In this video I go over spidermans biggest villain, MARY JANE WATTSON. I hope y'all enjoy and laughed at least once. Outro Song- Break by ZaQuay- / okopbq471akhtct1a Remember to Like ;)
Ugh, totally. I hated when she repeats the upside down kiss with him just to be "sure". And she still goes on with the wedding because of fame Me being JJ Jameson will do everything in my reach for that hoe to never get a job in town ever
It's kinda funny cuz originally in the comics, Gwen Stacy was the annoying toxic damsel in distress who was always mad at Peter for not being around her for 5 seconds, while Mary Jane was the cool, laid back girl who always supported Peter and seemed like she always had everything under control.
a lot of the different adaptations end up swapping them around; Gwen originally was the first Parker girlfriend, and MJ came along later. The 90's series not even having Gwen exist is what shifted that part of the lore, and nowadays Gwen is better known for the Spider-Gwen incarnation.
It's weird because Gwen was kinda mid in the original comics, but everything since then with her has been far more interesting and enjoyable. Ultimate Gwen Stacy was a nice change of pace being more rebellious. Spider-Man Blue made her far more likeable and we see how Peter really felt about her. The Amazing Spider-Man movies portray her as being very sweet and less of a nagging mean girls cast member. Then Spider-Gwen came into the world and changed things up again, making her similar to her Ultimate comics self, but more modern. Idk I like her a lot.
As a child I just saw MJ as a perfect love interest for Peter. It just made sense that guys struggle to get the girl when I was that age. But watching it as you get older, you really can see all the psycho
TBH, even as a child in the early 2000's, I always felt MJ was trash. WHat she did to the guy at the altar was messed up and I saw that as an 8 year old.
As a child I didn't even know her name. I literally have no idea I watched films I literally ignored all dialogue. I just didn't. I just straight up didn't.
John Jameson is a stand-up guy. Nowhere near the raging, psychotic lunatic his dad is. Except when he became Jupiter Man. But this one didn't. So he's good.
she's diabolical in these movies man. I even thought that as a kid, I was constantly confused on what her goals or character was. she just spends every scene shes in actively trying to fuck over everyone.
In the original comics, MJ literally flirts with Peter in front of Harry, whom she is dating and even gets mad at HIM when he calls her out on it, to the point where he almost OD’s on drugs. After he gets home from the hospital, she continues flirting with Peter in front of them in their own house!! How this trash human being became such a staple is perplexing.
The girl who lived in the apartment with the landlord was the best girl for Peter in the whole Trilogy, she supported him and also was very understanding of him
right? I don't get why even in cartoon girls/guys go for clearly toxic full of huge red flags relationships but shit on the right guy/girl, who support them and care for them
I always hate that trope of how someone knowingly dates a bully, and then viewers are expected to feel sorry for her when the abuse is turned on her Screw that noise. Heck I disliked Sam from Cobra Kai the first 2 seasons, but credit where credit is due, her bully boyfriend began hurting her AFTER she dumped him because she witnessed him beating up 3 defenseless teens, and was like 'hell no'
Yeh I think cobra Kai is more realistic in the sense it’s scary to break up with a violent person in case they turn on you, whereas the rest of media doesn’t usually depict why why they would stay
I remember my mother saying MJ is a bad woman and I should avoid woman like that at all cost when I was watching Spiderman as a kid. I got angry at her because I really liked MJ. As I grew up, I realized how right my mother's advice was.
Idk how anyone at any age can even like her at all. I mean it, even physically, she's really not all that hot. And as far as personality that's just trash.
Peter fumbled the bag MAD HARD when he skipped his neighbor girl (the one who made him cookies and was very kind to him, obviously had a crush on him) in favor of that toxic redheaded bih
The question is would Mr. Ditkovich have allowed Ursula to date Peter in the first place? I'm pretty sure he's well aware of her crush on him. She's not exactly subtle about it.
Yeah you’re 100% correct. I never liked MJ in the movies, or comics. There is always some unnecessary drama with her. Another example is the insomniac games. MJ broke up with Peter because she got tired of his “overprotective attitude”. OK can you blame him? He experienced a terrible loss and she does get pretty reckless in a lot of situations. What’s even worse is that she kind of flirts with him even after they broke up. For crying out loud, MJ make up your mind! They should’ve been a chill couple in the first game and then get married in Spiderman 2. No ridiculous drama.
I don't know if this is the case in English but in the French version of MJ in the Spider-Man game on PS4 (or the Isomniac games) she talks about the breakup ALL THE TIME, like it speaks quietly then suddenly she adds a "Do you remember our breakup?"
@@misterok5978 In the English, she doesn’t mention it every 5 seconds but still her reasons for breaking up with Peter in the game felt selfish. She jabs at Peter about the breakup 4 times in the story. I just think that Peter & MJ should have been a couple from start to finish in the 1st game and then they get married at the end of Spiderman 2. Sorry for the rant lol 😂. Its just that the drama between these two is getting really old.
@@misterok5978 Oh that’s a fact. I mean she’s a “supermodel” in comics if I recall correctly(Not exactly a proper job for a wife). They went in the right direction with her being a journalist(more interesting story wise) in the games but they kept her irritating attitude. Lol 😂
I know she came from an abusive family but yeah leaving your fiancé at the altar is cold af. Imagine the humiliation and embarrassment he would get considering he’s a well known astronaut. Suddenly her being rejected by her theatre in the third movie is karma catching up to her.
One think more frustrating than MJ's toxicity is Peter's simping. No matter how much she breaks his heart, he's always there waiting for her to start the same toxic cycle again.
Dude I don't blam half of the simps ita Part of male evolutionary psychology to seek female approval and we have a society that Cranks that up so much in a society where women can literally have an entire career of complaining about men my aunt is a gender studies professor lesbian who leers at young college chicks and basically go all men are trash and its a woman's right to mentally abuse them. We have so much that warps our minds and most men are gotten when they are Children and its done by their mothers they don't have a defense to that I didn't either it took a lot to break my brainwashing even when I knew about psychology and anthropology of it.
@@sigmarine Odd nobody's calling you an incel yet when you're here speaking facts, but good on you homie, you're not women's emotional punchbag because they had daddy issues.
Gwen Stacy - Just as smart as Peter Parker/Having the same skills as him. Black Cat - Willing to fight crime alongside him/Is *way hotter* Mary Jane Watson - Excellent at getting kidnapped/No combat skills/Career failure (depending on the story) For someone so smart Peter really fumbled that bag.
In the actual comics gwen stacy was a bland boring character and the readers loved mary jane because she had actual personality and stood up for peter. Black cat only loved the spiderman persona and constantly manipulates peter for her own interests. The raimi movies just did a horror job at adapting mary jane and the recent comics have beefed doing everything in their power to assasinate her character
@@giosbizarreart9048 Actually in some versions felicia is an excellent companion for Peter. She learns to appreciate the man as a whole and not just Spidey. Read "The Evil that Men Do"
As kids we wanted Mary Jane. As adults we all wanted Ursula Dikovich. She was always trying to be there for Peter. In Spider-Man 2 when he was going through his crisis, she gave him cake and milk to cheer him up. In Spider-Man 3 she made him cookies and was even willing to make some with nuts for him. And even though she clearly is crushing on him, she told him MJ called back because she just wanted him to be happy. That's wifey material, MJ belongs to the streets.
You can really see how the film industry makes us believe that this kind of behaviour is romantic. But in reality, it's the worst and makes women and men completely incapable of having a relationship.
Sadly true. There's been a lot of toxic romance portrayed in a lot of art/media and in a lot of entertainment industries. I wouldn't be surprised if some of that is a reflection of how some of our societies has turned a blind eye to toxic relationships for centuries. It relatively wasn't that long ago when there were laws about women not being able to open a bank (which meant they couldn't afford to move out/do almost anything independently) without marrying someone, so I wouldn't be surprised if the pressure for people to hook up and get married too soon and too quickly was cultivated back then, and lead to ending up in toxic relationships... 0_0
Yup trying to sell the “playing hard to get” and “chase after her if you really love her” and “women are so indecisive”. Nah it’s just cruel. Fellas if a gals not interested, she’s not interested. Move on to someone worth your time
This was bang on and exactly what I thought when I watched the first movie. She doesn't actually love anybody by the way, only herself. She zaps attention and energy from several, tortures them all. Sadist.
she didn't love peter, she loved that peter loved her. i feel like her true self and attitude were really shown in spiderman 3, some of her quotes were crazy. "tell me again, was i really good; the applause wasn't very loud", "tell me you love me, peter".. like it's so obvious how self obsessed she is
I think that’s why they showed her having daddy issues in part 1. She is a person without any love given to her which is why she was obsessed of being loved
@@dipayandasclassxisectiona6578 this is a fictional story, it’s not like she has a choice of what they wrote for her to do, they wanted her to be like that, than that’s what you get 💀
I have a theory that mj will have a cameo in spider man and then after secret wars when Spider man 5 comes out she will get rebooted to mary jane watson and she will have red hair
Damn man! You hit a homerun on this one. In my youth, I was just so caught up in the Spider-Man story that I must've been tuning MJ TF out! Cause I straight up DID NOT REALIZE how toxic she was! And then when you went into the 90's cartoon MJ, I was like "Tsh, I know this clown ain't got nothing on h........." Facial expression = @_@ I have never stood so firmly corrected in all my life. Why did my memory make her seem like such a good person! I thought what they had was so pure and undeniable. God damn, nostalgia really does blind fools!
You forgot one of the worst ones: PS4 Mary Jane. While she never cheats or does anything like Raimi MJ, she sure as hell is annoying She says "I may not have spider powers but I'm not made of glass" directly after sneaking into a facility guarded by HIGHLY TRAINED SOLDIERS WITH LASERS. I'm sorry, but in a world where demon mobsters and 8 foot tall Rhinoceros men run rampant through the streets, yeah, you ARE made of glass, MJ
@@kiteman02_64 doesn't stop her from being incredibly annoying. She's just as annoying in the dlc. When she finds out Peter might be a father (mind you Peter wasn't cheating, he and MJ were apart) MJ just says "uck" and hangs up. Like, how fucking rude is that? Sure, she apologizes for it later. But you can only apologize for being a bitch so many times before it no longer means anything
@@kiteman02_64If I remember correctly, she doesn’t outright apologise for this specifically. I think she just generally apologises for being rude or something, or for being mad at Pete, which is just lackluster. I would definitely love to be corrected, because PS4 MJ is one of my least fav.
You would if it was her early comics. Lately it seems that Marvel has no idea what to do with her and the same goes with Peter. Neither have grown up for the past 17 years since their marriage was retconned and that's because Marvel doesn't want them to stay married, so because Marvel doesn't want Peter to grow up-- MJ as a character is affected by this.
@@anon9060 Im to young for that and plus I live in iran, there are no comics here. I saw the one in sam raimi spiderman, the one from the game and the one from the animated series. consider all the things she did like leaving her fiance at the alter or humiliating peter at every turn and she was clearly pleased with herself when doing them. no man with a shred of masculinity and respect for himself would ever go for a woman like her.
One has to wonder how much damage this toxic to-and-fro inflicted on the minds of young men who were trying to figure out relationships in this era. Doubtlessly, this is where many poor dudes took the idea that IF you REALLY LOVED HER--and you didn't 'deserve' her if you didn't 'love' her--then you'd persist and be patient no matter how she treated you, or how little regard she showed for you.
Her marriage to Peter in the comics was the more interesting part for me. She wasn't in the thickest of the fighting, but she had her own struggles too. They both had to work together through their marriage with the personal stuff they both had going on. Know what else? They were a pretty good team in that regard.
Comic MJ: "Peter, you go deal with the current villain while I *explain* the realities of life to these other MJ's" Comic Peter: "Ladies and Gents, the REAL Mary Jane Watson-Parker!!"
Even as a kid, I never liked the MJ portrayal from the Raimi films. Her cheating/running away from poor John Jameson, her hopping between Peter and Harry and breaking Peter's heart, her kissing Spider Man without knowing who he was 😭😭 she added so much misery and stress to Peter's life. Thank you for pointing this all out, I love your humor and points and cuss-free content that I can watch with my sibs. New sub :))
? Peter rejected her wen they both liked each other, John was a rebound, Peter after losing his powers tried hard to get her back and she accepted her feelings to be with him. Harry knew Peter liked her and in part 2 said "she's waiting for u"
Dude, stop saying women are oversensetive cause look at men in the comments criying cause a character has personality and some deep. Both, mj and peter are real and complex characters and they are cool, if you want perfect goofy ass characters go watch a kids movie god 😅
Toxic women need to be called out more. Not erased from scripts, but called out. I have an ex who always sides with the toxic women in movies and she has no reason to acknowledge the red flags because the movie treats them like they're perfect
That's actually insane but like the movie Scream said "don't blame the movies." I think she would have justified her behavior movie or not. Then again I don't know maybe you're right
To be honest I am a girl and in never understood why everyone liked this toxic relationshipp no mather what I can't understand this. Some of my friends I try to advice to let this toxic relationshipp and find one who is really ther for you and wants to supportyou bot no they never listen to me. Three gusses you can make where is always coming crying to me becouse her boy-friend or girl-friend makes her/him emotional trouble?
wanna know something funny about all this? across all the movies, they make it seem like peter wasn’t capable of getting a girlfriend besides mj. but in the third movie he was juggling Gwen, Betty Brandt, and the landlords daughter like it was nothing. he’s not ugly, he just lacks confidence lol.
@@LWLProductions I think she was supposed to be younger than Peter just by the way she acts and also because she seems to live with her father. But they had very non-teenager looking actors playing teenagers in the first film so I’m not completely sure myself. I just get “high school girl with a crush” vibes from her.
I want to see a story line of Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy are the main villains of a Spider story. With MJ being pure evil and Gwen being a broken hero that redemped herself.
They both played peter and he ended up getting revenge in return....he beat up harry and brought gwen to the place mj was working at just to flirt infront of mj with another woman...and slapped mj on top of that, oh yeah I forgot he got revenge on Eddie too...damn now that i think about he got revenge on sandman aswell, peter went of a revenge spree in spider-man 3 lol😂
When watching spiderman 2, I really felt bad for Jameson's son. He seemed like such a nice guy that didn't deserve being left at the altar just because he was being used to get to Peter.
@@vorpalinferno9711 MJ straight up ditched him at the altar. I'd get it if she told him she wanted to break up sooner, but waiting until the last second was a messed up thing to do.
MJ in the insomniac games definitely tracks with this. Girl goes out of her way to put herself in the most danger and gets mad at Peter when he just wants her to be safe. I appreciate her bravery and willingness to be on the frontlines but I emphasize with Peter’s frustration so much.
For me, it was that she didn’t take a mask, web bombs or a drone, or ask for any type of emergency gadgets for if stealth failed. Being proactive was fine, she was just being stupid about it
I sort of get why she didn't like Peter constantly treating her like she's made out of glass since she's clearly done this so often that shes almost an expert at it, but at the same time, there were so many times where she only got out of because of Peter soooooooo....
@MrKingJson tbh the only reason she survived was luck and thugs being stupid. I mean, the thugs hear some boxes fall or glass breaking and don't immediately call for backup to secure the whole area? That's pure stupidity. And mj was also super lucky that that taser she grabbed somehow managed to work on enemies covered in advanced armor from head to toe.
“From the streets did she emerge; and to the streets she will return. And I say unto you, ‘She is for the streets.’ So be not weary when she must return from whence she came.” Book of Future, Ch. 1 Verses 1-3
She's def not like this in the comics. She's very supportive to peter, and isn't a damsel in distress, until the most recent run in the comics ruined her. If you wanna see a comic accurate version watch spectacular spider man, or just look at gwen in spider man 3, because they literally gave her comic mj's personality
@@abdoucisse894 No, Gwen was a literal antagonist in her early years then became a boring source of terrible drama. Ala Mary Jane in the overhyped raimi movies. They killed her off for a reason and MJ stepped up as the waifu. She was without a doubt welcomed with open arms over Gwen who was quickly forgotten about. Even Black Cat was just a super slutty cat themed version of MJ.
I think she was at her worst in Spiderman 3. She made it all about herself and even resented Peter for being more popular than her. She treats peter as if he's working a 9-5 job doing overtime that doesnt give her enough time but in reality peter is doing a very important duty that she herself knew what it was and what she'd have to tolerate at the end of Spiderman 2. Given, Peter messed up kissing Gwen, but I'd say Bully Maguire gave her a taste of her own well deserved medicine.
Thank you for pointing all of this out. Bc watching this younger, I learned all the wrong lessons. When I got my own MJ, a gorgeous girl of my dreams, I learned all about what toxic was, first hand
Gwen was too clingy in the comics.If you think about it,MJ killed Gwen.She toyed with Harry about their relationship which led him to doing drugs.Eventually this causes Norman to snap back to being the Green Goblin and boom,Gwen dies.
I was 19 years old in 2002 and even as a literal teenager with no experience in relationships I HATED this version of MJ. I genuinely could _not_ understand why Peter was SO hung up on this awful, unfaithful girl. She was SO wishy washy and untrustworthy. And the fact that she was CONSTANTLY flaunting her relationships in Peter's face was honestly _disgusting._ She WANTED him to give her a reaction. I think she got off on seeing him hurt and miserable and suffering and looking like a crushed puppy. She very obviously could tell that he had a crush on her. I was SO disappointed when in _Spiderman: No Way Home_ Tobey McGuire's Peter confirmed that he was with her. How much drama and stress must she be putting him through _on top_ of his stress of being Spiderman? How many guys has she cheated on him with? How many times has he _forgiven_ her? I just _can'ttttt._ 😭
She is AWFUL in the Maximum Carnage arc. She knows Peter has his hands full with the chaos in the streets, yet she constantly nags the hell out of him -- even making it a point to go to the CLUB and flirt with other men, nearly getting killed and having to be saved by Peter anyway.
Yeah, but Maximum Carnage had Shriek using her powers, to brainwash the entire city, bringing out the worst from EVERYONE in New York. You can't blame MJ for not being immune to something that was affecting even the superheroes, to the point it hindered their efforts to stop the villains.
I'd agree, but Amber from the animated Invincible is AWFUL. "I don't care if you literally had your guts punched out, you weren't at the SOUP KITCHEN!"
@@thedrewdog "yeah, I'm not an idiot, I figured out you're a superhero risking your life and limbs every day to protect the innocents, and by proxy have enemies that will target everyone close to you, but WE'VE BEEN DATING FOR 2 MONTHS AND I DESERVED TO KNOW!" (Also, idc if I knew it was you that literally saved lives at the college campus, imma spin it like you abandoned me cuz you're an asshole)
The sad thing is that the Mary-Jane Watson-Parker we had in the comics from 1987 to 2007 was a great and well written character, for the most part, but because Joe Quesada had a massive hate boner for the concept of marriage due to his own one going tits up we saw both the Peter/MJ and Cyclops/Jean marriages well an truly get thrown under the bus.
@@williamedwards4151 for me Quesada was one of the worst EICs Marvel had. Seriously, though the 00s turned out a lot of stuff that was better than what we had in the 90s or what we would go on to have from 2012 onwards, a lot of editorial mandates he made were horrible. Seriously, there were times he made DeFalco's EIC tenure look like Stan Lee's or Jim Shooter's.
@@Ntwadumela89 Pretty much, but the way Quesada portrays it is a tragedy that they had to be separated, when in reality Peter should've been on his grindset.
As much as I love these movies, the did MJ’s character so dirty. It’s to the point that everyone thinks that this is what MJ is like, which for the most part is just not true in the comics.
Denial someone literally made very much contrast between different characters MJ is not the one she just not she literally started zero purpose so stop dick riding for a minute
@@danielendless honestly, I don't know what is up with the writes/ higher ups, but they are doing everything they can to make MJ seem as unlikable as possible, and unfortunately, it has worked on a good set of the fanbase. And it's a shame because in older stories, she was a great character and her development was beyond most other "love interests"
The Sam Raimi universe’s Mary Jane is the definition of a selfish human being. In Spider-Man 3, when MJ was talking to Peter in his apartment, she says: “This isn’t about you, this is about me.”
@@IobsterpetersonI don't think that word means what you think it means. Ignoring a character's shit behaviour because they're hot and you want the main character to fuck the only option the movie will actually give them is the opposite of nuance.
Fun fact: Stan Lee himself believed Peter's true love is Gwen Stacy. So all the "ship him with MJ" Marvel does always felt weird in spite of having better girls for him.
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD not exactly that, gwen only loved peter yes but that change later as she get to know him and spider (and stop beliving tha spider killed her dad) and become supportive of peter and spider. Same thing with black cat where she just loves pier and later star to discoverr what she missed by dimissing peterand that he is actualy someno she could love. Mary Jane in general have nice felings for the 2 and as she get realy in love she knows that the 2 are the one and same and now marvel writers break her too sadly, because spider never get a break.
I remember when my dad was watching the trilogy with me, he said, ‘This woman is an opportunist. She doesn’t care about anyone as long as it benefits her in any way.’
Sucks that Raimi dialed MJ’s toxic traits to eleven since she’s only acted like this in the 60’s and dumb recent comics. And the former was presented as a character flaw that she worked on before she got with Peter and became one of the most sweet and relatable couples.
Raimi wrote the villains really well but he *did not* get any of the protagonists. Aunt May sucks, she exists to make Peter feel guilty and that's it. Peter's just a loser and he removed his intelligence because Raimi didn't find being smart relatable. He's not funny, he's just pitiful. MJ is...MJ.
@@Dertzer Do you think May exists to make Peter feel guilty? Do you think Peter is meant to be an average dweeb without any kind of personality whose sole goal is getting with the super toxic childhood friend he has no chemistry with?
@@AJadedLizard Bruh, Rami's Aunt May inspires him and is one of the main sources of light and hope in the world for him whenever he feels defeated. Maguire's Peter is fine the way he is. Yeah sure he may not be highly intelligent compared to Garfield and Holland but his humanity as a struggling young adult trying to balance out life is not wasted or underutilized compared to Garfield and Holland.
Awesome video there... I admit, i never looked at it this way. I'm used to "good women are right, men wrong", so I always thought MJ is caught in the web of Peter's indecisiveness. But I did notice a couple of things that bugged me always : - When peter missed the play, MJ didn't even care about why he missed it. Come on, Peter got run over by a truck on his pathetic motorcycle, he wasn't even spidermanning. He could just as well have been paralyzed in a hospital bed and MJ would have called him saying "don't try anymore, you suck". - The Jameson dude looks like a douchebag... but he never acts as such. He's completely neutral, passive, stuff happens to him because he's just a nice piece of furniture for MJ. I always thought these were scriptwriting mistakes perhaps... but now you've opened my eyes !
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This is a gem. Both funny and informative. Like, really, boys should stay away from women who treat them like that.
The way she left Jameson's son at the altar is a villain origin story in the making
Facts
Ugh, totally. I hated when she repeats the upside down kiss with him just to be "sure". And she still goes on with the wedding because of fame
Me being JJ Jameson will do everything in my reach for that hoe to never get a job in town ever
Would have been perfect for introducing ManWolf to the movies. In the comics he gets a magic stone that turns him into a werewolf.
Which would explain well why the Carnage Symbiote bonded with her so well in Ultimate Spider-man.....
Doesn't Jameson's son get powers in the animation and fights against Spider-Man
It's kinda funny cuz originally in the comics, Gwen Stacy was the annoying toxic damsel in distress who was always mad at Peter for not being around her for 5 seconds, while Mary Jane was the cool, laid back girl who always supported Peter and seemed like she always had everything under control.
a lot of the different adaptations end up swapping them around; Gwen originally was the first Parker girlfriend, and MJ came along later. The 90's series not even having Gwen exist is what shifted that part of the lore, and nowadays Gwen is better known for the Spider-Gwen incarnation.
@@UltLuigi1and The Amazing Spider-Man films.
It's weird because Gwen was kinda mid in the original comics, but everything since then with her has been far more interesting and enjoyable. Ultimate Gwen Stacy was a nice change of pace being more rebellious. Spider-Man Blue made her far more likeable and we see how Peter really felt about her. The Amazing Spider-Man movies portray her as being very sweet and less of a nagging mean girls cast member. Then Spider-Gwen came into the world and changed things up again, making her similar to her Ultimate comics self, but more modern. Idk I like her a lot.
I remember some one like Gwen they were nice she had issues that her friend helped her with so she needs them
Back then maybe, now MJ's toxic as hell too in the comics.. Allegedly, I don't read Spiderman cause I heard the writers keep torturing him lol
"Mary Jane being a thot, has to be a canon event"😂😂😂💀😭😭😭
PAUL
@@Chuckles3100 Oh nah 🤣🤣🤣
@@Sammy.Bear.King1234Paul clapped her cheeks to oblivion
@@Chuckles3100 ... we dont talk about paul here!!
As a child I just saw MJ as a perfect love interest for Peter. It just made sense that guys struggle to get the girl when I was that age. But watching it as you get older, you really can see all the psycho
mary jane just continued changing from one boyfriend to other,in all 3 movies.Just wtf
Its the director way to tell us a story, a good story about how manipulative MJ and how she made for streets
@@axelputra2810 lie
MJ is a literal definition of hypergamy in women
Childhood: Romantic story of the hero
Adulthood: Actually pretty messed up
G shit
Bro since childhood I always knew MJ was shit ☠️
TBH, even as a child in the early 2000's, I always felt MJ was trash. WHat she did to the guy at the altar was messed up and I saw that as an 8 year old.
Even as a child theme Spider-Man 2 in theaters I knew it was messed up what she did to John.
As a child I didn't even know her name.
I literally have no idea I watched films I literally ignored all dialogue. I just didn't. I just straight up didn't.
F for Jonah's son he was just a man in love he didn't deserve to get treated like that.
He got a W for dodging that bullet
John Jameson is a stand-up guy. Nowhere near the raging, psychotic lunatic his dad is. Except when he became Jupiter Man. But this one didn't. So he's good.
@jonnyunitusgaming Nah, he got hit, it just didn't hit anything fatal. He'll live but shit still hurt
@@marche800 he looked like he wanted to cry in the scene even if he gets past it the trauma is still there,
I feet so bad for John Jameson
she's diabolical in these movies man. I even thought that as a kid, I was constantly confused on what her goals or character was. she just spends every scene shes in actively trying to fuck over everyone.
In the original comics, MJ literally flirts with Peter in front of Harry, whom she is dating and even gets mad at HIM when he calls her out on it, to the point where he almost OD’s on drugs. After he gets home from the hospital, she continues flirting with Peter in front of them in their own house!! How this trash human being became such a staple is perplexing.
Doesn't she get called out for it multiple times and decides to become a better person? Even forgiving harry after he tried to kill her?
@@user-jk1yf9lj5y I’ll let you know when I get that far. Lmao
@@user-jk1yf9lj5y I’ll let you know whenever I get there! Lol
Maybe somewhere down the line, but I’m only 122 issues in. I have yet to see any remorse for her actions. 🤷♂️
Gwen kissed Flash while she was with Peter and ya'll dedicate statues to that corpse lol...
The girl who lived in the apartment with the landlord was the best girl for Peter in the whole Trilogy, she supported him and also was very understanding of him
She even gave him cookies.... WITH MILK!
Y’all don’t like us 😂, y’all always want a MJ
She wanted his kids soooo BAD🤣😂😭
Yes❤❤
right? I don't get why even in cartoon girls/guys go for clearly toxic full of huge red flags relationships but shit on the right guy/girl, who support them and care for them
The fact that Norman was the only one who saw right through MJ is both hilarious and sad
I'm just beginning to realize he was right all along he in his own messed up way was being a good father to Harry LOL
I know, when I rewatched the movie and saw that scene of him basically calling her a gold digger I went "You tell her Osborne!"
God damn he WAS dude 😂 being an adult is a trip man
bro had the goblin sense
A word to the not so wise about your little gf lol
The “Don’t tell Harry” was referring to her job that she was ashamed of, not her meeting up with Peter.
yeah i think he got a couple things wrong
I always hate that trope of how someone knowingly dates a bully, and then viewers are expected to feel sorry for her when the abuse is turned on her
Screw that noise.
Heck I disliked Sam from Cobra Kai the first 2 seasons, but credit where credit is due, her bully boyfriend began hurting her AFTER she dumped him because she witnessed him beating up 3 defenseless teens, and was like 'hell no'
Yeh I think cobra Kai is more realistic in the sense it’s scary to break up with a violent person in case they turn on you, whereas the rest of media doesn’t usually depict why why they would stay
I remember my mother saying MJ is a bad woman and I should avoid woman like that at all cost when I was watching Spiderman as a kid. I got angry at her because I really liked MJ. As I grew up, I realized how right my mother's advice was.
Mom knows best
Idk how anyone at any age can even like her at all.
I mean it, even physically, she's really not all that hot.
And as far as personality that's just trash.
My mom did not give me this lesson. At least not this specific. And I am ended up dating someone exactly like this.
Your moms a smart woman. I respect that
@@lukeschilperoort9934was the sex great at least?
Peter fumbled the bag MAD HARD when he skipped his neighbor girl (the one who made him cookies and was very kind to him, obviously had a crush on him) in favor of that toxic redheaded bih
IKR!!!?
@@JayRedGear fr fr, a darn shame. Even as a teen, I was disappointed in him
The question is would Mr. Ditkovich have allowed Ursula to date Peter in the first place? I'm pretty sure he's well aware of her crush on him. She's not exactly subtle about it.
@@EdwardNewgate58 In Mr. Ditkovich's own paraphrased words, "Peter is not like that. He is good boy."
@@EdwardNewgate58 honestly I think he would, at least before he became "bad" thanks to the symbiote lol
Yeah you’re 100% correct. I never liked MJ in the movies, or comics. There is always some unnecessary drama with her. Another example is the insomniac games. MJ broke up with Peter because she got tired of his “overprotective attitude”. OK can you blame him? He experienced a terrible loss and she does get pretty reckless in a lot of situations. What’s even worse is that she kind of flirts with him even after they broke up. For crying out loud, MJ make up your mind! They should’ve been a chill couple in the first game and then get married in Spiderman 2. No ridiculous drama.
Thisss
I don't know if this is the case in English but in the French version of MJ in the Spider-Man game on PS4 (or the Isomniac games) she talks about the breakup ALL THE TIME, like it speaks quietly then suddenly she adds a "Do you remember our breakup?"
@@misterok5978 In the English, she doesn’t mention it every 5 seconds but still her reasons for breaking up with Peter in the game felt selfish. She jabs at Peter about the breakup 4 times in the story. I just think that Peter & MJ should have been a couple from start to finish in the 1st game and then they get married at the end of Spiderman 2. Sorry for the rant lol 😂. Its just that the drama between these two is getting really old.
@@Steel-101 In the end, the older we get, the more we understand that MJ is one of Peter's worst girlfriends... whether in games, films or comics… 😂
@@misterok5978 Oh that’s a fact. I mean she’s a “supermodel” in comics if I recall correctly(Not exactly a proper job for a wife). They went in the right direction with her being a journalist(more interesting story wise) in the games but they kept her irritating attitude. Lol 😂
Mary Jane Watson is "Most Toxic Woman EVER............."
Selena Kyle: *Hold My Beer itch*
Who is Selena Kyle, and what show is she from?
@@hannahguilding1338 🖐SMACK🖐
@@hannahguilding1338That is black cat
@@mrmoopster5702 Nope it's catwoman from batman, felicia hardy is black cat
Selina was there for Batman and his family when they needed help
MJ is the definition of: "You cannot turn a hoe into a housewife"
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One word: Question Mark
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I know she came from an abusive family but yeah leaving your fiancé at the altar is cold af. Imagine the humiliation and embarrassment he would get considering he’s a well known astronaut. Suddenly her being rejected by her theatre in the third movie is karma catching up to her.
True 😢
All she needed was working on herself and through her daddy issues to be a worhty girlfriend she only uses guys xD
Imagine leaving your fiance for a dude who works for his dad.
Like, how *fucked* would Peter be if Jameson weren't a good guy?
@@starchild2299 I mean if you don't care about him, he shouldn't care about you either. Why should he feel heartbreak then?
@@starchild2299yes when you leave your fiancé at the altar it’s his fault because he doesn’t feel the right emotion
Never understood the love for MJ when better girls for Spider-Man are Felicia or Gwen. People must have a thing for red heads.
I just realized how goofy this scene where Spiderman carries MJ (2:23) is now that I realized this Spiderman is a mannequin 💀💀💀
One think more frustrating than MJ's toxicity is Peter's simping. No matter how much she breaks his heart, he's always there waiting for her to start the same toxic cycle again.
Yeah like this makes me think that love is a rat race because there is Harry always getting their way and that he wants her to be his wife
Dude I don't blam half of the simps ita Part of male evolutionary psychology to seek female approval and we have a society that Cranks that up so much in a society where women can literally have an entire career of complaining about men my aunt is a gender studies professor lesbian who leers at young college chicks and basically go all men are trash and its a woman's right to mentally abuse them. We have so much that warps our minds and most men are gotten when they are Children and its done by their mothers they don't have a defense to that I didn't either it took a lot to break my brainwashing even when I knew about psychology and anthropology of it.
I’ve had an MJ.
You just have to not care how they feel. Then you do what you need to with them and broom them fast.
@@sigmarine Odd nobody's calling you an incel yet when you're here speaking facts, but good on you homie, you're not women's emotional punchbag because they had daddy issues.
@@sigmarine😂😂😂Norman Osbourne was speaking truth! " YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED "🤣🤣🤣
As a kid, some of us wanted an MJ. But now, some would rather have a Gwen 😂
Edit: u happy now? 😭 it’s not “we” anymore
Agreed 😂
I’d rather just get Punched by Galactus.
@@wesowhatever ion know bruh. I like Black Cat but she kinda iffy
@@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666 death is better than eternal suffering
I always wanted Gwen 😎
Mann, I can't Believe Mary Jane was so Toxic. I never noticed it, This is great work man, Keep it Up.
nice to see this. I was around 12 to 14 when I watched these movies and I was totally like ''what the hell of unhealthy relationship is this''
Fr like I watched them when I was little (like 3) and I didn’t notice it but rewatching it at 13 I was flabbergasted at how just toxic she was.
This is why I choose Gwen Stacy over her.
FAX
Peter didn’t even consider MJ until Gwen was already dead to be fair
@@TheUncivilizedNation that makes it worse
You ever read the comics and see her with green goblin
@@IshallsufferfromignoranceThat was a dumb non-canon comic.
Gwen Stacy - Just as smart as Peter Parker/Having the same skills as him.
Black Cat - Willing to fight crime alongside him/Is *way hotter*
Mary Jane Watson - Excellent at getting kidnapped/No combat skills/Career failure (depending on the story)
For someone so smart Peter really fumbled that bag.
Peter is a bro he knows Miles
In the actual comics gwen stacy was a bland boring character and the readers loved mary jane because she had actual personality and stood up for peter. Black cat only loved the spiderman persona and constantly manipulates peter for her own interests. The raimi movies just did a horror job at adapting mary jane and the recent comics have beefed doing everything in their power to assasinate her character
@@giosbizarreart9048Wow, someone who knows.
Black cat doesn't share Peter's morals at all so she is probably a bad pick
@@giosbizarreart9048 Actually in some versions felicia is an excellent companion for Peter. She learns to appreciate the man as a whole and not just Spidey. Read "The Evil that Men Do"
People often like MJ due to her sass and the fact she's hot because red hair. I prefer Gwen because she's genuinely nice and cared about Peter.
Finally I found someone else that talks about this, she almost ruined those movies. Such a revolting character.
As kids we wanted Mary Jane. As adults we all wanted Ursula Dikovich.
She was always trying to be there for Peter. In Spider-Man 2 when he was going through his crisis, she gave him cake and milk to cheer him up.
In Spider-Man 3 she made him cookies and was even willing to make some with nuts for him.
And even though she clearly is crushing on him, she told him MJ called back because she just wanted him to be happy.
That's wifey material, MJ belongs to the streets.
Them cookies though.
@@kaelthunderhoof5619 cookie = happy, No cookie = sad
@@Zero-ve4lt cookie = happy, cookie + rent = very very happy
Yeah. It´s the nuts that would´ve convinced me too 🥜🥜...
Mj is the type of woman who wouldn't date someone unless he's rich or a superhero.
You can really see how the film industry makes us believe that this kind of behaviour is romantic. But in reality, it's the worst and makes women and men completely incapable of having a relationship.
Sadly true. There's been a lot of toxic romance portrayed in a lot of art/media and in a lot of entertainment industries. I wouldn't be surprised if some of that is a reflection of how some of our societies has turned a blind eye to toxic relationships for centuries. It relatively wasn't that long ago when there were laws about women not being able to open a bank (which meant they couldn't afford to move out/do almost anything independently) without marrying someone, so I wouldn't be surprised if the pressure for people to hook up and get married too soon and too quickly was cultivated back then, and lead to ending up in toxic relationships... 0_0
Hollywood was on those psyops since forever man.
Promoting hoes since 1990
Yup trying to sell the “playing hard to get” and “chase after her if you really love her” and “women are so indecisive”. Nah it’s just cruel. Fellas if a gals not interested, she’s not interested. Move on to someone worth your time
@@Scarshadow666That was way older than these movies
This was bang on and exactly what I thought when I watched the first movie. She doesn't actually love anybody by the way, only herself. She zaps attention and energy from several, tortures them all. Sadist.
Dude, the level of critique, analysis and hilarity on another level!
she didn't love peter, she loved that peter loved her. i feel like her true self and attitude were really shown in spiderman 3, some of her quotes were crazy. "tell me again, was i really good; the applause wasn't very loud", "tell me you love me, peter".. like it's so obvious how self obsessed she is
She is a narcistic bit*h but my problem is actually peter😭 Like bro, how are you still with her????!!
I think that’s why they showed her having daddy issues in part 1. She is a person without any love given to her which is why she was obsessed of being loved
@@rudymarroquin397 yeah i understand. i think it just would've been nice if we got to see improvement from her after being with peter
@@rudymarroquin397but that doesn't justify her being a biznach
@@dipayandasclassxisectiona6578 this is a fictional story, it’s not like she has a choice of what they wrote for her to do, they wanted her to be like that, than that’s what you get 💀
Fun fact: MJ in the MCU is not called Mary Jane her actual name in the MCU is Michelle Jones
She’s basically a different character that took her initials. Not just because of her name, but she looks different and acts drastically different.
I have a theory that mj will have a cameo in spider man and then after secret wars when Spider man 5 comes out she will get rebooted to mary jane watson and she will have red hair
I learned something thank you I guess not all TH-cam comments can be toxic.
@@Groggle7141I disagree ironically she acts more like MJ than the raimi one does 😂
She's far better than this MJ
4:18 Missed opportunity to say MJ Ultra
Damn man! You hit a homerun on this one.
In my youth, I was just so caught up in the Spider-Man story that I must've been tuning MJ TF out!
Cause I straight up DID NOT REALIZE how toxic she was! And then when you went into the 90's cartoon MJ, I was like "Tsh, I know this clown ain't got nothing on h........." Facial expression = @_@ I have never stood so firmly corrected in all my life.
Why did my memory make her seem like such a good person!
I thought what they had was so pure and undeniable.
God damn, nostalgia really does blind fools!
You forgot one of the worst ones: PS4 Mary Jane. While she never cheats or does anything like Raimi MJ, she sure as hell is annoying
She says "I may not have spider powers but I'm not made of glass" directly after sneaking into a facility guarded by HIGHLY TRAINED SOLDIERS WITH LASERS.
I'm sorry, but in a world where demon mobsters and 8 foot tall Rhinoceros men run rampant through the streets, yeah, you ARE made of glass, MJ
I know right?! Like bitch you CAN’T shrug off bullets like I do!
She apologized for that bro
@@kiteman02_64 doesn't stop her from being incredibly annoying. She's just as annoying in the dlc. When she finds out Peter might be a father (mind you Peter wasn't cheating, he and MJ were apart) MJ just says "uck" and hangs up. Like, how fucking rude is that? Sure, she apologizes for it later. But you can only apologize for being a bitch so many times before it no longer means anything
Oh look, it's Lucifer the gay clown.
@@kiteman02_64If I remember correctly, she doesn’t outright apologise for this specifically. I think she just generally apologises for being rude or something, or for being mad at Pete, which is just lackluster. I would definitely love to be corrected, because PS4 MJ is one of my least fav.
I have always said, you would never go for a woman like her if you have a shred of respect for yourself.
You would if it was her early comics. Lately it seems that Marvel has no idea what to do with her and the same goes with Peter. Neither have grown up for the past 17 years since their marriage was retconned and that's because Marvel doesn't want them to stay married, so because Marvel doesn't want Peter to grow up-- MJ as a character is affected by this.
@@anon9060because when they get married one of them dies 😂
But peter in the raimi series clearly suffers from low self steem which is why he puts up with MJ sheanenigans
@@anon9060 Im to young for that and plus I live in iran, there are no comics here. I saw the one in sam raimi spiderman, the one from the game and the one from the animated series. consider all the things she did like leaving her fiance at the alter or humiliating peter at every turn and she was clearly pleased with herself when doing them. no man with a shred of masculinity and respect for himself would ever go for a woman like her.
@@ashkanhooshmand6518 I mean Peter cheated on her too, yet you never really seem to mention that
Thankyou, the world needed to hear this
One has to wonder how much damage this toxic to-and-fro inflicted on the minds of young men who were trying to figure out relationships in this era.
Doubtlessly, this is where many poor dudes took the idea that IF you REALLY LOVED HER--and you didn't 'deserve' her if you didn't 'love' her--then you'd persist and be patient no matter how she treated you, or how little regard she showed for you.
Funny how the best Spider-Man girlfriend is from a obscure comic
You saw that video too?
Fax
@@jamestamsitt5806 ye
Do you have a link?
@@lorenzolara1148 I think it's th-cam.com/video/PBjPB4Fclas/w-d-xo.html.
Her marriage to Peter in the comics was the more interesting part for me.
She wasn't in the thickest of the fighting, but she had her own struggles too.
They both had to work together through their marriage with the personal stuff they both had going on. Know what else? They were a pretty good team in that regard.
Comic MJ: "Peter, you go deal with the current villain while I *explain* the realities of life to these other MJ's"
Comic Peter: "Ladies and Gents, the REAL Mary Jane Watson-Parker!!"
@@danielhaire6677comic MJ was so good. Why’d the writers ruin her 😭
@@donathan2933right even ultimate mj
@@surrotten3354 Ultimate MJ was great imo
@@donathan2933because Peter Parker must always suffer as far as the writers are concerned
The fact that in no way home when asked about MJ, he said “it’s complicated” means SHE STILL GIVING HIM SHIT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS
She saying that's our kiss when she had had no idea that Spider-Man was Peter Parker back then is a major red flag by itself.
Even as a kid, I never liked the MJ portrayal from the Raimi films. Her cheating/running away from poor John Jameson, her hopping between Peter and Harry and breaking Peter's heart, her kissing Spider Man without knowing who he was 😭😭 she added so much misery and stress to Peter's life. Thank you for pointing this all out, I love your humor and points and cuss-free content that I can watch with my sibs. New sub :))
? Peter rejected her wen they both liked each other, John was a rebound, Peter after losing his powers tried hard to get her back and she accepted her feelings to be with him. Harry knew Peter liked her and in part 2 said "she's waiting for u"
Yeah everyone just said “Rami’s spider man MJ was a bad one” when she’s pretty damn messed up
@@thegreatestever913 Still shitty to dump him on their wedding day
Dude, stop saying women are oversensetive cause look at men in the comments criying cause a character has personality and some deep. Both, mj and peter are real and complex characters and they are cool, if you want perfect goofy ass characters go watch a kids movie god 😅
@@danielaorellana8216 Who the fuck here said that women are oversensitive?
Toxic women need to be called out more. Not erased from scripts, but called out. I have an ex who always sides with the toxic women in movies and she has no reason to acknowledge the red flags because the movie treats them like they're perfect
That's actually insane but like the movie Scream said "don't blame the movies." I think she would have justified her behavior movie or not. Then again I don't know maybe you're right
i can just feel how she responded and saying reasons defending them
Yeah movie characters should be called out for bad behavior within the movie
Sounds like my ex
To be honest I am a girl and in never understood why everyone liked this toxic relationshipp no mather what I can't understand this. Some of my friends I try to advice to let this toxic relationshipp and find one who is really ther for you and wants to supportyou bot no they never listen to me. Three gusses you can make where is always coming crying to me becouse her boy-friend or girl-friend makes her/him emotional trouble?
this is the best thing I've seen in like 8 months... I love it and totally agree with you
Spider Man can't catch a break with these women even IRL
wanna know something funny about all this? across all the movies, they make it seem like peter wasn’t capable of getting a girlfriend besides mj. but in the third movie he was juggling Gwen, Betty Brandt, and the landlords daughter like it was nothing. he’s not ugly, he just lacks confidence lol.
The venom symbiote made him confident
Bully Maguire had that flow
The landlord’s daughter was a teenager right? I think she just had a crush on him which Peter knew and (wrongly) indulged in the third movie.
in the comics i heard Peter is a Rizz lord. not a Rizz God like Batman, but peter is up there.
@@LWLProductions I think she was supposed to be younger than Peter just by the way she acts and also because she seems to live with her father. But they had very non-teenager looking actors playing teenagers in the first film so I’m not completely sure myself. I just get “high school girl with a crush” vibes from her.
The wedding situation always makes me so sad. That dude really didn’t deserve that.
Definetly,i felt bad for him
Yeah, and all that money spent now wasted. I'm surprised that Jameson Sr didn't ruin her after that. Or maybe he did *hint-Spider Man 3-hint*.
I'm late but at least call off the dam wedding holy fuck dude
She had so many chances to call it of bevor but no she made it in the worst way to do
@@indiajohnson I would love it if J.J.J. was the one who ruined her Broadway career.
I honestly never noticed how toxic she was lol
Dont forget the no way home scene where he is reluctant to talk about it, says "we made it work"..... shouldn't've have to force it to to begin with
I want to see a story line of Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy are the main villains of a Spider story. With MJ being pure evil and Gwen being a broken hero that redemped herself.
Don't forget Felicia Hardy she's a hypocritical ally cat that steals
Yes that would be awesome
Pretty sure there is carnage queen mj in Gwen comics
@@superjerick9669Really? Interesting 😅 they've beefed before, eh?
I mean mj became carnage in ultimate
I’m just gonna say it, Harry knew Peter liked MJ and still got with her despite that💀
They both played peter and he ended up getting revenge in return....he beat up harry and brought gwen to the place mj was working at just to flirt infront of mj with another woman...and slapped mj on top of that, oh yeah I forgot he got revenge on Eddie too...damn now that i think about he got revenge on sandman aswell, peter went of a revenge spree in spider-man 3 lol😂
@@matthewlee4697 best character building arch ever😂😂😂
@@gabrielschultis6486 lol 😂
@@matthewlee4697 Thats what happens when you take shit from people for that long
We all got some venom in us💀
@@Someone-iu1nc I completely agree 👍
4:33 had me fucking dead. 😭
good shit man
After the terrible that today way I really enjoyed this video, laufghed a lot. Thanks fot that! Keep em coming ^^
7:34 Peter kissed an unknown while being in a relationship, mary jane: 😤💥😱
Mary jane after doing the same : ☺️
Rules for thee not for me
MJ be secretly going around New York trying to rizz up every single guy
and people call spider gwen manipulating
@@jacknite625 EXACTLY
@@jacknite625as least she had reason to be because of the threat of returning to her universe. MJ is doing this shit for no reason
@@lucifermagne7458 exactly meanwhile mj is going out and enbraising the street life
she would be the LI in every movie in the MCU
Just came across this channel,this video made me laugh so much. Love it.
Thanks for making this, needed to be said.
When watching spiderman 2, I really felt bad for Jameson's son. He seemed like such a nice guy that didn't deserve being left at the altar just because he was being used to get to Peter.
Well it showed how much MJ values Peter.
She wants him more than an astronaut.
Peter has created his own value.
@@vorpalinferno9711Is that supposed to justify anything?
Same here 😢 poor guy
@@vorpalinferno9711 MJ straight up ditched him at the altar. I'd get it if she told him she wanted to break up sooner, but waiting until the last second was a messed up thing to do.
@@ThePridePilot Why are you after justifications? if you want justifications then all the villains are justified.
MJ in the insomniac games definitely tracks with this. Girl goes out of her way to put herself in the most danger and gets mad at Peter when he just wants her to be safe. I appreciate her bravery and willingness to be on the frontlines but I emphasize with Peter’s frustration so much.
For me, it was that she didn’t take a mask, web bombs or a drone, or ask for any type of emergency gadgets for if stealth failed. Being proactive was fine, she was just being stupid about it
True. I would say she has a zeal without knowledge
I sort of get why she didn't like Peter constantly treating her like she's made out of glass since she's clearly done this so often that shes almost an expert at it, but at the same time, there were so many times where she only got out of because of Peter soooooooo....
@MrKingJson tbh the only reason she survived was luck and thugs being stupid. I mean, the thugs hear some boxes fall or glass breaking and don't immediately call for backup to secure the whole area? That's pure stupidity. And mj was also super lucky that that taser she grabbed somehow managed to work on enemies covered in advanced armor from head to toe.
@@xmant8842Exactly! In reality she would’ve been killed.
this enlighten my day fr
Norman Osborne was right about her.
Ngl one of the best interpretations of mj is probably the one in peter b parker's earth, she's just so loving in the movie
Most definitely
fr dude she is one of the few versions of MJ that don't suck
Even marvels Spiderman cartoons is more likable in comparison
@khaliyahjefferson832 True, Even Marvel Rising And Other Bad Or Mediocre MJs In Any Media Is Better Than Raimi's MJ
I think both MJs in that movie are great. Both were very kind and caring.
“From the streets did she emerge; and to the streets she will return. And I say unto you, ‘She is for the streets.’ So be not weary when she must return from whence she came.”
Book of Future, Ch. 1 Verses 1-3
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Amen 🙏
Fax my brother 🙏
Amen 🙏🏾
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Whoo, I needed a laugh. THANK YOU!
She is a classic narcissist.
never knew why peter was so dumb in these movies, like choosing mj over gwen?
gwen was the way
Usually MJ isn’t even considered until Gwen is already dead to be fair. He never leaves her because he’s loyal… even though she isn’t loyal at all
Or Mr Landlord's (i forgot his name) daughter
@@Lee-jg1vdshe fr gave my boy Peter chocolate cake and milk like come on Peter go for her
@@nafmaja5612mr dickavitch or something like that
She's def not like this in the comics. She's very supportive to peter, and isn't a damsel in distress, until the most recent run in the comics ruined her. If you wanna see a comic accurate version watch spectacular spider man, or just look at gwen in spider man 3, because they literally gave her comic mj's personality
You mean the amazing Spider-Man right?
Cause Emma Stone is the perfect MJ.
@@incognit01233Gwen & mj we’re always the same person to me in the comics. Both supportive of Peter even when not knowing he’s Spider-Man
@@abdoucisse894 No, Gwen was a literal antagonist in her early years then became a boring source of terrible drama. Ala Mary Jane in the overhyped raimi movies.
They killed her off for a reason and MJ stepped up as the waifu.
She was without a doubt welcomed with open arms over Gwen who was quickly forgotten about.
Even Black Cat was just a super slutty cat themed version of MJ.
But then had kids with a guy named Paul
Gwen became better thanks to the Amazing Spider-Man movies. She was given a personality by Emma.
To be honest Mary James was the Most untrustworthy character in this series.
That cookie girl was way better. She is beautiful, loves and cares for Peter and Peter gets to have cookies.
“Mary Jane bein a thot has to be a canon event” IM DEAD YO! 💀🤣
I think she was at her worst in Spiderman 3. She made it all about herself and even resented Peter for being more popular than her. She treats peter as if he's working a 9-5 job doing overtime that doesnt give her enough time but in reality peter is doing a very important duty that she herself knew what it was and what she'd have to tolerate at the end of Spiderman 2. Given, Peter messed up kissing Gwen, but I'd say Bully Maguire gave her a taste of her own well deserved medicine.
*Spider-Man
Bully Maguire
@@TheDealer1228 your-mom
@@boltskyline2957heh😂
I understand she was reasonably mad about the kiss, but from Peter's perspective it was just a publicity stunt that didn't mean anything.
Thank you for pointing all of this out. Bc watching this younger, I learned all the wrong lessons. When I got my own MJ, a gorgeous girl of my dreams, I learned all about what toxic was, first hand
Gwen was too clingy in the comics.If you think about it,MJ killed Gwen.She toyed with Harry about their relationship which led him to doing drugs.Eventually this causes Norman to snap back to being the Green Goblin and boom,Gwen dies.
MJ is a perfect example of just because your highschool crush is pretty doesn't mean you should chase her.
I was 19 years old in 2002 and even as a literal teenager with no experience in relationships I HATED this version of MJ. I genuinely could _not_ understand why Peter was SO hung up on this awful, unfaithful girl. She was SO wishy washy and untrustworthy. And the fact that she was CONSTANTLY flaunting her relationships in Peter's face was honestly _disgusting._ She WANTED him to give her a reaction. I think she got off on seeing him hurt and miserable and suffering and looking like a crushed puppy. She very obviously could tell that he had a crush on her.
I was SO disappointed when in _Spiderman: No Way Home_ Tobey McGuire's Peter confirmed that he was with her. How much drama and stress must she be putting him through _on top_ of his stress of being Spiderman? How many guys has she cheated on him with? How many times has he _forgiven_ her?
I just _can'ttttt._ 😭
Peter deserved better bro
She reminds me of the female version of my ex boyfriend
We can understand all the wrinkles now
@@user-tm8eb9ge5w What wrinkles and who has wrinkles?
@@namkia205 I think he's talking about Toby's Spiderman in No Way Home.
she is just a modern western woman
Bro this genuinely made me laugh. Great video man DEAD
She is AWFUL in the Maximum Carnage arc. She knows Peter has his hands full with the chaos in the streets, yet she constantly nags the hell out of him -- even making it a point to go to the CLUB and flirt with other men, nearly getting killed and having to be saved by Peter anyway.
My goodness, MJ has to be THE WORST fiction GF character ever.
Yeah, but Maximum Carnage had Shriek using her powers, to brainwash the entire city, bringing out the worst from EVERYONE in New York. You can't blame MJ for not being immune to something that was affecting even the superheroes, to the point it hindered their efforts to stop the villains.
I'd agree, but Amber from the animated Invincible is AWFUL.
"I don't care if you literally had your guts punched out, you weren't at the SOUP KITCHEN!"
@@thedrewdog I almost forgot about that.
@@thedrewdog "yeah, I'm not an idiot, I figured out you're a superhero risking your life and limbs every day to protect the innocents, and by proxy have enemies that will target everyone close to you, but WE'VE BEEN DATING FOR 2 MONTHS AND I DESERVED TO KNOW!"
(Also, idc if I knew it was you that literally saved lives at the college campus, imma spin it like you abandoned me cuz you're an asshole)
The sad thing is that the Mary-Jane Watson-Parker we had in the comics from 1987 to 2007 was a great and well written character, for the most part, but because Joe Quesada had a massive hate boner for the concept of marriage due to his own one going tits up we saw both the Peter/MJ and Cyclops/Jean marriages well an truly get thrown under the bus.
This.
Glad you're calling Quesada out.
@@williamedwards4151 for me Quesada was one of the worst EICs Marvel had. Seriously, though the 00s turned out a lot of stuff that was better than what we had in the 90s or what we would go on to have from 2012 onwards, a lot of editorial mandates he made were horrible. Seriously, there were times he made DeFalco's EIC tenure look like Stan Lee's or Jim Shooter's.
Marriage in America is dead not a smart move for a successful man
@@Ntwadumela89 Pretty much, but the way Quesada portrays it is a tragedy that they had to be separated, when in reality Peter should've been on his grindset.
Years and years and years of shrinks. Lol you had me rollin.
"Mary Jane having to be a thot has to be a canon event"
That's a level 4 burn if i ever heard one
As much as I love these movies, the did MJ’s character so dirty. It’s to the point that everyone thinks that this is what MJ is like, which for the most part is just not true in the comics.
Denial someone literally made very much contrast between different characters MJ is not the one she just not she literally started zero purpose so stop dick riding for a minute
AND THEN ALONG CAME PAUL
Exactly, Mary Jane is cool overall, just not in the Raimi films.
@@danielendless honestly, I don't know what is up with the writes/ higher ups, but they are doing everything they can to make MJ seem as unlikable as possible, and unfortunately, it has worked on a good set of the fanbase. And it's a shame because in older stories, she was a great character and her development was beyond most other "love interests"
The spectacular spider man series makes her mroe likable
The Sam Raimi universe’s Mary Jane is the definition of a selfish human being. In Spider-Man 3, when MJ was talking to Peter in his apartment, she says: “This isn’t about you, this is about me.”
When she said that I felt no remorse when he slapped her
Sam Raimi MJ is the type of person who would Sacrifice New York to the God Hand.
@@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666 fr tho
She really thinks she’s the main character
@@RandomPear87Bro really thought this movie was called Mary-Jane 3
I genuinely hate what they did with MJ and Peter in SM2. Insomniac is just horrible here.
MJ: dates multiple guys, abandons someone in their own wedding, and constantly manipulates peter.
Peter: I can fix her
"At this point, Mary Jane being a thot has to be a canon event."
I actually lolled
Was bout to quote this, but i figured id find this already in here lol.
Even as a kid, I never got why people liked her in these films.
I just skip the romance parts,tbh 😅
Bro, as a kid I was also like, “thats kinda messed up mj”
Ah I only like her on the first film
@@IobsterpetersonI don't think that word means what you think it means. Ignoring a character's shit behaviour because they're hot and you want the main character to fuck the only option the movie will actually give them is the opposite of nuance.
@AlonzoTompkins Same
That chris breezy reference was on point, well done bro
Fun fact: Stan Lee himself believed Peter's true love is Gwen Stacy. So all the "ship him with MJ" Marvel does always felt weird in spite of having better girls for him.
Unfortunately Gwen Stacy is dead.
That’s a shame.
Not really, Gwen only loved Peter, while Marry Jane love both Peter Parker & Spider-Man, and she's old reliable
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GODno she loves Paul 💀
@@jlopez240gaming7 who doesn't love Paul walker
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD not exactly that, gwen only loved peter yes but that change later as she get to know him and spider (and stop beliving tha spider killed her dad) and become supportive of peter and spider. Same thing with black cat where she just loves pier and later star to discoverr what she missed by dimissing peterand that he is actualy someno she could love. Mary Jane in general have nice felings for the 2 and as she get realy in love she knows that the 2 are the one and same and now marvel writers break her too sadly, because spider never get a break.
"Mary Jane being a thot has to be a cannon event." Now that is some good comedy gold right there.
5:45 😭😭that "B#### GET OUT DA WAY" was personal 💀💀
I remember when my dad was watching the trilogy with me, he said, ‘This woman is an opportunist. She doesn’t care about anyone as long as it benefits her in any way.’
Sucks that Raimi dialed MJ’s toxic traits to eleven since she’s only acted like this in the 60’s and dumb recent comics. And the former was presented as a character flaw that she worked on before she got with Peter and became one of the most sweet and relatable couples.
Raimi wrote the villains really well but he *did not* get any of the protagonists.
Aunt May sucks, she exists to make Peter feel guilty and that's it.
Peter's just a loser and he removed his intelligence because Raimi didn't find being smart relatable. He's not funny, he's just pitiful.
MJ is...MJ.
@@AJadedLizard I don't get you, honestly. I don't see how Raimi didn't understand Peter and Aunt May.
@@DertzerRaimis peter was the worst hes spitting pure facts
@@Dertzer Do you think May exists to make Peter feel guilty? Do you think Peter is meant to be an average dweeb without any kind of personality whose sole goal is getting with the super toxic childhood friend he has no chemistry with?
@@AJadedLizard Bruh, Rami's Aunt May inspires him and is one of the main sources of light and hope in the world for him whenever he feels defeated. Maguire's Peter is fine the way he is. Yeah sure he may not be highly intelligent compared to Garfield and Holland but his humanity as a struggling young adult trying to balance out life is not wasted or underutilized compared to Garfield and Holland.
8:54 idk how that slap from Spider-Man didn’t break her jaw
Awesome video there... I admit, i never looked at it this way. I'm used to "good women are right, men wrong", so I always thought MJ is caught in the web of Peter's indecisiveness. But I did notice a couple of things that bugged me always :
- When peter missed the play, MJ didn't even care about why he missed it. Come on, Peter got run over by a truck on his pathetic motorcycle, he wasn't even spidermanning. He could just as well have been paralyzed in a hospital bed and MJ would have called him saying "don't try anymore, you suck".
- The Jameson dude looks like a douchebag... but he never acts as such. He's completely neutral, passive, stuff happens to him because he's just a nice piece of furniture for MJ.
I always thought these were scriptwriting mistakes perhaps... but now you've opened my eyes !
This is a gem. Both funny and informative. Like, really, boys should stay away from women who treat them like that.
Shes not the most toxic woman, but the most dangerous villain spider-man has ever faced
She belongs to the streets
all wrapped in one