hey, do u think a degree is necessary for today's major airlines? I know they say no but some people r saying it is preferred. Also do the flow through programs help ?
Wow, at $8 an hour I would spend my entire weekend in the sky. But, instead I am paying something like $160 per hour to fly early-mid 70s Warriors with exposed insulation, cracks, and more inop stickers than instruments. The actually nice planes are, of course, even more expensive.
No it’s not, there are plenty of qualified pilots out there, all they need to do is recruit and train, open barriers etc. The real reason that that say there’s a shortage is to entice more individuals to train and get qualified, it’s business for flight schools and it saturates the labour market.
Regardless of my financial status, I am not convince to stop my aviation dream just because of this reality. I will become an airline pilot whatever the odds. Amen.
You aren't alone Vincent, We will achieve our dreams and reap the rewards Amen. Just be positive and do the hard work the results will come ,I'm on my way to flight school 😊😊
The fact that there is discussion about whether there is a pilot shortage or not shows that pilot training is a gamble. A 100k $ loan is a tremendous amount of money I would need a decade to pay back. I always wanted to make that step because I love aviation but over the last years I realised I need financial security in my life to be happy.
To choose for financial stability is Very sensible, the industry is no longer what it used to be. It is now unfortunately only for the guys who have the financial background or the really nuts guys who can afford to take loans. For the same amount of money you could start your own business or choose other less expensive careers that give decent returns for training amount invested. If one really must wanna fly, then you better have multiple other income streams. The airline business is very volatile. It is the first to get affected in any major world crisis.
I am in india nd i joined a cadet program in a major airline . I'm done with my commerical pilot license. With tr it will cost me 100k usd. I'll be joining airline soon nd on an avg I'll be able to repay in 4-5 yrs of my job
@@ayushgarg6069 This may be possible in india, but for me the numbers are quite different. In Germany you need about 1k a month to rent an apartment in a bigger city (where the airports are). For food and other expenses another 1k. So you need 3k after taxes to pay back 1k a month which will be 5500 before taxes. Without interest you need a constant yearly salary of 66k for 8 years. And this is more than many european airlines are paying.
I spent 200k in college education while my dream is to become an airline pilot. I sometimes felt depressed for not being able to train as a pilot and chose the current carrier path I am taking. Being private pilot is not the same as airline pilot, I truly wished I could fly an airbus in the sky. I was reading a post on Wall Street Oasis about a VP in bank while not be able to be an airline pilot. That's probably my future, being in a likable office job and never be able to achieve a dream. I don't think that will ever go away. I barely watch other airline trainee's videos on my social media, because all I have was jealousy. I know I sound miserable and that's fact.
Focus on making money, it might take a while, but to be a pilot from a PV is already quicker than from nothing. Eventually you might have 100-200k lying around and you can venture off to be a pilot, if by 40yrs old you get a job you still have 20 years of career and travelling left.
As a low 20yr old going through a helicopter commercial pilots license in the UK I can confirm it is both a costly and confusing process, no 2 pilots have gained their license the same way, going to a flight school to talk over options is the best/only way to go about it!
Airlines: "WhY aRe We RuNnInG oUt Of PiLoTs" Also airlines: that will be the cost of the plane to fly it please. Everything wrong with the world in a nutshell this.
Airlines aren't to blame for high trainings costs, they don't set the prices. It's the high cost of buying a training plane, fuel prices, instructor wages, but most important is the liability insurance/costs. Liability has driven the cost of all facets of flying up, and entails using old and expensive equipment, but it has a proven track record so that help maintain safety, but makes it expensive.
It's expensive, but it's one of the few areas where the training program actually qualifies you for the job. Unlike software engineer, physicist, MBA etc. where an education is a skill and credibility check but you actually learn the job when you join a firm.
Eh, not really. You get all this training that you pay for, then work a time-building job for 2 years before you even see a jet. When you do get hired at an airline, there is still a ton more training that you have to do. From the sound of this video, these costs aren't even including the training that you need to get the time-building job.
Aviation Flight Management out of Confederation College in Thunder Bay Ontario. I attended in the late 80s and can honestly say it was the the most realisitic flight training. Our school was giving us bush pilot training for floats and skis to enter directly into a bush flying. It was extremely tough to get in, with only 20 slots open for year one wstudents when I attended. You were chosen out of 1000s of candidates who applied nationwide in Canada. Aside from tuition, which was a couple 1000s dollars CDA, I paid nothing else but my living expenses and supplies. It is an awwesome campus and the Thunder Bay airport is only a few kms away.
With such a shortage of pilots, one would think that airlines may be close to offering their own more affordable pathways to become a commercial pilot.
Money is for sure a reason not to pursue an airline career, but for someone like me who came from nothing and now to be a CFI, CFII and MEI as well as a Cadet for Envoy, anything is POSSIBLE! Don’t let anything stop you guys. I rather see people with a passion of flying, than those who are now doing it for the money and the big returns! Also, loans wouldnt take decades to pay back since airlines are now offering 150k in bonuses which could be used to repay back the loan!
I started my flight training last year as a part of the liberty university affiliate aviation program. First years tuition was just over $30,000 for classes and my PPL. I finished my first year and began at ATP in September. When I’m all set and done I’ll be out of about $100,000.
Well wanted this all my life I am 22 and still trying to find the funding but i don't think I can endure the learning after all that i had been gone through
Don’t worry about that. It’s different when you enjoy what you’re learning. School gave me good study habits that allowed me to succeed in flight training.
A 2 hr flight lesson costs me 500-600 dollars. 2 hrs! I go to an airport nearby, do a few traffic patterns, come back, and boom that's how much I have to pay! I'm about to do my PPL checkride and have already spent 22,000$ and that is with very few flight lesson repeats!
There's an issue with this video. 1: it quotes figures to get you a commercial multi and ends there. The problem is, unless you own an airline or know someone with a plane, no one is hiring a brand new pilots with under 300 hours with those certificates. You need a way to build time. Flight experience is the most crucial part. Factor that into the cost. Once you factor in the cost of CFI/CFII or purchasing your own plane to do time building, you'll get a more realistic cost
If I had to do it today, not sure I could have done it via the civilian route. I probably would have found a way as determined as I was. Like Kona said below, I remember $16/hr dual, $10/hr solo for a Cessna 152. I retired with over 32,000 hours total time in everything from a Piper Cub to 747-400/747-8/787's. It is worth it, but you have to be dedicated and persistent, and have an aptitude for flying and the realization that it takes a lot of time to become a seasoned pro...
In Norway, the University of Tromsø is the only government funded program intended to land students with a commercial pilots license. It also gives a bachelor's degree in aeronautics.
One thing no one mentions in these videos is that getting your commercial certificate is just the beginning. you'll have around 250 Hours when you get this typically. however, in order to fly for the airlines in the US you need 1500 hours. Currently there's plenty of options to get you to 250 hours, but not many options for financing the last 1250 hours. Getting a 2 or 4 year degree reduces the amount of hours needed slightly, but an average plane rental runs about $125-200/Hour. the 250-1500 hour mark is where that pilot shortage is stuck at.
What in the world do you mean financing the last 1250 hours!? Get one of the flying jobs that are available to low time pilots. Saying you need to take out a loan to fly 1250 hours is literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Also good luck getting hired without being a CFI or some other experience flying for hire. I hope if you're actually a pilot that your ADM is a little sharper than this thought process.
@@Matt-zc1qs Hey man, my comment was directed towards ATP. A lot of people outside aviation believe commercial = airlines. My comment had nothing to do with commercial jobs, and not everyone chooses to do cfi. Everyone knows that 250tt jobs are hard to come by. Not impossible by any means.
@@codyscott1993 Become a CFI, find a low time job, or don't become a professional pilot. The idea that the pilot shortage exists because people can't get loans for 1250 hours of flight time is absurd. Gaining experience working lower level jobs in order to move up to a higher-level position is part of any career. Aviation is no exception.
1500 hours to get an airline rating is ridiculous considering most pilots spend that time doing laps in the pattern in a Cessna 172, not actually training in jets they’ll be flying.
Given the awful terms and conditions, awful pay, and awfully high training costs, I cannot recommend becoming an airline pilot right now. Before anyone asks, I am an airline captain.
I get the bad terms and conditions, high training costs, bad hours, etc but don’t pilots make pretty good money? I know captains can easily make over 6 figures.
@@Lieutenxnt_Dxn you have to put down at least 50,000 $ of your own training to get to the point where you actually get paid to build your hours. Then after a couple years you’ll still only end up at regional airlines not making 6 figures, and a decade after that to make captain at a major airline.
My son started flying for SkyWest in a Embraer 175 after 1500 hours and all the ratings. Probably around $100,000 over 5 years. Pays better than most college office jobs. Forget college, although he did have a degree. Invest that money in flying. Military requires college degree to fly their jets.
5 yrs in paying out of pocket no loans recently got the commercial certificate stay on the grind guys once you land that first job you can build hours and get time.
There is a another way you can get your pilots licence where you actually get paid and that is join the Airforce it's a good option if you have the physical fitness and the brain power to do it.
@@embodiedbillionaire yes for a few years you are in there but it's a good way to get your hours up if you want to be a commercial pilot and it's more of a stable career than actually been in Civil Aviation.
@@climbmaintain it's a 10 year commitment that gives you the hours you will need to become a commercial airline pilot it is the quickest way of doing it and by far the cheapest because as I say you get paid you don't have to pay them. Free vs thousands of dollars I know which router would be taking.
Hi airline pilot here. I don’t do it for the money. Can’t speak for every pilot but I’m confident many will agree. If you get into this career purely on the money (gains and losses) you’ll forever be unhappy here. Get into this industry because you have a passion for aviation. Plain and simple. Never looked at this career as an “investment” or a get rich project. I got into it because I never wanted to “work” a day in my life. It’s been successful so far.
@@karaimvines1311 no, never. If you do something you really love, you don’t feel you’re working. That’s how I feel. It is my pleasure and it will be until I retire… 😊
@@gilbertobaisch3473 How much money did it take you to learn and what age did you start at? I’m 16 right now. I wanna become a pilot, but I don’t got a 100k😅
@@Superhot823 very few people can afford to invest that kind of money. Most people work and save money for the flying hours Not easy but a have many examples of hard work and strong willing to persevere… good luck with your dreams. Inshallah you can make it
For anyone in the Commonwealth (UK, AUS, CAD, etc.) countries, there is NO low time pilot shortage. In the USA there IS an ATPL pilot shortage now, but even that is temporary with the coming, planned depression. You will graduate 100k in debt, with 1000 other applicants for every piloting job, and NO transferrable skills whatsoever - lose/lose/lose situation. Lose your Class 1 medical? Game over. The stats show that less than 30% of PPL students in the USA ever get their PPL and 1% or less of PPL Students EVER make it into the majors.
I wanted to become one. But when the whole training is fully build on that you will be in a mortgage size debt before you even start working I said, the hell with that.
I’m becoming an airline pilot. I’m about to apply to flight programs at various universities, and I have my first class medical certificate out of the way.
when i was a young boy, i wanted to be a pilot in the R.C.A.F...sadly, I was told that I would never be a pilot since i was born deaf in one ear and even hearing aids will not do me any good since it is nerve damage in the inner ear. that is why i enjoy videos like this..it will always be a dream..but i will never live it..
@@st33lw0lf6 exactly, what I meant was the struggle with those low paying jobs to finally get to the better place. Especially due to insurance, there are very few available jobs below 500TT. At least every pilot I know is struggling because of the below 500-750TT. Myself included. I'm taking the CFI route in hopes that opens up more opportunities in the meantime.
I have joined the military to save money, in my country that’s good possible, fortunately. Unfortunately though, I have to fulfil my contract so I’ll be over 30 when out / starting integrated training.
I really want to become a pilot for easyJet but it’s is so much money!!! I wish I had enough and then I wouldn’t have to worry about it although I am only 13 years old
I had to throw in the towel trying to be a commercial pilot after I got my PPL back in 2010. At the time it was cheaper to do it in South Africa than in the UK where I am. Got back to UK only to be told I had to convert my SA licence to an EASA one thanks to a new directive in 2012. The conversion cost another £3000. I ended up having to just work full time as could no longer afford the fees to do the CPL course nor have the time to do it.
@@mhdibm7515 it was complicated. Basically before 2012, I could fly UK registered aircraft (where I live) with my SA licence. Issue was if I crossed the channel & landed in France, I could no longer fly that same UK registered aircraft in French airspace on my SA licence without an EU certification. France only allowed EU aircraft to be flown by EU licence holders (or those certified to fly in the EU) of which the UK was a member at the time. Due to the various air law differences EU countries had filed with ICAO at the time, EASA took over the licensing for the EU to streamline the rules which made that rule in France the same across all EU countries. That meant I could no longer fly a UK registered aircraft with my SA license after 2012. So at the time I had to do the conversion or fly a non-EU registered aircraft if I wanted to continue flying on my SA licence. Hope that made sense.
@@taridean thanks for the explaination , it was complicated indeed , I am from sudan and most aspiring sudanese pilots get theoir training in south africa or jordan so this is no great news to them , i guess one should do extensive research about such details before even beginning their training , given that they can afford ot
@@mhdibm7515 Yes, it's best to really think about what your flying goal is (e.g. airline, charter, cargo, recreation) before you start so you can plan the training route accordingly. For example in your case, if your goal is to fly with your national carrier, check with your civil aviation authority if you can train and build hours abroad then be able to fly Sudanese registered aircraft on a foreign license. If you intend to work outside of Sudan, check what that region's rules are for pilots that didnt train there e.g. the EU, Australia, USA, Asia etc or go train in that region to get their respective licenses and certifications. Although licenses are "recognised" by ICAO member countries, you may need to spend more money to be certified to fly in that region as airspaces and weather systems differ. South African airspace is nowhere near as congested as in Europe, especially in the UK, so some operational rules differ slightly from what ICAO has published. Another example is USA uses different units from the rest of the world when it comes to altimeter settings. So yes, best do some research before you start. All the best.
Even if there was an opportunity to become a pilot earlier in life, I don't think I could be certified to fly now because of having type 1 diabetes since December 2018.
If you want to become a pilot. Buy a noise canceling headset. Yes they are more expensive, but they make it substantially easier to concentrate while flying. Also look into buying a Cessna 150/152. They can possibly save you money vs renting.
A significant investment? First of all in order to become a pilot you need to pay more than 50k and it could be reach 120k excluding time build up... with the idea that you will get a job as a pilot. If you are going to get a job which is not sure your salary will be less compare to what you have spend and with time amd experience maybe you jump in a better airline and get little more. Pilot license is not a license which is valid for life, you need to continue spend money to maintain it such as flight revalidations and medical certification.. In Europe to get a job they will even ask you for type rating and have a JOC jet orientation course and Mcc multi crew cooperation which only the MCC itself cost on average 3k which is two weeks of training. No guarantee of getting a job no secure future, the old days are gone. As long you don't have a job the pilots license is a liability in your pocket which drains it. Is it worth it to become a pilot now days? Your opinion is yours.. I
I'd love to be a pilot one day. Will prob take out a home equity loan or something in a few more years and go for it. Could double my income easily when done. So we'll worth the money spent. Earn it back in 2 or 3 years.
It was very discouraging finding out the cost to become a pilot 30 years ago, didn’t want to give that financial burden to my father. It seems that is still the same. Once you are working with an airline, need to work for 150 years to pay off your loans 😂.
I think you don't know about cost of becoming doctor esp in india where it will cost around 1 million dollar to superspecialist with 15 years of studying.
ATP is the most overpriced training. I have just under 100hr left of training and spent 22k (usd). I’ll get my commercial license and probably spend a total of 30k-35k.
Then that means you don't want it, I always dreamed to be a pilot since I was about 3 years old, I'm an adult now and even now knowing that it seems unreachable for the moment seeing the reality on how the world is, how expensive the path there is, knowing I need a back up plan in case if anything goes south while training, I haven't given up yet with the hope that I will make it someday because I know I can. If you don't have the passion then it means that this isn't what you want.
If my memory is correct, generally speaking, helicopter training costs twice as much. That may just be the cost of the Private License, but I would imagine it applies to all of it. Helicopter training is not cheap.
I actually needed this, I'm 16 and doing a levels and already getting a place for an airline academy that will eventually take me to become a pilot at British Airways
For anyone in the Commonwealth (UK, AUS, CAD, etc.) countries, there is NO low time pilot shortage. In the USA there IS an ATPL pilot shortage now, but even that is temporary with the coming, planned depression. You will graduate 100k in debt, with 1000 other applicants for every piloting job, and NO transferrable skills whatsoever - lose/lose/lose situation. Lose your Class 1 medical? Game over. The stats show that less than 30% of PPL students in the USA ever get their PPL and 1% or less of PPL Students EVER make it into the majors.
Hi! I’ll play the good cop on this one. Screw the statistics. If it was easy, everyone would do it. Understand it’s not going to be easy but also understand it’s NEVER impossible. Don’t do it for the money, do it for the passion. If you truly have a passion for it you will 100% make it on the other side. (Source: me). Everyone I have ever taught who has had a passion is at an airline. With that said, I have taught many without a passion and they simply aren’t in aviation anymore. Tailwinds and butter.
@@Internetsfinest1 the industry is brutal, expensive and ruthless - hope you did your homework like I did when I was 18 - and I RAN away from the flight deck
I am in the process right now of looking for 3rd party scholarships to help with my training. I know I am gonna need help and can't make such a huge investment alone
@@well-blazeredman6187 Comair hasn't been in business for years, lol. It's expensive but with RJ FO starting pay over $100K now, it's becoming a justifiable investment.
Retiring this month after 30,000 flight hours. A Piper cub was $8 per hour back in the day. Good luck to all just starting out in a great career
Thank you for your service and happy retirement 🎉
Was paying 215 an hour for an archer, now paying near 500 for a Seminole for my multi engine. Crazy how big a difference.
Congrats
hey, do u think a degree is necessary for today's major airlines? I know they say no but some people r saying it is preferred. Also do the flow through programs help ?
Wow, at $8 an hour I would spend my entire weekend in the sky. But, instead I am paying something like $160 per hour to fly early-mid 70s Warriors with exposed insulation, cracks, and more inop stickers than instruments. The actually nice planes are, of course, even more expensive.
The training cost is the real reason behind the pilot's shortage
Agree. Training to become a pilot is just too expensive. No matter how you look at it.
The airlines should subsidize
true
No it’s not, there are plenty of qualified pilots out there, all they need to do is recruit and train, open barriers etc. The real reason that that say there’s a shortage is to entice more individuals to train and get qualified, it’s business for flight schools and it saturates the labour market.
I disagree with u can u elaborator more@@richarddastardly6845
Regardless of my financial status, I am not convince to stop my aviation dream just because of this reality. I will become an airline pilot whatever the odds. Amen.
Researching myself and want to achieve it but these comments making me think if its worth it
@@ChosenVessel10 everything is possible mate. A lot could take place every moment, so just be positive.
You aren't alone Vincent, We will achieve our dreams and reap the rewards Amen. Just be positive and do the hard work the results will come ,I'm on my way to flight school 😊😊
I am on my way as well.
I’m in the same situation
The fact that there is discussion about whether there is a pilot shortage or not shows that pilot training is a gamble. A 100k $ loan is a tremendous amount of money I would need a decade to pay back. I always wanted to make that step because I love aviation but over the last years I realised I need financial security in my life to be happy.
To choose for financial stability is Very sensible, the industry is no longer what it used to be. It is now unfortunately only for the guys who have the financial background or the really nuts guys who can afford to take loans. For the same amount of money you could start your own business or choose other less expensive careers that give decent returns for training amount invested. If one really must wanna fly, then you better have multiple other income streams. The airline business is very volatile. It is the first to get affected in any major world crisis.
I am in india nd i joined a cadet program in a major airline . I'm done with my commerical pilot license. With tr it will cost me 100k usd.
I'll be joining airline soon nd on an avg I'll be able to repay in 4-5 yrs of my job
@@ayushgarg6069 This may be possible in india, but for me the numbers are quite different. In Germany you need about 1k a month to rent an apartment in a bigger city (where the airports are). For food and other expenses another 1k. So you need 3k after taxes to pay back 1k a month which will be 5500 before taxes. Without interest you need a constant yearly salary of 66k for 8 years. And this is more than many european airlines are paying.
@@jowi4039 understand u brother.
I spent 200k in college education while my dream is to become an airline pilot. I sometimes felt depressed for not being able to train as a pilot and chose the current carrier path I am taking. Being private pilot is not the same as airline pilot, I truly wished I could fly an airbus in the sky. I was reading a post on Wall Street Oasis about a VP in bank while not be able to be an airline pilot. That's probably my future, being in a likable office job and never be able to achieve a dream. I don't think that will ever go away. I barely watch other airline trainee's videos on my social media, because all I have was jealousy. I know I sound miserable and that's fact.
It happens, in my opinion you should follow your dreams until reach it... Ok
U got 200k student loans now?
@@jonasbaine3538 Nah family paid it
@@jonasbaine3538 It's also normal for students in med school(I am not) to have over 200k student loans.
Focus on making money, it might take a while, but to be a pilot from a PV is already quicker than from nothing. Eventually you might have 100-200k lying around and you can venture off to be a pilot, if by 40yrs old you get a job you still have 20 years of career and travelling left.
As a low 20yr old going through a helicopter commercial pilots license in the UK I can confirm it is both a costly and confusing process, no 2 pilots have gained their license the same way, going to a flight school to talk over options is the best/only way to go about it!
Airlines: "WhY aRe We RuNnInG oUt Of PiLoTs"
Also airlines: that will be the cost of the plane to fly it please.
Everything wrong with the world in a nutshell this.
Airlines aren't to blame for high trainings costs, they don't set the prices. It's the high cost of buying a training plane, fuel prices, instructor wages, but most important is the liability insurance/costs. Liability has driven the cost of all facets of flying up, and entails using old and expensive equipment, but it has a proven track record so that help maintain safety, but makes it expensive.
It's expensive, but it's one of the few areas where the training program actually qualifies you for the job. Unlike software engineer, physicist, MBA etc. where an education is a skill and credibility check but you actually learn the job when you join a firm.
Eh, not really. You get all this training that you pay for, then work a time-building job for 2 years before you even see a jet. When you do get hired at an airline, there is still a ton more training that you have to do. From the sound of this video, these costs aren't even including the training that you need to get the time-building job.
Aviation Flight Management out of Confederation College in Thunder Bay Ontario. I attended in the late 80s and can honestly say it was the the most realisitic flight training.
Our school was giving us bush pilot training for floats and skis to enter directly into a bush flying.
It was extremely tough to get in, with only 20 slots open for year one wstudents when I attended. You were chosen out of 1000s of candidates who applied nationwide in Canada.
Aside from tuition, which was a couple 1000s dollars CDA, I paid nothing else but my living expenses and supplies.
It is an awwesome campus and the Thunder Bay airport is only a few kms away.
With such a shortage of pilots, one would think that airlines may be close to offering their own more affordable pathways to become a commercial pilot.
Don't be silly, money makes the world go around.
there is NO shortage of low time pilots in USA - there IS a shortage if ATPLs
@@ghostrider-be9ek because low time pilots can’t afford to train to be ATP’s
There’s no shortage of pilots
They are. United is
Money is for sure a reason not to pursue an airline career, but for someone like me who came from nothing and now to be a CFI, CFII and MEI as well as a Cadet for Envoy, anything is POSSIBLE!
Don’t let anything stop you guys. I rather see people with a passion of flying, than those who are now doing it for the money and the big returns!
Also, loans wouldnt take decades to pay back since airlines are now offering 150k in bonuses which could be used to repay back the loan!
I started my flight training last year as a part of the liberty university affiliate aviation program. First years tuition was just over $30,000 for classes and my PPL. I finished my first year and began at ATP in September. When I’m all set and done I’ll be out of about $100,000.
I do but it's not very easy to become a commercial airline pilot because of one thing : cost
Well wanted this all my life I am 22 and still trying to find the funding but i don't think I can endure the learning after all that i had been gone through
Don’t worry about that. It’s different when you enjoy what you’re learning. School gave me good study habits that allowed me to succeed in flight training.
A 2 hr flight lesson costs me 500-600 dollars. 2 hrs! I go to an airport nearby, do a few traffic patterns, come back, and boom that's how much I have to pay! I'm about to do my PPL checkride and have already spent 22,000$ and that is with very few flight lesson repeats!
Same here man... I'm down 25k and still no ppl. Check ride is in a month or 2
I'm paying 325 per hour in canada
There's an issue with this video.
1: it quotes figures to get you a commercial multi and ends there. The problem is, unless you own an airline or know someone with a plane, no one is hiring a brand new pilots with under 300 hours with those certificates. You need a way to build time. Flight experience is the most crucial part. Factor that into the cost. Once you factor in the cost of CFI/CFII or purchasing your own plane to do time building, you'll get a more realistic cost
Halfway trough my IR training, there’s no turning back now 😬
Are you wanting to turn back?
If I had to do it today, not sure I could have done it via the civilian route. I probably would have found a way as determined as I was. Like Kona said below, I remember $16/hr dual, $10/hr solo for a Cessna 152. I retired with over 32,000 hours total time in everything from a Piper Cub to 747-400/747-8/787's. It is worth it, but you have to be dedicated and persistent, and have an aptitude for flying and the realization that it takes a lot of time to become a seasoned pro...
In Norway, the University of Tromsø is the only government funded program intended to land students with a commercial pilots license. It also gives a bachelor's degree in aeronautics.
I’m 3 weeks into training. There is only one way forward and I’ve loaned from the bank of mum and dad.
One thing no one mentions in these videos is that getting your commercial certificate is just the beginning. you'll have around 250 Hours when you get this typically. however, in order to fly for the airlines in the US you need 1500 hours. Currently there's plenty of options to get you to 250 hours, but not many options for financing the last 1250 hours. Getting a 2 or 4 year degree reduces the amount of hours needed slightly, but an average plane rental runs about $125-200/Hour. the 250-1500 hour mark is where that pilot shortage is stuck at.
or u can work as a cfi or multiple other things
What in the world do you mean financing the last 1250 hours!? Get one of the flying jobs that are available to low time pilots. Saying you need to take out a loan to fly 1250 hours is literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Also good luck getting hired without being a CFI or some other experience flying for hire. I hope if you're actually a pilot that your ADM is a little sharper than this thought process.
@@Matt-zc1qs Hey man, my comment was directed towards ATP. A lot of people outside aviation believe commercial = airlines.
My comment had nothing to do with commercial jobs, and not everyone chooses to do cfi. Everyone knows that 250tt jobs are hard to come by. Not impossible by any means.
@@codyscott1993 Become a CFI, find a low time job, or don't become a professional pilot. The idea that the pilot shortage exists because people can't get loans for 1250 hours of flight time is absurd.
Gaining experience working lower level jobs in order to move up to a higher-level position is part of any career. Aviation is no exception.
1500 hours to get an airline rating is ridiculous considering most pilots spend that time doing laps in the pattern in a Cessna 172, not actually training in jets they’ll be flying.
A specific amount of those 1500 hrs need to be turbine engine time,
Thank you for this video, this is actually my dream but my parents wont let me do it, hope to be in the skies one day regardless
Why?
@@ehsanmikaeili9315 they fear that the job is too risky for my life
@@nmesomaonumaegbu6208 well it’s your life, your parents can’t decide what you want to do with it
Being a taxi driver is more risky.
I really want to become a pilot but my parents don’t support me and I don’t think I would get qualified but I’m going to try my best and see
Given the awful terms and conditions, awful pay, and awfully high training costs, I cannot recommend becoming an airline pilot right now. Before anyone asks, I am an airline captain.
I get the bad terms and conditions, high training costs, bad hours, etc but don’t pilots make pretty good money? I know captains can easily make over 6 figures.
@@Lieutenxnt_Dxn you have to put down at least 50,000 $ of your own training to get to the point where you actually get paid to build your hours. Then after a couple years you’ll still only end up at regional airlines not making 6 figures, and a decade after that to make captain at a major airline.
@@Lieutenxnt_Dxn less than 1% of student pilots EVER make it into the majors and high figures.
I'm an airline pilot too, and I'm not gonna let my children get into aviation. So ya there's my take.
@@yatinawaal6682 amen brother. Me neither
My son started flying for SkyWest in a Embraer 175 after 1500 hours and all the ratings. Probably around $100,000 over 5 years. Pays better than most college office jobs. Forget college, although he did have a degree. Invest that money in flying. Military requires college degree to fly their jets.
5 yrs in paying out of pocket no loans
recently got the commercial certificate
stay on the grind guys once you land that first job you can build hours and get time.
There is a another way you can get your pilots licence where you actually get paid and that is join the Airforce it's a good option if you have the physical fitness and the brain power to do it.
Theirs no guarantee they will select you, then your stuck in it
@@embodiedbillionaire yes for a few years you are in there but it's a good way to get your hours up if you want to be a commercial pilot and it's more of a stable career than actually been in Civil Aviation.
@@embodiedbillionaire You can actually be guaranteed a flight slot if you go through reserves
@@climbmaintain it's a 10 year commitment that gives you the hours you will need to become a commercial airline pilot it is the quickest way of doing it and by far the cheapest because as I say you get paid you don't have to pay them. Free vs thousands of dollars I know which router would be taking.
The US military is an absolute clown show now.
Hi airline pilot here.
I don’t do it for the money. Can’t speak for every pilot but I’m confident many will agree. If you get into this career purely on the money (gains and losses) you’ll forever be unhappy here.
Get into this industry because you have a passion for aviation. Plain and simple.
Never looked at this career as an “investment” or a get rich project. I got into it because I never wanted to “work” a day in my life. It’s been successful so far.
Agreed. I've been an Airline pilot for more than 35y and I still didn't "work" one day in my life... :)
@@gilbertobaisch3473 i dont get it so you never work as a pilot over 35 years?
@@karaimvines1311 no, never. If you do something you really love, you don’t feel you’re working. That’s how I feel. It is my pleasure and it will be until I retire… 😊
@@gilbertobaisch3473 How much money did it take you to learn and what age did you start at? I’m 16 right now. I wanna become a pilot, but I don’t got a 100k😅
@@Superhot823 very few people can afford to invest that kind of money. Most people work and save money for the flying hours Not easy but a have many examples of hard work and strong willing to persevere… good luck with your dreams. Inshallah you can make it
Lol😂 as some1 living in UK🇬🇧, i thought you said 'ATP' as '80p'
For anyone in the Commonwealth (UK, AUS, CAD, etc.) countries, there is NO low time pilot shortage. In the USA there IS an ATPL pilot shortage now, but even that is temporary with the coming, planned depression.
You will graduate 100k in debt, with 1000 other applicants for every piloting job, and NO transferrable skills whatsoever - lose/lose/lose situation.
Lose your Class 1 medical? Game over.
The stats show that less than 30% of PPL students in the USA ever get their PPL and 1% or less of PPL Students EVER make it into the majors.
Never tell me the odds
Positive thinking goes a long way.
@@DraxTheDestroyer agreed, but its good for people to know the truth as well.
$ 90000 cost in the US? The cost of training at Emirates Aviation in UAE is double which is $182000.
Even getting accepted is not easy
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I wanted to become one. But when the whole training is fully build on that you will be in a mortgage size debt before you even start working I said, the hell with that.
In the Philippines, it’s a huge advantage if you have “connections”.
I’m becoming an airline pilot. I’m about to apply to flight programs at various universities, and I have my first class medical certificate out of the way.
when i was a young boy, i wanted to be a pilot in the R.C.A.F...sadly, I was told that I would never be a pilot since i was born deaf in one ear and even hearing aids will not do me any good since it is nerve damage in the inner ear. that is why i enjoy videos like this..it will always be a dream..but i will never live it..
Hey dude god bless you are not missing out much they are overrated taxi driver
@@rohitkoulgupta1972 Can you not reassure people without insulting others? Terrible motivational speaking if I might say.
In Brazil, it's very diffcult getting a job for paying the training
Should add the cost, at least in the US, of getting to 1500 hours to be able to fly at airlines. That’s the real cost.
Pilots typically don't fund flying from 250-1500hrs. Those 1250 hrs are usually built by low paying jobs
@@st33lw0lf6 exactly, what I meant was the struggle with those low paying jobs to finally get to the better place. Especially due to insurance, there are very few available jobs below 500TT. At least every pilot I know is struggling because of the below 500-750TT. Myself included. I'm taking the CFI route in hopes that opens up more opportunities in the meantime.
Can confirm. Even at the biggest aviation oriented university, mucho money.
Thinking about using GI bill for becoming a pilot. Knew it won't be ez, will try.
Good luck! ☘️👨✈️🛫
I have joined the military to save money, in my country that’s good possible, fortunately. Unfortunately though, I have to fulfil my contract so I’ll be over 30 when out / starting integrated training.
Go and ask any licensed aircraft maintenance engineer how much training costs vs. the pay.
such a high investment, but I think would be worth the cost if ever youget employed and stay in the field for the long term.
I really want to become a pilot for easyJet but it’s is so much money!!!
I wish I had enough and then I wouldn’t have to worry about it although I am only 13 years old
I am considering to enter the Italian airforce and maybe in 3/4 years I might be qualified to fly the Boeing KC-767
I had to throw in the towel trying to be a commercial pilot after I got my PPL back in 2010. At the time it was cheaper to do it in South Africa than in the UK where I am. Got back to UK only to be told I had to convert my SA licence to an EASA one thanks to a new directive in 2012. The conversion cost another £3000. I ended up having to just work full time as could no longer afford the fees to do the CPL course nor have the time to do it.
I thought all licenses work everywhere in the world
@@mhdibm7515 it was complicated. Basically before 2012, I could fly UK registered aircraft (where I live) with my SA licence. Issue was if I crossed the channel & landed in France, I could no longer fly that same UK registered aircraft in French airspace on my SA licence without an EU certification. France only allowed EU aircraft to be flown by EU licence holders (or those certified to fly in the EU) of which the UK was a member at the time. Due to the various air law differences EU countries had filed with ICAO at the time, EASA took over the licensing for the EU to streamline the rules which made that rule in France the same across all EU countries. That meant I could no longer fly a UK registered aircraft with my SA license after 2012. So at the time I had to do the conversion or fly a non-EU registered aircraft if I wanted to continue flying on my SA licence. Hope that made sense.
@@taridean thanks for the explaination , it was complicated indeed , I am from sudan and most aspiring sudanese pilots get theoir training in south africa or jordan so this is no great news to them , i guess one should do extensive research about such details before even beginning their training , given that they can afford ot
@@mhdibm7515 Yes, it's best to really think about what your flying goal is (e.g. airline, charter, cargo, recreation) before you start so you can plan the training route accordingly. For example in your case, if your goal is to fly with your national carrier, check with your civil aviation authority if you can train and build hours abroad then be able to fly Sudanese registered aircraft on a foreign license.
If you intend to work outside of Sudan, check what that region's rules are for pilots that didnt train there e.g. the EU, Australia, USA, Asia etc or go train in that region to get their respective licenses and certifications. Although licenses are "recognised" by ICAO member countries, you may need to spend more money to be certified to fly in that region as airspaces and weather systems differ. South African airspace is nowhere near as congested as in Europe, especially in the UK, so some operational rules differ slightly from what ICAO has published. Another example is USA uses different units from the rest of the world when it comes to altimeter settings.
So yes, best do some research before you start. All the best.
Even if there was an opportunity to become a pilot earlier in life, I don't think I could be certified to fly now because of having type 1 diabetes since December 2018.
I would love to be a pilot. My vision is not correctable to 20/20 in both eyes though due to a preexisting condition.
Don’t worry about it, you’ve just saved yourself thousands…
@Bryan Gros - 😂
Don't need 20/20 vision
@Bryan Gros My mistake, I was looking at 20/40 for third class medical for ppl
It's a really cool career
I would love to become a pilot, money is my only barrier. I'm saying but still a long way and I'm getting old 😩
If you want to become a pilot. Buy a noise canceling headset. Yes they are more expensive, but they make it substantially easier to concentrate while flying. Also look into buying a Cessna 150/152. They can possibly save you money vs renting.
To add onto the headsets, the Bose A20 is worth it.
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Yes I have considered becoming a pilot.
Some airlines cover the cost for pilot training for example Emirates and Singapore cover for it
Then they wonder why there is a pilot shortage cost too much .
What is cost if you’ve already been in Air Force and flew for two years
I have dream it since a kid but i can't afford it, it is expensive. My best wish...
A significant investment? First of all in order to become a pilot you need to pay more than 50k and it could be reach 120k excluding time build up... with the idea that you will get a job as a pilot. If you are going to get a job which is not sure your salary will be less compare to what you have spend and with time amd experience maybe you jump in a better airline and get little more. Pilot license is not a license which is valid for life, you need to continue spend money to maintain it such as flight revalidations and medical certification.. In Europe to get a job they will even ask you for type rating and have a JOC jet orientation course and Mcc multi crew cooperation which only the MCC itself cost on average 3k which is two weeks of training. No guarantee of getting a job no secure future, the old days are gone. As long you don't have a job the pilots license is a liability in your pocket which drains it. Is it worth it to become a pilot now days? Your opinion is yours.. I
I'd love to be a pilot one day. Will prob take out a home equity loan or something in a few more years and go for it. Could double my income easily when done. So we'll worth the money spent. Earn it back in 2 or 3 years.
Way back in the day Lufthansa even paid you for becoming a Pilot in their Ab-Initio program haha
Which airlines are offering training with funds withdrawn later from earnings?
It was very discouraging finding out the cost to become a pilot 30 years ago, didn’t want to give that financial burden to my father. It seems that is still the same. Once you are working with an airline, need to work for 150 years to pay off your loans 😂.
Are these prices included type rating for usa for example?
What if you have studied a degree to become a pilot will you need to pay for anything
Or... Hear me out... How about we let the pilot shortage get to a desperate point for the airlines till they start offering scholarships?
Yes
Lol “ATP” and “reputable” in the same sentence is pretty funny.
Νow with the fuel cost rising the prices will be much more higher.
I think you don't know about cost of becoming doctor esp in india where it will cost around 1 million dollar to superspecialist with 15 years of studying.
Nice
How much would it be for a former military pilot?
I was saving money for school and a pilot course, every time I got a coin or money, I put them in my piggy bank, and keep until it was complete.
the pay i think isnt the most important part
100 grand seems steep jeez
ATP is the most overpriced training. I have just under 100hr left of training and spent 22k (usd). I’ll get my commercial license and probably spend a total of 30k-35k.
You forgot the type rating before your first job. +$30,000.
Im 13 right now and ive been wanting to become a since i was 5. But idk the cost here in the Philippines
Go for it, it’s well worth it.
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Now I am giving up my dream to be a pilot 😭
Then you are not really driven by your passion. You were only presented by some odds yet you concluded already to stop your aviation dream.
I watched this took this information in. Don’t give up now. I am pretty scared of the cost but if you’re passionate then keep going.
Then that means you don't want it, I always dreamed to be a pilot since I was about 3 years old, I'm an adult now and even now knowing that it seems unreachable for the moment seeing the reality on how the world is, how expensive the path there is, knowing I need a back up plan in case if anything goes south while training, I haven't given up yet with the hope that I will make it someday because I know I can. If you don't have the passion then it means that this isn't what you want.
@@optimusprime4443 I really have a passion since childhood to be a pilot but seeing the cost it really freaks me out, that's the problem
Can we become a pilot at the age of 25 years old or is it too late at that age, you had to think about it before.
you can become a pilot in your 50s if you have $$$$ and can pass a medical.
How much need to 1500 hours pilot?
answer to Question: Yes!
Does it cost the same for helicopter PPS ?
If my memory is correct, generally speaking, helicopter training costs twice as much.
That may just be the cost of the Private License, but I would imagine it applies to all of it. Helicopter training is not cheap.
I actually needed this, I'm 16 and doing a levels and already getting a place for an airline academy that will eventually take me to become a pilot at British Airways
For anyone in the Commonwealth (UK, AUS, CAD, etc.) countries, there is NO low time pilot shortage. In the USA there IS an ATPL pilot shortage now, but even that is temporary with the coming, planned depression.
You will graduate 100k in debt, with 1000 other applicants for every piloting job, and NO transferrable skills whatsoever - lose/lose/lose situation.
Lose your Class 1 medical? Game over.
The stats show that less than 30% of PPL students in the USA ever get their PPL and 1% or less of PPL Students EVER make it into the majors.
Hi! I’ll play the good cop on this one.
Screw the statistics. If it was easy, everyone would do it. Understand it’s not going to be easy but also understand it’s NEVER impossible.
Don’t do it for the money, do it for the passion. If you truly have a passion for it you will 100% make it on the other side. (Source: me).
Everyone I have ever taught who has had a passion is at an airline. With that said, I have taught many without a passion and they simply aren’t in aviation anymore.
Tailwinds and butter.
@@ghostrider-be9ek Wow, just the confidence boost I need.
@@Internetsfinest1 the industry is brutal, expensive and ruthless - hope you did your homework like I did when I was 18 - and I RAN away from the flight deck
@@ghostrider-be9ek damn, I am about to start a few flight lessons towards a PPL whilst I do my A levels.
Can say it is absolutely the best investment you can make today.
Yeah but I ran out of money during training.
I am in the process right now of looking for 3rd party scholarships to help with my training. I know I am gonna need help and can't make such a huge investment alone
its my dream but idk if my parents are able to afford its my life thats why im still alive
Seriously look at Right Rudder Kurt on TH-cam to see a real view of becoming a pilot.
Like to become am ATP
The copilot in that thumbnail looks more like a flight attendant if you know what I mean.
Wow that’s expensive
In Europe i'ts less expensive in comparaison to USA
@@c63amg81 in EU there are 1000 pilot applicants for every pilot job.
I'm not to airline pilot status yet and it's cost me $130k. Best investment I've ever made
Video:pilot tuition programs are expansive
Me having a fiery aspiration being a pilot:is that supposed to impress me?
Some of the video lol. 😂
Fun part is that you pay all that many, spend all that time in lerning stuff, and still it is high chance that you will not find job in airlines❤
Just go into the military.
Best way to be a commercial pilot is to join Airforce and become an airforce pilot and join commercial airlines after retirement.
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Nobody cares
@@heidirabenau511 never said anyone cares
is that all you care about?
just another job the rich keep in house then
@@well-blazeredman6187 Comair hasn't been in business for years, lol. It's expensive but with RJ FO starting pay over $100K now, it's becoming a justifiable investment.
@@well-blazeredman6187 I struck a nerve there. nothing wrong with living life on daddy's money
@@colonel_carlito :) By COMAIR I meant commercial aviation, rather than any particular airline. No good at landings so I won't face the problem!