PIP Assessment Recorded With ATOS Nurse *Full Length*
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2020
- Voice recorded assessment with ATOS. Received 0 points like most people. The bent nurse made out my recording device didn`t work which was bullshit. Any nurse who works for the DWP are nasty lying bastards. Good news is you can secretly record assessments and use them at tribunals although the DWP will deny this because they are cold hearted liars. I recommend arranging to record your PIP or ESA assessment before. Whatever happens you can use your recording as evidence if your case goes to a tribunal.
This assessor is a sales person who's learned from a set piece process and script.
She's not a nurse just a well trained actress...!!!!!!
Thanks for sharing such sensitive details for documentation and education. Hope things are better. Just noticed though that you said a few times that you lack motivation in some tasks. I dont think you meant that you actually lack motivation but instead meant that your condition drains you. And the thought of the difficulty of the task causes you anxiety. It's just that as soon as you say you lack motivation it means to them that you could do it but your just lacking the motivation to do the task. You do back it up with your symptoms but they will note the fact that your saying you lack motivation. So really it's that you really want to do the task but it's your condition that affects your ability to do the task, that's what pip award is for. Sounds like you really could do with the award so hope you win appeal/future application. Good look mate.
In these assessments there is a points scoring system for the assessment that you can find on the DWP page. The problem with these assessments is that they will ask you questions and note what you CAN do and focus on that rather than on what you can't do.
Hi Guy,s my first award was for 5 years that was back in feb 2017 , I got my pip renewed two days ago for 4 years no issues , Take care and keep fighting .
you were lucky yo wee with a decent tester. your answers could have been taken in a much different way.
How long did it take from sending back your completed form I’ve been waiting 7months
@@Handmemoretramadol Hi , i didin,t wait long as my payments continued as normal , this is my year of renewal still waiting on an Assesment , it was due in march this year, take care .
Disgusting that she’s trying to catch him out so much! I am waiting for an assessment and l plan on asking then to record it AND recording it myself as l have heard they manage to “misplace” the recording. Don’t trust them an inch, they are there to do all they can to prevent you getting pip.
I'm taking them to a tribunal I got evidence now of the diagnosis
Evie, they're liars. Me and my sister suffered years of abuse as kids and the very system meant to protect us as kids, left us to rot. Now this system wants us to rot
I have autism spectrum condition and dyslexia and dyspraxia and have hightened sensitivity issues, high levels of anxiety and depression which is like a yo yo affect day in and day out, on anti depressants and get slight paranoia as part of my autism, when I first applied for pip..I went to my interview, took my friend at the time as a witness, I told the assessor, who was a paramedic assessing me, all the difficulties I had with all the aspects on what I stated on my application form..I got turned down first time and the report was a out right lie..of course I was fumming..so did a mandatory reconsiliation..still said no as I thought..but followed process..so requested an appeal..dwp tried to stop it going to an appeal court..there response was 'autism does not mean you can have difficulty'..perserverience was all I thought to keep going..so pushed to get to appeal court, after 1 year and four months I got to an appeal court..first time in the court was triggered baddly by the disrespect of one of the panel..which resulted in a meltdown..so they reajurned for a second appeal where you get a different set of people, so I prepared a statement of how I am affected..I cattorized it under the sections on the pip form and lucky I made a copy of my application..so I made sure I was prepared, I won my appeal for 3 and half years..then had to reapply..I made a copy of my application again so I had it as a reference point..this all happened in lockdown time..they where going to do a phone assessment..I got hold of Bristol autism services..they wrote to them and basically insisted that due to levels of anxiety a paper based assessment needs to happen and that basically they pointed out that this is the appropriate action in line with the Equality Act 2010..so I got a paper base assessment..got awarded by DWP my pip..I only have to do a review in ten years time now..but every communication I have of dwp I have a case file ready in case and keep my award letters and copies of my application so nothing goes over looked at all
Don’t get me started on PIP how fucking corrupt it is. I appealed and I still got a no and zero points. I have adhd autism anxiety and depression.
It said you can only be rewarded if there’s a person physically looking after you and being there. Well I needed someone there by my side for admin, I need someone to help with my washing as I wear my clothes and sleep with them for days. I forget to shower. I can only cook in bulks and basic food have to have pre chopped frozen veg. I’m slow at cutting and preparing a meal/follow instructions off a recipe. Apparently getting lost in a journey on your own as you can’t follow instructions means nothing. I stay in bed most of the time as I’m tierd and have no energy due to my depression. I lose things and get overwhelmed I can’t plan or organise
Sorry I’m angry how currupt these nurses and people think a disability is only physical where I know people with autism and axiety got pip.
You are not alone. I have Bipolar Disorder and was given zero points as well. The assessors are just following the questions on the computer. They don't take into consideration that a person with a mental illness has periods of time when they can't function and periods when they can. Anxiety is the pits and concentration is a real problem when cooking. Forgetting when to do important things like paying bills and eating when you are in the grips of depression and stomach cramps is a nightmare too. I am empathetic to your situation. I really hope they change the way people with anxiety and other mental illnesses are assessed because the current system sucks.
Absolutely and because you answered some questions on the phone they think your good to fly to the moon.
Here Here.👍. I got zero points, went to tribunal after a year and won. I suffer with Depression and Anxiety. These Assessments are to try and catch you out. Treated like a fraudster.
sorry dear they wont change ever! sorry to burst your bubble but its the DWP thats at fault any time its announced on the news that all the benefits are being upgraded for the disabled its bullshit they stick to their plan period!
That made me laugh 👍😆
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I have had a similar experience myself (And someone I know) 0 points in both cases. I now have a pocket recorder just in case I have to have another assessment. I have been saying for years about this but most people look at me as if I am exaggerating or making it up. This is really happening and has been for a long time now, appeals are essential just to correct this DWP sponsored dishonesty. It is not OK to take money from ill people by any means possible because we are an easy target.
Similar experience on two assessments. First one lied 3 times and also destroyed the tapes before she handed them to me. I had spinal surgery in two places and they scored me a zero lol. Appeal went through and I won. Then they forgot to sort my money so I'm still waiting for a mandatory recon from 2019!!
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It's so stressful. The government is keen to take your money when you are fit and well, not so happy to give your money back when you are unwell and need it back!
Millions go missing every year. Yet nobody questions that.
My local council had tonnes of money go missing, they give alot to Devon and Cornwall when it's meant for us.
Yet people think all the money is going on benefits. Benefits are not even a drop in the total tax expenditure
Such an intimidating assessment,so many unnecessary questions asked.I didn't have to answer this many questions in my pip assessment, it only took about 20 minutes.This assessment was well over the top,so many questions to try and catch people out.I would of been extremely nervous also doing this assessment.The guy did very well.
Yours must have had a lot of evidence. Makes me glad mine has just been paper based I couldn’t sit through this.
Did not find anything intimidating, she is just doing her job.
Well I thought the assessor was using leading questions, how long can you walk for half hour/ hour? He agreed with half an hour. Mine would be no - 1 minute and in pain mostly. It's so intrusive, I bet he didn't manage to express half of his struggles.
Very informative, I have ADHD and I have a call from the pip on behalf of them on Monday I had to listen to it twice to get it. thank you for sharing.
Hi there. Will keep my fingers crossed for you. How did your assessment go? Would love to hear from you about it as I also have adhd and my assessment should be coming up soon. Any tips or anything would be greatly appreciated
@@Sararizzles any luck with the award
@@chrissylee2359 Hi I was awarded finally with daily living, 0 on mobility which I disagree with but I'm not bothering fighting it as any help is better than none. Thanks for asking.
@@Sararizzles hi thats good do u not need some1 with u to go.out or can you go on your own I have my assessment Monday I can't go anywer by myself as get confused and can't concentrate and have panick attacks all comes with my a.d.h.d
@@Sararizzles hi I had my assesment over phone and received txt message same day from dwp saying ther have my written assesment any1 know if that's good or bad to receive it so quick
Your recorded interview just demonstrates that the assessment interviewer hasn't typed your answers, or you would have been awarded points. It's useful for others to know how this interview works and what questions are asked, me included. Really interesting. Thank you.
Nothing in the recordings I made, matches what is in the reports.
@@mathsfornineyearolds I hope you appealed the decision, I have a telephone assessment for pips on Monday and am dreading it, I am gonna have my sister with me, I understand that can't speak for you but they can help you explain more clearly the problems you face
Not even that, they expect you to prove things that are arbitrary
Hi.
I have social phobia too.
I am due to have a telephone medical in 2 weeks and this is helping me greatly.
I have anxiety and depression too.
Hope things get better.
It’s people like you that make it so hard for people like me, with physical incurable disabilities to get these benefits. This whole anxiety schtick needs to stop, FGS.
I bet you’d have no issue taking a phone call that informed you about the amount of money you’re being awarded
@@homegirl4155 it's people like you that make people with anxiety struggle 10x more. You can't just stop having anxiety. Stop being so naive and close minded. Think of others.
@@homegirl4155 ‘TERF’… says it ALL - BIGOT. ableist bully!
@@homegirl4155 It's people like you who sit in your chair blaming other people for not getting what you feel you deserve. You aren't satisfied with what you receive, blame the government you claim from not the other people trying to live.
@@homegirl4155 I can tell you first hand that depression, and it's good friend anxiety, can be crippling just as badly as a physical problem. Count yourself lucky you are not in that boat as well. Also, it is the DWP that make it hard for you, not other people.
Thank you for sharing Adrian. Youre very brave. I hope you got what you need.
I have my pip assessment in 3 weeks, I have severe anxiety which leads to severe stomach pain and severe back pain usually a few times a day, which means doing things like cooking and leaving the house are difficult most days. Plus I have chornic fatigue syndrome and a long term sore and inflammed throat and can hardly speak most days. After listening to this I dont hold out much hope. The nurse sounds like a cold person. Also out of the blue I am being assessed for my fitness for work, to claim my basic UC of £70 a week, most days I cant get out of bed. My only tiny bit of comfort is Im about to turn 55 and can receive my private pension at 55 with a 18% reduction for taking it early, and its just enough to pay the bills and just paid off my mortgage. If I am found fit for work. There is no way I can work, it takes 3 hours to get out of bed. The whole thing is cruel, and I worry about others who dont have their own small safety net, because DWP safety net is full of holes.
Did you get pip in the end?
@@SpicyJourneys They post poned my court date. Saying i need a whole afternoon, not just one hour, as my throat problems are very complicated, e.g. unusual problems, throat damage from screaming from ptsd/severe pain. Thank you for asking. Longer session i suppose good.
@@alidolloso1704 so you didn’t get awarded it and had to do reconsideration and then tribunal
@@SpicyJourneys Yes. I got 4 points for my throat issue - saying I need support to communicate complex verbal info (I can only speak for about 1 minute before my throat throbbs and swells) I have appealed saying i deserve 8 points because i also need support to communicate basic verbal info, or 4 more points for social support (you need to be able to speak for social interactions which I can hardly do (or 4 more points for help in kitchen due to ptsd). Yes at the reconsideration they still just gave me 4 points, not 8 (even though I said I can only speak 3 minutes a week, 3 x 1 minute) and the rest of the time im waiting for the throbbing and swelling to go down. So I got my court date tibunal finally in Nov 23. But they post poned it saying I need a whole afternoon at court, not just one hour, as my throat issue is unusual. So STILL waiting for Tribunal, even though this post is over 1 year old.
@@alidolloso1704 good luck!!
So far, the assessor is soooo different from the person that assessed me. Professional, nice, not pressured or rushed or rude or impatient. A kindly voice. She also gave her credentials at the beginning. Reassuring. Not brusque. No complaining about the previous caller or being derogatory about people who don’t just answer yes or no. No discouragement at adding information. Still could show a modicum of sympathy I feel.
First assessment I had for an arm injury in 1994 was professional, but my GP failed to hand the results to me. As a consequence I had to go and have another assessment in 1997. There were steps going up to the door and the doors were very heavy. The attitude was condescending and dismissive. When I told the assessor it was being rude, i was greated with a temper tantrum so I cancelled it and tols the doctor i would come back and have it with someone else. It sent a report describing me as a fraudulent injuries claimant. Without taking me to court first and proving it the DWP cut me off completeltly and my landlord tried to evict me. I asked about it and I was told they had adopted an attitude of being awkward with claims. I appeales and sent medical records with the appeal. The respponse was to call the disabilty an old injury. I complained to the GMC about the false and defammatory reportinbg and appealed again. It took from 1007 to 2001 to win. I was exhausted and suffering from anxiety by then because of being cut off and having to work uninsured, when i could get work. The 1994 DWP report I should have had was found in with someone elses medical records in 1998. Some doctors are a waste of money, air ,food and space.
you must be one of the lucky ones! i had one on the phone and she sounded nice but most of the information i gave was missed out by her!... when i questioned the letter that came (mandatory consideration) they stated different matters! LIES! all LIES!!!
My last assessor was very ‘ nice’ too. Still told a pack of lies about me 🤷🏻♀️‼️
Thank you for this. It'll come in handy
Already in receipt of PIP but having a phone assessment later this month. Seriously stressed out as I’ve been lied about before and had to appeal when they deducted my money based on those lies . I have nothing to hide but what if my words are twisted and lies are told again ❓It’s SO SO stressful ..
Practice with someone they are so persistent in trying to find a fault. Don’t be vague say absolutely can’t. And repeat.
Anything you say will be taken down and used as evidance against you BUT NOT FOR YOU
I have a PIP phone assessment this Thursday and so worried. Just listening to this gave me a weird feeling in my stomach and shaking. But also helpful to have listened to this to get an idea of how it might be structured, potential questions. Have asked for it to be recorded - they cancelled my initial date when I did this and had to be put back on the waiting list for another date.
How did it appear to go? I always think of PIP/ESA assignments as a three stage process, assessment, appeal, and then tribunal. It removes a lot of the anxiety from the process. I have had three PIP assessments. First one nothing, then standard daily at tribunal. Second one, standard mobility and standard living at MR. The final one (which was done on the phone) I received higher rate living and standard mobility at MR. My ESA has had two assessments, the first was done on paper, the second one went to tribunal, my council got a message that the GP on the tribunal panel let me go into support group without even seeing me.
I feel like noone NEEDS to type that loudly... I also have an anxiety disorder (along with autism) and I couldn't listen to that whole assesment as the typing sound was making me flinch
I agree.
i audio recorded my second assesment after there were numerous commissions and outright lies in my first assessment report. DWP/ATOS/CAPITA try to scare claimants by saying you must use certain equipment or if found to be recording youll be asked to stop or leave. etc, but you are right there is legally nothing they can do to stop you recording for your own benefit, and you can always just write up a transcript of the recording from memory and use that.
very good point I should have done that because I have memory problems and you cannot trust that they are writing exactly what is going on.
You should put it on TH-cam. Everyone should. They are taking advantage of vulnerable people. Many people with anxiety go blank when under pressure.
@@SuperHoneycombe I have read MANY reports on me by healthcare professionals as I ordered my medical notes and there are ALWAYS facts written incorrectly or things that I have said that have been misconstrued or the report writer has added in their opinion which is wrong more often than not.
I know about the lies part. The DWP assessor is going to be an academically inept banded labourer who has been briefed to try and block the claim. They are not fooling anyone.
@@WATCHINGTHEWATCHERS999 Appears to match my experiences. I noticed the med reports sent to me by the DWP do not match those they sent to my GP. When I last wrote to my GP to have my records sent to me, I was ignored, but I copied them off from the med centre records on line. My medical history does not match that on the medical records I collected in previous years either. The news paper journalist I send it to is going to find it interesting reading.
Speaking to the claimant in what sounds like baby voice how patronising, how demeaning and disgraceful. national government embarassment.
She’s asking questions to assess his awareness, straight away I’d remind her that it’s mental health I suffer and not stupidity…..this is Neanderthal. People like Stephan fry should get behind this atrocity
Take note of the way she (nurse) is speaking to the insurance claimant. "this is not a medical examination" because she is not qualified to do it. Edit: Take note of the stats given.tHEY ARE PART OF A PSYCHOLOGICAL ALGORITHM. if you see that, or hear it, the person imagines they are playing doctor with you. It is a self delusional ego trip. The 'psychiatric one starts with tangent point five cosine to point 64 then sine point five to cosines point 27. Psychologically the user imagines it is having the same effect on you as music. The irony is, if you put any of it in your college work you get it handed back with a nought on it. These mathematical algorithms are used everywhere at a professional level. I was introduced to them in the 1970's on a management course. It is usually the bottom end of the achievement level that use it. They are also used in movies and history books. 1954 and 1942 are quite common, but there are many sequences. You need a juvenile level of mathematical attainment to work out the sequences.mOST HUMANS IN MY EXPERIENCE ARE INUMERATE, due to lack of intellectual effort, or ability to grasp simple deductive reasoning, but it marks the difference in intellectual assessment, between working and middle class.
I was on Pip enhanced, no mobility . My re claim took a year , didn’t even get an assessment. Was awarded this year enchanted no mobility again until 2027 .
This ‘ nurse’ sounds really annoyed with the keyboard
Did you get the standard rate.
She’s hitting that keyboard hard 😳😩🙏🏽
Mine was today.
I feel suicidal. I've had to call the Samaritans
It’s awful how they make you feel! Hope you’re ok and also hope you were awarded something xx
Your issues are very similar to mine. People, crowds, not looking after myself etc...
I have an assessment tomorrow... And when she said do u play with your daughter... I imagined how I'd answer and Im just sat here crying I have 4 daughters and I so desperately want to do more with them 😭 they come to my bed an ask if they can read a book to me or we can play word searches together an stuff 😔
Katie, how did it go? Really hope your okay. Your always welcome to chat with us here, we all need to help and support each other.
Did you get an award? I have the same things (anxiety and ptsd) and my phone assesment today. Any advice? Thanks
I am desperately waiting for the form to come through I am tired to deal with the same bullshit every couple of years I look after my mother I am registered carer and appointee she suffer with dementia she has had 7 surgeries on her legs COPD is in last stage she's very breathless she's unable to walk she's wheelchair user she also has syncope episode she blackout she can not remember her date of birth her address her NI number I don't understand what's the point to just keep reassessing her next form will be forth assessment since mid 2016 I am going to ask them for an on-going award this time anything less than that I will ask for mandatory reconsideration than tribunal they want to mess me about I really can't handle it anymore funny enough every time they recommend she will be improving but next assessment she has more adaptations more medications more problems
If, assessment companies are as truthful, honest and professional as they claim? Why would they object to a recording of the assessment? I, know someone who only just survived the brutal welfare reform cuts and their ordeal began 2016 and did not end until 2020. To state it was unprecedented mayhem and chaos would be an understatement to end all others. It included a first tier tribunal judge who "erred in law" according to their upper tier tribunal colleague (who actually sided with the claimant, stating at one point in the proceedings they themselves were utterly confused by the DWP decisions.) It included alleged misplaced mandatory considerations, plural. It included the assessment company informing the claimant in writing that the large bundle of supporting medical evidence the claimant sent into the assessment company could not be shared with the DWP (unless the claimant gave their written consent for it to be shared) or it would be a breach of data protection. Hold on a second. If, the assessment companies are contracted by the DWP to assess benefit applicants and report back to the DWP, why would they need written permission from the claimant to share all the medical paperwork with them? The fact the claimant was an outpatient of the NSIC and community head injury service was not taken into account until fresh reports were supplied to the claimant by their medical team. Which included a Consultant Neuropsychologist, a spinal consultant and two GPs. All of whom have far more medical experience than the alleged assessment medical professionals who are either a nurse, mental health nurse, paramedic, physiotherapist or occupational therapist. The whole completely degrading and humiliating experience will leave you feeling extremely small and insignificant and even guilty for being alive and daring to burden the state with your presence. The claimant in question has never fully recovered from the ordeal. They were so put upon, distracted, stressed and deflated they lost at least two very close family members during the tribunal process and would not even leave home. Their stress, mental anguish, well being and peace of mind was off the scale. The claimant sought help and registered a grievance with the alleged Independent Case Examiner (ICE) Despite sending in all relevant paperwork on time they were informed their case could not proceed as it was received late. I, drew parallels between DWP and Nazis.
The doctor told I have spinal osteoarthritis and it has damaged a nerve in my left side and my left arm and it's hard to move around also I have high hypertension all medical evidence submitted, guess what I've been told I'm fit for work I'll start my appeal very soon
The DWP/Crapita made me sign a form to state what I could do with the recording, although I no longer have the statement, I am pretty sure that uploading it to TH-cam is not allowed, since it cannot be used for entertainment purposes, or is this an educational purpose?
I am going have my pip telephone assessment soon. Just wanted to know what was the result of this assessment did you get it? Any advice as i have mostly similar problems like you have.
what happend with your assessment did you get a award hope it went well
@@mrlegend9225 hi, yeah I received decision letter few days back and they gave me only 8 points. Assessment wasn’t went very well going go for MR.
@@seharkhan6302 you should appeal it and hopefully you get the points you are entitled too and win your appeal
@@mrlegend9225 thanks struggling a lot don’t really know much about it.
@@seharkhan6302 Yes should definitely appeal, if you have strong medical evidence, you should get more points from a different.PIP assessor or win your appeal in court.
Many people have commented on not recording without telling the assessor. I believe since November they must record if you ask at least 3 days before. Also, the DWP use covert surveillance to monitor people who they believe are lying about their condition. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
You are allowed
I've got my assessment today, I have anxiety (especially social and phone anxiety), depression, PoTS and ME/CFS and I'm terrified ahahahaha
Kat how did your assessment go? Would love to hear form you, as I'm currently waiting for my assessment appointment to come through and like you, I'm very anxious about the call. I hope it went well for you and will keep my fingers crossed.
@Rayhan Karim Fingers crossed for you, you deserve to get it.
Did you get an award? I have the same things (anxiety and ptsd) and my phone assesment today. Any advice? Thanks
@Rayhan Karim hi did you get it? I have ADHD as well
I went through it it took her 35 mins to cut 2 points from planing a journey after haveing both living allowance and motobility enhanced rates for 18 years and told her I was getting worse the older I get but still docked it from my DLA
I told pip assessor i was recording on phone assessment and was told to stop. i said OK but they cut me off saying they didn't trust that i has stepped . waiting to hear what happens next.
There is absolutely no need to covertly record any pip assessment, since last November you can ask for your assessments to be recorded,
@@mevans1175 Loads of people just get told the recording didn't work or get sent a messed up version. Its routine
@@EvilStreaks rubbish, loads of people have received it just fine, those that continue to record with no permission will cost many more people the chance of recording it correctly because they will stop all recordings and tribunals will stop allowing recordings to be heard or read
@@mevans1175 They wouldn't NEED to record it if the companies dealt with you fairly and honestly. You can't prove against the truth with recordings, can you? The whole process is a "how can we deny them" shield, so OF COURSE people want SOME f-ing power of providing evidence. Jesus.
@D. S They made another appointment and I didn't do anything just answered questions lovey kind and helpful lady. . Got award until2024,
I recently had 2 assessments within 2 weeks, the first assessment lasted 59 minutes and ended up with the paramedics being called, the 2nd assessment they started right from the very beginning and it took me 2 hours and 39 minutes!!! I got a total of ZERO points. I recorded both interviews ready for the tribunal as I knew what they would do.
@@shezjackson2801 Luckily it was on the telephone, if it was face to face I would have walked out tbh.
What evidence did you provide to them as to how you are effected against the descriptors?
Did you tell them you were recording the assessment? If not then the tribunal will dismiss your recording without even listening to it regardless of what is said in the recording. Just a heads up for you...
@@thetoad7367 That is incorrect, a tribunal will take your recordings as evidence as long as they have been transcripted and witnessed by an independent person, my illegal recordings have just been accepted for my mandatory consideration and I went from zero points to being awarded full benefits, you have to remember DWP and for example, IAS all have their own policies but they are not law, they are just rules that they feel you should adhere to but as you don't work for said DWP or IAS they don't mean anything at a tribunal as long as your evidence proves that what you have shows the DWP have lied.
Looking at these comments is getting me extremely sad and anxious about my assessment 😔 I’m 24 and I can’t help but feel like they are going to try and cheat me out of the money I need to live... it’s good to know that recording the assessments is an option and will still be taken into account even if they don’t know they are being recorded. Thanks for your knowledge and good luck to all of you
A world of greed & unkind , Good decent people verses those who are not that karma WILL eventually find .
With severe osteoarthritis on both feet and hands I was persistently asked how far I walked . I said I didn’t go out. Then he asked did I go to the doctors I said yes. I said my wife dropped me off . So he asked how did you get from the car to the doctors . I said I walked from the side road. He asked how long and I said less than two minutes.
From that he estimated that I could walk more than 50 metres 80 metres. And dropped my mobility to 4 points .
I looked up on google maps and the walk was 29 meters . We have sent this in on the mandatory appeal.
i got turned down and i am thinking to film how bad i get and put it on hear shiow how discusting they are .
Had my phone assessment today, didn't get asked most of these questions, lasted 1.5hrs and then at the end said it will take 8 weeks for a decision 😲 also said they might need to phone back if anything needs clarifying? Glad it's done, got cancelled previously
Hi did you get points or did they lie and give you zero. If you don't mind me asking.
@@diamondzz19 hi, ok so they gave me points and I got awarded pip on the low rate for both sections which I was happy with tbh, couple hundred every month is not too bad.
0 points? 🤔 These people are taking the biscuit!
in 2018 in answering a freddom of information request that took them3 years to answer the DWP admited setting its decision makers an 80 % failure target
so stop with your bullshitting defence
in 2019 a report from glasgow university concluded that the tories austerity war on the long term sick disabled and dieing had sent 330,000 uk citizens to an early grave
These assesments do not consider any evidence from peoples gp's or specialist they activly ignore it
This sounds like an esa assessment rather than a pip tbh I thought they concentrate on his disablity not wether he can work or not
I got 13 daily living and 10 points mobility
I've got mine in 10 hours....im not goingvto sleep at all...
The decision is made by what the Assessor writes down which more often than not is complete bullshit to what's being said in the assessment , You Say one thing they write down the opposite , i was a total wreck in an assessment once was hyperventilating , panicking , sobbing like a baby , BUT according to the Assessors Report 'Appeared to be calm and collected throughout the assessment' Then the lies continued throughout by the assessor or i would say very important facts which would have a baring which just get left out because they choose not to write it down. Always have it recorded if possible because these Assassins sorry Assessors are there to take you down by hook or by crook regardless how ill you might be it means nothing to them they go home afterwards and sleep well at night i can assure you ready to go again the next day.
Shes saying "ok" before he has finished giving his answer?
Because she just wants a answer yes or no soon as she gets that question then that’s were it all goes wrong because then u know u won’t get any points because she is putting what she wants in there and putting words into his mouth
What was the outcome
I have a PIP AWARD REVIEW TELEPHONE assessment in the next few weeks and I've told them I'm going to record the whole interaction as it's my rights to do so for poor memory and for my own personal use only. if I don't get it I will take it further as I no I'm fully entitled to it
I have mine on Monday. you're brave! any advice you can give me?
Hi John. How did your assessment go? Yes always best to record it, because a tribunal we listen to it before making a judgement.
Did you get an award? I have the same things (anxiety and ptsd) and my phone assesment today. Any advice? Thanks
@@piphelpadvicesupport9346 The difficulty for some who are so used to masking disability (making invisible) will clam up more if recorded, even when for their own protection. Attending an appeal in person more so as have already been through a horrid emotionally turbulent process. SCD & Anxiety is crippling often quiet ways. These people get left behind with no support.
This is disgusting. I wish you had have asked for a recorded assessment. You do have to give them a few weeks notice but they supply the two way recordings and you get to have a copy they keep the other. This means when things are twisted you have proof of what was said.
you got 0 points cause they get £80 for everyone they lie about and get thrown off
I've never had any issues with PIP or ESA - I've had several assessments. Just recently, I've put in for a change of circumstances due to my mobility deteriorating and I went from standard to enchanced on PIP on a paper based decision. I suffer terribly with anxiety as well - I haven't been out for a year.
Sorry to hear that. Glad you was put on enhanced, you deserve it. I have had bad GAD since 1993, so I know what your going through. I have been taking Citalopram for ten years to help with anxiety disorders. What medication are you taking? All the best and hope you feel better soon.
@@piphelpadvicesupport9346 I'm on 30mg of Citalopram. A lot of my MH issues are triggered by chronic pain and the fear of falling. If I'd had better support at the beginning regarding that, it really would have helped x
@@kdp8133 is it depression or anxiety you have, as citalopram is for depression.
@@muppetsshowupatspeakerscor579 Both.
They're absolute liars I'm taking dwp to a tribunal they put me through hell I have depression and they made it worse I shouldn't have to fight for something I'm legally entitled to that benefit should be given to people who have a diagnosis of a condition or disability they shouldn't have to prove anything
I listen to the recording, it was interesting from both sides. You have to remember there are those who want to do their jobs but are restricted by the red tape of the DWP and there are others. They're people who really want to work and need support and those who will find every reason not to work. There are those who play the system and there are genuine people who cannot work. It is not all on the assessors and it is not all on the claimants.
Here's one. 1987 report swollen wrist and stabbing pains to GP. Told it was a torn tendon and I would have to give up my job and claim industrial injuiries benefit. Consulted job centre and told not entitled to claim it. Reported the information to GP. Response, silence, action taken none. 1993 I met someone with the same injury and they told me they were getting it, so I went back to DWP and told a worker and I was told they would arrange it, but I did not see any paper work. Jan 1994 I consult my GP and tell it I have applied for it sfter finding out the previous advice was wrong, but not heared anything. Feb 1994 I attend gov medical assessment, but hear nothing more. I had just got a job after spending about a year unemployed. After telling the employer I was limited on what kind of work I could do, I was given task that injured me. In 1996 after becomming unemployed again I went to college to try and requalify with the intention of adding a BA to my existing qualifications so I could get a paying job an advance. The DWP medical report was not sent to me, it was sent to my GP who failed to notify me of it. It was later found in with someone elses medical records. Because I did not know the results of the 1994 medical report I had to re apply in 1997 because I was trying to get accepted as a disabled student because I would not have been able to afford it otherwise. At the ATOS examination the doctor wanted to carry out the wrong assessment so I explained what I was there for and what the injury was. I was very conescendingly dismissed so i tols it its manners were bad. The response was a temper tantrum so I explained I am terminating the exaMINATION AND I WILL COME BACK AND HAVE IT WITH SOMEONE ELSE. The report was sent to me that time. It described me as a fraudulent injuries claimant and without taking me to court first and proving it, I was completely cut off. I had one DWP dept investigating me for fraud, one trying to get me accepted as a disabled student, and another trying to block the injury claim as I was appealing the desciscion. I complained to the GMC about thATOS doctor's behaviour, but heared nothing. Two appeals and three years later I win the appeal and the doctor was repremanded for false and defammatory reporting. I appealed against re assessments for the injury as well and won that. By then I was cut off by the system, could not pay bills, i had letters from bailiffs saying they were comming to empty my home and sell my possessions at auction. I had my water disconnected, and suffered three evictions attempts. An arm injury became an arm injury and a severe anxiety condition. I spent several years off sick with it. I was exhauste. I have been cut off twice since then. The anxiety condition left me with a very erratic sleep pattern that is long standing and I have to manage that as a self employed person. When I was first cut off I took on work I was not insurable for, or be evicted. Three months of that was as an employee. I noticed the tax and national insurance deductions for that period were not acted on and the national insurance payments were not added to my contracted out pension. I am still waiting, after years of notifying and complaining for that to happen. I just wanted to re qualify and get a job and the DWP and ATOS stamped all over it. I am 64 now, 18 montha away from retirement with an erratic sleep pattern. Thanks a lot you cretins in the DWP. Edit: the stats used in the script are known to me. I understand the term being used by initiated alumni for it is "the theft of an ancient artefact". Those of you on the square will know what the artefact part of that is. Some one it told me the algorithm had been stolen. I see a lot of it in the stats in these you tube videos. people calling themselves doctors and so on. Who are you trying to kid?
@@mathsfornineyearolds Such a disturbing read - but thank you for sharing this. I would send a copy to your MP as the whole system let you down so badly. Really hope you don't ever need to contact DWP again and take time to enjoy the little things in life which are beautiful. x
@@mathsfornineyearolds th-cam.com/video/QRqXBsgnYok/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Movieclips
in 2018 in answering a freddom of information request that took them3 years to answer the DWP admited setting its decision makers an 80 % failure target
so stop with your bullshitting defence
in 2019 a report from glasgow university concluded that the tories austerity war on the long term sick disabled and dieing had sent 330,000 uk citizens to an early grave
These assesments do not consider any evidence from peoples gp's or specialist they activly ignore it
This is really a winner for people who are good at interviews.
What is this woman digging for with her Internet questions?
I feel like they have been encouraged to try and catch people out.
That's why you ask for a recorded interview, the tape doesn't lie, someone with a low moral compass on a potential bonus or incentive will go for the bonus. What they tell themselves to be able to do it is easy. Many of the questions asked aren't relevant, he should have answered "not relevant".
@@northernthrifter8817yes like asking him if he passed his exams at school?! He’s married with a child and said he hasn’t worked for 20 years. Pretty sure his school days are not relevant at this point.
Hey what was the outcome of this?
0 Points but after Reconsideration received 11 points. Have to fight very hard to get justice.
@@piphelpadvicesupport9346 How did you go about getting an MR? My father received 0 points eventhough he has mental health problems.
You can openly record in front of them and there's nothing they can do about it except refuse to appear on video.
It's done on the phone at the moment.
What utter rubbish. The assessor can stop the interview if consent is not given to record. Please do not listen to him, as all what will happen is that the interview is stopped, you will be asked to leave, if you do not leave then security and then possibly the police and you will score zero points.
@@marknorville9827 Why would the assessor not wish to be recorded?
Hey bro did you get awarded pip & what rate
its in the description mate he got 0
@@dazeb I couldn’t watch it all it made me anxious about mine
She sounds awful 😂😂😂😂
Surely that sort of lying on official documents is an offence under the disabilty act and the assessor should be charged? Maybe in these cases if people made police complaints of hate crime under the disbality act and assessors like this got into legal trouble they'd think twice?
I have been told by every doctor Iv ever had, ever member of staff Iv had contact with at the Citizens Advice Bureau, Various Psychologists, Numerous NHS nurses and various members of staff at financial advice companies as well as my bank, that the DWP can do as they please and they are above the law, there is nothing anybody can do about it! So if not a single person in a position of authority will challenge them you are left helpless!
@@munkiking4511 That's worrying, no organisation should be above the law. That in itself is a grounds for complaints surely. Even so I was referring to the individual assessors themselves. If more and more victims made complaints under the disablilty act against the assessors rather than the "department". And if the police don't investigate properly then complaints to the Police should be the next step.
@@munkiking4511 why are they're so powerful 🤔 & able to get away with it all..
did you get the pip brother?
No he didn’t unfortunately
What i don't understand is people like myself with proper medical conditions are the ones targeted by dwp, good game players use their family friends, lie and go and work continuously and get the highest rate of everything. I've recently had an operation and am on my own struggling. No help from anyone. I ended crawling the stairs because i couldn't stand up. Atos and dwp should target liars first, not vulnerable disabled people who can't work.
Absolutely true. This enrages me .I know loads of liars who get full whack and the car .The Family and friends back up the lies. They work sporadically so the system doesn't catch up with them. Problem is with that you are trapping yourself in a lifestyle you have to keep up , eg not be seen walking anywhere by neighbours etc...i know people who go out in the car then when at their destination they can run skip and jump around 😅 slipping into the disabled character when it suits them. I am totally alone and have no one to back me up with my claim. I did however get my PIP award obviously they knew I was genuine, my assessor was lovely none of the questions fazed me I didn't have to lie. I also want to add that they don't just go on your interview. I had plenty of medical evidence and they write to your GP for a report. If the report isn't that great or not much on it that will play a part in the overall decision. Obviously if you are unable to undertake certain activities the GP should back that up. Always go to tribunal they award it to almost everyone, they are dumb.
So does the assesor have a medical degree?
Most of the one being recruited now must be a doctor, nurse or other allied health professionals (all are medically trained in the capacity of their profession, I cannot comment on the one in this recording). Also I believe are employing these assessor directly (do not quote me, just seen the job adverts.
No they don’t they pretend they are consultants in every department 😂
Were you allowed to record?
Yes, and everyone can record, but must tell PIP before. Now recordings can be used as evidence in tribunals.
@@piphelpadvicesupport9346 thanks!
@@piphelpadvicesupport9346 Some may get told no, but as long as its kept private then it isnt categorically illegal at all, simple thing is dont listen to them if they say no ever
Atos interviews go like this, If you walk into the interview you have failed. If you talk to them you have failed. That just about sums the scum bags up, traitorous lying back stabbing four letter word people, everyone they don't give it to they get a bonus.
I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE HAVING AN INTERVIEW WITH THEM TO RECORD EVERYTHING...
Please can anyone give me advice, I have a tribunal next Wednesday and I am so so worried !! I was given 0 points I have ptsd anxiety gad mobility issues after being in 2 car crashes. Multiple suicide attempts I’m so worried
Sorry to hear about your troubles, hope you get through withyour PIP tribunal.
I worried for a year. My tribunal went well, they saw my anxiety, as i cryed throughout. Dont worry, there very nice people. Just answer questions honestly like i did. They will have all your evidence. All they do is go through your claim form and the answers you gave. Your just repeating your answers. There not as bad as you think. Good Luck. 😊
Did you get an award? I have the same things (anxiety and ptsd) and my phone assesment today. Any advice? Thanks
75 % of appeals the claimants win
in 2018 in answering a freddom of information request that took them3 years to answer the DWP admited setting its decision makers an 80 % failure target
so stop with your bullshitting defence
in 2019 a report from glasgow university concluded that the tories austerity war on the long term sick disabled and dieing had sent 330,000 uk citizens to an early grave
These assesments do not consider any evidence from peoples gp's or specialist they activly ignore it
@@jaynekittycat9252 SCHEURMANS disease curviture of the spine plate damage at al levels
perthes disease deformed hip joint
chronic pain and mobility problems
had been on incapacity benefit for 2 years then was told i was goung to be assesed
scored zero points
went to tribunal after scoring 0 points and having the reconsideration turned down took a year
awarded 15 points for mobility offered extra points for obvious chronic depression
i told them no i wanted the dwp to apply their rules on repetition and safety ( doing things)
ended up on £20 per week for 3 years
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reassesd after 3 years again scored 0 points for mobility
however was awarded ESA support due to mental issues lol lol lol
during this process the assesors informed my gp that in their opinion i was a suicide risk
thanks to the my gp stopped my tablets for chronic pain and will only issue paracetomol
unbelievablle
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in 2018 in answering a freddom of information request that took them3 years to answer the DWP admited setting its decision makers an 80 % failure target
so stop with your bullshitting defence
in 2019 a report from glasgow university concluded that the tories austerity war on the long term sick disabled and dieing had sent 330,000 uk citizens to an early grave
These assesments do not consider any evidence from peoples gp's or specialist they activly ignore it
Wow a nurse do the medical unbelievable/ trying to catch this guy out with her daft questions
Y no picture
How the bloody hell are you concentrating with that keyboard clicking going on. This is nonsense, it should be enough if your doctor says you are worthy. Adrian, I would love to know.... Did you get PIP or not.
I thought that. It’s gonna interrupt his concentration when thinking of his answers
May I suggest CBD oil for anxiety? All the best.
Get a job fool
No matter what got said. Their gonna twist it and screw you out of it with lies.! Atos don't give a toss.!
This is years Older
How disgusting and demeaning are the questions what is 10 pence take away 7 !!!! It proves nothing at all. But they will fill in that you can manage your money/financial affairs on the form !!!
Please be aware that you don’t have to answer anything you’re not comfortable with or that you deem too ridiculous, fold the paper, how demeaning.
whats going on internet got to do with anything
Because in the assessors eyes it means he cud get a job working from home
It isn’t the actual nurse who makes the decision did you bare that in mind
They are awfull people, they are intimidating, the assessor even put that my friend was on Facebook, I assure you she wasent, have you got a bank account? Of course she has a bank account, they play mind games even Thoe you write in detail and give them all the information they need, why oh why do you need a face to face assement only to be asked the same things that you wrote in your claim or review form, it's unbelievable how your not belived, shall we all get jobs doing this job, and save so Maney lives by suicide!!!
Yes a very small percent pass depends what number u are on the day I have arthritis in my spine disc bulge lower back outer hands are numb lose feeling and my score was zero I know some 1 that can change a clutch on there car in my street that suppose have same condition as me get full pip aw and some 1 with arthritis in foot get it ill just carry on struggling daily
Ok alright i just have read your answer that you get it after mandatory reconsideration. Maybe its personal question to ask but it would be great help if you answer what was the objection on which basis they give you zero points as i can hear your more then 90% dependent on wife.
Hi. Thanks for writing. Yes I am largely dependent on my wife and a few other people. It is very common to get PIP after a mandatory reconsideration. This is because all the nurses working for ATOS, Maximus etc are trained to write negative reports and blatant lies. Then there are very biased decision makers who awards the points (office workers without any medical training) So don't worry if you get low points after your telephone assessment. I urge people to record their assessments because this can be used as evidence in a tribunal. What's most important is to have strong medical evidence and write a letter for your mandatory reconsideration, why you believe you should get PIP, explain your daily problems and why you need help from other people, to live a normal life. Like I say if you have strong medical evidence from a doctor, you will be fine. It can't be disputed. Let me know if I can help you further. I wish you good luck and hope you get PIP.
@@piphelpadvicesupport9346 Even better yet get the evidence solid or as solid as possible from doctors before the assassment know its late (like you didnt do that earlier in my previous two) just literally saying that yeah may help you in the future take great care, hope sincerely you get it its frustrating I know
@@jsmithmultimediatech How can I apply for a mandatory reconsideration via letter? If I send it to the address would they receive it?
@@dnelwpwohrn I dont know should be on the decision letter where you can send a Mandatory Reconsideration letter, rather its not me who deals with mine its my dad since rather I'm incapable of dealing with it usually due to mental health problems
Have heard of people sending mandatory reconsideration letters and just been put in with normal mail so I'd make it perfectly clear its a mandatory reconsideration you want
Is here www.gov.uk/mandatory-reconsideration/how-to-ask-for-mandatory-reconsideration
Or can be used in a form assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/683380/if-you-disagree-with-a-decision-made-by-dwp.PDF
When they dont give you time to answer? And answer for you there lieying. This guy has to say 'could you please let me answer the question becouse i dont know if thats a question or a statement and why are you rushing me?
No one should have to record these assessments if they told the truth
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Are you still alive and breathing? And if you are then why is that? Why why why? Did you pick your nose at school 30 year ago?
😅 true but its disgusting
you can record openly as well but they do not tel;l you that
Jeeez why is she typing
Like that ???? Constantly putting words in your mouth! It’s uncomfortable listening. I have a face to face tomorrow for physical limitations and mobility but listening to this am nervous. That tap tap tap is jangling my nerves and I’m not a shrinking violet 😳😵💫
Just listening to this assessment I can read between the lines of both sides. I can see why you got 0 points.
The problem = Your wife looks after you like a nurse or carer.
A lot of people with mental disabilities need someone to help them. This is what PIP is for. My wife is not my carer but helps me out.
@@piphelpadvicesupport9346 I was just saying that the assessor would probably think that you don't need help or money because your wife helps you all the time. She should get carers allowance etc
@@Unicorns My wife cannot receive any benefits she is not a British Citizen.
@@piphelpadvicesupport9346 can you reply to posts would be helpful.
@@Unicorns The assessor doesn't make the decision mate, the DWP do based on the recording and assessor's report which will hopefully be an accurate record of what was said.
You can ask for your interview to be recorded. Do it
Yes and record it yourself also. Don’t trust them to record it .
Yes and record it yourself also. Don’t trust them to record it .
Fold a piece of paper… Jesus Christ the questions are ludicrous.
Ask why are u asking this question ?? Be precise and educate yourself against these armchair psychologists who get a power trip
This is the same reason police have body cams and savvy people record em…..?.p.s regardless of weather I believe this guy or nott
There's no way he scored any points.
she said, in this interview, supposed to be an assessment lol