Trinity works very well for corpse skills. Use Frenzy, GMP, Trinity, added cold to spell-sling desecrate, then explode the screen with any fire-based corpse skill + trinity. Frenzy will always give you fire and lightning resonance, the corpse skill will always give you lightning and cold.
This is perfect timing for me. Honestly I’ve watched this once through and I’m still confused lol but I know it’s just me being slow. Super clutch video! Thanks
Lets make it simple: You need to have a chance (or mechanic) to deal two different types of elemental damage as the highest damage. You can do this in several ways: 1. Using two skills that deal different types of elemental damage alternatively. 2. Phantasmal skills 3. Using a single skill that has at least two elemental damages types, with one elemental damage type having the upper range of damage > the lower range of damage of the other damage type. Depending on the roll of each elemental damage, you have a chance to alternate the highest elemental damage type. The chance depends on the difference between the upper and lower limits, you get better chance to gain resonance with greater difference. This is most easily done by having a lightning damage prefix (can be enchanted) with its upper range of damage > the lower range of one other element. We take the advantage of lightning damage having very low and very high rolls.
I did the trinity + explosive arrow a few leagues back. Super easy to set up since you only need to make sure your bow does some elemental damage that isn't fire. Great way to add extra pen to the build.
Nice Video and very helpful. But as a viewer it is way easier to follow your explanation if you visualize the examples with the numbers (talking about the part where you are explaining how to gain resonance). I had to go back a few times and listen to these parts again. If you write down the numbers - maybe even color coded to represent the elements - and THEN explain everything while showing the numbers it would be MUCH easier to follow.
@@Tenkiei Wow, what a discussion. I am sorry if my feedback was leading to this chaotic discussion. But to make it clear: I was just suggesting to show some numbers on screen, thats it. No extra guide in a written form or an alternative version of the video. It was just ment to be some feedback. I am sorry. (for the patreon thing: Guys, he is not trying to sell you a membership. He was just saying that he might (!) offer more resources for a topic on his patreon and i think thats fine. If you don't need it, you don't have to deal with it.)
@@Crestfallen2358 Yeah you're fine, idk what they're on at this point, I did misunderstand your original post as recently several other people have asked if I could do written versions of some of my build showcases, and crafting/economy guides. In this case the reason I didn't include showing the numbers on screen is because I always visualize numbers in my head, and I find visuals like that to be distracting and cause me to be unable to keep track. Edit: There are cases where I do use visuals, such as in explaining the Trinity support itself, but I tend to not do so for cases where the numbers are not super important, because in the past when I have people got too caught on the numbers and it caused more confusion.
@@Tenkiei Ah don't worry, its fine. I was just giving this kind of feedback because a) it was confusing for myself at that part and b) i am actually teaching math and physics (as a student to other students, not as a "real teacher") and like 99% of the time people struggle when i am just explaining things without a visual help, even on very basic stuff. Thats why i was so eager to give feedback on that part :D
you could also just use 2 different skills but that feels bad most of the time. also some way it was possible to use it on cremation ( alternate qualtiy ) that detonated corpsses + archmage so your hits from cremation dealt lightning dmg and the corpse part fire dmg .
Fist of War centric builds seems like a natural fit for this alternating between Icicle Crash, Consecrated Path, or Lightning converted EQ/Sunder and also want to make use of triple heralds with Inspiration Support. If I wasn't doing something similar as my current league start I'd consider it as it seems very item independent.
I tried trinity wildstrike raider on the release of trinity support. It was an okay build that I managed to get into t16 maps but struggled to scale it for bossing, my build was also unfortunately quite squishy
When in doubt, add determination and molten shell. Admittedly, that won't solve some of Wild Strike's innate scaling issues but you should feel less squishy.
oh damn, I tried it out for an LA build and never realized why it was actually working, all I knew was that somehow I was getting enough of all resonances as I was playing. Guess I should pay a bit of attention to my damage ranges from here on
which element does each of the gauge parts indicate? blue cold, white lighting, red fire? cause i am using a bow that has all 3 elements, ice shot and awakened cold dmg penetration support. so i assume cold deals the most dmg. but my white gauge is almost always empty. so im not quite sure what to do and nowhere in the game can i find my elemental dmg numbers.
Resonance procs based on your highest damage type, so if Trinity never gets cold that means cold is ALWAYS your highest damage. You need more fire or lightning.
I've only used Trinity support with equivalent damage conversion, otherwise it's just doing math homework every time you think you've found an upgrade :P
So is trinity good for leveling or no? Even with correct usage is the monster density good enough to sustain resonance? Or are there just better 4th and 5th socket options, with trinity really only needed once you have a 6-link? I think a lot of folks following a late-game POB without any kind of leveling guide will blindly follow the DPS listing for their 5th and 6th gems, and that isn't always the best QoL for their character while leveling (that might be another video subject altogether).
Having used it while leveling, and being by no means a very fast leveler, I would say that the if you use either movement skills or a QS flask to move between enemies, the density is good enough. There's also the fact that Trinity support actually uses the increasing density of monsters as you progress through the game to control the damage increase. Now, whether you SHOULD be hitting enough mobs while leveling to maintain Trinity is another matter.
You'd have to look in PoB, not at the tooltip but most likely that's not going to work very well because on average you're unlikely for lightning to be higher than cold.
That's what the Archmage footage of BF/BB was, I made an Archmage Trinity BF/BB Necromancer in Ultimatum, with Anomalous Archmage to balance out the added lightning of Arcane Cloak. It worked really well.
I have a trintity question. I got a new claw with T1 Lightning and T3 cold. My lightning resonacne now takes an extra second to start filling up so my question is, does this extra second matter if the claw brings up my dps by a good amount compared to my old claw?
Okay, at this point, I am unsure if I've ever used Trinity correctly, as I used it with Conversion + Blade Vortex builds a couple of leagues back when it first came out... I was Chieftain and used Phys to Lightning and also had Hatred and HOA with like 3-4-5 maybe Phys as extra. It appeared to always have full resonance, but I have never even checked my damage ranges and I am pretty sure my Fire dmg was like 3x my cold and lightning.
@@Tenkiei Still don't know how tho O_O. Now that it was explained, I am even more confused on why it even worked. Especially when the Chieftain +100 extra phys to fire was active...
@@dobromirivanov7310 Without being able to check I wouldn't be able to explain but all I can think of is your phys as extra and flat damage from heralds happened to create a perfect overlap. Or alternatively you had all 3 resonances up less often than it at first appeared?
I used Trinity for a while on various builds, mostly MF archers (there you can easily balance lightning and cold with abyss jewels). Also one thing to note is that Trinity has a ramp up, so when bossing other supports might outperform it even with lower PoB numbers.
I can't help but feel like Prismatic is intended as an attack archetype just like how Arcane is intended as a spell archetype, so we probably won't see arcane attacks or prismatic spells anytime soon. But who knows I could be wrong.
@@Tenkiei Thx for the reply! My defences are... "Stay inside the rage vortex and you will be fine" and Leech, Armour and Petrified Blood xD Otherwhise the AW AG i originally planned on doing will apreciate the Voidforge too! I just needed a starter and found this insade interesting build ^^ Good luck next season!
@@DasHeino2010 Petrified blood is not a defense. That's a very common misconception, it's a damage aura. Leech is a good recovery layer (I suggest grabbing some lgoh too), and armor will help against physical damage (or all damage if Molten Shell is not nerfed) just keep in mind that you may need additional defenses against chaos degens in particular as your life pool will be halved.
why does trinity work with helix if you need 2 different damage sources? like 90% of the builds use anger + added lightning + added cold. its still 1 projectile that deal all elements
You don't necessarily need multiple damage sources just multiple damage types, and a good chance to alternate which type does more damage. So like, if you deal an average of 500 damage of lightning and 500 damage of fire, it'll swap between which one is higher fairly often and work. If you have like 500 lightning and 250 fire, then it *could* still work but far less likely for the 250 average fire to roll higher than the 500 average lightning
Still make it though! After all, no one has a monopoly on information. As good a video as this is, a different speaker might help others better understand it.
Lol, I usually make these when I have a conversation with someone and they say "I'm confused about..." so I guess I'll stop when I stop having conversations about things that confuse people?
@@Tenkiei Kind of depends on what you wanna do I suppose, in general I think other things play better with poe. (Didn't say it, but I was meaning melee-attacking) So the biggest issue I find is that standing still in PoE is like the worst crime. And a lot of ascendancies don't have access to strike range, wanted to make a pestilent strike assassin, which would seem like a nice fit but dear god was not having strike range nearby just terrible. Other than like boneshatter mantra of flame bullshit and lightning strike I dont think melee is too good a place, but that is more cause of how PoE defensive layer of moving around works I think. Just levelling a spellcaster / brandcharacter is so much more smooth than melee, so I should stop causing myself that pain. :D
@@Tenkiei Dunno if Id say Rage Vortex is in a good spot, clearspeed seems pretty terrible, close to heavy strike. Any skill is decently playable with enough investment though, other than maybe chain hook, cause that skills just feels very off. Same with charged dash, but at least charged dash feels off in a fun way. And is fairly solid.
Man they should add other elements in this game, or some items that can roll it like darkness, earth, light, but maybe it a too big thing to implement that can be a disaster because the games with only 3 elements and chaos is that complex
We barely know what’s killing us already not to mention most people have res issues already let alone adding more to worry about it’s probably impossible at this state of the game
Look at grim dawn.... 3 elemental res + aether + acid + Chaos + bleed + vitality. Annoying not to mess up with at least one. More resistance types means more bullshit to consider and its already hard enough in poe
@@Tenkiei Having to cap 3 more resistances _with the progressive resistance penalties and the current values for resists_ is a disaster. However, Last Epoch is a game that has more resistances (and better designed ones, IMO) and it is very doable to cap them.
it's also sick af with voidforge + any phys skill.
Trinity works very well for corpse skills. Use Frenzy, GMP, Trinity, added cold to spell-sling desecrate, then explode the screen with any fire-based corpse skill + trinity. Frenzy will always give you fire and lightning resonance, the corpse skill will always give you lightning and cold.
This is perfect timing for me.
Honestly I’ve watched this once through and I’m still confused lol but I know it’s just me being slow.
Super clutch video! Thanks
You're welcome.
Lets make it simple: You need to have a chance (or mechanic) to deal two different types of elemental damage as the highest damage. You can do this in several ways: 1. Using two skills that deal different types of elemental damage alternatively. 2. Phantasmal skills 3. Using a single skill that has at least two elemental damages types, with one elemental damage type having the upper range of damage > the lower range of damage of the other damage type. Depending on the roll of each elemental damage, you have a chance to alternate the highest elemental damage type. The chance depends on the difference between the upper and lower limits, you get better chance to gain resonance with greater difference. This is most easily done by having a lightning damage prefix (can be enchanted) with its upper range of damage > the lower range of one other element. We take the advantage of lightning damage having very low and very high rolls.
Thank you dude please keep it up sometime I don’t know what the gems can synergies well
I did the trinity + explosive arrow a few leagues back. Super easy to set up since you only need to make sure your bow does some elemental damage that isn't fire. Great way to add extra pen to the build.
Just started vid and promise already now, if this makes me understand how this support works with first pull, it's a sub well earned!
I used this on a Tempest ice shot deadeye build in Scourge and it put in work. I couldn't tell you HOW it worked though, until this video.
Nice Video and very helpful.
But as a viewer it is way easier to follow your explanation if you visualize the examples with the numbers (talking about the part where you are explaining how to gain resonance).
I had to go back a few times and listen to these parts again. If you write down the numbers - maybe even color coded to represent the elements - and THEN explain everything while showing the numbers it would be MUCH easier to follow.
I'll probably be adding something like a written companion to videos like this to my patreon in the near future for people who prefer to read.
@@Tenkiei Wow, what a discussion. I am sorry if my feedback was leading to this chaotic discussion. But to make it clear: I was just suggesting to show some numbers on screen, thats it. No extra guide in a written form or an alternative version of the video. It was just ment to be some feedback. I am sorry.
(for the patreon thing: Guys, he is not trying to sell you a membership. He was just saying that he might (!) offer more resources for a topic on his patreon and i think thats fine. If you don't need it, you don't have to deal with it.)
@@markusz.8864 I am sorry but i don't want to have this kind of discussion right now. I was just here to give my feedback.
@@Crestfallen2358 Yeah you're fine, idk what they're on at this point, I did misunderstand your original post as recently several other people have asked if I could do written versions of some of my build showcases, and crafting/economy guides.
In this case the reason I didn't include showing the numbers on screen is because I always visualize numbers in my head, and I find visuals like that to be distracting and cause me to be unable to keep track.
Edit: There are cases where I do use visuals, such as in explaining the Trinity support itself, but I tend to not do so for cases where the numbers are not super important, because in the past when I have people got too caught on the numbers and it caused more confusion.
@@Tenkiei Ah don't worry, its fine.
I was just giving this kind of feedback because
a) it was confusing for myself at that part and
b) i am actually teaching math and physics (as a student to other students, not as a "real teacher") and like 99% of the time people struggle when i am just explaining things without a visual help, even on very basic stuff.
Thats why i was so eager to give feedback on that part :D
you could also just use 2 different skills but that feels bad most of the time. also some way it was possible to use it on cremation ( alternate qualtiy ) that detonated corpsses + archmage so your hits from cremation dealt lightning dmg and the corpse part fire dmg .
Thank you for the succinct way you put the mechanics of trinity, super helpful.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid thank you so much . New play loving the game so much and now more so because you explained it perfectly. Thanks bud .
Fist of War centric builds seems like a natural fit for this alternating between Icicle Crash, Consecrated Path, or Lightning converted EQ/Sunder and also want to make use of triple heralds with Inspiration Support. If I wasn't doing something similar as my current league start I'd consider it as it seems very item independent.
You can also use voidforge
Great video, thanks mate
could you also do a video on when to use cruelty? i couldnt find anything, on when its good to use and when you shouldn't
I can't think of any situation where I'd use cruelty.
I tried trinity wildstrike raider on the release of trinity support. It was an okay build that I managed to get into t16 maps but struggled to scale it for bossing, my build was also unfortunately quite squishy
When in doubt, add determination and molten shell. Admittedly, that won't solve some of Wild Strike's innate scaling issues but you should feel less squishy.
Spectral Helix with all 3 element types, best use because of the amount of blades that spin out.
oh damn, I tried it out for an LA build and never realized why it was actually working, all I knew was that somehow I was getting enough of all resonances as I was playing. Guess I should pay a bit of attention to my damage ranges from here on
Yep, but hey if it's working you got it right from the start.
which element does each of the gauge parts indicate? blue cold, white lighting, red fire?
cause i am using a bow that has all 3 elements, ice shot and awakened cold dmg penetration support. so i assume cold deals the most dmg. but my white gauge is almost always empty. so im not quite sure what to do and nowhere in the game can i find my elemental dmg numbers.
Got a question. Running LS Slayer with Herald of Ash and Herald of Ice. But Trinity is not proccing Ice resonance. What am I missing?
Resonance procs based on your highest damage type, so if Trinity never gets cold that means cold is ALWAYS your highest damage. You need more fire or lightning.
I've only used Trinity support with equivalent damage conversion, otherwise it's just doing math homework every time you think you've found an upgrade :P
Btw 50/50 conversion works pretty well with trinity because they are rolled separately. Conversion in poe is weird
thanx! now i get it
Appreciate your content. Thank you!
Glad you enjoy it!
i used trinity this league on ls zerk. tri element weapon as well as interrogation jewel meant i had access to brittle, scorch, and sap.
Put cold to fire on a cold spell. Add cold. Done?
Or just put it on discharge
So is trinity good for leveling or no? Even with correct usage is the monster density good enough to sustain resonance? Or are there just better 4th and 5th socket options, with trinity really only needed once you have a 6-link?
I think a lot of folks following a late-game POB without any kind of leveling guide will blindly follow the DPS listing for their 5th and 6th gems, and that isn't always the best QoL for their character while leveling (that might be another video subject altogether).
it doesnt really matter while leveling, a 4 link or even a 3 link is all you need
Having used it while leveling, and being by no means a very fast leveler, I would say that the if you use either movement skills or a QS flask to move between enemies, the density is good enough. There's also the fact that Trinity support actually uses the increasing density of monsters as you progress through the game to control the damage increase.
Now, whether you SHOULD be hitting enough mobs while leveling to maintain Trinity is another matter.
Does trinity make sense with heralds and frost blade ?
Trinity and Frost Blades makes sense, given the changes to weapons heralds less so you'd want a more impactful aura like Anger.
Hi there, Does elemental equilibrium Works with LS+Fireadd +cold add with Trinity support? with no source of exposure except by elemental eq
I thought for a while having tri-ele cyclone would be good, however maybe tri-ele flicker strike would be more viable.
I would go dual ele over tri-ele in most cases.
@@Tenkiei Oh, by tri ele, I really meant trinity support :D
can minion use trinity support?
so my tornado shot has 1800-5300 cold damage and 100-2400 lightning damage so trinity would work but not amazing right?
You'd have to look in PoB, not at the tooltip but most likely that's not going to work very well because on average you're unlikely for lightning to be higher than cold.
I've been using Trinity with Anomalous Archmage and Cremation. It seems to work reasonably well, although my build could be improved a lot.
That's what the Archmage footage of BF/BB was, I made an Archmage Trinity BF/BB Necromancer in Ultimatum, with Anomalous Archmage to balance out the added lightning of Arcane Cloak. It worked really well.
I have a trintity question. I got a new claw with T1 Lightning and T3 cold. My lightning resonacne now takes an extra second to start filling up so my question is, does this extra second matter if the claw brings up my dps by a good amount compared to my old claw?
So long as you are consistently reaching full resonance, no.
Great video
Thanks!
We did it!
Okay, at this point, I am unsure if I've ever used Trinity correctly, as I used it with Conversion + Blade Vortex builds a couple of leagues back when it first came out... I was Chieftain and used Phys to Lightning and also had Hatred and HOA with like 3-4-5 maybe Phys as extra. It appeared to always have full resonance, but I have never even checked my damage ranges and I am pretty sure my Fire dmg was like 3x my cold and lightning.
If you always had full resonance you were doing it correctly.
@@Tenkiei Still don't know how tho O_O. Now that it was explained, I am even more confused on why it even worked. Especially when the Chieftain +100 extra phys to fire was active...
@@dobromirivanov7310 Without being able to check I wouldn't be able to explain but all I can think of is your phys as extra and flat damage from heralds happened to create a perfect overlap.
Or alternatively you had all 3 resonances up less often than it at first appeared?
I used Trinity for a while on various builds, mostly MF archers (there you can easily balance lightning and cold with abyss jewels). Also one thing to note is that Trinity has a ramp up, so when bossing other supports might outperform it even with lower PoB numbers.
I'm still waiting on a Prismatic Spell Skill.
I can't help but feel like Prismatic is intended as an attack archetype just like how Arcane is intended as a spell archetype, so we probably won't see arcane attacks or prismatic spells anytime soon. But who knows I could be wrong.
what skill is he using in this video ? does someone have the pob for it, looks fun
At what point in the video?
@@Tenkiei its the one with rf and green arrows falling from the sky
I plan on doing LL Rage Vortex Berserker with Voidforge next league ^^
Hope im fine after the patchnotes xD
Nothing about that stands out to me as nerf worthy, just remember to focus on your defenses.
@@Tenkiei Thx for the reply!
My defences are... "Stay inside the rage vortex and you will be fine" and Leech, Armour and Petrified Blood xD
Otherwhise the AW AG i originally planned on doing will apreciate the Voidforge too!
I just needed a starter and found this insade interesting build ^^
Good luck next season!
@@DasHeino2010 Petrified blood is not a defense. That's a very common misconception, it's a damage aura. Leech is a good recovery layer (I suggest grabbing some lgoh too), and armor will help against physical damage (or all damage if Molten Shell is not nerfed) just keep in mind that you may need additional defenses against chaos degens in particular as your life pool will be halved.
After your video I still don’t get how it works, I never used trinity support, and I don’t plan to in the near future
You just need to have an overlap in damage where the highest damage hit is sometimes one element and sometimes another one.
why does trinity work with helix if you need 2 different damage sources? like 90% of the builds use anger + added lightning + added cold. its still 1 projectile that deal all elements
You don't necessarily need multiple damage sources just multiple damage types, and a good chance to alternate which type does more damage.
So like, if you deal an average of 500 damage of lightning and 500 damage of fire, it'll swap between which one is higher fairly often and work. If you have like 500 lightning and 250 fire, then it *could* still work but far less likely for the 250 average fire to roll higher than the 500 average lightning
I have yet to see my Trinity work lol hopefully I can adjust the damages a bit more and it will start doing something. 😅
Sounds like you need to adjust your damage ranges a bit.
I am trying to do that with some abyss jewels see if I can boost the lower ones or something.
I thought doing mostly cold damage, but just having some rings with lightning and fire dmg was enough to proc it xD live and learn
Used it in lightning strike raider and it was not so hard to balance it thanks to auras herald of ice and anger.
Thanks for helping! I have a smooth brain. :)
Happy to help!
Those GGG developers are pretty smart
I've played poe for years. Watched the full video and still don't fucking understand this gem
Thank you but I still don't get it...
I use trinity support with my LS champ.
I like self cast
Stop making the videos I want to make :P
Still make it though! After all, no one has a monopoly on information. As good a video as this is, a different speaker might help others better understand it.
Lol, I usually make these when I have a conversation with someone and they say "I'm confused about..." so I guess I'll stop when I stop having conversations about things that confuse people?
Lightning Strike.
Trinity helps in pen but 3.17 came lol
Nope. Lost at 3rd minute. I'm gonna revisit the video later.
Totems is the most boring way to play path of exile, attacking is the most fun but also not very good.
Attacks have been pretty good recently.
@@Tenkiei Kind of depends on what you wanna do I suppose, in general I think other things play better with poe. (Didn't say it, but I was meaning melee-attacking) So the biggest issue I find is that standing still in PoE is like the worst crime. And a lot of ascendancies don't have access to strike range, wanted to make a pestilent strike assassin, which would seem like a nice fit but dear god was not having strike range nearby just terrible.
Other than like boneshatter mantra of flame bullshit and lightning strike I dont think melee is too good a place, but that is more cause of how PoE defensive layer of moving around works I think. Just levelling a spellcaster / brandcharacter is so much more smooth than melee, so I should stop causing myself that pain. :D
@@Makrillo Molten Strike, Cyclone, Bladestorm, Rage Vortex, Frost Blades, and Shield Crush are all in a good spot at the moment for melee skills.
@@Tenkiei Dunno if Id say Rage Vortex is in a good spot, clearspeed seems pretty terrible, close to heavy strike.
Any skill is decently playable with enough investment though, other than maybe chain hook, cause that skills just feels very off. Same with charged dash, but at least charged dash feels off in a fun way. And is fairly solid.
@@Makrillo Clearspeed issues on Rage Vortex are mostly due to people building it wrong.
Man they should add other elements in this game, or some items that can roll it like darkness, earth, light, but maybe it a too big thing to implement that can be a disaster because the games with only 3 elements and chaos is that complex
We barely know what’s killing us already not to mention most people have res issues already let alone adding more to worry about it’s probably impossible at this state of the game
yeah having to cap 3 more resistances sounds like a disaster.
Look at grim dawn....
3 elemental res + aether + acid + Chaos + bleed + vitality.
Annoying not to mess up with at least one.
More resistance types means more bullshit to consider and its already hard enough in poe
@@Tenkiei Having to cap 3 more resistances _with the progressive resistance penalties and the current values for resists_ is a disaster. However, Last Epoch is a game that has more resistances (and better designed ones, IMO) and it is very doable to cap them.