The Truth and Origin of the False Doctrine of the Trinity (And Why It's So Confusing)
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- When the emperor Constantine was converted to Christianity, he became aware of the divisiveness among the clergy concerning the nature of Deity. In an attempt to overcome this he gathered the eminent divines of the day to Nicaea in the year 325. Each participant was given opportunity to state his views. The argument only grew more heated. When a definition could not be reached, a compromise was made. It came to be known as the Nicene Creed, and its basic elements are recited by most of the Christian faithful.
Personally I cannot understand it. To me the creed is confusing.
The Things of Which I Know
By President Gordon B. Hinckley
President of the Church
April 2007
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I love President Hinckley with all my heart. He came out with the inspiration to build small temples all over the world. I had just moved to Alaska in 1997 and he announced the first three small temples. Anchorage Alaska was one of those three. I believe that we doubled the amount of temples during his presidency. He was responsible for the proclamation to the family in 1995. That document is pure inspiration to prepare us for what is happening right now. The very identity of mankind is in question and it’s so sweet to know we were created male and female before this e
Life. The world needs to listen to a living prophet of God, how different our world would be.
Yes yes yes!
Jesus Christ is our living Prophet, Priest, and King!
President Hinckley had and I’m sure still has one of the most calming, peaceful and power filled voices. Beautiful testimony.
I sure do miss him!
LOVE HIM❤❤❤❤❤
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks
President Hinckley had such a wonderful, calming presence. I've loved & sustained each Prophet in my life, but this man has a special place in my heart!
It should not be a surprise to anyone that the Nicene Creed is so confusing. Anything the adversary can to to corrupt/distort the imagery and personification of God, the more mystifying and impersonal He can become to His children. It's no small thing that this Marvelous Work and Wonder is so profound, and is becoming a light that can no longer be hidden!
Any man-made doctrine is much more confusing than God's pure truth
And we're criticized regularly for not worshipping that man-made creed stating there's no way we could be Christian when don't adopt the ways of the world. Makes no sense. We are lucky to have such great leaders
God’s pure truth is his word. Which confirms the trinity…
God's love has absolutely ZERO to do with the false doctrine of the "Trinity".@@KeithDubaich1
@@CalledtoShare you're Adam/ God fits that perfectly! Bring' em young is a pathetic false prophet!
I had a great opportunity of meeting him in person. And one of the things he had said in a meeting was - you know you’re doing better than you think you are / but you can do a little bit better. So whoever we are, we can be like President Hinckley .Have faith,believe,and do a little bit better, and we will be blessed.
AMEN ❤
I read the Nicene Creed myself and I didn't understand it either. But the teachings of Jesus Christ in the New Testament and the Book of Mormon are clear and beautiful. Joseph Smith's experience in the Sacred Grove is clear and POWERFUL. Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ live and they will manifest Themselves to us by the power of the Holy Ghost if we seek Them with real intent.
Have you compared the First Vision with Matthew 16:18 and following? Since you mentioned you were looking at the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament.
Man that verse is amazing! It speaks truth!! His church will never be shaken! I’m so glad Joseph Smith Jr. Was called of God to restore Christ’s church!!
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
@haloblokbuster7991 Did you read that carefully? The first vision says all Churches are in darkness, the Great Apostasy teaches none of the Churches at the time of Joseph Smith were true, which means the gates of the netherworld did prevail, thus Smith contradicts the Bible.
@@simonfalk1337that verse refers to the rock of revelation, not the church. Hell did not prevail against revelation, it did against the people, who made up the church. Did you read Revelation 14:6-7, in which John saw in the future an angel bringing the gospel to be taught to all nations? So, if the apostasy did not happen, why would God send an angel in the future to bring back the gospel as John saw? If you had it right for the last two thousand years, why would God send an angel to bring back the gospel?
Which version of the Sacred Grove accounts?
I am so thankful for these truths to be restored on the earth today during these most difficult times🙏❤️
Me too!
Hinckley was such a great prophet😇. He had so much compassion and spoke with boldness. I loved watching media try and stump him😂😂. They failed epically every single time they tried to get him to twist his words. He never once danced around the bush, he came right out and answered their questions without pause then silence🤐. He was EPIC 🔥🔥
My Dear Sister, please refer to him as President Hinckley and not “Hinckley”.
I was brought up in an era where we show respect when referring to others more senior than us, not to mention he was an ordained and beloved Prophet of God.
I’m very sensitive as I see many anti use the same kind of reference intentionally to show disdain to our church leaders. I absolutely know you didn’t mean it that way, but I cringed when I saw it. 🙏🏽💛
One of the chosen and great teachers of the last days.
Chosen by Satan.
AMEN ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I am so thankful for Joseph Smith's first vision that has clarified this great truth for all the world to see that our Eternal Father and our Lord Jesus Christ are indeed two separate beings. I am so grateful the Church of Jesus Christ has been restored to the earth and that we have living Apostles, Prophets, Seers and Revelators to guide us today through revelation from God. ❤
Alma 11:44, Ether 3:14, 3 Nephi 11: 27-36, Mormon 7:7, D&C 20: 27-28
“I and the Father are one.”
-John 10:30 ESV
I and the father are on no ON GETS TO THE THE FATHER BUT BY ME
I sure miss this great prophet
Agreed!
Me too. I felt that he cared about me, just a nondescript member of the church. Haven’t felt that from salt lake since.
Have you listened to Elder Bednar's latest conference talk? I think you would feel their care for you.
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2023/10/11bednar?lang=eng
Why would I ever believe a man made Creed, that was argued over and changed during a period of about one hundred years, and needed a second Creed, the Athanasian Creed, written by one man to make the first Creed make sense? Why would I choose these Creeds over a personal eye witness to the nature, glory and power of God the Father AND his Son Jesus Christ?
A personal eye witness to one of satans demons? Read the word in Galatians.
@@KeithDubaich1 The problem with that statement is that The Book Of Mormon is nothing except following God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ, and rejecting anything to do with Satan, like attacking others in hate for their beliefs. As Jesus Christ said "If Satan fights against Satan, how then shall his house stand?"
But you believe this lier who is confused: Constantine never became a Christian: he was baptized into Arius heretic church near his death.
You believe the lying Joseph Smith who contradicts what God says to Moses in Exodus 33:20-23 in you're book of Moses 1 :2 & 1:31.
@@KeithDubaich1we have. Read Christ's words in the New Testament.
@@GAILandROD yet you will still trust the witness of Joseph smith over the word of god?
I love how our leaders don’t over sell the gospel . They speak with certitude born out of personal experience and as taught in the standard works. Let those who have ears to hear, hear. We thank thee oh lord for a prophet. God be with you till we meet again president ❤
I love Pres. Hinckley! What a wonderful Prophet . He always looked out for us Sisters. We were so blessed to have Him as well as all our prophets 👑
False-Prophet, just like Joseph Smith, but your Mormons refuse the truth of the Gospel in Jesus Christ and Him alone.
@davidcooper1201
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
- Amos 3:7
Paul said, Jesus Christ is the God of the Old
Testament. 1 Corinthians 10:1-4
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever.
- Hebrews 13:8
The Church of Jesus Christ, when established on the earth, has always had prophets. What makes President Hinckley a false prophet?
@@davidcooper1201ALONE???
I guess you don't read the BIBLE either??? It's FILLED with prophets (servants of God.)😂
"In the New Testament, the doctrine of the Trinity is not yet spelled out as church councils would later define it." - Phillip W. Butin, Ph.D. Duke Divinity School, as quoted in The Trinity, Louisville, Kentucky, Geneva Press, 2001, 13.
"There is no single passage in Scripture which sets forth the doctrine of the Trinity in formal, creedal statement." - Loraine Boettner, The Trinity, Evangelical Quarterly 10 (1938), 336.
"The doctrine of the Trinity did not emerge until the fourth century." - Catherine LaCugna, The Trinitarian Mystery of God, Systematic Theology: Roman Catholic Perspectives, Vol. I, ed. Francis Schussler Fiorenza, Augsburg Press, 1991, 159.
"The actual doctrine of the Trinity had not been formulated in New Testament times." - Callan Slipper, The Shifting Pattern: Spirituality Reconsidered, Theology 101. London 1998: 275.
"Tradition helps us to grasp -- as we see preeminently with the doctrine of the Trinity -- that a doctrine or idea can be deemed normative for Christians despite the absence of any clear proof texts specifically teaching it." - Stephen T. Davis, Philosophy and Theological Discourse, St. Martin's Press, 1997, 57.
@Ponk-me8um
"In the New Testament, the doctrine of the Trinity is not yet spelled out as church councils would later define it." - Phillip W. Butin, Ph.D. Duke Divinity School, as quoted in The Trinity, Louisville, Kentucky, Geneva Press, 2001, 13.
Of course not -- so what? The Triune God -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- which the doctrine of the Trinity *describes* are Present throughout the entire scriptures -- Old Testament, and New testament.
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"There is no single passage in Scripture which sets forth the doctrine of the Trinity in formal, creedal statement." - Loraine Boettner, The Trinity, Evangelical Quarterly 10 (1938), 336.
That is true -- so what? The Triune God -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- which the doctrine of the Trinity *describes* are Present throughout the entire scriptures -- Old Testament, and New testament -- not necessarily in a single passage.
Is there some requirement that every doctrine must be formed from a single passage of scripture?
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"The doctrine of the Trinity did not emerge until the fourth century." - Catherine LaCugna, The Trinitarian Mystery of God, Systematic Theology: Roman Catholic Perspectives, Vol. I, ed. Francis Schussler Fiorenza, Augsburg Press, 1991, 159.
That is true -- so what? The Doctrine of the Trinity emerged in the fourth-century in response to fourth-century heresies such as dynamic monarchianism, modalistic monarchianism, Ari- anism, Macedonianism (the Pneumatomachian heresies), and the like.
Would you rather have the heresies?
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"The actual doctrine of the Trinity had not been formulated in New Testament times." - Callan Slipper, The Shifting Pattern: Spirituality Reconsidered, Theology 101. London 1998: 275.
Again -- of course not -- so what? Do you find this statement to be profound?
The Doctrine of the Trinity emerged in response to heresies such as dynamic monarchianism, modalistic monarchianism, Ari- anism, Macedonianism (the Pneumatomachian heresies), and the like. The Triune God -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- which the doctrine of the Trinity *describes* are Present throughout the entire scriptures -- Old Testament, and New testament.
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"Tradition helps us to grasp -- as we see preeminently with the doctrine of the Trinity -- that a doctrine or idea can be deemed normative for Christians despite the absence of any clear proof texts specifically teaching it." - Stephen T. Davis, Philosophy and Theological Discourse, St. Martin's Press, 1997, 57.
Of course not -- so what? Yes -- that is the nature of tradition. So what? The Triune God -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- which the doctrine of the Trinity *describes* are Present throughout the entire scriptures -- Old Testament, and New testament.
Tradition -- also an element of cults -- can likewise cause a false doctrine or idea to be deemed normative among its adherents (such as the LDS) despite the absence of any clear proof texts specifically teaching it.
Oh -- while we're at it -- can you please show me the scriptures which support the doctrine of a Heavenly Mother (from LDS Gospel Topics - Mother in Heaven):
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all human beings, male and female, are beloved spirit children of heavenly parents, a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. This understanding is rooted in scriptural and prophetic teachings about the nature of God, our relationship to Deity, and the godly potential of men and women. The doctrine of a Heavenly Mother is a cherished and distinctive belief among Latter-day Saints.
Is the Heavenly Mother also God?
How is it possible that she cannot be God?
1 John 5:7 The Father the Word and Holy Ghost and these three are one.
I agree. Yet to see if this means one in body or one in purpose, see for example, John 17: 11 and 21, Acts 7: 55-56, John 20:17, and John 14:28. The word "one" in the Bible in these passages or "hice" simply means "one." There is no Greek word used in the Bible that can be translated as "one in essence or being." Thank you. "Let us reason together, saith the Lord" (rather than immature arguing).@@leeshelenberger7240
Thank you for these references!
@@leeshelenberger7240 And the apostles and disciples were also commanded to be one. I am one with my husband.
So many great memories hearing his voice again
That was wonderful. Thank you for sharing.
I have to admit, in the intro I thought he was about to say that, they do not rely on man-made statements, but solely on the Word of God. Instead of relying on man-made statements from the 4th century, he relies on man-made statements from the 19th century.
Joseph Smith saw God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
@@CalledtoShareno he did not. Pure blasphemy.
Oh how I miss this great man!
President Hinckley is gone but thankfully we can still hear such things as this.
Although you left this world but your testimony never faded, we still listen to it, so many things arising now but already prophesied long ago .The Restored Gospel is so true, never to be taken away on this earth.
HALLELUJAH 🎉
God - God
Jesus - God with us
Holy Spirit -God in us
Exactly sacred heart and sacred divine trinity!
I see you tube channels people arguing about doctrine. Pastors having different opinions and people who align themselves with those opinions join those churches. I am so grateful we have a prophet to iron things out. We can pray to know if what the prophet teaches is accurate. What a blessing!!
Such an incredible blessing! Also incredible to see the impact the First Vision had. God himself came down from heaven to share the truth of Him and His Son.
A powerful testimony from a true prophet of God! The gospel of Jesus Christ…The gift that keeps on giving!
Thank you. Not only people try to force some strange ideas onto other adults and children about their identity, but they also endeavor to force upon God their views about His identity also :)
It'snot quite clear to me who you're talking about, or whether you're agreeing with Pres. Hinckley or not
@@cumomsandcureloms Yes. I don't consider the doctrine of Trinity to be supported by the Bible. Instead of learning from God about His nature, people are trying to fit God into how they imagined Him to be.
Thank you for sharing ❤
I love the restored gospel of Jesus Christ with all my heart and I love Joseph Smith Jr. and all of the subsequent prophets for being willing instruments in the hands of God. This gospel and the resulting personal relationship with the Godhead that I have has literally saved my life on many occasions. And I know that it will save my immortal soul. I praise God for it and it baffles me that I was somehow determined to be worthy to be a part of this work. Brothers and Sisters, the words of President Hinckley are true. I promise you. Soon all who have ever lived will know the truth of it, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ. Lord, hasten the day!
Philippians 2:10-11 Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is God.
The word 'Lord' means God. Psalm 100:3
Jesus Christ is a God. But he is not God the Father.
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us." - Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
@CalledtoShare The Book of Mormon says that God is spirit.
Alma 18
Alma 22:8-11
Jesus Christ is not God the Father.
There are three persons in the Godhead. Each person is God.
God the Father is God.
Jesus Christ is God.
The Holy Ghost is God.
"Baptizing them in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost."
God and Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith as two separate individuals. I don't care about interpretations of scripture verses.
That vision established the truth. Knowing the truth, all scriptures can be understand within that framework of truth.
@@CalledtoShare I know the truth.
John 17:17 Thy word is truth.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me.
Interpretations mean nothing. There are three persons in the Godhead.
"Baptizing them in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost."
I'm so grateful that I live in a time with a prophet. I miss president Hinckley, but I'm grateful I can still hear what the Lord taught us through him.
I testify that what president Hinckley said is true because I know it for myself as well.
so true
This was a great way for me to start my morning. ❤
Good morning!
Amen on such a perfect testimony that would be great to hear every Fast Day. And Constantine was a great politician who brought peace by incorporating the paganisn of Rome with Christianity. Thus, it is a Holy Roman Universal Church with a Nicene Creed created through the votes of men. It's only as righteous as the many great people in it.
If you think Constantine mixed paganism to create the Doctrine of the Trinity, please just read more history. It was actually the opposition to the Trinity, Arius, who wanted to say Jesus was God-like and not God. That is more like pagan demi gods than the Doctrine of the Trinity. I hate to say it but I think the evidence is overwhelming, if you want pagan Doctrine, look no further than LDS beliefs about God. Multiple gods, heavenly father was a man before being God, heavenly father not the ground of all existence and creator of all things, we as humans were Co equal with God in the beginning, we as humans are eternal, the universe is eternal. You can look at the Early Church to see they believed in God who is not man, who is existence itself and different nature from us, who holds the universe in existence in every moment, who created the universe and us from nothing because of sheer love. That's the God of Christianity.
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Why does Hinckley say that he's glad to not rely on "any man made statement" but then he turns and says that his knowledge comes from Joseph Smith and his statements?
Joseph had first hand knowledge. He saw God and Jesus Christ. Those in the council of Nicea didn’t.
@@CalledtoShare How can we know that none of them did see God too?
Because they don't know His true character. He has a body of flesh and bone just as Christ does. God created us in his image.
@@CalledtoShare Couldn't Christ have appeared to a member of the council on Nicea also? I believe that God can show himself to anybody.
@@CalledtoShare With all due respect, do you realize that President Hinckley doesn't know his history. The Council of Nicea was convened by Constantine but Constantine didn't have any say in the decisions. He convened the council because there was a division happening between the majority church and a quickly growing group following the teachings of Arius. He is right that Constantine didn't want such division, likely because he still had the stability of the empire in mind.
Here is the thing that Hinckley failed to mention or doesn't know about. Constantine didn't get his way. He wanted compromise but the bishops came down heavy on Arius and exiled him. The source for their decision and the following famous Nicene Creed didn't come from them but a source better then Joseph Smith who supposedly was visited by an angel when he was a teenager YET still went out and conned men out of their money as a treasure hunter. The source they had was the scripture that was written by the very apostles that walked with Jesus.
So here is the kicker. Constantine being upset with the church for their hardline stance was actually convinced to become an Arian by his wife, or sister, or someone like that in his family.
The Nicene Creed was no compromise. A compromise leaves the two parties settled in agreement, but this Creed left the Arians who disagreed with it quite dissatisfied. The Nicene Creed was the clear and unequivocating statement of belief held by the Church since the Apostles first began to preach. It wasn't a new formulation of doctrine - it was the clear statement of established doctrine, required because of a new challenge to it - the Arian heresy. In fact, after the Creed was declared, the Arian heresy persisted - and even dominated in certain regions of the Christian world - for another three centuries, before it finally fizzled out in its ancient form. There was no compromise in this picture. But the essence of the heresy has arisen again multiple times within the Christian (and nominally Christian) world...
Is God the Eternal Father? If so, doesn't that mean He has always been a Father and Jesus has always been His Son? The Arians were known for the slogan, "There was a time when the Son was not." But if there was a time when the Son was not, there was a time when God was not a Father and Jesus was not a Son. However, if God is the Eternal Father and Jesus the Eternal Son, there was never a time when the Son didn't exist. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
The term Eternal Father means he is eternal and is a father. Not that he has always been a father.
Amen
John 20
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
LOL ! "How deeply grateful I am that we of this church do not rely on any man made statement
concerning the nature of deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith...."
In other words, man made claims.
Unfortunately, despite the alleged visions, Joseph and his family continued to attend Church. Joseph spun so many versions of this story years later that even he got confused. Despite Joseph's claims, nobody knew about this alleged vision for years.
Speaking of spinning things, your comment does a wonderful job of that.
@@CalledtoShare : Not really. Isi t true or not.? The LDS Church exists because of (or should I say despite) the claims of a man, Joseph Smith, his alleged visions and his writings.
Your statements are untrue.
@@CalledtoShare : Really? Are you telling me that the LDS Church is not based on the claims and writings of Joseph Smith ?
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq Really? Are you really using the same argument atheists make about the Bible?
It's up to you (the individual) to read, study, pray, and ask for personal revelation from Heavenly Father regarding his words. I see the majority of people don't even do that, and solely rely on their own limited understanding, or other supposed "intellectuals".
truth seek the Word jesus only.
Do all the mormons in general celebrate pagan holidays like christmas and others?
Wasn’t there a verses that warned against evil creeds?
Galatians 1:8-12
Same gospel
@@CalledtoShare not even close
I've read the Book of Mormon and Bible. I'm more qualified to answer this.
@@CalledtoShare the Bible speaks for itself. Your religion is a cult plain and simple. I don't know what else to say to you except I pray the Lord has mercy on you for your unbelief and removes the deception from you mind. Outside of that your religion is anathema.
It's interesting that you call me deceived when you attack a book you haven't even read.
Thanks for the prayers. I need the Lord's mercy every day.
1 Corinthians 13:8-13
Amen🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🤙🏽
You talk about the Council of nicaea but yet he mentions Easter morning. What do you think Easter came from?
ISO miss President Hinchley!
The power of the witness of two books from two different times, and two different places in history really spoke to me during his talk!! I love the Holy Bible, it is truly wonderful, and the Book of Mormon adds many precious truths.
What Kind of God Is the Mormon God?
First, the Mormon depiction of “God” is clearly not the immaterial Creator of all space and time. He is, rather, a powerful being from another planet who lived, died, was resurrected (seemingly by his own god!), and is now exalted. He lives with his wife, Mother in Heaven, who is a goddess, but to whom we’re not allowed to pray. This understanding of God actually contradicts earlier Mormon teaching. While Smith claimed in 1844 that God the Father has a body, the 1835 edition of Doctrine & Covenants included a section called “Lectures on Faith” that taught that there were only two members of the Godhead (the Father and the Son), and that the Father was a “personage of spirit” and the Son had a body (in their words, “was a personage of tabernacle”). These lectures were cowritten by Smith and unanimously approved in 1835. Yet by 1844, a third person had joined the Godhead-the Holy Spirit-and the Father was suddenly a personage of flesh, not just spirit.
Mormon theology got stranger after Smith died, and he was replaced as prophet by Brigham Young. Young claimed that we ought to worship only one god: Adam. According to Young, This idea, called the Adam-God doctrine, was later condemned by the LDS Church as “false doctrine,” although Mormons continue to venerate the originator of the heresy, Brigham Young, as a true prophet.
Fascinatingly, Young damned all of those who reject the Adam-God doctrine, insisting that “Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation.”
Where does all of this leave Jesus? As mentioned, the public relations side of the LDS church stresses the centrality of Jesus. This is behind the Mormon church’s move to get everyone to call it “the LDS Church” and distance itself from the word “Mormon.” But again, if you dig deeper, a different picture emerges. Although the LDS Church’s Newsroom creates material suggesting that they worship Jesus Christ, talks given to LDS audiences sound a different note. For instance, the Apostle Bruce R. McConkie spoke to a Mormon audience in 1982 on the doctrines that “must be understood in order to gain eternal life.” First and foremost was the fact that “we worship the Father and him only and no one else.” In McConkie’s words,
we do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshiping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense-the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.
For these and many other reasons, it’s clear that the Mormon conception of God differs in kind (rather than degree) from what mainstream Christians believe. Rather than simply different beliefs about the same God, these seem to be beliefs about radically different gods.
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I can understand why he found the council. When I see it to be disturbing, it is because They fought against heresies much similar to his. It was not Constantine who assembled the council. It was other members from across the globe. Who had decided to come together to fight aryanism.
yes, it was Constantine. he combined Christianity with pagan religions to create the catholic church.
So, how many supreme beings are there?
That we have to do with? Three.
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us." - Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
@@CalledtoShare how can you have more than one supreme being, the clue is in the word 'supreme', above all others?
I’ve bought multiple chalupa supremes
@@CalledtoShareyes, and what do they all share? They share the same essence, they are all 'one' thing, they all share the same 'being', otherwise they aren't a chalupa supreme. Therefore the distinction of The Father, and The Son being seperate 'beings' is false. It would be like saying you had two seperate infinite pieces of string, you couldn't, you have one infinite piece of string, because the 'category' of 'being' is identical and singular.
The Trinity makes no sense and is not Biblical.
When you die you will hug [God / Heavenly Father / Elohim] and then you will turn and hug [Jesus / Son of God / Jehovah]
When you do come find me and I want a hug too.
This would have been less than a year before he died
I miss President Hinkley.
Amen amen and amen!!!
I was surprised to hear him say their belief was based on a young boy's personal experience with God and Jesus, after emphatically saying the Nicean creed was man made. It seems to me that the latter is also purely man made, for how can an entire group of people base their belief on what one man experienced while he was a boy? Do you know how many people all over the world claim to have had some kind of encounter with God?
For clarity, here's what I expected to hear: that your belief is based on SCRIPTURES alone.
Selah.
Nicean creed was a council to decide who God was.
God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith in their physical bodies.
Very different scenarios.
@@CalledtoShare God the Father now has a physical body?
I tell you indeed, no one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, however, has declared/explained God to us. (Jn.1:18)
Also, it wasn't a council to decide who God was. It was a council to confirm and establish what various Christian leaders had believed, due to the infiltrating opposing beliefs of Arius, who was beginning to teach that Jesus was created and not co-eternal with the rest of the Godhead.
Steph saw God. Acts 7.
God the Father and the Son Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith. There were two personages that descended from heaven. This is pure truth.
When you die, God will give you a hug. He will then point to his son, and you will hug Jesus as well. It will blow your mind and will be so glad that you were wrong. They love you.
@@CalledtoShare That's an interesting scripture you've cited.
I'll be glad to study it again.
Thanks
The book of mormon speak about the trinity,
You can interpret it that way if that's what you want to see.
The trinity is a false doctrine.
The oneness / unity of the Godhead isn't.
What about the words of God directly from Joseph Smith's mouth? D&C 20: 27-28
He who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
One in purpose, unified, all on the same team is what this means.
Having seen God the Father and Jesus Christ and knowing their true nature, this oneness describe by Joseph Smith was clearly of unity.
Joseph knew the truth.
The trinity makes no sense.
Jesus mentioned that same oneness with God in the Bible, and then prayed that his disciples would be one with him as the Father is. Did he want us to all be one entity? That doesn't make any sense.
They are "one God" in the sense that we only worship them and no others, and when we worship or listen to one we listen to all three. They are one in purpose. And they all agree, and teach us how to worship in spirit and in truth.
@@CalledtoShare Ether 3:14?
@@ramsrnja Ether 3:14?
If I get my own planet will I need a christ to save my planet?? Seriously asking.
No idea.
I’m grateful for living prophets and apostles! I thank Thee Father for sending them again.
Amen!
Guess it depends what version of the vision you go off of? And I also find his teachings from the King Follet Discourse confusing. Or how about Brigham Young’s Adam-God doctrine. No it wasn’t a “theory”. He literally believed it. Sorry sir but you can’t cherry pick what aspects you like & which ones you don’t like.
comment: Thankful Heavenly Father he will put the whole armor just for Sophie and I know he loves me. I know I live with him forever and his son and I know that I my heavenly father know that he will build my own throne just for me. I know sit by him and son Jesus Christ I know this gospel true
The Nicaea Creed was not a compromise but the result of Christ’s promise that the Holy Spirit would infallibly guide His Church into all truth.
The Trinity is not truth and is confusing.
It is a false doctrine.
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us." - Doctrine and Covenants 130: 22
@@CalledtoShare Mormon doctrine is contradictory. If God is an Eternal Father, then He must always have had a Son - otherwise His fatherhood would not be eternal but have a beginning. Therefore we can be confident that the Son is co-eternal with the Father. We can also be confident that this Son in His Divine Nature does not have a body, but acquired a body when He became man in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary, as it is written: the Word Who was With God and Is God became flesh. Since the Word became flesh, He must not have had flesh before.
If God the Father has a body, how can He be eternal and unchanging?
This man states that Jesus is the creator of the earth. Yes indeed, but creator of the universe as well, for all things - planets, galaxies, men and angels - were created through Him and for Him.
The “other sheep not of this fold” refers to all gentiles, not just those in the Americas. The doctrine that the risen Christ appeared personally to ancient native Americans was invented by Joseph Smith and has no basis in reality.
In actuality Jesus Christ continues to be present and active in His body the Church of which He is the Head. It was and is through His authorized Church the true Gospel is being proclaimed.
Of course the doctrine of the Trinity is “confusing” or rather beyond the scope of merely human intellect. My dog has a better chance at understanding a Shakespearian soliloquy than I have of understanding God. That’s why we need the gift of faith.
Incorrect interpretation.
Eternal = he's always been
Father = he became a father.
Eternal Father.
A God that has always existed and is now a father.
@@CalledtoShare While your interpretation is possible, it’s not likely. The speaker claims that “Joseph Smith spoke with God the Eternal Father.”
Eternal: adjective, without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing
Father: noun, a male parent.
Following the normal rules of English grammar, “eternal” modifies “father” in this sentence, not “God.”
Perhaps he misspoke and meant to say “Joseph Smith spoke with the Eternal God who became a father,” which would fit what you’re telling me; but he didn’t. One would expect the President of the Latter-Day Saints to speak with greater precision.
Consider this, taken from a Mormon source:
“God the Father is the Supreme Being in whom we believe, whom we worship, and to whom we pray. He is the ultimate Creator, Ruler, and Preserver of all things. He is perfect, has all power, and knows all things. He “has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's” (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22).”
Notice it says “God the Father is the Supreme Being.” It does not say “God is the Supreme Being who at some point became a father.” So again, if what you say is true, the lack of clarity is misleading.
But Mormon doctrine raises other serious problems. For example: God has a body of flesh and bones, does he need to eat and drink to subsist? Does his hair and beard grow? Who’s his barber? Does he use a lavatory?
A being that can change by definition would not be perfect or eternal. Every change in a being - like going from being not a father to being a father - necessitates going to a state that is either more or less perfect than the previous state. Such a being cannot be God.
My interpretation is possible and it is correct.
I understand your explanation and it makes sense, but it's not true.
Not true as he said to the 500 preach the gospel and they did ?
What part is not true?
Joseph??
Can I help clarify anything?
Who is this man? What does he represent? Is he a Jehovah's witness? is he a Mormon?
He was past prophet and President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. His name is Gordon B. Hinckley.
0:59 "How deeply grateful I am that we of this church do not rely on any man made statement concerning the nature of deity. Our knowledge comes from the personal (man made) experience of (the man) Joseph Smith.
Right -- we rely on the (man-made) statements of Joseph Smith.
I've never seen this false doctrine so confidently -- and deadly -- stated as it is here. The closer we come to the time when all Truth shall be known, the more intently we see falsehood asserted and re-asserted.
Everything we have today in Christianity is technically “man-made.” Even the scriptures, though inspired by the Holy Ghost, were written and recorded by mortal men, in faulty and limited “man-made” language. Will you make the same argument against the Holy Bible because the writers were mere mortal men? I don’t think so.
The point of the statement was not that men were uninvolved in the process of revelation, but rather that those men did not do it *alone.* They were *inspired* by the Holy Spirit, and *led* by Jesus Christ Himself.
"How deeply grateful I am that we of this church do not rely on any man made (unaided by the Spirit) statement concerning the nature of deity. Our knowledge (of the nature of God) comes from the personal (inspired, meaning God-aided) experience of (the imperfect, mortal man) Joseph Smith.”
(The knowledge of God we have today came because of the *interpersonal* relationship that developed and was cultivated between the man Joseph Smith and His Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.)
Wow, I am amazed and sad. How little I know about the church of latter days… I’ve been baptized and became a member has been two years and I didn’t know that the church denied the sacred trinity!
I believe in the trinity with all my mind and all my heart and all my soul and I know it is true as much as I know that Jesus is our savior the beloved son of our wonderful God of Israel!
What do you think the Trinity is? Let’s make sure we are talking about the same thing.
God's many lords many HA even the bofm does not agree with this !!
Where does it disagree with it?
We should not obey the word of man, but the word of God alone. The Bible is the only authority. Edit: Joseph Smith was not apart of writing the Bible therefore anything he says is not of God.
Jesus Christ is only the
Son of God
He is the firstborn.
@@CalledtoShare
Son of God isn't the Father or Holy Spirit
Father isn't the Son or Holy Spirit
Holy Spirit isn't the Father or the
Son of God 🙌🙏🙌🕊️🙏
Correct; they are all separate beings.
So the Nicene Creed made by men cannot be replied upon, but your belief is based on Joseph Smith???? Seriously
Joseph’s Smith witness. The Father and the Son literally descended from heaven. Awesome.
Not a compromise of men sitting in a room arguing over opinions and conflicting biblical text.
That's a strawman argument. In Acts 15, the apostles and elders had a council meeting to discuss what to do with false teachings regarding the need for circumcision to be saved.
I believe there would have been arguments there, though orderly, too.
One person did not come from somewhere and claim God spoke to him directly or that he had an encounter with God. They had a council meeting.
If the apostles of Jesus had a council meeting to clarify salvific concepts, I'm gonna choose that over one man's acclaimed personal experience.
In fact, after the apostle Paul's personal encounter with Jesus Christ. He ensured to go back to the Lord's first apostles who then gave him the right hand of fellowship. He didn't go around teaching what the apostles would have considered heretic. They all came to the conclusion that his revelation was indeed of God.
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christians give credence to a council of men coming together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. Modalism: One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! If Christians needed to believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, then it would be taught in the New Testament by our Lord and Savior, and it, the Trinity, was not taught in the New Testament. The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men. The Son of God declared: “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). YAH is the meaning of I AM. By this statement, Christ told the Jews that He is their God, the very God of Israel. Not to take this statement as true in that He, the Son of God, is lesser than His Father and God is tantamount to calling Him a liar. Based on everything presented here, the statement by churches that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved is the highest form of legalism.
Koo-koo for cocoa puffs. The fact that mormons deny the Trinity proves that mormonism is a false religion and they are not even Christians. The Trinity is all over the New Testament,
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.
2 Corinthians 13:14 - The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
Isaiah 48:16; Luke 4:8
Does our first article of faith teach the Trinity? No. Neither does the Book of Mormon or the Bible. There is no teaching that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit dwell in one essence. Those verses you mentioned don't teach the Trinity because there is no mention of the concept of the 3 in 1 essence. That mention would definitely question my faith, and yet it stands as is.
John 10:30 doesn't mean that the Father and Son are one in essence but in purpose and unity. The same is mentioned when Jesus talks of his disciples in John 17:19-23: "And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." Is this saying that the Father and Son are inviting us to combine our essence into theirs? No it is saying that we should align our wills with God to be aligned with him so that we may be united in one. UNITY NOT TRINITY.
The Trinity, the 3 in 1 concept of confusion is not biblical nor logical. This is one of the creeds Christ would count when he mentioned that "all their creeds were an abomination in his sight."
This does not make Christ less of a being, king, or savior he is supposed to be. As Paul the Apostle wrote in his epistle to the Philippians Chapter 2:5-12, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
I bless you that you may continue to read your scriptures and to ponder it's sacred messages in your heart, that you may know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent. Who was God (Jehovah) from the beginning, the great "I am."
the Trinity can be interpreted, but that does not make it true. Even Satanists use the Bible to show that Satan was good and God is bad.
The fact is, the "trinity" was invented by a group of pre-catholics who misinterpreted the words of the Apostles and twisted the doctrine and broke the everlasting covenant. Why do you think so many "christians" needed to reform the original church? Because it was completely apostate.
I have always wanted to ask, if christ had a body and it was resurrected and glorified....where is it now? Did god leave the body and hide it on earth somewhere? Or take it to heaven and hang it up?
That's why the trinity makes no sense at all. We are made in the image of god. That is truth. God has a body, jesus christ has a body and the holy ghost does not so as to dwell within us. I do not believe in a blob in the sky that encompasses the universe. I do believe in my heavenly father though.
Mathew 28:19 was "doctored" to suit the pagan trinity lie the original text said "Go and make disciples of all nations in my name.”
I have never even read the creeds. I don’t even know what they say lol. I just read scripture, and I see God represented ans three in one all through the Bible! Sighting Constantine as proof that this doctrine is false is an ad hominem fallacy. Arguing against a doctrine on the basis of who has supported it. Read the Bible and leave everything else behind folks. God’s Word is as unique and superior as its Author!
The LDS Church isn’t manmade. It’s just based on a boys conversation with a vision. Got it. BTW much of what Hinckley said about the Council of Nicaea is wrong.
What is wrong?
Jesus died because He claimed to be God (Theon not Elohim). NO “I AM” CLAIM=NO CALVARY.
Below He claims to be both the Son and God…and the Jews ordered Him killed by Pilate for this claim (John 19:7).
John 10:30-33
“I and the Father are one.”
The Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?”
The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
Ask yourself, “Am I trying to win an argument, or uphold or a bias, or am I doing what Christians are called to do-search the scriptures for themselves?”
President Hinckley is wrong. The Nicean Creed was not created out of anger. It was done peacefully and prayerfully. Without the Nicean Creed, it would impossible for Joseph Smith to testify to the divinity of Jesus Christ.
Thank God not just that I know the trinity is manmade, but that I am not super judgemental of trinitarian believers. Same that completely judge us. Deeming us not Christian for disbelieving something the holy bible says absolutely nothing about. I already asked God for truth and have had very long enough years experience to know whether I'm Christian and really believe in God correctly. I thank God I know the book of Mormon is true just as I know God created both sides of the world.
Is that your judgment?
@@Elizabeth-rk3do It's my honest belief. I still let God rather than man decide who really believes what.
1:01 You don't rely on any man made statement regarding the diety. Except the man Joseph Smith.
Do you not see the contradiction of what you just said!?! 😆😅😂🤣😅😇
There’s a difference between a man-made statement and a statement made by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Surely you must realize that.
Man made versus prophet made, prophet = mouthpiece of the Lord.
There's a difference between debating who God is and compromising on the doctrine of the Trinity and Joseph Smith saying "I saw them. They are separate individuals."
I understand what you are saying though.
Either Joseph Smith had this experience, or he didn't.
What did NOT happen was Joseph counseling with a bunch of friends to decide on God's true nature.
"So, in accordance with this, my determination to ask of God, I retired to the woods to make the attempt. It was on the morning of a beautiful, clear day, early in the spring of eighteen hundred and twenty. It was the first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for amidst all my anxieties I had never as yet made the attempt to pray vocally.
After I had retired to the place where I had previously designed to go, having looked around me, and finding myself alone, I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart to God. I had scarcely done so, when immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I could not speak. Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction.
But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction-not to an imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being-just at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me.
It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other-This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!"
Actually Paul and the other apostles all talk about the Father and Son as if they are separate individuals. It's not just Joseph Smith.
The Bible still never teaches the Trinity - unless you discard lots of scripture, like Stephen's vision, Christ's call for oneness with his disciples, Jesus's baptism, His praying, etc...
It was bishops who attended the council of Nicaea, interesting this is never mentioned by Mormons. And the council was called to determine whether Jesus was fully divine or created as the Arians were claiming. The mormon false prophet in this clip did not even address the issues or answer the questions the council sought to. He just stated he does not understand the creed so it must be false. Well as an ignoramus who has never read the writings of those at the council, of course he does not understand the creed. Just like all Mormons, he cannot understand historical Christianity due to being a lazy learner. And Joseph Smiths god is the most confusing. In the Book of Mormon he is one god, in later teachings there are 3 gods, and finally at the end of his life, Joseph Smith taught there are MANY gods. Sometimes Mormons will call Jesus a man, sometimes they will call him god, because they do not have creeds and their false prophets are theologically illiterate. Plus Joseph did not tell anyone about his “first vision” until decades later and in the first version he wrote down, just one person appeared to him. He never had a vision of Father and Son, just copied the other visionaries of his day and fashioned his story over time so that other Mormons would stop challenging his authority. He was a liar throughout his life, so even he could get his story straight, not at all a reliable testimony.
Joseph Smith absolutely saw God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. And that visit in 1820 is the greatest thing to happen in the world in the past 204 years.
Your personal testimony means nothing when discussing what happened before you were born. As far as what is recorded by Joseph Smith himself, why do you reject his 1832 version where one person appeared to him and accept a much later version where 2 persons appeared?
His 1832 version does not say that 2 people did not appear to him.
Stop dodging, how many persons did JS claim appeared to him in his 1832 version?
I'm not dodging at all.
If I had my mom and dad come visit me for Christmas, and then the next day someone asks if my mom came for Christmas and I say yes, without acknowledging that my dad came, did my dad not come?
Trinity is true
It isn't. And it makes no sense.
If a child can't understand it, it is a man made doctrine.
We could spend hours debating it, but Joseph Smith saw God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. They were two separate individuals. The truth is known.
@@CalledtoShareAmen. Former trinitarian believer. Bible says Godhead. Not trinity.
@@bobbq8380 Where in the bible does it say Godhead?
Not sure, but it for sure never says Trinity.
@@CalledtoShare A child and parent are not one human being like Yahweh and Jesus are not one God , it's a stupid pagan concept.
"thank God we don't have to rely on any man made vision of deity..."
Two seconds later
"Thank God Joseph Smith revealed these things about the deity of God."
😂 What a Tool
To deny that Jesus is God in the flesh is anti Christ and therefore this denial is cultic.
Jesus was a God in the flesh.
But God the Father is a God.
And the Holy Spirit is a God.
Three separate individuals.
One united Godhead.
The term "god" or "God" as used in the Bible simply means a ruler. You have to understand the term as used in its context, and modern prophets have clarified the nature of God.
Jesus is part of the Divine Council, is separate from the Father, and is "Ruler (God)" by divine investiture of authority from the Father (e.g., Hebrews 1, but pretty clear throughout the Bible, if you understand the underlying culture). Which is why it is actually coherent for Jesus to do things like pray to the Father and even call the Father "great than I" (John 14:28). Otherwise, it is performative nonsense (Jesus was confused or lying), or Jesus had multiple personality disorder.
@@CalledtoShare 1 Cor 8:6
Don't skip verse 5
Such a punkin
How can you quote the verse from John 1 when it is clearly against your beliefs? Everything was made by him, yes that goes for even Satan. “Christ is the visible image of the invisible god. He is the firstborn of all creation and is supreme over all creation,”
Colossians 1:15 NLT
God is not meant to be understood. We are the creatures, he is the creator, all we need to do is follow his truth and word and not focus so much on understanding god. The trinity is real, read the word, and come to Jesus all LDS members. ❤️
John 17:3
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
@@ToddMarshall-ur5zg sure, the Bible separates the persons. I want you to understand the difference between a 3 forms and persons and 3 beings. God is one being in 3 forms.
@@KeithDubaich1God is one being in 3 forms? Can u make it clear what it means?
"we of this church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith"
Which you have as a man-made statement concerning the nature of deity (coming from a proven false prophet)... And the claims about what happened at the council of Nicea is pure and utter speculation with no support whatsoever. The Trinity is clear from scripture, it does not require any "man-made statement".
The Jesus that is preached in Mormonism is not the Jesus of the Bible and is a false Christ. You cannot be saved by a false Christ.
I testify that what he has spoken is true! God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ are separate and distinct physical beings of flesh and bone. The Holy Ghost, the third member of the Godhead, is a personage of spirit and His primary purpose is to testify to our spirits of Jesus Christ and His Father. They are one in purpose, in majesty, in power and in glory to bring about the immortality and eternal life of each one of us.
I'm having difficulty believing a prophet of an apostate church...
Believe him. True prophet. True church.
Repent! Come back to your first love. The Lord wishes none to perish! Time is mercy. ❤
We all need to repent daily. Thanks!
😅 BOTH OF THEM.
EVER SINCE THE FATHER CREATED JESUS, NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE BY GOD WITHOUT JESUS, AND NOTHING JESUS DOES IS WITHOUT THE FATHER. THE FATHER AND SON ARE INSEPARABLE, LINKED TOGETHER FOREVER. EVERY SINGLE SAYING OR DOING OF JESUS COMES FROM THE FATHER. IN JOHN 5:36, JESUS SAYS “THE WORKS WHICH THE FATHER HATH GIVEN ME TO FINISH, THE SAME WORKS THAT I DO, BEAR WITNESS OF ME, THAT THE FATHER HATH SENT ME.” JOHN 5:37 SAYS “THE FATHER HIMSELF WHICH HAS SENT ME HAS MORE WITNESS OF ME AND YOU HAVE NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE.” WHY DOES JESUS SAY THIS? IT IS BECAUSE GOD, THE FATHER, BEARS WITNESS OF JESUS THROUGH JESUS. JESUS’ WORDS ARE THE WORDS FROM GOD HIMSELF. THE “GREAT MYSTERY” IS THAT GOD SPEAKS AND DOES ALL THINGS THROUGH JESUS, FOR GOD SENT JESUS TO DO GOD’S WILL AND NOT HIS OWN. JESUS DOES ALL THINGS USING THE POWER AND SPIRIT OF GOD THAT IS INCARNATED IN HIM (MATTHEW 28:18). JESUS REPEATEDLY TELLS US THAT HE HAS NOT SPOKEN OF HIMSELF, BUT ONLY WHAT GOD RELAYS TO HIM IS WHAT HE SPEAKS (JOHN 12:49-50) AND DOES (JOHN 8:29).
“AND THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT'' (JOHN 17:3). GOD BLESS YOU
"If you have seen me, you have seen the Father"
Heavenly Father is a Spirit who is an eternal heavenly man, just like Jesus is. :>)
Close. Heavenly Father has a glorified and perfected body, just like Jesus. Thanks for the comment.
@CalledtoShare The true and living God the Father is invisible and a spirit. I Timothy 1:17; Colossians 1:15;
Unlike pagan gods, the true and living God does not have, want, or need sex.
The true and living God offers forgiveness of sins, salvation, eternal life, and exaltation for free if you are interested. That is how much God loves you! ❤️
@@CalledtoShare ... Agreed. A Spirit who is an eternal heavenly man.
You are welcome. :>)
God created us in His image. Genesis 1. He made it very clear in the first book of the Bible.
@@CalledtoShare Yes. The true and living God created us in his image. God created Adam out of the dust of the ground, no wife needed!
The true and living God is the first, uncaused cause of everything you see. No one created God. God spoke the universe into existence, including the planet that the LDS Heavenly Father came from and the star Kolob that he lives near.
The true and living God did not have a mom and dad. He is self-existent. He doesn't need food, air, water, clothing, shelter, sleep, sex, or anything else a mere created being might need.
Why don't you worship the God who spoke the star Kolob into existence and the planet that your Heavenly Father came from?
This goes againstthe gospel of the Apostles and Jesus Christ.Galatians1:8-12 But even if we or an Angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you LET HIM BE ACCURSED just saying better read the BIBLE
The Trinity goes against the Bible.
The apostasy and falling away.
2 Thessalonians 2: 3:
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition..."
Following the death of Jesus Christ, wicked people persecuted and killed many Church members. Other Church members drifted from the principles taught by Jesus Christ and His Apostles. The Apostles were killed, and priesthood authority-including the keys to direct and receive revelation for the Church-was taken from the earth. Because the Church was no longer led by priesthood authority, error crept into Church teachings. Good people and much truth remained, but the gospel as established by Jesus Christ was lost. This period is called the Great Apostasy.
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/the-restoration/the-great-apostasy?lang=eng
You also believe that God was once a man and he became a God just like you will become a god. Yeah you guys are insane
Yeah, we believe in the Bible
Jesus is god the son
Amen
"Except a man be born again he will not see the kingdom of God."
Eternity is a long time to be wrong.
Members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe in Jesus Christ and that he is our savior and they are baptized in his name. So yes they are born again.😅
Go look up and read David O Mckays' vision of the City Eternal. It teaches that to be truly born again, we must overcome the world by following Jesus Christ.
We believe in being born again and we believe in baptism.
Thanks for the comment.
@@ramsrnja I follow Jesus Christ, not a religion.
@Elizabeth-rk3do Following Jesus Christ is your religion. But Jesus established a church with apostles who held the Keys of the Kingdom, so if you really follow Jesus, you will want to be a part of his church.
How do all of you get this so wrong. You are not Gods.
We believe the Bible.
The Nicene Creed was neither a compromise nor controversial, it was a divinely provisioned ecumenical council binding to all Christians.
But it wasn’t Biblical. We adhere to the Bible.
@@CalledtoShare _But it wasn’t Biblical. We adhere to the Bible._
Would you like to go over the Bible on the issue?
And Stephen saw what Joseph Smith saw....as he was being stoned to death in Acts. Stephen saw two beings, God the Father and His Son. Further troubling about the creeds...Constantine was a pagan emporer....who literally made himself a bishop. Apostolic authority is required to set apart bishops. By this time, apostolic authority was long gone. The fruits of the doctrine of the trinity are 1500 years of blood and horror.....those who refused to bend a knee to the 3-in-1 god, those who refused to adhere to creeds of men...were tortured, burned alive, exiled, disemboweled, persecuted relentlessly... One of the greatest truths is the truth of the biblical Godhead. The creeds of men altered the true nature of our God...stripping Him of His gender, His body, even His emotions. Through Greek philosophy which infiltrated the early Church and was backed by the Roman Empire, "homoousios" became official Church doctrine and the triune god was born. Notice...this god eerily sounds like satan himself...without a body....without the ability to be a Father and have literal offspring. Satan cannot create, he can only counterfeit. The trinity is the most horrific counterfeit of all.
The Trinity is a covenant. The laws of Nature, the Laws of Man and the Laws of the beast, and every little thing that creepeth the earth. All of which are reconciled in all things, both spiritually and Flesh, for the Flesh is a spiritual vessel, spiritually GRAFTED and PLANTED by the WORD. KJV 1611 Preserved-Authorized and Appointed to be read to the CHURCHES-THE BOOK OF LIFE. The Breadth thereof and the Cubic Measurements. ∆ ****IMPORTANT***** DON'T BE DECEIVE, LIGHT BEARERS.
No, we know when it came about and it doesn't represent the Hebrew God Jesus worshipped
The Godhead doctrine of the trinity claims that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three gods. The Trinity says that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one God. Constantine had little say in the council, so if you are claiming he changed Christianity, you are wrong. Constantine actually partly agreed with the Arians, who were anathematized by the council. If Constantine changed Christianity, why isn't it Arian?
The Nicene Council while called by man, is guided by the Holy Spirit and is an infallible teaching of the Church. When you reject the Council of Nicaea, you are anathema.
I am more concerned about what the Bible says, not what the Nicene creed said.
@@CalledtoShare Jesus left a church, not a book.
He left both.
FALSE TEACHING
The Bible teaches this. Acts 7.
The problem with this religion is that The Lord our God is one God. There is only one God, there are no little Gods. Jesus is God. In the beginning was the word. Jesus is the word. The word was God and the Word was with God. This places two distinct individuals or whatever you want to call him/them. Jesus was with God, and Jesus said he came from God. The word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.. and we have seen his glory. Jesus was separated from God, but there is also the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit that descended on Jesus like tongues of fire separate from God and From Jesus.. But there is only one God, so this becomes the mystery of the Trinity. We are in Gods. We are made in Gods image. We have an intellect, a flesh and a spirit yet we are one. The flesh does what the flesh wants to do. My flesh wants the cookie, my intellect tells me don't eat the cookie because it will make me fat, the spirit says fast so you can hear the Spirit of God. Paul said If I do not do what I want to do, but continue to do what I do not want to do, it is not me doing it (he states it is the flesh, and by the Spirit we put to death the flesh. They are separate entities but one person. I believe God is the same way. Mormon and Jehovah witnesses are a cult, they preach a gospel not preached by Jesus, Paul, or the other disciples. Paul said may these people be cursed with Gods curse (hell, oops JW cult does not believe in hell. only gates outside the walls of Jerusalem, right, tell that to the rich man and Lazarus)
@@jjw00dw- It is not a parable. All parables use words like a certain man, a certain king, a certain master. This story uses the name of a man Lazarus. But there are other instances. mark9:57And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell where “’the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched. Yep don't want to do any of this or a Christian heb10:26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
The problem is that the trinity is a man made concept and doesn't reflect the Hebrew god Jesus worshipped.
@@biokido575 I said Jesus is the Father. Trinity is one explanation. As Isaiah said. And His name shall be called, wonderful, counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting father, the prince of peace. Even the teachers of the law said he committed blasphemy. “We are not stoning you for any good works ,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” I think Jesus and the Jews, know who he was
@@IAmR1ch Jesus never claimed to be God. This would not have gone over well in his religion
@@biokido575 Jesus did claim to be God. He claimed to be the Father. And yes it did not go well in his religion. The Jews killed him for claiming he was God. John10:33“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
The would eventually crucify him. He says he is the Fahter. John14:7If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father and then we will be satisfied.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time, and you do not know Me yet, Philip, nor recognize clearly who I am? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father.
Isaiah said he was the Father as well.Isaiah9:6For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Jesus is the everlasting Father. Emanuel, God with us.