe a map wide black orc buff
My guy will just not cap the objective... its not build issues.
Man Khornegores seem so broken in the empire matchup. You seem to have no answer infantry wise and they trade really well into cavalry too, so you can only outtrade them with ranged but by spamnming them you just get forced of the objectives.
Missing the legion TD2 😭
Need to make sure to buy the latest pay to win units before i q ladder again xd
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That first game ergh. Playing vs Kislev can just be frustrating.
Ngl not sure I get the great weapons rather than shields pick. Just looking at the first fight middle, he basically lost 3 GW marauders before any fighting even started - had they been shielded, they'd have lived long enough to run interference and maybe buy him another 20-30secs of control on the objective. I don't feel like better grinding vs armor kossars matters if you don't make it into melee at all.
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Players need to focus more on "how to beat said unit that is problem" and let honeymoon effect wear off. Any unit that severely helps a faction will feel OP when it drops if its an impactful unit. Now its up to the players who play all day to talk with CA and change anything that is too impactful/raise lower cost if unit can be used in braindead abusive way and always get ridiculous value. I think people just upset that units punish what they are supposed to sub 1k armor and cav like they should.
All in all i think players just dont like having to build diverse comps to challenge others diverse comps and ooga booga comps at the same time.