It was very simple for Alex, he simply wanted to hit his irons consistently well. All we did for him was take him through our 5 step system and within 1 lesson he had some amazing results! If you would like to experience this 5 step system, you can find out more by clicking here🏌👉 meandmygolf.com/pure-your-irons/?TH-cam&PYI_YTD&Pure_Your_Irons
His “before” swing is very similar to me, when I’m purposely trying to curve the ball left to right. Stand slightly closer to the ball, and turn more aggressively, in transition. This tips the club out, promoting an out to in path, and automatically holds the face off a bit. For the draw, I do more like his “after” swing. I stand a touch further away from the ball. This promotes a flatter swing, and a more in to out path. I focus on moving everything together, in sync(arms, and body). This naturally releases the face sooner. Great work, guys! It’s ok to have a “go-to” shot shape. Almost everyone finds one easier to hit than the other. However, it’s a MUST to learn both. It teaches you soooo much about the golf swing, and makes you a MUCH better player. You gotta experiment with the extremes of grip, ball position, setup, upright swing, flat swing, wrist conditions, forearm roll, different ways of moving the hips, and shoulders, etc. etc. etc. Predicting your ball flight is the second most important thing in golf. Number one is STRIKE. Sorry for rambling. I just like to see people get better.
This lesson feels like the exact route I took to get rid of my slice. 1, it's so crucial! 2 & 3, I linked these together. So long as you're mobile and athletic anyway, your hips will always clear. I played every sport under the sun as a youngster so focusing on hips did exactly as you said - blocked shots way out wide even though path was now "fixed". For me it was focusing on firing my arms and hands, let the hips do what they will. As for the release part - something Mr P Finch said (I believe) - feel like you're shaking someone's hand with your right hand in the follow-through. If you can get that feeling, the face will be in a good place at impact. Picked up yardage and can now play those nice little draw shots.
Wow, absolutely brilliant seeing the vast improvement in real time. This is priceless for those afflicted with the dreaded life long slice. Thank you so much guys!
Apologies for the aggressive sounding comment, thanks for the reply. I'm not singling out you guys at all. You are great guys I love the way you do talk simple terms. You've done great to be fair making him be more consistent but here's the thing... Now the guy knows how to hit draws by doing certain sequences but still doesn't really know what he's doing he's just guiding the club a different way to meet the ball and getting a different result. What about if he now wants a low fade? Does he have to practice a new swing again or can he adapt? Does he need to practice every week to be able to keep doing it or could he put his clubs down for 12 months come back and hit a tight draw on demand? Like riding a bike Imagine if cricket or tennis was taught like this. It's a crazy game... One that is ruined by our eyes and the stillness of the ball. Look how misaligned he was at the start. That's most golfers right..? Always some part of their body aiming off or they have to physically check alignment every shot or work on it in practice. That's nuts.. Why is that? It's a perception problem not a swing fault otherwise as is seen in golf even pros, it's a never ending game of swing fixes to adjust when it all should just be subconscious and reactive like every other ball game. You see a target and you send the ball there. The more u practice the better you get. Imagine Djokovic analysing every frame of his backhand video😂 p3 on his backhand... no, it's all feel in tennis so why is golf different is my point I guess The ball is still, golf should be so artistic, make that ball sing in all directions. We need to figure out how to overcome the perception and set golfers free from swing mechanics. C'mon lads you can figure this out
I think the biggest misconception is trying to turn the hips open. It happens naturally if you pressure the lead leg in transition, but if you try to open the hips most of the time you don’t pressure the ground. That has been the conclusion I have drawn after trying everything then coming back to properly pressuring the lead leg. Alan
Of telling him to slow his hips down, why not tell him to focus on speeding his arms straight down as his first move in transition. I had this same issue of over active hips but in my case I would hit block shots as my miss if I didn't draw it. The thought of swinging my arms down instead of thinking clear the hips fast synced everything up beautifully and it's easier to grasp because as amateurs we don't want to feel like we're swinging slow. We want to feel like we're going for it like a pro. I thank Andy Carter and Pete Cowan for explaining this to me so I could finally understand it lol
It's not about slowing his hips down it's about giving his hips time to turn in the backswing so everything is more in sync. He was just firing the hips early in the swing. Timing was the issue, not the speed. Hope that makes sense.
@@meandmygolf. it does for sure but I just think when he goes away and plays around he'll use the thought of cooling down his hip until he misses a few and he'll go right back to trying to hit it hard and his thought to do that is swing his hips faster which is what you guys were trying to fix understandably. I just think to get him to sync up his body better is instead of telling him to slow down something it would be to tell him to get his slow body part to catch up faster. If he thinks about dropping his arms and hands faster in transition into the "slot" so to speak it'll take his focus off trying to thrust or clear his hips to get the speed and actually cool that movement off while speeding up his upper half. I had his same issue only I laid the club off hard coming down and got stuck easily. Just having my arms lead the transition but feeling like my hips are still turning hard has helped me tremendously. I know there's a hundred ways to skin the cat but I'd just hate for him to focus so hard on calming his hips that he loses all his speed and hitting nice, buttery, 120 yard 7 irons lol.
Great video as always! I’d like to give my perspective on this student’s training and hear your thoughts about it. In my opinion, this student could have also benefitted from making his right hand grip much weaker. His right hand, and arm, are heavily involved in his swing. And then supplementing that with some “Hideki” drills - where you don’t rush to finish your backswing. Instead, you remain connected and turn up to the top of your backswing. Pause for a moment, shift your weight into your left foot (think about stomping into the ground), then initiate the downswing. Think of Cameron Young and Hideki Matsuyama as mental models. Like I said, I would love to hear your perspective on this. I’ve only been playing for seven months and am trying to learn as much as possible. I don’t know my handicap, but I went from an average score per round of 115-120 to roughly 93 per round, give or take a couple. I’d really love to get down to the mid 80s.
Because with your irons you want to come in to out (3°) for consistancy. The longer the club the harder it is to do it. So if you come 3° in to out with a club face op 1.5° open you get a nice draw where the ball starts right and comes back to it's target line. Too much closed face will pull the ball to the left and to much open will push the ball to the right, starts right and keeps going right. That is why the easiest way to hit a fade is to open your stance and keep the face square to target, so you come from outside with open face let the ball go from left to right.
I disagree with Wesley (but everyone has different physical issues and strengths). Playing a cut with your irons can be very effective as it automatically moves the low point of the arc further forwards, giving good contact. A swing direction about 3 degrees left (the direction from club parallel to club parallel) gives a club path of about 0-1 degree left (the direction the clubhead is travelling when it hits the ball) for a low point of 4-5 inches ahead of the ball. Better to err on the "cut" side than start duffing the ball with fat shots. I also don't know why someone thinks that 3* in-to-out would generate consistency?
@@MrLondinium Maybe not exactly 3° but all between 0 and 6° is perfect. And why is it giving more consistency? You will hit more down on the ball and will not have the delofting effect from the club if you come from the outside (or over the top). So coming from outside (if you don't position yourself to hit a fade) will cuts the club left across the ball and creates a slice spin on the ball, for some the get their "face" more closed a pull-hook, or pull. You'll run into serious trouble though as the clubs get longer. Meaning that you don't have the loft on them, and when you swing outside-in you're going to de-loft the club and make it hard to create any reasonable launch angle. You can make some crazy compensation which also would NOT be good for your long-term results. I think that 99% of the pro golfers are swinging inside out with their irons.
Ruin my swing? Well, I beat you to it. All of 2023 I was improving and improving and finally consistently shooting in the low to mid eighties. I was happy. Then just before Thanksgiving the wheels came off. Driver first. Then the long irons after that. Thursday I have a tee time that I'm going to use to try to shake off the evil spirits. I'm not going to care. Won't keep score. I will just walk up and hit the ball and as long as it goes forward I'll be happy. I plan on doing this until I magically return to where I was in November.
I knew it was gonna be a clickbait title/thumbnail. Ive seen some good videos from them, so I thought Id give their explanation a chance. Nope, just sensationalism for clicks. It is, in fact, something even ams can and should do. Its not at all "impossible." Accurately phrased, "if you do it *wrong* it will ruin your swing." I don't think Me and My Golf are particularly bad. Maybe it's an inherent problem w YT and how engagement is generated? Idk, but its detrimental to golf improvement in general. It gives ppl strange ideas about what they're supposed to be doing/not doing. This clearly works for clicks in the short-term, but it has to be stunting the growth long-term when ppl like me start ignoring these videos... and at some point any videos from channels that do it repeatedly. Its getting (already?) as bad as YT fitness/nutrition.
It's not either or, the concept of hips, release and "shaft lean" has just been butchered by countless amateur swing lessons on youtube to the point where there's some odd implication that you shouldn't release the club. There's a lot of people mischaracterizing what tour pros are even doing and you end up with the faults this student has because of those misconceptions.
The number and length of ads I have to endure to see the golf tip pretty much suck. I realize it pays the bills but it sure makes watching painful... Just sayin'
Golf coaching is absolutely shocking. This guy learnt nothing his perception is still off and now he is making more compensations for it. He will now go through the inevitable struggle of changing his game breaking his swing into 10 pieces to fit the model he was taught when the issue for 99% of golfers is to take their attention from hitting the ball. It's a target game and even though you don't look at it you must see it in your minds eye otherwise it's just a hit and hope. 99.9% of golfers learn the hit and hope method. Absolute insanity.
You definitely need to see it in your minds eye. If the technique wont allow you do to it and you are thinking thoughts that will harm your swing then guidance is needed. Alex went from hitting shanks and slices in the videos to some nice little draws. Two simple keys to get him there. it doesn't need to be complicated we agree.
It was very simple for Alex, he simply wanted to hit his irons consistently well. All we did for him was take him through our 5 step system and within 1 lesson he had some amazing results! If you would like to experience this 5 step system, you can find out more by clicking here🏌👉 meandmygolf.com/pure-your-irons/?TH-cam&PYI_YTD&Pure_Your_Irons
I need your help so bad. I'm only a few hours away from San Diego please oh please help me
Brilliant. Finally, a coaching vid with my exact problem. Can't wait to take this to the range.
His “before” swing is very similar to me, when I’m purposely trying to curve the ball left to right. Stand slightly closer to the ball, and turn more aggressively, in transition. This tips the club out, promoting an out to in path, and automatically holds the face off a bit. For the draw, I do more like his “after” swing. I stand a touch further away from the ball. This promotes a flatter swing, and a more in to out path. I focus on moving everything together, in sync(arms, and body). This naturally releases the face sooner. Great work, guys! It’s ok to have a “go-to” shot shape. Almost everyone finds one easier to hit than the other. However, it’s a MUST to learn both. It teaches you soooo much about the golf swing, and makes you a MUCH better player. You gotta experiment with the extremes of grip, ball position, setup, upright swing, flat swing, wrist conditions, forearm roll, different ways of moving the hips, and shoulders, etc. etc. etc. Predicting your ball flight is the second most important thing in golf. Number one is STRIKE. Sorry for rambling. I just like to see people get better.
This lesson feels like the exact route I took to get rid of my slice.
1, it's so crucial!
2 & 3, I linked these together. So long as you're mobile and athletic anyway, your hips will always clear. I played every sport under the sun as a youngster so focusing on hips did exactly as you said - blocked shots way out wide even though path was now "fixed". For me it was focusing on firing my arms and hands, let the hips do what they will. As for the release part - something Mr P Finch said (I believe) - feel like you're shaking someone's hand with your right hand in the follow-through. If you can get that feeling, the face will be in a good place at impact.
Picked up yardage and can now play those nice little draw shots.
Just these two things alone are crucial for the golf swing yes. Happy to hear you fixed your slice too.
this is exactly what I was doing! Ive gone from 18 handicap last year to 9 now all from a wider full turn.
Wow, absolutely brilliant seeing the vast improvement in real time. This is priceless for those afflicted with the dreaded life long slice. Thank you so much guys!
Glad you enjoyed it Michael!
Apologies for the aggressive sounding comment, thanks for the reply.
I'm not singling out you guys at all. You are great guys I love the way you do talk simple terms. You've done great to be fair making him be more consistent but here's the thing... Now the guy knows how to hit draws by doing certain sequences but still doesn't really know what he's doing he's just guiding the club a different way to meet the ball and getting a different result. What about if he now wants a low fade? Does he have to practice a new swing again or can he adapt? Does he need to practice every week to be able to keep doing it or could he put his clubs down for 12 months come back and hit a tight draw on demand? Like riding a bike
Imagine if cricket or tennis was taught like this. It's a crazy game... One that is ruined by our eyes and the stillness of the ball. Look how misaligned he was at the start. That's most golfers right..? Always some part of their body aiming off or they have to physically check alignment every shot or work on it in practice. That's nuts.. Why is that? It's a perception problem not a swing fault otherwise as is seen in golf even pros, it's a never ending game of swing fixes to adjust when it all should just be subconscious and reactive like every other ball game. You see a target and you send the ball there. The more u practice the better you get.
Imagine Djokovic analysing every frame of his backhand video😂 p3 on his backhand... no, it's all feel in tennis so why is golf different is my point I guess
The ball is still, golf should be so artistic, make that ball sing in all directions. We need to figure out how to overcome the perception and set golfers free from swing mechanics. C'mon lads you can figure this out
Well done guys something I used to do drive my legs 😊
Thanks Roy. So many are working at clearing their hips and there is no need.
I think the biggest misconception is trying to turn the hips open. It happens naturally if you pressure the lead leg in transition, but if you try to open the hips most of the time you don’t pressure the ground. That has been the conclusion I have drawn after trying everything then coming back to properly pressuring the lead leg.
Alan
Amazing
Nice Video. Wondering how to arrange an in-person potential lesson with Piers/Andy? Thanks
Hi if you head over to our Instagram just leave us a DM and we will get some details to you. Thanks
Thanks! I have this already so will wait for response.@@meandmygolf.
Of telling him to slow his hips down, why not tell him to focus on speeding his arms straight down as his first move in transition. I had this same issue of over active hips but in my case I would hit block shots as my miss if I didn't draw it. The thought of swinging my arms down instead of thinking clear the hips fast synced everything up beautifully and it's easier to grasp because as amateurs we don't want to feel like we're swinging slow. We want to feel like we're going for it like a pro. I thank Andy Carter and Pete Cowan for explaining this to me so I could finally understand it lol
It's not about slowing his hips down it's about giving his hips time to turn in the backswing so everything is more in sync. He was just firing the hips early in the swing. Timing was the issue, not the speed. Hope that makes sense.
@@meandmygolf. it does for sure but I just think when he goes away and plays around he'll use the thought of cooling down his hip until he misses a few and he'll go right back to trying to hit it hard and his thought to do that is swing his hips faster which is what you guys were trying to fix understandably. I just think to get him to sync up his body better is instead of telling him to slow down something it would be to tell him to get his slow body part to catch up faster. If he thinks about dropping his arms and hands faster in transition into the "slot" so to speak it'll take his focus off trying to thrust or clear his hips to get the speed and actually cool that movement off while speeding up his upper half. I had his same issue only I laid the club off hard coming down and got stuck easily. Just having my arms lead the transition but feeling like my hips are still turning hard has helped me tremendously. I know there's a hundred ways to skin the cat but I'd just hate for him to focus so hard on calming his hips that he loses all his speed and hitting nice, buttery, 120 yard 7 irons lol.
Sure glad we are never short of gifted amateur onlookers to teach the pros how to teach.@@kyledavenport6505
Great video as always! I’d like to give my perspective on this student’s training and hear your thoughts about it.
In my opinion, this student could have also benefitted from making his right hand grip much weaker. His right hand, and arm, are heavily involved in his swing. And then supplementing that with some “Hideki” drills - where you don’t rush to finish your backswing. Instead, you remain connected and turn up to the top of your backswing. Pause for a moment, shift your weight into your left foot (think about stomping into the ground), then initiate the downswing. Think of Cameron Young and Hideki Matsuyama as mental models.
Like I said, I would love to hear your perspective on this. I’ve only been playing for seven months and am trying to learn as much as possible. I don’t know my handicap, but I went from an average score per round of 115-120 to roughly 93 per round, give or take a couple. I’d really love to get down to the mid 80s.
Still waiting and hoping to win that golf trip from the last video with Performance Golf! I haven’t uncrossed my fingers yet! lol
We will announce the winner very soon.
@@meandmygolf. Fantastic!!! Thank you!
@@meandmygolf. I’m optimistic for the announcement I can’t wait to find out!
I think he could benefit from more forward shaft lean at address. It looks too neutral. Butt of club needs to point more towards left hip.
Serious question. Why does everyone want to play a draw? What's wrong with playing a cut? Not a slice obviously but a cut?
Because with your irons you want to come in to out (3°) for consistancy. The longer the club the harder it is to do it.
So if you come 3° in to out with a club face op 1.5° open you get a nice draw where the ball starts right and comes back to it's target line.
Too much closed face will pull the ball to the left and to much open will push the ball to the right, starts right and keeps going right.
That is why the easiest way to hit a fade is to open your stance and keep the face square to target, so you come from outside with open face let the ball go from left to right.
I disagree with Wesley (but everyone has different physical issues and strengths).
Playing a cut with your irons can be very effective as it automatically moves the low point of the arc further forwards, giving good contact.
A swing direction about 3 degrees left (the direction from club parallel to club parallel) gives a club path of about 0-1 degree left (the direction the clubhead is travelling when it hits the ball) for a low point of 4-5 inches ahead of the ball. Better to err on the "cut" side than start duffing the ball with fat shots.
I also don't know why someone thinks that 3* in-to-out would generate consistency?
@@MrLondinium Maybe not exactly 3° but all between 0 and 6° is perfect. And why is it giving more consistency? You will hit more down on the ball and will not have the delofting effect from the club if you come from the outside (or over the top).
So coming from outside (if you don't position yourself to hit a fade) will cuts the club left across the ball and creates a slice spin on the ball, for some the get their "face" more closed a pull-hook, or pull. You'll run into serious trouble though as the clubs get longer. Meaning that you don't have the loft on them, and when you swing outside-in you're going to de-loft the club and make it hard to create any reasonable launch angle. You can make some crazy compensation which also would NOT be good for your long-term results.
I think that 99% of the pro golfers are swinging inside out with their irons.
Thanks for the education, guys 👍
I think it's because most golfers slice it and would love to be able to get it moving thew other way and, plus it creates a little more distance.
He has the potential to have a Joaquin Niemann swing!
Yes a great golf swing. Getting that back swing pivot motion right is key.
If you use enough relatives, anything is possible. Like hitting your irons..."consistently well".
Ruin my swing? Well, I beat you to it. All of 2023 I was improving and improving and finally consistently shooting in the low to mid eighties. I was happy. Then just before Thanksgiving the wheels came off. Driver first. Then the long irons after that. Thursday I have a tee time that I'm going to use to try to shake off the evil spirits. I'm not going to care. Won't keep score. I will just walk up and hit the ball and as long as it goes forward I'll be happy. I plan on doing this until I magically return to where I was in November.
I knew it was gonna be a clickbait title/thumbnail. Ive seen some good videos from them, so I thought Id give their explanation a chance. Nope, just sensationalism for clicks.
It is, in fact, something even ams can and should do. Its not at all "impossible." Accurately phrased, "if you do it *wrong* it will ruin your swing."
I don't think Me and My Golf are particularly bad. Maybe it's an inherent problem w YT and how engagement is generated? Idk, but its detrimental to golf improvement in general. It gives ppl strange ideas about what they're supposed to be doing/not doing.
This clearly works for clicks in the short-term, but it has to be stunting the growth long-term when ppl like me start ignoring these videos... and at some point any videos from channels that do it repeatedly. Its getting (already?) as bad as YT fitness/nutrition.
It's not either or, the concept of hips, release and "shaft lean" has just been butchered by countless amateur swing lessons on youtube to the point where there's some odd implication that you shouldn't release the club. There's a lot of people mischaracterizing what tour pros are even doing and you end up with the faults this student has because of those misconceptions.
The number and length of ads I have to endure to see the golf tip pretty much suck. I realize it pays the bills but it sure makes watching painful... Just sayin'
They have nothing to do with the number of ads. That is a TH-cam thing.
I understand. Over the years these tips were not associated with ads, but again, I know it pays the bills.@@davidkramer194
@@davidkramer194 pretty sure the content creator does influence the frequency, timing and amount of ads
Pay the monthly fee and it's ad free. It's an option.
Pay for premium.
Golf coaching is absolutely shocking. This guy learnt nothing his perception is still off and now he is making more compensations for it. He will now go through the inevitable struggle of changing his game breaking his swing into 10 pieces to fit the model he was taught when the issue for 99% of golfers is to take their attention from hitting the ball. It's a target game and even though you don't look at it you must see it in your minds eye otherwise it's just a hit and hope. 99.9% of golfers learn the hit and hope method. Absolute insanity.
You definitely need to see it in your minds eye. If the technique wont allow you do to it and you are thinking thoughts that will harm your swing then guidance is needed. Alex went from hitting shanks and slices in the videos to some nice little draws. Two simple keys to get him there. it doesn't need to be complicated we agree.