I feel awful for Eric. Unfortunately, it seems like a near impossibility to get this reversed. He seems like a really bright guy and hopefully can find other ventures to put his talents in to. The Air Force doesn't deserve you. Wishing him the best.
Yeah he sounds fucked. He was supposed to alert his command when all this messed up stuff happened so they could handle it but he watched it happen and the became the narc for OSI, which not only got the individuals in trouble but made the command look bad and they are going to punish him for allowing it to happen. The command is going to state that he was obligated to report this to them immediately and not play undercover agent because he was basically watching it go down and then narcing later. So as much as it makes sense on a legal level to gather evidence and punish the bad guys, he was obligated to call it out and try to stop it immediately. It is nice that he caught the bad guys but the moment he didn't report it to his command he became a suspect who allowed it to happen.
@@wvance0316 I need to unpack this more with Destiny. I did report this to my command. That's actually the reason I was discharged. Put simply, if I said nothing, I would not be discharged.
Read the guys claims. It's the most insane fan fiction I've ever read. Ostensibly fascists in Italy found a UFO and the Pope told the Americans who took control of it once the Nazis fell in 1945. It's actually paranoid schizophrenic shit.
Honestly our military doesn't deserve these loyal soldiers. After all the BS the Air Force put him through, and he STILL wants to serve. We don't deserve him.
@@TurtleChad1Yea! Nothing more un-American than *checks notes* exposing and testifying against sexual criminal offenders including rapists. Those are the elite men that we want as leaders of our military. 🤡🤡🤡🤡💩
Whistle blower is someone who saw something bad and has the courage to tell that story. Volunteering to be a dirt bag to catch other dirt bags is still choosing to be a dirt bag. Dont believe this dude.
This sounds to me like exactly the kind of story John Oliver would cover on Last Week Tonight. They love this kind of stuff, and if he had the legal might of HBO behind his case I'm sure he'd get reinstated pretty quick.
honestly yes, he needs to collect his story, get all the documentation he can to prove the veracity of his claims, and then get in contact with them some how. I guarantee that they would love to do an airforce whistleblower gets forced out of the service. Snitches get stitches, or at least discharged... there is one big downside to this approach though, It would create even more drama around the issue, which, would make his life in the service harder IDK how big of an affect this would have... The other big issue is that there is currently a writers strike going on. SO, idk how that affects the show
The internal politics roadblocking the right thing being done are what makes a good military weak, from the inside out. I am not a veteran, but I see veterans talking about this kind of stuff constantly. You do the right thing and make the wrong person look less good, and you miraculously end up working sanitation for the rest of your contract. The military can't figure out why recruitment and retention is so bad, yet turns a blind eye, or worse, actively covers for this kind of shit.
@@Daruwee OSI looks out for OSI. By the sounds of it, they let this man lose his career all because they didn’t want it to be known they were doing an investigation. They made him do things with the understanding that they had his back and when push came to shove he was just a useful idiot they they denied even knowing. I spent 10 years in the Air Force and OSI is always listening and doing something shady. They are like the secret police of the Air Force.
I’d send a formal letter to the DOJ civil rights division. Claiming that you experienced discrimination under the protect bases of: 1.Sexual Harrasment 2. Retaliation In the letter simply state what you did uncovered, identified, and reported sexual abuse, and what happened because of your actions, you were discharged with poor grading. Your seeking to be reinstated into the air force at your previous rank with your demerits record expunged as they were acquired as part of your assignment.
The DOJ said it was not in their scope to pursue this case. They referred us back to the IG. The IG just ran us in circles. We are still being blown off. Unless the public exercises their voice we are just blowing in the wind. We need help! I’m his mom
This guy got more demerits than Bill Bellamy has felonies 😂 In all seriousness, he did a brave and great thing. Unfortunately as pretty much always the whistle-blower gets punished
"You upheld the principles of the Air Force by bringing this to light, but you got egg on our face so you're gone." I hope he has found his place in the world, but he needs to move on and put the Air Force behind him. That door is most likely forever closed and while it will be tough, accepting it and finding purpose outside of it will be the best in the long run.
This. 💯 This. My cousin went through an event with a similar outcome at Westpoint and it tore/has been tearing him up for years because of how much he wanted to serve.
Yeah, I feel for him, but it's crazy that he still wants to serve. Even if by some miracle he got back in, he would be under constant scrutiny and/or thrown into some position that he hates.
I respect what he did and I hope he finds something else in life because no matter what he does the Air Force or probably any branch is closed to him permanently. It’s just how it is.
You're absolutely right. And frankly, I can completely understand why. This dude literally spent multiple years informing on his squad mates and thought he was going to have a career in the service?? No chance. I would feel differently if he just happened to witness an SA or whatever and then became a witness, but the general AS does not want you if you cannot be trusted - and becoming what is essentially a mole for OSI will NOT do you any favors unless you happen to finagle a position specifically through your work with OSI.
Nah, he can continue to serve...things have changed in all branches of the military. 10-15 years ago, things would have gone down very differently. He would be better off going to a different branch though.
@@GSP-76 Maybe but it’s so unlikely or so hard that I think he should just quit and find another passion. I just got out of the marines myself, I know how toxic leadership can be wether wrong or right.
@@Bori.1776 Yeah it can definitely be like that and people feel disillusioned by it...but the federal government has made serious changes from the top down to cut this kind of BS out... notice how the clown in the video refused to talk about the whistleblower. He knows damn well he's being watched too..if he runs his mouth in a stupid way, they won't hesitate to make an example of him...and they have been doing it a LOT over these last 5-7 years. I think the government realizes that in our current society a 3-5 star general is no where near as important as he would have been 25-50 years ago. Automation, technology, advanced weaponry has changed the entire face and scope of the military. When incidents like this happen, it turns away potentially thousands of not 10s of thousands of people possibly looking to enter the armed forces. They recognize that now and will axe a top level guy like he was nothing if it means saving recruitment numbers. There's a really good documentary that goes into the social make-up of today's military vs how things were just back when the first Iraq War happened. I was actually quite shocked..but it is for the better good. They're trying hard to eradicate that "good ole boys" club mentality where if you don't conform to them, you get ostracized and singled out.
Maybe worried about getting outed himself, maybe he’s not very fond of black people, but that’s presumptuous and rude. Probably thinks they give him too much credit
@@LegiamasC-OnTwitta If he was worried about being outted, I think he would act differently. It is really presumptuous to say what the probably cause of his anger is, but I think it is worth finding out.
This also sounded kinda fantastical til he got to his reenlistment code. That’s not something a random faker would know to even give, and it’s definitely an odd fit with an honorable discharge
OSI are the shadiest fucks you'll find in the military. I was getting interviewed for information on this airman that had sexually assaulted a girl in my flight because I was at the base club at the same time as him swearing I knew intimate details about him after 2 months on station. Then years later my best friends were abusing OTC cough meds and when one went to get help about it, they all ended up under investigation, one friend cut a deal where he would get to stay in if he informed on the others, then after he complied 100% and sealed the case for them he also got a less than honorable discharge.
Homie really should pursue flight via private industry rather than wasting his entire life trying to re-join the airforce. It's not gunna happen, and he'll never get to fly like he wants that way. It's not happening, even if he gets big attention they'll roll the guy who is now super-intendant or something, but they'll never EVER take him back.
Prior naval aviation here. This is more or less what I'd tell him, as well. If this didn't mess with his GI bill benefits. He will be able to research and pursue commercial avenues with funding/grants. Unfortunately, in his intent to be a stand-up person, regardless of how anybody feels about it all, he unknowingly committed a handful of unspoken no-nos within military service. unfortunate, but i'd think if his goal is that he just wants to work as a pilot, he should move on and research other avenues to that end
I feel for they guy cuz I think I would have made similar decisions but I guess the moral of the story is to keep your blinders on focus on you and don't help the government 😅
That beginning with the OSI guy gloating about getting promotions for his colleagues off this case is really gross after listening to how they did this guy dirty and basically used him to get their 'historic' cases evidence. Hopefully if he goes around doing interviews and summarises his story like Destiny said, he'll get some traction, man deserves better than the airforce, but they definitely owe him more than an honourable discharge.
@ericthomas3239 oh 😞 I can't imagine how frustrating this has been for you, and I'm truly sorry you've essentially been punished for being a good person. It's infuriating to me that you haven't been given the opportunity to restore what was taken from you... Especially being former military myself. THANK you for your service, and for saving that woman. Lord knows the service needs more people like you 🙏 Hopefully someone @TheYoungTurks will reach out and explain why they haven't picked up your story? But good luck to you regardless.
There is a conflict of interest with legal and medical professionals in the military These people are officers of the military before they are doctors or lawyers So if you ask them to write on your behalf but it diminishes the military at the same time, they basically have to do so with potential repercussions on their end and technically the military/officer oath they take forbids them to defend individuals against the military since they themselves are the military and represent the military
Those buttons on the side of your phone have this function where it raises the decibels of the media you are consuming. Perhaps you may find utility out of this knowledge, as it would have invalidated your initial thought pattern which caused the action of leaving this comment
If the US military had ANY sense, they'd have the whole Airforce ran by qt tomboy pilots and the whole Navy ran by qt femboy sailors. Solve the whole issue.
Fair enough. Part of asking speaking with Destiny was to clean up how I tell my story. I'm too caught up in the details and try to speak factually while considering most of the audience has no point of reference to understand what I'm saying. Tough to balance.
@@ericthomas3239 Yea i feel for ya but it seemed slightly skitzo. I think if you wrote the story down and compacted it to try to make it a "opening statement" might help with the overall presentation...seems like for something like this optics are EVERYTHING.
@@bigbaderek1978 Dude, seriously. I listened back and thought, “Damn, I sound like I’m some schizo, ADHD, Dave Chappell Tyrone dude who’s trying to tell the world he saw Narnia.” So I agree, I was all over the map and it isn’t good optically. Hoping I could chat with Destiny again in a more articulate and clear manner.
This sounds like he wants to go back into the army in the end. It sounds like the actual investigation is happening and people are getting convicted, he's just collateral. Idk if there is a path forward for him besides either trying to get compensated and moving on or just move on.
Destiny is traveling for the next week so August likes to keep some content in the back pocket for times like this so we don't have to go through a long drought.
If what he said is true that’s super shitty, if the military wants to take SA seriously (like all their training/testimony to Congress suggests) his story sets a terrible precedent.
I heard about this i was stationed at ft Carson in 2012-2016 this was huge on sharp i always wondered why they pushed it so hard normally they said the academy which is in the same city was having sexual assault issues.
Try the second largest air force in the world, the Navy. In all seriousness though, Eric really should bide his time and just reenlist in another branch during a time when the army is hurting for numbers.
Pretty sure he can't join any branch at all because of what they wrote when he was discharged, if I heard correctly. I think he said he is in the same category as a felon when it comes to that kinda stuff
@@kloakheesten I've been in for over a decade. I've never been a recruiter, but I've worked with some. He may not fly in the Air Force, but if he really wants it, he will get back in. Recruitment is the same in all branches. In 2009 having a joint discovered at MEPs would've gotten you kicked out and blacklisted. In 2010 a dude could get bonded out of an aggravated battery and kidnapping just to get a 6 year contract. It depends on the year, the type of 'blacklisting,' circumstances, and most importantly, the needs of the army.
I tried. Because of the designation code or re-enlistment code that I was given, I'm similar to a convicted felon and no branch will accept me -- I've tried them all.
Time to leave the Air Force behind man. Get the word out as much as possible and hopefully any leadership that's still in a position will end up getting some type of repercussion. Most likely won't and if anything they'll just be forced to retire. If you still want to fly pursue other avenues in a different branch or in the civilian sector. Academy pilots are worse than frat bros and every legacy or academy grad I was around at Vance were strange to say the least.
This story is all over the place…but it sounds like a clear cut case of “conduct unbecoming” which you can still be given an honorable discharge for. It just means the military thinks your character isn’t up to its standards and wants nothing to do with you.
Wish I had more time to unpack things, I understand how that could be the case but the difference is between conduct that was levied by the OSI ( as I was ) and conduct unbecoming (private or public intention to violate article 133 of the UCMJ ).
I’m glad this guy did what he did. However CI’s are people serving themselves 9/10, and by the amount of times he had to clarify “he just wanted to do the right thing” and the amount of demerits he had… this guy seems like he was about to get kicked out of the airforce anyway
I was trying to rush but I wasn't about to get kicked out. If there was no OSI, I wouldn't be discharged. If I had more time with Destiny, I could show this through documentation.
And then destiny goes what cases where things dont work out for you if you never did anything wrong and you put your case through the right channels you are just gonna get sorted out if u dont then u must not be as clean as u say u are. But to their face cant find those words.
Bro no offense but you were never serving again after this. Even if you really didn't do anything wrong and helped bring bad people to justice, it would always be an issue having you in the service.
Dude the military is politics and if he was in ocs he knows that. Also, yea it's a bad idea to force the military to let you back I by "exposing" a wrongdoing of theirs. Like man you just need to move on with your life, be happy if you did some good for women, and try flying commercials planes.
@ericthomas3239 that's a noble idea and worth attempting. In practice it doesn't work that way. Firstly, in order to really be in a position to change anything you have to be in the top brass. Secondly, the issue with this particular situation is regardless of whether it was the moral thing to do or not he is a snitch now. That will always cause problems and especially in an organization like the military. Honestly if there were a guy like that in my unit I would be happy he did the right thing but I wouldn't trust him anymore. Also, let's not forget this is the academy and while it's still part of the military it's not the same as the larger entity. I'm not saying there aren't issues there as well but it's a weird thing to try and navigate.
@@chrislastname1994 FYI, I'm the "Eric" of the story lol. I hear you man and you're not entirely wrong when it comes to "change from within begins with the top brass" I agree with you. Working my way to said portion to cause some positive change is slim, I agree. But that doesn't mean It isn't worth trying. If more did, maybe we'd be a little bit better today then we were yesterday. As for the "snitch" label, I'm hoping Destiny allows me back on to clear up some things. I understand where you're coming from ( assuming you served ) but trust is earned and from squamates to strangers, from active duty officers / enlisted and retired, there isn't a total loss of trust. I never went around "snitching" like some criminal Netflix series. If that was the case, there are and have been many things I could've and could still say but that's stupid and does no good at the end of the day -- especially if you're smart about being dumb which I'm guilty of too. I only stood/stand by " Hey, don't r*** women" and if someone calls me a snitch for that then I'll own it.
@ericthomas3239 yea I did serve and I guess I was lucky cause I was never witness to anything besides average horseplay and drinking. That being said none of the guys/girls around me would stand by and let something like sa happen. I get that it does I struggle to accept that it's a widespread thing. You have to look at this from the global perception to an extent. There are things that we should change but weighing that against the larger picture gets kind of murky. It's like in order to fix a problem you have to acknowledge said problem. That entails a whole lot of bad things for the person or persons who do it. It also stains the organization as a whole. So the end result may be better conditions but there will be a storm in the interim. Right or wrong that's just the way it is. I don't mean you're a snitch in the sense of the old crime show. It's not said as a pejorative. A lot of the time it's a deal with in house type of thing. So when you have someone who is working outside of the house it feels weird. I'm not saying what you did was wrong or that you are untrustworthy. However, you must understand how those actions would alienate you. Think of it like this, a friend of yours tells you that your gf is cheating on you with a guy. Most people wouldn't be mad at them for doing the right thing and telling you, but there is a subconscious part that resents them for breaking the facade. You wouldn't normally stop being friends with that person, but there would be an awkwardness there. This is why most people aren't immediately sure whether they should spill the beans. Lastly forcing your way back in is likely to very uncomfortable for you. It might be the case that you succeed and it all works out. However, it might also be the case that you succeed and are met resentment and struggle. You need to honest with yourself and come to terms with the possibility of either outcome. I hope it works out for you though man and I wish you good luck.
I want to believe him, but he can not explain it clearly at all. Seems it stemmed from him being at places and doing this that would get him kicked out. It just so happened that OSI asked him to inform them about all future parties etc. So he kept doing the dumb stuff while informing. Unclear whether he was actually doing the all the BS only on behest of OSI or just informing them as an incidental.
@@TurtleChad1you race brained. He ain’t say nothing about race lol. Sounding like a liberal teenager. The generalization of sports players was pretty cringe tho
It sounds like they just wanted him to snitch if he’s something wrong. They’re not asking him to go out and investigate. They’re not saying to go out, break rules with the rule breakers, and report back to us. So while he was snitching, he wound also snitching on himself, and was held accountable for the rules he broke. And an honorable discharge, without being able to rejoin seems fair. They’re not hindering his career outside of the military and he’s not able to rejoin.
But wouldn’t the code RE4 that he now has on his military record, equivalent to the ratings of the others who were convicted of rape, quite literally and directly “hinder his career outside of the military”..?
@@inteallsviktigt he already admitted to leaving without permission. He claimed to get permission from this super spy program he thought he was a part of, but he didn’t mention telling his command about leaving, which is why he got in trouble. They also got him for being around people drinking on base. He claims that he put it in his report, but didnt mention if he was an active participant in this party or if he informed his command (I’m betting he didnt). Even with his story, I can easily understand why they found fault in his actions, so I can only imagine what he’s leaving out.
@@2fated, no. Jobs outside of the military will see that he got out under honorable discharge. The RE4 is his reenlistment code. That just means if he tried to join a branch of the military, he will be ineligible. People are ineligible for reenlistment for many reasons, not just being a killer and rapist. He used those examples to garner sympathy.
@@inteallsviktigt, he says “they found out from my witness report.” Yeah, that’s well after they should’ve found out. He still actively broke, at least, the rules he admitted in this interview. There’s no way he should’ve gotten the impression that he was in some kind of elite spy program. He knew nothing about the first incident, so the agent offered him the opportunity to be a snitch. That doesn’t make him a spy that exempt from the rules.
@jordanstarks3118 I thought so, just seeing if anyone else understood or could explain. Pretty cringe tbh. I can probably point to thousands of white grapists in jail right now. Not sure what this clown is trying to say other than being racist? Lol
Eric, you met the Trump connection at church. Under Biden I'd suggest hanging out at drag shows, crack dens or maybe board meetings of foreign oil companies.
I don't think this is a good reason for that, but I agree. The selection for what MOS is open for woman should be drastically reduced. I saw firsthand the difference between a all-male combat unit to non-combat units with woman and the difference between them is insane. Soooo many problems come from it most civilians can't even wrap their brains around it because it is such a different world to what they know.
@Majorfuckinghero Nah. I'm kinda joking, but damn, I've seen and heard about some shit in the barracks. Especially right after basic training, there is a ton of debauchery going on. Lots of partying, copious amounts of alcohol, and lots of slutty girls looking to prove themselves as one of the boys. There are many problems that come with mixing men and women in the military, but none of them are necessarily women's fault. So no, I don't actually think women shouldn't be allowed in the military. I had some good female friends while I was active duty, if you know what I mean.
This dude was a snitch and is now sad that he got fked over being a snitch. Dont be a snitch has nothing to do with ratting people out. It has everything to do people who rat people out get used by people that dont care about you.
I feel awful for Eric. Unfortunately, it seems like a near impossibility to get this reversed. He seems like a really bright guy and hopefully can find other ventures to put his talents in to. The Air Force doesn't deserve you. Wishing him the best.
As far as I’m concerned, the fewer high intelligence people we waste on the military, the better.
Yeah he sounds fucked. He was supposed to alert his command when all this messed up stuff happened so they could handle it but he watched it happen and the became the narc for OSI, which not only got the individuals in trouble but made the command look bad and they are going to punish him for allowing it to happen. The command is going to state that he was obligated to report this to them immediately and not play undercover agent because he was basically watching it go down and then narcing later. So as much as it makes sense on a legal level to gather evidence and punish the bad guys, he was obligated to call it out and try to stop it immediately. It is nice that he caught the bad guys but the moment he didn't report it to his command he became a suspect who allowed it to happen.
@@wvance0316 I need to unpack this more with Destiny. I did report this to my command. That's actually the reason I was discharged. Put simply, if I said nothing, I would not be discharged.
I was expecting aliens but this will do
I'd prefer Aliens
@@1qualitybacon agreed
Certainly is a *type* of invader.
Same
Read the guys claims. It's the most insane fan fiction I've ever read. Ostensibly fascists in Italy found a UFO and the Pope told the Americans who took control of it once the Nazis fell in 1945.
It's actually paranoid schizophrenic shit.
Honestly our military doesn't deserve these loyal soldiers. After all the BS the Air Force put him through, and he STILL wants to serve. We don't deserve him.
Seems like he just wants to fly. And unfortunately the military has a bit of a monopoly on that kind of flying
Yeah we don't. He's only holding us back with that anti American behavior.
@@TurtleChad1Yea! Nothing more un-American than *checks notes* exposing and testifying against sexual criminal offenders including rapists. Those are the elite men that we want as leaders of our military. 🤡🤡🤡🤡💩
@@TurtleChad1 can you tell me under which amendment of the constitution raping and abusing your colleagues is protected?
@@TurtleChad1the man’s an American damn patriot boy, watch your tone
The way we treat whistleblowers is disgusting.
Whistle blower is someone who saw something bad and has the courage to tell that story. Volunteering to be a dirt bag to catch other dirt bags is still choosing to be a dirt bag.
Dont believe this dude.
Snitches get stitches
@@ThinWhiteLukeYou a rape apologist?
Your mom was a great whistle blower too :3
Maybe it’s because the term “whistleblower” is cringe af. If they referred to them as “sentinels” or something, maybe it would be more respected.
This sounds to me like exactly the kind of story John Oliver would cover on Last Week Tonight. They love this kind of stuff, and if he had the legal might of HBO behind his case I'm sure he'd get reinstated pretty quick.
Legal might of HBO, vs… the US military?
@@mikephilly215the US is mostly owned by corps
@goddessofthots5096 an entertainment company is not shit to the military
@@nomemeshere4807if they use their resources to get him a legal team or something along those lines, maybe
honestly yes, he needs to collect his story, get all the documentation he can to prove the veracity of his claims, and then get in contact with them some how. I guarantee that they would love to do an airforce whistleblower gets forced out of the service. Snitches get stitches, or at least discharged...
there is one big downside to this approach though, It would create even more drama around the issue, which, would make his life in the service harder IDK how big of an affect this would have... The other big issue is that there is currently a writers strike going on. SO, idk how that affects the show
The internal politics roadblocking the right thing being done are what makes a good military weak, from the inside out. I am not a veteran, but I see veterans talking about this kind of stuff constantly. You do the right thing and make the wrong person look less good, and you miraculously end up working sanitation for the rest of your contract.
The military can't figure out why recruitment and retention is so bad, yet turns a blind eye, or worse, actively covers for this kind of shit.
As a vet, yeah its true, politics can really fuck you over and especially if it's somebody who has sway or command
His first mistake was working with and trusting OSI.
i guess the problem is he did some really good things in the with catching those rapist
@@Daruwee OSI looks out for OSI. By the sounds of it, they let this man lose his career all because they didn’t want it to be known they were doing an investigation. They made him do things with the understanding that they had his back and when push came to shove he was just a useful idiot they they denied even knowing. I spent 10 years in the Air Force and OSI is always listening and doing something shady. They are like the secret police of the Air Force.
So shady holy shit
@@MrMctastics very shady. I’m interested to know what exactly he was told and promised to be an informant.
@@AARon-fe1mo damn, it always seem like there a needs to be a police for the police… or something to hold then accountable
When you can tell the age of the clip by the game in the backround. R.I.P. me.
When was it?
You can also tell based on the fact that Dan is there :(
also dgg chat on screen
Also the amount of blue in his hair.
I’d send a formal letter to the DOJ civil rights division. Claiming that you experienced discrimination under the protect bases of:
1.Sexual Harrasment
2. Retaliation
In the letter simply state what you did uncovered, identified, and reported sexual abuse, and what happened because of your actions, you were discharged with poor grading.
Your seeking to be reinstated into the air force at your previous rank with your demerits record expunged as they were acquired as part of your assignment.
The DOJ said it was not in their scope to pursue this case. They referred us back to the IG. The IG just ran us in circles. We are still being blown off. Unless the public exercises their voice we are just blowing in the wind. We need help! I’m his mom
This guy got more demerits than Bill Bellamy has felonies 😂 In all seriousness, he did a brave and great thing. Unfortunately as pretty much always the whistle-blower gets punished
"You upheld the principles of the Air Force by bringing this to light, but you got egg on our face so you're gone."
I hope he has found his place in the world, but he needs to move on and put the Air Force behind him. That door is most likely forever closed and while it will be tough, accepting it and finding purpose outside of it will be the best in the long run.
Based air force
This. 💯 This. My cousin went through an event with a similar outcome at Westpoint and it tore/has been tearing him up for years because of how much he wanted to serve.
@@TheAcademik😊oh
Yeah, I feel for him, but it's crazy that he still wants to serve. Even if by some miracle he got back in, he would be under constant scrutiny and/or thrown into some position that he hates.
@@TurtleChad1are you a brain dead comment bot?
I respect what he did and I hope he finds something else in life because no matter what he does the Air Force or probably any branch is closed to him permanently. It’s just how it is.
You're absolutely right. And frankly, I can completely understand why. This dude literally spent multiple years informing on his squad mates and thought he was going to have a career in the service?? No chance. I would feel differently if he just happened to witness an SA or whatever and then became a witness, but the general AS does not want you if you cannot be trusted - and becoming what is essentially a mole for OSI will NOT do you any favors unless you happen to finagle a position specifically through your work with OSI.
Nah, he can continue to serve...things have changed in all branches of the military. 10-15 years ago, things would have gone down very differently. He would be better off going to a different branch though.
@@geolectric_universe I don’t view it that way, he did the right thing. The military just hates getting egg on their face.
@@GSP-76 Maybe but it’s so unlikely or so hard that I think he should just quit and find another passion. I just got out of the marines myself, I know how toxic leadership can be wether wrong or right.
@@Bori.1776 Yeah it can definitely be like that and people feel disillusioned by it...but the federal government has made serious changes from the top down to cut this kind of BS out... notice how the clown in the video refused to talk about the whistleblower. He knows damn well he's being watched too..if he runs his mouth in a stupid way, they won't hesitate to make an example of him...and they have been doing it a LOT over these last 5-7 years. I think the government realizes that in our current society a 3-5 star general is no where near as important as he would have been 25-50 years ago. Automation, technology, advanced weaponry has changed the entire face and scope of the military. When incidents like this happen, it turns away potentially thousands of not 10s of thousands of people possibly looking to enter the armed forces. They recognize that now and will axe a top level guy like he was nothing if it means saving recruitment numbers. There's a really good documentary that goes into the social make-up of today's military vs how things were just back when the first Iraq War happened. I was actually quite shocked..but it is for the better good. They're trying hard to eradicate that "good ole boys" club mentality where if you don't conform to them, you get ostracized and singled out.
I am honestly interested in hearing why that one guy doesnt believe him. He seemed really upset about it
Maybe worried about getting outed himself, maybe he’s not very fond of black people, but that’s presumptuous and rude. Probably thinks they give him too much credit
@@LegiamasC-OnTwitta If he was worried about being outted, I think he would act differently. It is really presumptuous to say what the probably cause of his anger is, but I think it is worth finding out.
@@inandoutoftheabyss9953 It prolly doesn't reflect well on his reputation if he has several cadets being found to engage in rape
@@forzaacmilan36 that too, not exactly a bright spot on your career to have multiple subordinates convicted of multiple violent crimes
@@inandoutoftheabyss9953 unfortunately nobody can force him to tell the truth and since he doesnt want to it will never happen
This also sounded kinda fantastical til he got to his reenlistment code. That’s not something a random faker would know to even give, and it’s definitely an odd fit with an honorable discharge
Idk why you'd doubt the story at all if he already had tons of reports and a NY times article backing him...
@@Notale3Majority of Americans choose to ignore facts unless it's convenient to their belief/narrative. Not suprising tbh.
@@CutACrowi think this is a people thing, not an American thing. I'm Aussie and see it all the time lol
OSI are the shadiest fucks you'll find in the military. I was getting interviewed for information on this airman that had sexually assaulted a girl in my flight because I was at the base club at the same time as him swearing I knew intimate details about him after 2 months on station. Then years later my best friends were abusing OTC cough meds and when one went to get help about it, they all ended up under investigation, one friend cut a deal where he would get to stay in if he informed on the others, then after he complied 100% and sealed the case for them he also got a less than honorable discharge.
He didn't get an honorable though, he said he got a "General under honorable conditions"
Homie really should pursue flight via private industry rather than wasting his entire life trying to re-join the airforce. It's not gunna happen, and he'll never get to fly like he wants that way. It's not happening, even if he gets big attention they'll roll the guy who is now super-intendant or something, but they'll never EVER take him back.
Prior naval aviation here. This is more or less what I'd tell him, as well. If this didn't mess with his GI bill benefits. He will be able to research and pursue commercial avenues with funding/grants. Unfortunately, in his intent to be a stand-up person, regardless of how anybody feels about it all, he unknowingly committed a handful of unspoken no-nos within military service. unfortunate, but i'd think if his goal is that he just wants to work as a pilot, he should move on and research other avenues to that end
@@roody_io This has stripped me of any and all benefits
The audio is terrible in this one
Biggest mistake this guy made was talking to OSI, they're not your friends, they won't have your back. Don't willingly talk to OSI 🤷♂️
Anyone else thought O.S.I was just the military group in The Venture Brothers?
Wow, i feel called out for my phone always being low but not quite dead. Lol 😂
Ain't no way he getting back in with a code of 4.
I feel for they guy cuz I think I would have made similar decisions but I guess the moral of the story is to keep your blinders on focus on you and don't help the government 😅
That beginning with the OSI guy gloating about getting promotions for his colleagues off this case is really gross after listening to how they did this guy dirty and basically used him to get their 'historic' cases evidence.
Hopefully if he goes around doing interviews and summarises his story like Destiny said, he'll get some traction, man deserves better than the airforce, but they definitely owe him more than an honourable discharge.
Thanks. Been trying to speak to people but it's really difficult to get anyones attention.
Swear my gf maintains her phone battery in a perpetually nearly dead state.
I can say the same for my Mom and sister.
How has no one picked up this story? Maybe tyt will get it rolling
They will, once someone tells them what to say.... Polling on the subject probably hasn't come back yet.
They're shilling to a right wing grift atm
@@DMLoosey Fortunately, this is one of those stories that pisses off everyone 🤍
I tried reaching out to them and I was ignored.
@ericthomas3239 oh 😞 I can't imagine how frustrating this has been for you, and I'm truly sorry you've essentially been punished for being a good person. It's infuriating to me that you haven't been given the opportunity to restore what was taken from you... Especially being former military myself. THANK you for your service, and for saving that woman. Lord knows the service needs more people like you 🙏
Hopefully someone @TheYoungTurks will reach out and explain why they haven't picked up your story? But good luck to you regardless.
Wait, is DGG chat back on stream?
There is a conflict of interest with legal and medical professionals in the military
These people are officers of the military before they are doctors or lawyers
So if you ask them to write on your behalf but it diminishes the military at the same time, they basically have to do so with potential repercussions on their end and technically the military/officer oath they take forbids them to defend individuals against the military since they themselves are the military and represent the military
I can never take people with nationalistic pride seriously
What a joke
Hey, I graduated in that Academy. Inside of ONE of their hockey rinks.
This dude need to get a WRITER. Everyone in politics has one nobody does it on their own.
Why is Nas in the thumbnail?
Wish I could hear the video
Turn up the volume, monkee
Those buttons on the side of your phone have this function where it raises the decibels of the media you are consuming. Perhaps you may find utility out of this knowledge, as it would have invalidated your initial thought pattern which caused the action of leaving this comment
@@EnnayXIX This information is gonna blow his mind if he can figure out how to read notifications
@@JimC607 u think so idk maybe hes just dumb
Sounds like a personal problem.
If the US military had ANY sense, they'd have the whole Airforce ran by qt tomboy pilots and the whole Navy ran by qt femboy sailors.
Solve the whole issue.
Fuckin based my guy
So basically you want China to win?
@@TurtleChad1 China would submit to our qt army if that happened bro.
@@TurtleChad1 They're already all tomboy and femboys!
Who do you think does the programming for their systems?@
This guy really needs to work on sorting his story out. If you want to get it out there the first time he told it I didn’t catch most of it
Fair enough. Part of asking speaking with Destiny was to clean up how I tell my story. I'm too caught up in the details and try to speak factually while considering most of the audience has no point of reference to understand what I'm saying. Tough to balance.
@@ericthomas3239 Yea i feel for ya but it seemed slightly skitzo. I think if you wrote the story down and compacted it to try to make it a "opening statement" might help with the overall presentation...seems like for something like this optics are EVERYTHING.
@@bigbaderek1978 Dude, seriously. I listened back and thought, “Damn, I sound like I’m some schizo, ADHD, Dave Chappell Tyrone dude who’s trying to tell the world he saw Narnia.”
So I agree, I was all over the map and it isn’t good optically. Hoping I could chat with Destiny again in a more articulate and clear manner.
This sounds like he wants to go back into the army in the end. It sounds like the actual investigation is happening and people are getting convicted, he's just collateral. Idk if there is a path forward for him besides either trying to get compensated and moving on or just move on.
Why upload this now? What took so long?
Destiny is traveling for the next week so August likes to keep some content in the back pocket for times like this so we don't have to go through a long drought.
If releasing this interview NOW was intentional its genius!
If what he said is true that’s super shitty, if the military wants to take SA seriously (like all their training/testimony to Congress suggests) his story sets a terrible precedent.
man going to to his worst moments of life ... gotcha anything else?
I had a stroke reading this.
@@DMLoosey Damn shame that you recovered from it
This was NOT last night on Destiny
Lol I never charge my phone and my wife phone is never below 50. She always telling me to charge mine. 🤣🤣😂🤣
Unrelated question, does anyone know what game Destiny is playing?
Pretty sure it's "The Last Spell"
Looks like it, thanks a bunch!
Post the story to your substack and have DGG send letters to Biden.
i clicked this thinking it would be about aliens
August knew….
I heard about this i was stationed at ft Carson in 2012-2016 this was huge on sharp i always wondered why they pushed it so hard normally they said the academy which is in the same city was having sexual assault issues.
Try the second largest air force in the world, the Navy.
In all seriousness though, Eric really should bide his time and just reenlist in another branch during a time when the army is hurting for numbers.
Pretty sure he can't join any branch at all because of what they wrote when he was discharged, if I heard correctly. I think he said he is in the same category as a felon when it comes to that kinda stuff
@@kloakheesten I've been in for over a decade. I've never been a recruiter, but I've worked with some. He may not fly in the Air Force, but if he really wants it, he will get back in. Recruitment is the same in all branches. In 2009 having a joint discovered at MEPs would've gotten you kicked out and blacklisted. In 2010 a dude could get bonded out of an aggravated battery and kidnapping just to get a 6 year contract. It depends on the year, the type of 'blacklisting,' circumstances, and most importantly, the needs of the army.
I tried. Because of the designation code or re-enlistment code that I was given, I'm similar to a convicted felon and no branch will accept me -- I've tried them all.
Time to leave the Air Force behind man. Get the word out as much as possible and hopefully any leadership that's still in a position will end up getting some type of repercussion. Most likely won't and if anything they'll just be forced to retire. If you still want to fly pursue other avenues in a different branch or in the civilian sector.
Academy pilots are worse than frat bros and every legacy or academy grad I was around at Vance were strange to say the least.
Crazy, I was supposed to be at Vance too ( class of 2014 ). I'm trying to clear my name.
Nice to see my school get media attention
Nice! Which class?
it's a shame the audio on this is such cancer
This story is all over the place…but it sounds like a clear cut case of “conduct unbecoming” which you can still be given an honorable discharge for. It just means the military thinks your character isn’t up to its standards and wants nothing to do with you.
Wish I had more time to unpack things, I understand how that could be the case but the difference is between conduct that was levied by the OSI ( as I was ) and conduct unbecoming (private or public intention to violate article 133 of the UCMJ ).
I’m glad this guy did what he did. However CI’s are people serving themselves 9/10, and by the amount of times he had to clarify “he just wanted to do the right thing” and the amount of demerits he had… this guy seems like he was about to get kicked out of the airforce anyway
I was trying to rush but I wasn't about to get kicked out. If there was no OSI, I wouldn't be discharged. If I had more time with Destiny, I could show this through documentation.
OSI is the Office of Secret Intelligence
I can't understand anyone in this vid.
Dgg chat Aware
Am i the only one who thought this would be about aliens or something?
Destiny’s chat has always been insufferable
Kinda sad this is LNOD content. I’d prefer this get as many views as possible.
Thanks man. I was kinda disappointed too but I'm grateful for any platform.
His voice reminds a little of vegan gains, but without sounding so annoying.
Based take my wife never charges her phone
200 demerits, i guess crime does pay sheesh
What about Brianna wu?
And then destiny goes what cases where things dont work out for you if you never did anything wrong and you put your case through the right channels you are just gonna get sorted out if u dont then u must not be as clean as u say u are. But to their face cant find those words.
I wouldn't fight this long and hard on multiple public platforms if I was hiding something.
I missed dan
Mr Thomas coming in hot with some wild content here
Bro no offense but you were never serving again after this. Even if you really didn't do anything wrong and helped bring bad people to justice, it would always be an issue having you in the service.
Why?
Whatever happened to this guy. I feel like he came on so long ago
Still here. Hoping to speak with Destiny again.
Dude the military is politics and if he was in ocs he knows that. Also, yea it's a bad idea to force the military to let you back I by "exposing" a wrongdoing of theirs. Like man you just need to move on with your life, be happy if you did some good for women, and try flying commercials planes.
Why not try change the system for the better from the inside out?
@ericthomas3239 that's a noble idea and worth attempting. In practice it doesn't work that way. Firstly, in order to really be in a position to change anything you have to be in the top brass. Secondly, the issue with this particular situation is regardless of whether it was the moral thing to do or not he is a snitch now. That will always cause problems and especially in an organization like the military. Honestly if there were a guy like that in my unit I would be happy he did the right thing but I wouldn't trust him anymore.
Also, let's not forget this is the academy and while it's still part of the military it's not the same as the larger entity. I'm not saying there aren't issues there as well but it's a weird thing to try and navigate.
@@chrislastname1994 FYI, I'm the "Eric" of the story lol. I hear you man and you're not entirely wrong when it comes to "change from within begins with the top brass" I agree with you. Working my way to said portion to cause some positive change is slim, I agree. But that doesn't mean It isn't worth trying. If more did, maybe we'd be a little bit better today then we were yesterday. As for the "snitch" label, I'm hoping Destiny allows me back on to clear up some things. I understand where you're coming from ( assuming you served ) but trust is earned and from squamates to strangers, from active duty officers / enlisted and retired, there isn't a total loss of trust. I never went around "snitching" like some criminal Netflix series. If that was the case, there are and have been many things I could've and could still say but that's stupid and does no good at the end of the day -- especially if you're smart about being dumb which I'm guilty of too. I only stood/stand by " Hey, don't r*** women" and if someone calls me a snitch for that then I'll own it.
@ericthomas3239 yea I did serve and I guess I was lucky cause I was never witness to anything besides average horseplay and drinking. That being said none of the guys/girls around me would stand by and let something like sa happen. I get that it does I struggle to accept that it's a widespread thing.
You have to look at this from the global perception to an extent. There are things that we should change but weighing that against the larger picture gets kind of murky. It's like in order to fix a problem you have to acknowledge said problem. That entails a whole lot of bad things for the person or persons who do it. It also stains the organization as a whole. So the end result may be better conditions but there will be a storm in the interim. Right or wrong that's just the way it is.
I don't mean you're a snitch in the sense of the old crime show. It's not said as a pejorative. A lot of the time it's a deal with in house type of thing. So when you have someone who is working outside of the house it feels weird. I'm not saying what you did was wrong or that you are untrustworthy. However, you must understand how those actions would alienate you. Think of it like this, a friend of yours tells you that your gf is cheating on you with a guy. Most people wouldn't be mad at them for doing the right thing and telling you, but there is a subconscious part that resents them for breaking the facade. You wouldn't normally stop being friends with that person, but there would be an awkwardness there. This is why most people aren't immediately sure whether they should spill the beans.
Lastly forcing your way back in is likely to very uncomfortable for you. It might be the case that you succeed and it all works out. However, it might also be the case that you succeed and are met resentment and struggle. You need to honest with yourself and come to terms with the possibility of either outcome. I hope it works out for you though man and I wish you good luck.
man now I gotta decide to do a felony or become fat to not get drafted if WW3 happens okay thank you for the info
I want to believe him, but he can not explain it clearly at all. Seems it stemmed from him being at places and doing this that would get him kicked out. It just so happened that OSI asked him to inform them about all future parties etc. So he kept doing the dumb stuff while informing. Unclear whether he was actually doing the all the BS only on behest of OSI or just informing them as an incidental.
Hes Q
🤣
I wanted to hear about ET but not this ET (Eric Thomas)
😂😂
tell the dude to get a better microphone... people care more if its not painfully difficult to translate the garbled message.
Dude I know. I was speaking through my computer speaker and it was ass
This dude literally informs on his squad mates and thought he was going to have a career in the service?? LMAO
Dude, it was people r***** girls. Why would we them in uniform?
say what with the Trans phone thing? Anyone?!
How is destiny so callus. It’s gross
Why didn’t he join another branch that has planes?
An RE 4 means he is not allowed back in the military in any branch or capacity.
@@elgalloloco9136 damn
@@elgalloloco9136 Exactly.
Oh nooo the below average IQ sportsball players with CTE that went into the military right after school are graping people? Nooo wayyyyyyyy....
Least racist "Destiny fan"
@just_a_turtle_chad ...Where was race mentioned?
@@TurtleChad1you race brained. He ain’t say nothing about race lol. Sounding like a liberal teenager. The generalization of sports players was pretty cringe tho
@@TurtleChad1 There's literally nothing racist about what they said lol
@@AnthonyCheeseborough exactly. least racist.
w
It sounds like they just wanted him to snitch if he’s something wrong. They’re not asking him to go out and investigate. They’re not saying to go out, break rules with the rule breakers, and report back to us. So while he was snitching, he wound also snitching on himself, and was held accountable for the rules he broke.
And an honorable discharge, without being able to rejoin seems fair. They’re not hindering his career outside of the military and he’s not able to rejoin.
What rule did he break?
But wouldn’t the code RE4 that he now has on his military record, equivalent to the ratings of the others who were convicted of rape, quite literally and directly “hinder his career outside of the military”..?
@@inteallsviktigt he already admitted to leaving without permission. He claimed to get permission from this super spy program he thought he was a part of, but he didn’t mention telling his command about leaving, which is why he got in trouble. They also got him for being around people drinking on base. He claims that he put it in his report, but didnt mention if he was an active participant in this party or if he informed his command (I’m betting he didnt). Even with his story, I can easily understand why they found fault in his actions, so I can only imagine what he’s leaving out.
@@2fated, no. Jobs outside of the military will see that he got out under honorable discharge. The RE4 is his reenlistment code. That just means if he tried to join a branch of the military, he will be ineligible. People are ineligible for reenlistment for many reasons, not just being a killer and rapist. He used those examples to garner sympathy.
@@inteallsviktigt, he says “they found out from my witness report.” Yeah, that’s well after they should’ve found out. He still actively broke, at least, the rules he admitted in this interview. There’s no way he should’ve gotten the impression that he was in some kind of elite spy program. He knew nothing about the first incident, so the agent offered him the opportunity to be a snitch. That doesn’t make him a spy that exempt from the rules.
I looked it up and all the assailants are basketball people. Big shock
What's that supposed to mean?
@@dzed5579He’s talking about African Americans.
@@GeinousIs he wrong tho?
@@TurtleChad1seeing as I’m black myself, I have to disagree, bro is using this video to confirm his racial biases 💀
@jordanstarks3118 I thought so, just seeing if anyone else understood or could explain. Pretty cringe tbh. I can probably point to thousands of white grapists in jail right now. Not sure what this clown is trying to say other than being racist? Lol
I thought this was about ufo’s. This is lame
S*xual abuse in the military is important too? Its an issue worth addressing
@@Dsworddance22It's not
@@TurtleChad1 Is dgg being psyoped rn or what?
@@abdullahx8118Destiny is THE psy-op
@@Dsworddance22 By aliens???
Eric, you met the Trump connection at church. Under Biden I'd suggest hanging out at drag shows, crack dens or maybe board meetings of foreign oil companies.
He was punished for being anti American while in the military. Deserved.
Bro is such a chad, he literally can’t stop thinking about Destiny at all times of the day. Damn
U trolling!
I’m an anti American and and anti Russian. I’m an actual based centrist unlike Destiny who’s a centrist and isn’t based.
@@zetetic-astronomerhe has 272 comments on this channel he is not okay
He exposed sexual harassment and assault at the air force academy. Find a bridge or a six pack ring
Letting wamen in the military was a mistake.
That's your big takeaway from this?
I don't think this is a good reason for that, but I agree. The selection for what MOS is open for woman should be drastically reduced. I saw firsthand the difference between a all-male combat unit to non-combat units with woman and the difference between them is insane. Soooo many problems come from it most civilians can't even wrap their brains around it because it is such a different world to what they know.
letting rapists in the military was a mistake
@Majorfuckinghero Nah. I'm kinda joking, but damn, I've seen and heard about some shit in the barracks. Especially right after basic training, there is a ton of debauchery going on. Lots of partying, copious amounts of alcohol, and lots of slutty girls looking to prove themselves as one of the boys. There are many problems that come with mixing men and women in the military, but none of them are necessarily women's fault. So no, I don't actually think women shouldn't be allowed in the military. I had some good female friends while I was active duty, if you know what I mean.
@adox8574 yeah... Police have this issue too.
This dude was a snitch and is now sad that he got fked over being a snitch.
Dont be a snitch has nothing to do with ratting people out. It has everything to do people who rat people out get used by people that dont care about you.
Why do I have Deja Vu? Isn’t this like 6 months old?
First dggl
i'm lower down
Dont wanna be a dick but lil bro shud move on