No comparison between Clark and Kelsey, NEVER was. Plum NEVER had the following. Plum had a harder transformation because she’s only 5’8”. The fact that Kelsey Plum did survive, is a testament to her dawg mentality. It took her much longer, but she never quit.
Kelsey Mitchell is actually same height as Kelsey Plum but Mitchell played better than Plum by miles. Plum have much better team than Mitchell’s. No excuse for Plum. She’s just not that good.
Like what does that actually mean. When you say you're a dawg? Every time I hear a player refer to themselves as a dawg or I'm that dawg, it makes me want to have a seizure.
@@haddenmiller4364 Plum went the the University of Washington (like I did). The mascot is a Husky dog. So, by definition, she's a dawg. From what I gather, she underwent the same sort of abuse as Caitlin Clark. It took her longer to adjust, but she is obviously an excellent WNBA player now.
CC22 is better than Wilson, thats why they had to foul her out of the season. If they dont start refereeing the games correctly, no one will watch anymore.
JEFF WOOTEN #23 REF Was clearly corrupt and even had Rebecca Lobo, the broadcaster, laughing at his “”no call” when MABREY swiped her arm across CC face. There was plenty of times when I reviewed the game that he was definitely favoring Connecticut. He needs to be fired. They must get better refs and ones that are not corrupt.
@@lgambertin4018 “You” people are the dumbest people in the world, CC is a superstar she is the greatest player in the universe she “you” people (god).
@@Edward_Johnson3 Nah, but the WNBA mob and their fans think we're the devil. Hehe, they'll have to Caitlin Clark before we're going away, sorry. And they've certainly tried their best, but she's still rockin' them all on their heels.
@@Edward_Johnson3 you realize thats how some nba fans started right? I know people that didnt know basketball but they were Jordan fans...you clowns dont know history...just cause he says hes a CC fan what he doesnt know is he has his foot in the WNBA door as a fan. However the WNBA actively does everything in their power to push those future fans awaya
I work in an elementary school in Ga. 50 miles north of Atlanta. When the Fever played the Dream, I know there were at least 7 kids who parents shelled out at least 100.00 per ticket to take those kids go see a girl from Iowa ball it out. Ga is not a woman’s basketball place, but that kid from near the cornfields has got a lot of kids talking and watching. BTW, I grew up in Iowa and yes, I went to the game as well.
Mick, you hit a home run! There were three types of people early on regarding Caitlin. Of course, fans, but then those who stated early she would be only average who can't now admit they were wrong, and those still in denial.
Sabrina Ionescu had the full arm of the media behind her. Her Senior year her name was everywhere. Everything Taurasi and Geno said about CC really applied to Sabrina. She really did not have the mental makeup to survive the Rookie Gauntlet. Whereas CC played ball against the boys. As Geno said, CC gives as much as she gets back. CC does not back down from any of these girls. If the refs would call a fair game, CC stats would be incredible. CC should have shot minimum 8 FT per game.
My favorite ''give back'' was when CC paid back Carrington in game 1, the eye poke game. CC wacked Carrington upside the head so hard it knocked out her contact lens. I watched that about a dozen times. Loved it.
Kelsey Plum is the reason Diana Taurasi said “reality is coming”. She has seen this situation play out over and over. So I don’t blame her for thinking it would happen yet again. Since that comment she’s come around and now respects Clark as a player. But you have to earn it and she did.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 i saw a video of kelsey plum saying that when she was a rookie diana taurasi pretended to be her friend on the court and was talking to her then as soon as she got distracted taurasi elbowed her in the belly 😂 kelsey plum got that caitlin clark treatment before clark
@@jamesdellaneve9005 i can’t lie it would be funny if clark gave paige the rookie treatment considering clark haters think paige is gonna be better than clark which means there saying she’ll be top 3 in mvp so she has to be tested
WNBA fumbled because they aren’t ready for prime time. CC is whole different level. She’s actually playing like a pro and most of girls in WNBA aren’t. We have witnessed too many easy layups missed. It’s pathetic. They run so slow but Clark is very fast and actually making easy layups. So WNBA aren’t used to CC’s greatness. Reality is coming. The new era of WNBA is here.
@masonpalazzolo2387 Off the dribble Clark is the fastest player in the WNBA. Nobody can keep up with her. That's why she's so often double-teamed and flagrant fouled. She is playing at a diffrent level; that's why Indiana scores fastbreak layups off of made baskets and why she led the league in assists. She makes everybody better.
@Xoulrath_ : My point is Ionescu never got her chance to be the player she could have been. And she did prove at the college level that she was one of the best passers ever at that level. I admit, probably not as good as Clark but she never got the chance in the WNBA to prove otherwise.
@@leeboy7139 and yet Clark has already proven it, while being hindered from all sides. Sabrina is great without question. But she isn't putting up the numbers that Caitlyn did, in her rookie year, while being targeted all game long. Clark really is changing the game, along the lines of a Jordan/Magic/Bird. So cool, Sabrina got 10 more triple doubles in college. It is an accomplishment, to be sure. But Caitlyn brought an underwhelming Iowa team to the Final Four, back to back, basically on her own. Hell, Caitlyn could fall off hard next year. This could have been her best year. Who knows; shit happens. But if she continues to adapt and elevate her game, then we haven't seen anything yet. And with the new crop of rookies having similar natural talent, this really is a changing of the guard for the WNBA. Like it or not, it started with Clark. But everyone has to downplay what she's down because "we gotta be respectful to the people that came before," all while forgetting to be respectful to her.
When CC played for Iowa, she was Iowa! And Iowa women’s basketball was Caitlin Clark. She was reason the team excelled! She single-handedly pulled the team up into the stratosphere. Every other player on that team excelled because of her. All the other players who went into WNBA were part of elite basketball teams. Iowa had mediocre players who were elevated to excellence by Caitlin Clark. This could clearly be seen by the fan base, her skills were phenomenal , her court IQ unmatched. They were always the underdog against the teams like UConn and South Carolina. Place style is electrifying , hypnotizing. I never watched a WNBA game in my life. Once I saw Caitlin Clark, I was hooked. I did not miss any of her games after that. I did not watch any other WNBA games are boring and uninteresting to me. I am not watching nor interest to watch the playoffs.
@@cruces007 I hate to be the one that calls you a liar, Kate Marten is a good player and Hannah Stuelke is going to play in the “W” She shut “AR” down when Iowa played LSU.
@@independentaquaman7424 You can say what you want to say but Hannah Stuelke is a really good basketball player she scored 45 points against Tennessee, and that young lady can play basketball.
@@Edward_Johnson3 Yes they had some talent but where do you think Iowa would have ranked in woman's collegiate basketball wiithout CC? They just did not have the depth of talent other programs had. They probably would have ranked in the middle of pack ( mediocre) and not even have made it to sweet sixteen or final four or played for national championship. How much of an impact has Kate Martin had on WNBA ? She definitely was a clutch player for Iowa in the collegiate season as were others but without CC they would not have made much of impact in womens collegiate BB.
Even her own coaches and GM at "The Indiana Fear" planned to use her as a shooting guard and wait until her 3rd year to have a competitive team. Stupid! 👊
I'm new to the WNBA. My info is that there's assistance from the NBA, .. and that has kept the WNBA afloat, .. and however this is being a continuing thing. So, .. if you're allowed to run, in the red .. you can sort of do, what you want, how you want .. and what's the difference? This year's WNBA attendance surge (for some teams), by a different kind of fan profile, .. is rocking the boat.
The fact that the WNBA treated their top rookies like trash is what’s truly disgusting. It’s no wonder this league has failed so miserably. They are on welfare from the NBA and have fallen into a victim mentality for so long that when so new hopper comes along, they immediately try to destroy it. They are not popular because they are just implacable! We’ve heard it before from rookies that were harassed so much that they just quit. Athletes need positive support to maintain their confidence. Shooting is all about confidence! Passing is also about confidence. Even running is hampered by choking. The fact that CC brushed it all off tells us how incredible a talent she is. The new head office hopefully gives CC the backing to unleash her full potential next year. Caitlin Clark is going to be a beast, a monster next year if she gets the backing of a good coach!
Now that NIL $ is allowed in college the rookies are coming in with endorsements, other outside income and fans.Who is a popular player is being determined at the college level. CC was seen as an underdog by not coming out of one of the top programs ( LDU, SC, UConn etc..) which boosted her popularity.The days of the rookies having to ride the bench putting in their time before being started is done. Everyone whether a vet or rookie is going to have to fight for their spot. Change is here.
Ionescu has the record for the most triple doubles in WNCAA division 1 history with 27. Clark is a distant second at 17. She can also hit the logo 3s consistently. She was playing Clark's game before Clark even went to Iowa. So the Liberty turned what was probably the most talented point guard in the WNBA at that time, into a shooting guard and called it a success. Sides wanted to do Clark what the Liberty did to Ionescu and "break her bad habits". In the post game interview after the last Liberty/Fever game, there was a sadness in Ionescu's face and the way she talked about Clark, that went beyond disappointment in losing a game. Clark is doing, what Ionescu imagined herself to be doing, just a few years ago but the Liberty coached it out of her.
i don’t think sabrina ever had the passing ability clark did though but i agree with your point though sabrina could’ve done something similar to what clark is doing if they didn’t coach it out of her also clark shoots from more of a distant than sabrina
@@wnnakwkqkq8636 She may not have the sheer talent and flair that CC has, but Sabrina throws dimes. The Liberty players and system also opens up a lot for her, so she doesn't force it as much as Caitlin does, which means the turnovers are much lower.
@@aden538 ye that is true but if clark played with jonquel jones and stewart i think she’d do better than sabrina considering she shots from more of a distance the way team will guard her will give stewie and jones lots of space
Interesting take, some other data on triple-doubles, no other player is out of the single digits in NCAA WBB. The big difference between Ionescu and Clark, is that Clark can play like Ionescu as a pass-first PG, but Ionescu can't shoot the lights out like Clark can. Clark had 1500 points more in college that Ionescu.
Let's say you are right about the WBNA expecting that CC is not that good, doesn't mean that a professionell league should be able to adjust right in time. It is just one of many fumbles of the WNBA...
It’s so crazy cuz when curry had the hype, lebron co-signed and showed up to watch Davidson and always spoke highly of him. Aja doesn’t understand that’s doing that might have made people like her more
No one thought she was going to be this good Mick. You had Reese ahead of Caitlin for ROTY half way through the year and was saying Fever would be better off tanking this season. A lot of people thought she would be good, no one thought she would be 4th in MVP good.
Your argument sprung a leak mid-season and doesn't hold water. Maybe going into the season they thought CC was going to be another Plum. After the break, CC blew the bottom out of that bucket. They had a chance to make up for it at end of season but this lamest of lame ROTY awards PROVES there is much, much more to their disdain. Someone (hint, hint) should take a look back and see how previous ROTY awards were handled.
I watched her in a game in college and she played well made some spectacular shots and they won easily. A few days later ESPN showed a clip of fans lining up like the day before for one of her games . Speaking to some of them you realized many were not local but had come from far away places. Now I’m super curious and followed her during that 2023 final four run. At that point I couldn’t wait for her senior year. Total miscalculation and showed how little faith the league had in its new players. To quote someone “a blind man could’ve seen it” 🤦♂️
CC for sure lived up to the hype. Magic did as well winning his national championship in college and living up to the hype in his draft year as well. CC showed you that she’s special it’s up the her league if they can believe it and support her.
What nonsense are you saying, CC never needed the league to support her since she'll always be the main Boss in stats and ratings plus outside of ESPN and WNBA CC is respected in Euro League etc they see this mistreatment and ridicule it
@@washuneluvhada7616 Im saying they need to support her because that’s important for a rookie. That’s why I compare her to Magic or Bird because those type of players got high praise and support for their talent. But sadly I have to remind myself support and appreciation doesn’t exist in the WNBA.
@@OhNoJake okay I agree with you, apologies. But you have to stop and think about the fact that we are the MAJORITY, not them. They've been dragging Caitlin and her fans through the mud all season until they were forced to admit the truth when the reality came, God works in mysterious ways and CC being a Christian in a predominately LBGQT plus plus what what, never sat well with them, the saviour they never wanted but needed I guess. You see it in her games, happy families taking kids to see a role model that'll positively influence their kids lives, WNBA approval was never needed, she transcended that... Literally
The only wnba players I'd heard of before CC other than super old players like Cheryl Miller was Tarausi and Griner and Griner wasn't even because of bball.
So will the WNBA make the same mistake in CCs second year? And with the next few rookie classes coming through will that force them to look seriously at how to promote the game? CC will always have her fans no doubt about that so whichever team she plays for is going to be golden revenue wise. But if the WNBA wants to cash in too then they probably need to work harder at promoting her and all the big stars.
The thing is, if the players and the league didn't kick up a fuss about her it wouldn't have been so crazy. the only reason she popped up on my radar, someone who has never cared about sports in my life, is because of all the drama and downplaying her talent. So i started watching some of the college games and highlight reels and then got totally sucked in lol and now i watch other teams, too (when i can... there's way too many games happening on the same day/same week)
I agree with every word you just said. Especially the 2nd point where the WNBA would've preferred to basically rather have no fans at all than the "Barstool fans" as you call us who recognized CC as the 🐐 in the making early on when she was at Iowa.
the wnba should have realised that clark was different when the wnba draft had a millions of viewers, they thought shed fail thats why they had the fever play that ridiculous schedule at the start of the season they thought/wanted clark to fail but her fans to stick around to watch the almighty aja or the liberty. Even after she started to deliver, they still thought she'd fail, even after the Olympics and she started to play atva whole different level they wanted her to fail.
Something feels off with Plum. The stuff she does in interviews and in press conferences is very bizarre. I wonder how much insane shit she's had to deal with from this league.
@@mikegall7542lmao. CC is liked by many even in overseas. I don’t even know who is Kelsey Plum until I watched CC playing against her. Same thing for Angel Reese and Aja Wilson.
Nah dude, no way can we know what shit Plum had to put up with and the egg shells she had to walk on! Seriously Plum is a nice girl inside i feel. I personally am going to give her some slack and see what she says about and treats CC next year before I put her on my "never love" list.
@@mikegall7542 Strike that, reverse it. Clark's popularity is clearly the reason for the huge surge in WNBA attendance and viewership. Not to mention merch, etc. Unless you are talking about the wicked, self-centered, jealous players who don't like her. But not all WNBA players are like that. Just the evil, jealous ones.
Interesting, I had made that correlation between Plum and CC22 during last nights games. It almost seems like Plum should have been the original CC22; however, sometimes the first version of the product is not as successful as the new and improved version.
Clark is 10x as headstrong as Plum. Temperamentally, they could not be any different, and this is very easy to spot if you watch them. Clark has anti-social 'fuck you' energy. Plum has anxious 'please like me' energy.
Caitlin Clark is popular bexiae she was pulling shots from the logo and Angel decided to taunt her on the biggest stage…. That day sparked a massive increase in Iowa and Clark fans. Its documented
I do not think this class is that special. Of course CC is and Brink would have been. Rickea is below special. AR rebounding is special. I do not think the WNBA is special. I think they have around 10 special players before this year. About 10 really good players. 70 role players and 54 bench players that are cheerleaders and mop up players. 3 new teams are coming in over the next two years. Not a lot of special in the next 2 years of classes in WCBB. This average league will be even more average when 3 new teams join.
I do agree the expansion will water down the talent pool greatly which in the w is NOT a good thing, look at what has happened to baseball with so many teams, if you average every pitcher's stats by 9 innings EVERY pitcher in baseball is now a strikeout pitcher with 9,10 11 K's per 9 innings WHY? because the hitters suck because of the watered down expansion, way too many teams for the creme to rise to the top
Like I keep saying. The WMBA wasn't ready for CC. If Sides had a clue, she would have had her team read to catch a pass and put it in the hoop. If CC teammates were ready to catch a pass and make a lay-up, she probably would have averaged 12 to 15 assists a game. They did improve towards the end of their season, but the beginning was ugly.
I played ball and just started caring about the W like so many. I would love to hear your insight to what sabrina has gone through before this year.. And the similarities to what CC is dealing with. If you could be so kind! :)
Watch Bill Burr’s comedy bit on the WNBA. Hilarious and true. “The women should make more.” “Oh yeah? Who’s your favorite player? What’s the name of the team in your city?”
Kelsey Plum does not have the brightest mind like CC. Just look at the way she answer every interview or conference. You can tell by just that. So lets not compare Kelsey to Caitlin please……
well... she do lead the league in turnovers.... then again... no one is even close to generating 38 points and only Luka beats her in the NBA of the 45% of her teams points.... Everybody except the WNBA marketing team and commissioner realized what was coming... they should all be fired.. and get someone professional doing it.
She lead in turnovers because she held the ball most and passed more than any wnba players did in history. More turnovers is expected. Not only that but her team couldn’t catch the ball. She have the most assists for that reason. If you look at all homers in MLB, they have the most strikeouts because they swing more often just as CC passed the ball more often.
Kelsey Plum as food as she is is not.xlose to being as impactful on the floor and off as CC is. Ionescu is closer but still doesn't make the grade as the double teams and blitzed last night showed. CC dealt with it all year and didn't take long to figure it out and beat it.
Agree with most of what you say other than the WNBA wanted CC to fail because CC does wrong think expecting PB who does right think to be sufficient a year later. The WNBA have refused all suggestions to "improve" the game for viewership. They have always complained it was "marketing". Only 3 years ago (2021) the WNBA, lead by Cathy the Clown and her Crew, sold 16% for $75M for a marketing budget so they ain't about to admit they were robbed in daylight until the press questions the sense in that deal if the league was supposedly "always growing". #16475
It took a while, but it did eventually dawn on me that the reason why so many people were being critical of CC22 and the beliefs and attitudes of her fans is that they just. weren't. watching. her. play.
WNBA made that assumption and then doubled down on it when everyone with eyes could see the greatness. Their decision and actions have lost me as a potential fan. I wouldn't be shocked to see CC make career decisions that don't include them in the future.
saying kelsey plum is similar to CC is like comparing apples and oranges . plum averaged 4 assists , 4 rebounds and 25 points for her college career not really that close .
Mick brought up how Clark and Bueckers were co-national freshmen of the year and that Bueckers was national player of the year. But what many don't realize is that Clark only got voted 2nd team all-American. Using logic alone, if Clark was good enough in voters' eyes to be named co-freshman of the yr with Bueckers, who herself was deemed good enough to be player of the yr, then how TF is Clark not considered good enough to make 1st team all-American?? And it's even more of a joke given that Clark led the nation in scoring and assists (led in total asts, 3rd in average) that season. And then if you actually compare her season to some of those who made 1st team, Clark's omission seems even more egregious.
If the WNBA doesn't thank CC for anything else, there is one thing the should be thankful for her play in the league. And that is, she has elevated the discussion of the WNBA way past the they need to lower the basket talk. When was the last time you heard someone say it. The W is actually exciting to watch now.
The average Joe/Sue never heard of Plum, A'JA, Sabrina but they know Caitlin Clark and why is that. It is because she has a presence on the court that the others will never have. You either like it or you dislike it. Her game style is that of the mens style of play, the others play the womens brand of basketball and that is why they fail to attract.
I dont think the underestimated her play that much as much as they did her her ability to be THE general on the court. Lets face it, if she had went to say the Aces she probably would have shined the bench for at least part of her rookie year. They did underestimate the fan base she was gonna bring tho. College basketball has a huge fanbase but it rarely transfers over to the next level. Or has as big an impact. but when u are serving up a hamburger to people and then u decide to put a piece of cheese on it people are gonna notice.
Have you considered the WNBA ruined everyone's play before CC and tried to also ruin CC (notice early season games to make HER fit)? But Clark fought back and finally proved her way was better. WNBA doesn't play serious ball, it's all about showcasing their star players of each team. NBA plays rough, but WNBA plays dirty rough.
Honestly, after The Mercury game I thought Dianasourasi was going to, voluntarily, step out of the Olympic team and let Caitlin go. That would have been classy and better than getting a fake gold medal!
Not to make unfounded comparisons to Taylor Swift and Caitlin Clark, but the same way that T Swift might bring more attention and money to the NFL than most of their marketing campaigns or brand recognition has for a number of years, CC22 might bring more money & attention to all of pro basketball than all of their marketing machines have for years. That’s despite the wnba fumbling this bag over and over and over again. The NBA and possibly MLB might cash in on her rising celebrity more than her own league if the W leaders aren’t careful.
Caitlin Clarksuckers are ridiculous. Never in the history of basketball has there been a rookie or college player who has been treated better, gotten more opportunity, than Clark. 37 minutes per game, gets the ball 60+ times per game, gets to guard the weakest opponent player, never has to box out (wouldn't even if she had to), gets 30+ screens set for her, lets her travel backwards and sideways to get shots off, lets her smack and push and hold defenders with her off hand; they heap praise on her for her mediocre shooting and fundamental passes. Again, bitchin about how "they" treat her is ridiculous.
Everyone talking about numbers while plum has 2 championships. Goes to show how much sense people make comparing rookie numbers and statistics don't mean nothing what matters is when you show up and execute when the lights are the brightest. You can only hope for Caitlin Clark to be a two time champion , I'm ready for the cry and then excuse me now
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No comparison between Clark and Kelsey, NEVER was. Plum NEVER had the following. Plum had a harder transformation because she’s only 5’8”. The fact that Kelsey Plum did survive, is a testament to her dawg mentality. It took her much longer, but she never quit.
Kelsey Mitchell is actually same height as Kelsey Plum but Mitchell played better than Plum by miles. Plum have much better team than Mitchell’s. No excuse for Plum. She’s just not that good.
All you have to do is compare their numbers from each of their rookie years and it will make you sick how they’ve treated Clark.
Like what does that actually mean. When you say you're a dawg? Every time I hear a player refer to themselves as a dawg or I'm that dawg, it makes me want to have a seizure.
Plum has adopted the mentality of the rest of the league.
@@haddenmiller4364 Plum went the the University of Washington (like I did). The mascot is a Husky dog. So, by definition, she's a dawg. From what I gather, she underwent the same sort of abuse as Caitlin Clark. It took her longer to adjust, but she is obviously an excellent WNBA player now.
CC22 is better than Wilson, thats why they had to foul her out of the season. If they dont start refereeing the games correctly, no one will watch anymore.
JEFF WOOTEN #23 REF Was clearly corrupt and even had Rebecca Lobo, the broadcaster, laughing at his “”no call” when MABREY swiped her arm across CC face. There was plenty of times when I reviewed the game that he was definitely favoring Connecticut. He needs to be fired. They must get better refs and ones that are not corrupt.
@@lgambertin4018 “You” people are the dumbest people in the world, CC is a superstar she is the greatest player in the universe she “you” people (god).
I am a CC fan not an WNBA fan.
@@knishimura13 “You” people always say that no one cares about you are a CC fan you act like by being a CC fan you are close to God.
@@knishimura13 What time she play?
@@Edward_Johnson3 Nah, but the WNBA mob and their fans think we're the devil. Hehe, they'll have to Caitlin Clark before we're going away, sorry. And they've certainly tried their best, but she's still rockin' them all on their heels.
@@Edward_Johnson3 I'm sick of em, they're delusional AF!!!😆
@@Edward_Johnson3 you realize thats how some nba fans started right? I know people that didnt know basketball but they were Jordan fans...you clowns dont know history...just cause he says hes a CC fan what he doesnt know is he has his foot in the WNBA door as a fan.
However the WNBA actively does everything in their power to push those future fans awaya
CC is a unicorn 🦄
She will not fail.
The league has no one like Caitlin. She caught them off guard
I work in an elementary school in Ga. 50 miles north of Atlanta. When the Fever played the Dream, I know there were at least 7 kids who parents shelled out at least 100.00 per ticket to take those kids go see a girl from Iowa ball it out. Ga is not a woman’s basketball place, but that kid from near the cornfields has got a lot of kids talking and watching. BTW, I grew up in Iowa and yes, I went to the game as well.
When Catlin kicked down the WNBA door for the party she brought 3 or 4 million of her friends and more coming. That's all. Let's party with CC22❤
Mick, you hit a home run! There were three types of people early on regarding Caitlin. Of course, fans, but then those who stated early she would be only average who can't now admit they were wrong, and those still in denial.
Let's not forget that NIL helped push CC to even higher heights of notability. GOAT + marketing = superstar
I can't say nil has changed a thing as to how I see collegiate sports. They may be getting some visual exposure, but some of it negative.
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When you watch CC play, you feel like you are watching the NBA. In my experience, this is unique in the WNBA to CC.
Exactly 👍🏻
@@Graybeard_ what are you trying to say that CC looks like a man.
Sabrina Ionescu had the full arm of the media behind her. Her Senior year her name was everywhere. Everything Taurasi and Geno said about CC really applied to Sabrina. She really did not have the mental makeup to survive the Rookie Gauntlet. Whereas CC played ball against the boys. As Geno said, CC gives as much as she gets back. CC does not back down from any of these girls. If the refs would call a fair game, CC stats would be incredible. CC should have shot minimum 8 FT per game.
My favorite ''give back'' was when CC paid back Carrington in game 1, the eye poke game. CC wacked Carrington upside the head so hard it knocked out her contact lens. I watched that about a dozen times. Loved it.
@@serafinobueti7154You are a lying troll pretending to be a CC fan.
That never happened the way you said it happened.
Kelsey Plum is the reason Diana Taurasi said “reality is coming”. She has seen this situation play out over and over. So I don’t blame her for thinking it would happen yet again.
Since that comment she’s come around and now respects Clark as a player. But you have to earn it and she did.
Yeah. Diana is the product of this toxic league. She’s shown leadership on the court to the younger players with supportive pats and whispers.
ok but DTs comment did not mean CC was going to do well this season . DT meant maybe next year .
@@jamesdellaneve9005 i saw a video of kelsey plum saying that when she was a rookie diana taurasi pretended to be her friend on the court and was talking to her then as soon as she got distracted taurasi elbowed her in the belly 😂 kelsey plum got that caitlin clark treatment before clark
@@wnnakwkqkq8636 yes. I saw that too. I hope that Caitlin embraces the new rookies. Even invited them to a weekend camp.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 i can’t lie it would be funny if clark gave paige the rookie treatment considering clark haters think paige is gonna be better than clark which means there saying she’ll be top 3 in mvp so she has to be tested
WNBA fumbled because they aren’t ready for prime time. CC is whole different level. She’s actually playing like a pro and most of girls in WNBA aren’t. We have witnessed too many easy layups missed. It’s pathetic. They run so slow but Clark is very fast and actually making easy layups. So WNBA aren’t used to CC’s greatness. Reality is coming. The new era of WNBA is here.
I genuinely can't tell if this is Parody. You sound beyond ridiculous and obviously have no clue about basketball.
No way this is a real comment. It's comedy right? Talk about being completely clueless
@masonpalazzolo2387
Off the dribble Clark is the fastest player in the WNBA. Nobody can keep up with her. That's why she's so often double-teamed and flagrant fouled. She is playing at a diffrent level; that's why Indiana scores fastbreak layups off of made baskets and why she led the league in assists. She makes everybody better.
@@deepcosmiclove seek professional help
Bro even A’ja almost loses the ball when dribbling into contact. Same normal WNBA stuff where there’s no coordination
Plum and Sabrina have never had the court sense and passing prowess that Clark has.
@@GhostofGerulaitis : Maybe but Ionescu had 27 triple doubles in college while Clark had only 17.
@@leeboy7139Clark > Ionescu
@@leeboy7139and? Caitlyn would have had more assists this season if not for some awful shooting on her teammates part.
@Xoulrath_ : My point is Ionescu never got her chance to be the player she could have been. And she did prove at the college level that she was one of the best passers ever at that level. I admit, probably not as good as Clark but she never got the chance in the WNBA to prove otherwise.
@@leeboy7139 and yet Clark has already proven it, while being hindered from all sides.
Sabrina is great without question. But she isn't putting up the numbers that Caitlyn did, in her rookie year, while being targeted all game long. Clark really is changing the game, along the lines of a Jordan/Magic/Bird.
So cool, Sabrina got 10 more triple doubles in college. It is an accomplishment, to be sure. But Caitlyn brought an underwhelming Iowa team to the Final Four, back to back, basically on her own.
Hell, Caitlyn could fall off hard next year. This could have been her best year. Who knows; shit happens. But if she continues to adapt and elevate her game, then we haven't seen anything yet. And with the new crop of rookies having similar natural talent, this really is a changing of the guard for the WNBA. Like it or not, it started with Clark. But everyone has to downplay what she's down because "we gotta be respectful to the people that came before," all while forgetting to be respectful to her.
When CC played for Iowa, she was Iowa! And Iowa women’s basketball was Caitlin Clark. She was reason the team excelled! She single-handedly pulled the team up into the stratosphere. Every other player on that team excelled because of her. All the other players who went into WNBA were part of elite basketball teams. Iowa had mediocre players who were elevated to excellence by Caitlin Clark. This could clearly be seen by the fan base, her skills were phenomenal , her court IQ unmatched. They were always the underdog against the teams like UConn and South Carolina. Place style is electrifying , hypnotizing. I never watched a WNBA game in my life. Once I saw Caitlin Clark, I was hooked. I did not miss any of her games after that. I did not watch any other WNBA games are boring and uninteresting to me. I am not watching nor interest to watch the playoffs.
@@cruces007 I hate to be the one that calls you a liar, Kate Marten is a good player and Hannah Stuelke is going to play in the “W” She shut “AR” down when Iowa played LSU.
@@Edward_Johnson3AR is and was overrated.
@@independentaquaman7424 You can say what you want to say but Hannah Stuelke is a really good basketball player she scored 45 points against Tennessee, and that young lady can play basketball.
@@Edward_Johnson3 Yes they had some talent but where do you think Iowa would have ranked in woman's collegiate basketball wiithout CC? They just did not have the depth of talent other programs had. They probably would have ranked in the middle of pack ( mediocre) and not even have made it to sweet sixteen or final four or played for national championship. How much of an impact has Kate Martin had on WNBA ? She definitely was a clutch player for Iowa in the collegiate season as were others but without CC they would not have made much of impact in womens collegiate BB.
@@Edward_Johnson3 I didn't talk about Hannah. You mentioned AR so I talked about AR.
Even her own coaches and GM at "The Indiana Fear" planned to use her as a shooting guard and wait until her 3rd year to have a competitive team. Stupid! 👊
I was a bar stool fan for Diana Taurasi in 202&3. Thanks to TH-cam, after 20 yeas, I became a hugh fan of CC without the need of a bar.
Now, it makes sense why Geno made that statement about the 2024 draft class.
I think what you basically have is a Geno heavy league with players and commentators. If don’t play for Geno, they are not that good in many minds.
I'm new to the WNBA. My info is that there's assistance from the NBA, .. and that has kept the WNBA afloat, .. and however this is being a continuing thing. So, .. if you're allowed to run, in the red .. you can sort of do, what you want, how you want .. and what's the difference? This year's WNBA attendance surge (for some teams), by a different kind of fan profile, .. is rocking the boat.
Yep
The fact that the WNBA treated their top rookies like trash is what’s truly disgusting. It’s no wonder this league has failed so miserably. They are on welfare from the NBA and have fallen into a victim mentality for so long that when so new hopper comes along, they immediately try to destroy it. They are not popular because they are just implacable! We’ve heard it before from rookies that were harassed so much that they just quit.
Athletes need positive support to maintain their confidence. Shooting is all about confidence! Passing is also about confidence. Even running is hampered by choking. The fact that CC brushed it all off tells us how incredible a talent she is. The new head office hopefully gives CC the backing to unleash her full potential next year. Caitlin Clark is going to be a beast, a monster next year if she gets the backing of a good coach!
Now that NIL $ is allowed in college the rookies are coming in with endorsements, other outside income and fans.Who is a popular player is being determined at the college level. CC was seen as an underdog by not coming out of one of the top programs ( LDU, SC, UConn etc..) which boosted her popularity.The days of the rookies having to ride the bench putting in their time before being started is done. Everyone whether a vet or rookie is going to have to fight for their spot. Change is here.
They weren't ready for someone like Caitlin coming into that league.
Ionescu has the record for the most triple doubles in WNCAA division 1 history with 27. Clark is a distant second at 17. She can also hit the logo 3s consistently. She was playing Clark's game before Clark even went to Iowa. So the Liberty turned what was probably the most talented point guard in the WNBA at that time, into a shooting guard and called it a success. Sides wanted to do Clark what the Liberty did to Ionescu and "break her bad habits".
In the post game interview after the last Liberty/Fever game, there was a sadness in Ionescu's face and the way she talked about Clark, that went beyond disappointment in losing a game. Clark is doing, what Ionescu imagined herself to be doing, just a few years ago but the Liberty coached it out of her.
i don’t think sabrina ever had the passing ability clark did though but i agree with your point though sabrina could’ve done something similar to what clark is doing if they didn’t coach it out of her also clark shoots from more of a distant than sabrina
@@wnnakwkqkq8636 She may not have the sheer talent and flair that CC has, but Sabrina throws dimes. The Liberty players and system also opens up a lot for her, so she doesn't force it as much as Caitlin does, which means the turnovers are much lower.
@@aden538 ye that is true but if clark played with jonquel jones and stewart i think she’d do better than sabrina considering she shots from more of a distance the way team will guard her will give stewie and jones lots of space
Interesting take, some other data on triple-doubles, no other player is out of the single digits in NCAA WBB. The big difference between Ionescu and Clark, is that Clark can play like Ionescu as a pass-first PG, but Ionescu can't shoot the lights out like Clark can. Clark had 1500 points more in college that Ionescu.
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Let's say you are right about the WBNA expecting that CC is not that good, doesn't mean that a professionell league should be able to adjust right in time. It is just one of many fumbles of the WNBA...
It’s so crazy cuz when curry had the hype, lebron co-signed and showed up to watch Davidson and always spoke highly of him. Aja doesn’t understand that’s doing that might have made people like her more
Good commentary!!
WNBA fumbled the entire season pre and post regular season so far.. It is pathetic, honestly.
No one thought she was going to be this good Mick. You had Reese ahead of Caitlin for ROTY half way through the year and was saying Fever would be better off tanking this season.
A lot of people thought she would be good, no one thought she would be 4th in MVP good.
Most youtubers will do and say anything for clicks and subs😂 Hilarious
Watch the Auriemma video where calls Clark fans delusional and stupid because she was the 3rd or 4th betting favorite for MVP.
Yes this dude has said Reese was the better Rookie 😂😂😂😂😂
@@mdcohen Seems like Geno is less of a genius in evaluating talent as he is lucky to get basically any 5 star recruit he wants for most of his career.
That may be true at first. But what about now. They still won't promote CC
The BIGGEST issue is the W. Women want to see other women fail. You can’t let them hold the bag. They’ll destroy the league GIVEN TO THEM by men.
Levels of incompetence in the W will never cease to amazing me
Your argument sprung a leak mid-season and doesn't hold water. Maybe going into the season they thought CC was going to be another Plum. After the break, CC blew the bottom out of that bucket. They had a chance to make up for it at end of season but this lamest of lame ROTY awards PROVES there is much, much more to their disdain. Someone (hint, hint) should take a look back and see how previous ROTY awards were handled.
I can't wait for the WNBA season to end. This is all toxic. It just needs to go away for 5-6 months. Enough already.
If you aren’t watching it doesn’t make a difference what they are doing….
LOL. So why are you here? It's not mandatory that tou be here.
@@mikegall7542 WNBA season is already over lol. If you are referring to regular season…
@@masonpalazzolo2387 Have you even been tested? Your brain just seems to be broken.
I watched her in a game in college and she played well made some spectacular shots and they won easily. A few days later ESPN showed a clip of fans lining up like the day before for one of her games . Speaking to some of them you realized many were not local but had come from far away places. Now I’m super curious and followed her during that 2023 final four run. At that point I couldn’t wait for her senior year. Total miscalculation and showed how little faith the league had in its new players. To quote someone “a blind man could’ve seen it” 🤦♂️
CC for sure lived up to the hype. Magic did as well winning his national championship in college and living up to the hype in his draft year as well. CC showed you that she’s special it’s up the her league if they can believe it and support her.
What nonsense are you saying, CC never needed the league to support her since she'll always be the main Boss in stats and ratings plus outside of ESPN and WNBA CC is respected in Euro League etc they see this mistreatment and ridicule it
@@washuneluvhada7616 Im saying they need to support her because that’s important for a rookie. That’s why I compare her to Magic or Bird because those type of players got high praise and support for their talent. But sadly I have to remind myself support and appreciation doesn’t exist in the WNBA.
@@OhNoJake okay I agree with you, apologies. But you have to stop and think about the fact that we are the MAJORITY, not them. They've been dragging Caitlin and her fans through the mud all season until they were forced to admit the truth when the reality came, God works in mysterious ways and CC being a Christian in a predominately LBGQT plus plus what what, never sat well with them, the saviour they never wanted but needed I guess.
You see it in her games, happy families taking kids to see a role model that'll positively influence their kids lives, WNBA approval was never needed, she transcended that... Literally
good point, as an occasional watcher, i've not enjoyed watching a player so much since alan iverson.
The only wnba players I'd heard of before CC other than super old players like Cheryl Miller was Tarausi and Griner and Griner wasn't even because of bball.
So will the WNBA make the same mistake in CCs second year? And with the next few rookie classes coming through will that force them to look seriously at how to promote the game? CC will always have her fans no doubt about that so whichever team she plays for is going to be golden revenue wise. But if the WNBA wants to cash in too then they probably need to work harder at promoting her and all the big stars.
Yup.
The thing is, if the players and the league didn't kick up a fuss about her it wouldn't have been so crazy. the only reason she popped up on my radar, someone who has never cared about sports in my life, is because of all the drama and downplaying her talent.
So i started watching some of the college games and highlight reels and then got totally sucked in lol and now i watch other teams, too (when i can... there's way too many games happening on the same day/same week)
I agree with every word you just said. Especially the 2nd point where the WNBA would've preferred to basically rather have no fans at all than the "Barstool fans" as you call us who recognized CC as the 🐐 in the making early on when she was at Iowa.
She is the first CC
No one is CC. Only CC is CC.
I knew of Kelsey Plum years ago only because of that video of her throwing that t-shirt into the stands during a break in the San Antonio Spurs game.
the wnba should have realised that clark was different when the wnba draft had a millions of viewers, they thought shed fail thats why they had the fever play that ridiculous schedule at the start of the season they thought/wanted clark to fail but her fans to stick around to watch the almighty aja or the liberty. Even after she started to deliver, they still thought she'd fail, even after the Olympics and she started to play atva whole different level they wanted her to fail.
Thats the wildest thumbnail and title ive ever seen you post....
Kelsey Plum majored in Anthropology in college
Good analysis
She's certainly not Kelsey Plum. She's actually likeable.
Something feels off with Plum. The stuff she does in interviews and in press conferences is very bizarre. I wonder how much insane shit she's had to deal with from this league.
For you. Mostly everyone else likes Kelsey much more than Caitlin. CC might be the least liked player outside of her cult.
@@mikegall7542lmao. CC is liked by many even in overseas. I don’t even know who is Kelsey Plum until I watched CC playing against her. Same thing for Angel Reese and Aja Wilson.
Nah dude, no way can we know what shit Plum had to put up with and the egg shells she had to walk on! Seriously Plum is a nice girl inside i feel. I personally am going to give her some slack and see what she says about and treats CC next year before I put her on my "never love" list.
@@mikegall7542 Strike that, reverse it. Clark's popularity is clearly the reason for the huge surge in WNBA attendance and viewership. Not to mention merch, etc. Unless you are talking about the wicked, self-centered, jealous players who don't like her. But not all WNBA players are like that. Just the evil, jealous ones.
Interesting, I had made that correlation between Plum and CC22 during last nights games. It almost seems like Plum should have been the original CC22; however, sometimes the first version of the product is not as successful as the new and improved version.
Clark is 10x as headstrong as Plum. Temperamentally, they could not be any different, and this is very easy to spot if you watch them.
Clark has anti-social 'fuck you' energy. Plum has anxious 'please like me' energy.
😂 CC22 won't bend the knee like Plum and become a subservient fool.
Caitlin Clark is popular bexiae she was pulling shots from the logo and Angel decided to taunt her on the biggest stage…. That day sparked a massive increase in Iowa and Clark fans. Its documented
I do not think this class is that special. Of course CC is and Brink would have been. Rickea is below special. AR rebounding is special. I do not think the WNBA is special. I think they have around 10 special players before this year. About 10 really good players. 70 role players and 54 bench players that are cheerleaders and mop up players. 3 new teams are coming in over the next two years. Not a lot of special in the next 2 years of classes in WCBB. This average league will be even more average when 3 new teams join.
I do agree the expansion will water down the talent pool greatly which in the w is NOT a good thing, look at what has happened to baseball with so many teams, if you average every pitcher's stats by 9 innings EVERY pitcher in baseball is now a strikeout pitcher with 9,10 11 K's per 9 innings WHY? because the hitters suck because of the watered down expansion, way too many teams for the creme to rise to the top
She doesn't roll with the ideology of the W. She just wants to play ball in woman's basketball and stay out of the politics
It was clear as day ☀️
Like I keep saying. The WMBA wasn't ready for CC. If Sides had a clue, she would have had her team read to catch a pass and put it in the hoop. If CC teammates were ready to catch a pass and make a lay-up, she probably would have averaged 12 to 15 assists a game. They did improve towards the end of their season, but the beginning was ugly.
I played ball and just started caring about the W like so many. I would love to hear your insight to what sabrina has gone through before this year.. And the similarities to what CC is dealing with. If you could be so kind! :)
Watch Bill Burr’s comedy bit on the WNBA. Hilarious and true. “The women should make more.” “Oh yeah? Who’s your favorite player? What’s the name of the team in your city?”
Kelsey Plum does not have the brightest mind like CC. Just look at the way she answer every interview or conference. You can tell by just that. So lets not compare Kelsey to Caitlin please……
great post . plum is not the sharpest tack in the box .
She reminds me of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan and Steph
You still don’t get it. She’s not even close to the others. They don’t like her.
well... she do lead the league in turnovers.... then again... no one is even close to generating 38 points and only Luka beats her in the NBA of the 45% of her teams points....
Everybody except the WNBA marketing team and commissioner realized what was coming... they should all be fired.. and get someone professional doing it.
She lead in turnovers because she held the ball most and passed more than any wnba players did in history. More turnovers is expected. Not only that but her team couldn’t catch the ball. She have the most assists for that reason. If you look at all homers in MLB, they have the most strikeouts because they swing more often just as CC passed the ball more often.
Can CC go into the NBA?
Will never be a WNBA fan. Will always be a Caitlin Clark fan.
@@MoneyF4 why do you say that Are you a dummy who cares that you are a CC, fans by being a fan are you going to make it into heaven?
Speaking facts mick
Kelsey Plum as food as she is is not.xlose to being as impactful on the floor and off as CC is. Ionescu is closer but still doesn't make the grade as the double teams and blitzed last night showed. CC dealt with it all year and didn't take long to figure it out and beat it.
Agree with most of what you say other than the WNBA wanted CC to fail because CC does wrong think expecting PB who does right think to be sufficient a year later. The WNBA have refused all suggestions to "improve" the game for viewership. They have always complained it was "marketing". Only 3 years ago (2021) the WNBA, lead by Cathy the Clown and her Crew, sold 16% for $75M for a marketing budget so they ain't about to admit they were robbed in daylight until the press questions the sense in that deal if the league was supposedly "always growing". #16475
It took a while, but it did eventually dawn on me that the reason why so many people were being critical of CC22 and the beliefs and attitudes of her fans is that they just. weren't. watching. her. play.
Very good insights. Thing is, the people who tried to marginalize CC at the beginning kept up their resentment even as CC soared.
WNBA made that assumption and then doubled down on it when everyone with eyes could see the greatness. Their decision and actions have lost me as a potential fan.
I wouldn't be shocked to see CC make career decisions that don't include them in the future.
saying kelsey plum is similar to CC is like comparing apples and oranges . plum averaged 4 assists , 4 rebounds and 25 points for her college career not really that close .
Not gonna lie but this should just be the Caitlyn Clark channel 😂
What i realized now, whoever comes in the future, i will never like WNBA without CC. Im petty that way.
I think that’s a fair consideration of figuring out their under-expectations of CC …
If the the nba put pressure on the wnba to succeed or go out of business. They would support CC immediately.
CC is from another realm and not human, simple
Why did WNBA put her 36 of 40 games on National tv if she was the next plum?
Mick brought up how Clark and Bueckers were co-national freshmen of the year and that Bueckers was national player of the year. But what many don't realize is that Clark only got voted 2nd team all-American. Using logic alone, if Clark was good enough in voters' eyes to be named co-freshman of the yr with Bueckers, who herself was deemed good enough to be player of the yr, then how TF is Clark not considered good enough to make 1st team all-American??
And it's even more of a joke given that Clark led the nation in scoring and assists (led in total asts, 3rd in average) that season. And then if you actually compare her season to some of those who made 1st team, Clark's omission seems even more egregious.
Because of Clark, I now know the names of Plum, Ionescu, Stewart, Wilson, Collier, etc...
CC has people backing her up .. that’s the difference 😉😀
If the WNBA doesn't thank CC for anything else, there is one thing the should be thankful for her play in the league. And that is, she has elevated the discussion of the WNBA way past the they need to lower the basket talk. When was the last time you heard someone say it. The W is actually exciting to watch now.
100%!!!
The average Joe/Sue never heard of Plum, A'JA, Sabrina but they know Caitlin Clark and why is that. It is because she has a presence on the court that the others will never have. You either like it or you dislike it. Her game style is that of the mens style of play, the others play the womens brand of basketball and that is why they fail to attract.
Her coaches didn't realize How good Plum was sound familiar. Plum wasn't Caitlin good, but she was much better than she was given credit for.
They to young to to know about 05 lebron
Caitlin Clark is 22 years old NOW.
I believe Mike was calling to mind what Cheryl Swoops stated about CC early in the season that were false statements.
I dont think the underestimated her play that much as much as they did her her ability to be THE general on the court. Lets face it, if she had went to say the Aces she probably would have shined the bench for at least part of her rookie year. They did underestimate the fan base she was gonna bring tho. College basketball has a huge fanbase but it rarely transfers over to the next level. Or has as big an impact. but when u are serving up a hamburger to people and then u decide to put a piece of cheese on it people are gonna notice.
CC is straight. Delle donne is not. It helps if ur part of the majority of the league. so comparing Delle donne is not comparable.
Della Donne is the only other WNBA player worth paying attention to.
Have you considered the WNBA ruined everyone's play before CC and tried to also ruin CC (notice early season games to make HER fit)? But Clark fought back and finally proved her way was better. WNBA doesn't play serious ball, it's all about showcasing their star players of each team. NBA plays rough, but WNBA plays dirty rough.
Honestly, after The Mercury game I thought Dianasourasi was going to, voluntarily, step out of the Olympic team and let Caitlin go. That would have been classy and better than getting a fake gold medal!
So has Nike!
Caitlin Clark is just different
Plum was badly coached and was not the only one to fail due to lack of meaningful play time as a rookie
So, at the end, who were the delusionals?
OMFG just say it!!!!!
Not to make unfounded comparisons to Taylor Swift and Caitlin Clark, but the same way that T Swift might bring more attention and money to the NFL than most of their marketing campaigns or brand recognition has for a number of years, CC22 might bring more money & attention to all of pro basketball than all of their marketing machines have for years. That’s despite the wnba fumbling this bag over and over and over again. The NBA and possibly MLB might cash in on her rising celebrity more than her own league if the W leaders aren’t careful.
Umm no. CC bring more attention because of her elite skill for basketball. Taylor Swift is a celebrity. It’s a big difference.
Caitlin Clarksuckers are ridiculous. Never in the history of basketball has there been a rookie or college player who has been treated better, gotten more opportunity, than Clark. 37 minutes per game, gets the ball 60+ times per game, gets to guard the weakest opponent player, never has to box out (wouldn't even if she had to), gets 30+ screens set for her, lets her travel backwards and sideways to get shots off, lets her smack and push and hold defenders with her off hand; they heap praise on her for her mediocre shooting and fundamental passes. Again, bitchin about how "they" treat her is ridiculous.
mainstream sports fans.... that's the problem?
She's not the next anyone, she's Caitlin Clark. That simple..
Sabrina was injured early in her rookie year!
Everyone talking about numbers while plum has 2 championships. Goes to show how much sense people make comparing rookie numbers and statistics don't mean nothing what matters is when you show up and execute when the lights are the brightest. You can only hope for Caitlin Clark to be a two time champion , I'm ready for the cry and then excuse me now
The description of every Mick video says “In this video we talk about the chicago sky and angel reese who has probably been the 2nd best rookie this season in the wnba”
What?
😂😂😂
@@1Ggirl1959 look at the description of this video. 😅
Uh no it doesn’t
@@KevinPauling Mine does.