For anyone that thinks that Jayson Tatum is not the best player on his team, y’all seriously need help. The amount of gravitational pull that Tatum attracts on defense leaves Brown with so much space to operate and attack the basket. So Brown had benefited off that coverage against Dallas, and played exceptional defense on Luka. However, this team still operates with Tatum as #1. But Brown is clearly the best #2 in basketball.
I love that my favorite team is the litmus test for casuals in this sport lol, JB my favorite player but never once after I’d say 2020 bubble did I ever think Jaylen would be the 1 on the team
Exactly. Tatum was constantly doubled this year and gameplan were made against him and he passed the ball, which is part of the reason he had so many assists this postseason. People don’t understand if you are doubled, there’s a 4v3 in your favor if you pass the ball quick enough.
Just because Tatum now plays like a team player..not going for individual stats people overlook him. Go look what Curry averaged when KD was there. Sometimes stars just sacrifice for the team to thrive.
He still doesnt play like a team player though He shot 38 pct in the Finals yet took FAR more shots than anyone else on the team despite shooting so poorly He played like a selfish empty stat padding ballhog.. Thats why he didnt get Fmvp
@@Nostalgia9478 keep the same energy for Steph then. He played so bad that Kd who was playing like a demon alongside the other players tried to feed him to win FMVP and he still sold. Also don't forget that Steph only has 1 FMVP, meaning that he was only the best player in 1 of his 4 championships, meaning if JT wins one he will already equalized Steph in that. Don't try to make up any excuses now, since you wanted to go there.
Can someone explain the SGA crowning to me? The dude is nice, no doubt, hasnt won even a little, is only months younger than Tatum. And tatum has proven he can score 30 a game, took a step back for the good of the team
It’s all about perception. SGA has been hidden away in OKC while Tatum has been making deep playoff runs his whole career with already tons of iconic moments. SGA has more “aura” and so people like him more and Tatum is easily one of the most disrespected players in the league today. Somehow this season it was Tatum had to win this year or he is the biggest choker ever and will never win, yet for SGA it’s eh ok don’t worry about it your still growing and maturing as a player
Based on modern history, Celts wont win another title anytime soon Their previous two titles came in 1986 and 2008 No followup titles for the 86/08 Celtics despite having great teams Next Celtics title prob wont happen till 2040 lol
@@Nostalgia9478Big difference is those two teams you mentioned they had miles on them . These boys are still are young and healthy besides KP .Keep hating though.
@@noneofyourbusiness-wo3bdKGs injury ruined Celtics chances in 2009 KP=KG Didnt KP just have surgery?? Holiday is 34 yrs old and KP is crippled Celtics wont repeat Keep hating the truth
The only logical answer is SGA has more aura and people don’t Tatum. 😂 if Tatum choked and lost in the playoffs like SGA he would be ridiculed. Tatum wins and people are pissed making all kinds of weird excuses
The only 3 definitely ahead of JT are Giannis, Luka, and Joker. JT is in the next tier with guys on the come-up (Ant, Brunson and SGA) and guys on the backside of their careers (LBJ, AD, KD, etc…). Embiid would have a case IF he stayed healthy AND IF he could ever get out of the 2nd round. He can’t, and hasn’t, so he’s not ahead of JT. JT is the top player on that tier. He’s ahead of SGA because he’s proven to be a guy you can build a title winner around. I THINK you can with SGA, but we KNOW we can with JT.
JT is not that relevant on his team as SGA. JT plays his role and he I really good at it, that doesn't make him better than SGA who is pretty much unguardable.
@@fringe_minorityunguardable doesn’t mean anything if you’re team doesn’t win. What is the ultimate goal in basketball? To win a championship. You’ll make your money by winning.
@@Jackson54321see you used the word “team” when we categorize a superstar we aren’t taking about team we are talking about individual player reach and talent. Tatum got..mad help. Like a lot.
@@fringe_minorityso in that aspect why doesnt sga have nearly the amount of accolades as tatum being months apart in age? SGA had one better year than tatum and thats because the ball is going around 2 other all stars and other great players.
@@bless8861 that’s pure nitpicking. Every player leads their team 🤣 sure he got help and sure on a team like Boston he might not be as needed as some other players to their team but the ultimate goal is to still win.
he averaged 30 just a season ago added Hoilday and KP two guys who can score themselves and drop to 27 while still being a elite defender how is he not top 5
I will never understand how anyone can pick Shai Gilgeous-Alexander over Jayson Tatum....But hey let the others fight over being the best regular-season player cause Tatum outgrew that early on. He knows it's about WINNING!
Because he's literally better than Tatum. Tatum plays on a better team so yeah he won a chip but that doesn't make him a better individual player than SGA. SGA is clearly a superior player. Tatum isn't even the best player on his own team lol. It was Jaylen who won playoffs and finals mvp. It was Jaylen who was the best player on the celtics the entire playoffs.
@@thuanchau7042 Stats lie if 1) you view them through a biased view and are not actually broken down properly and 2) you do not take time to watch games too cause a lot of actions do not show up on the stat sheet.
Luka not winning one Embid not winning one Joker and Giannis will never win another one SGA is never going to make it to one. Mark my words Celtics Dynasty is amongst us
Yeah... But they have to hate on Tatum. Because there's a hope that it could break up Boston's duo. Or influence his playing. Media doesn't hate on weak players. And the amount of disrespect that has been pushed towards Tatum this year is freaking amazing. So.... Either media is paid off from someone that hopes to get JT's spirits down or he is the best player in NBA
@@irvingzeistman9828 if going by your logic it seems that Mr. Leonard should be the MVP.. Or we go only and only talent wise? Injured player can not play. So ot should be an axiom that that individual can not be the best player because he or she os not playing.
Jayson Tatum is coming off of three consecutive seasons of being First Team All NBA, is the best player on a team that just won a championship, and is one of the most versatile players in the league as a two way wing who can also guard the 5 . Talent wise, he’s certainly top 5. With that said though, I think you could slot him anywhere from 5-7 best player in the league today. If you rate him lower than that, you’re probably just a hater. If you put him higher, you’re being a homer.
I think that’s the most honest answer. I think jokic, doncic and Giannis are clearly the top 3 then like the next 7-8 guys can all be jumbled up in a bunch of different orders depending on what you value in a player
Can we talk about how SGA has had 2 great seasons and will be great, however he is so easily thrown into be top 4-5 convos and Tatum who has done significantly more in his career for longer hardly makes some peoples top 10? Name 1 thing SGA has done that Tatum hasn’t I’m waiting
Everyone anointed Luka as "MVP adjacent" before he was ready for it. He's otherworldly on offense, but the Celtics went at him on defense over and over again with great success. On the other hand, Tatum guards 1-5 and does it well. That's a huge discrepancy, which is why I have Tatum top five and Luka outside it.
Stop this nonsense. Luka is an average defender but defence is more of a team thing than an individual thing. Argument could also be made that Luka is tired from carrying his team all night on the offensive end while Tatum can do noting and they can still win because the rest of his roster is so stacked. Luka > Tatum and it ain’t really close
He ain’t even top 10 . Hes a great player but he has a lot alot of support and there’s nothing wrong with that. They win the championship but come on bruh
Don’t forget that he made the finals two years ago WITHOUT KP and Holiday, and won the chip this year, also mostly without KP, leading the team statistically throughout the playoffs. He’s PLENTY capable on his own
@@tmsgamingmane4380 Curry and KD are falling off in real time. We can argue Curry, but KD? Dude got a big 3 and got swept in the first round. He ain't better than Tatum.
1)Jokic. 2)doncic 3)embiid 4)lebron James 5) Stephen curry. 6)Giannis YOU PUT ANY ONE OF THESE PLAYERS ON CELTICS AND CELTICS HAVE WON 2-3 out of the last few chips. Stop playing with me, he’s not top 5 and he’s lucky if he’s in top 10.
Make that 3 seasons in a row first team all nba, two of those years positional so he was voted best at his position unlike how it is now. But your comment won’t get as much exposure cuz it makes too much sense
Celtics getting robbed! Jayson Tatum ain’t top 5! He shot 38.8% from the field in the NBA Finals. Game 1: 11/24 = 45.8% Game 2: 4/10 = 40.0% Game 3: 11/26 =42.3% Game 4: 6/22 = 27.3% Game 5: 6/16 = 37.5%
If yall think embiid better than tatum you're funny. He cant even get out of the second round. Tatim can do everything shai can + better defense. The only players i epuld put over Tatum is Giannis, Jokic and Luka
I can name 10 players who are better than Tatum, in no particular order Jokic, Luka, SGA, ANT, AD, Bron, Jaylen Brown, Kawhii, KD, Giannis, Curry Thats 11 right there
He has plenty of weakness. He shoot’s too much. He doesn’t finish well enough. His shooting splits these playoffs were atrocious. He’s no dynamic play maker. He’s a great player, but he certainly only won the title because the Celtics had by far the best team in the league around his all nba talent.
@@kleatise52luka is a terrible defender, cries to the refs on a constant basis, he’s a very average free throw shooter about 73% which is crazy cause he foul baits, he chucks up crazy step back 3s when unnecessary, and he tends to go into 1 on 1 mode way to often💯
JT isn't a top 5 player, and Brown isn't top 10. Cut that out. Tatum is definitely top 10 tho. Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, AD, SGA, Bron, KD, etc. We have to start ranking players based on how well they play, not whether they win or lose.
Embiid has never beaten Tatum in the playoffs in like 4 tries and SGA just now made it to the second round and is only 4 months younger than Tatum…u don’t understand basketball
That team we just simply stacked around Tatum and brown. Tatum basically had similar stats now he did in the finals last time except his teammates was better. @@yousufkh_
he’s closer to 5 than to 10. Change my mind Jokic 1 Luka 2 Giannis 3 Shai 4 Tatum/Embiid/Curry/KD/ LeBron 5-9 in some order Ant/Jimmy/AD/Book/Brunson 10-14 in some order
When was the last time Embiid AND George were both healthy in April, May, and June? If either of them go down this team has no shot which is why it is so hard to build around injury prone players.
@@africadondada6555yea we know that but how can Luka not have a ring and be in the same tier as guys who have proved they can dominate they’re way to a championship
lebron kd and steph are not better then tatum 😂😂😂 and sga had one great year now he’s better? They’re the same age and tatum’s accolades are miles better then sga’s
What can SGA do that Tatum can’t? I love Curry, but the Warriors can’t even make the playoffs right now. I can’t put him above Tatum. If we talking about defense and offense, Luka and Tatum about the same. Only Giannis, Jokic, Luka, and embiid above him.
Scoring defense playmaking winning Scoring he’s around 8 of the top 15 players Defense he’s an above average defender and is top 7 on defense Playmaking he’s quite efficient, I’d say top 8 Winning he’s the most recent winner, and has been on a winning team his whole 7 years of his career. I’d say he’s a top 3 winner for how far his team has gone and ACTUALLY winning a championship whit only being 26 This would put him around 6-7 (6.5) That’s an accurate ranking. Prove me wrong
Nothing like generating a debate that doesn't matter. Ask Brad Stevens, even in private, if he'd trade JT for lardass, lazy, 'scuse-makin' fold-in-the-playoffs Embiid. It's like people who prefer Wilt over Russell. Take your stars, we'll take winners. "If Joel Embiid was healthy." And I were the King of Norway. What's the excuse gonna be for Embiid after this next season? CAN. NOT. WAIT.
I love SGA but putting him definitive top 5 because he's had a couple of great seasons from an individual statistics standpoint is questionable to me. I don't think that OKC has had enough regular season or post season success with him as a number one for me to say that he should absolutely be #4. If anything I would have Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Tatum, and Embiid in that top 5 range and SGA, Ant, and Brunson on the come up.
HOW IS TATUM TOP 5? I'll tell you who he's not better; LUKA KD STEPH GIANNIS JOKIC KYRIE SGA EMBID ANT HE NOT EVEN BETTER THAN HIS OWN TEAM MATE J B who won MVP YA'LL COOKED
Top 1.... HE been top 5 several years running now.. Best GRAVITY in the league...best 2 way player in the league.. 3 level scoring playmaker... Defends 1-5 at a high level. A selfless assassin. JT
SGA is not a certified top 5 player, I am tired of hearing this. Base on the last 4 seasons, there are certified 4 names, Jokic, Giannis, doncic & Embid...Tatum, Curry ,LeBron, Booker & KD will battle for the last spot.
They’ve already done this list. Once they actually started naming players, Tatum fell around the 8th spot. Embiid, Joker, Luka, Giannis, KD, Lebron, Steph are all above him.
I would take Tatum over sga. Sga is Alot older than y'all think. And I'll take Tatum over Luka. Basketball is played two ways. I would rather have a guy like Tatum who can score like best in league and also play top tier defense. Giannis is a freak of nature but he's got to add to his bag of tricks. And jokic is great but he's not getting any better than he is now. He's reached his peak. Jayson Tatum 26 years old. Just now entering his prime.
Don’t try to have this question now after y’all have been doubting him time & time again. JT has been a top 5 player in the NBA for quite a bit now. He’s skill is next level & y’all hate on him EVERY year. When he finally wins a title, now y’all wanna have this discussion? Gtfoh
Not Top 5, cause Jokic, Embiid, Luka, SGA and Giannis are DEFINITELY better than him. He doesnt need to be though and that's what the casual basketball fans don't understand.
SGA and embiid are not above tatum.. Embiid has never done anything in the post season. SGA is just putting up the numbers that Tatum put up last year.. Tatum has sacrificed his personal stats to win. Top 4, id argue him over Luka for top 3. He is closer to 3 than he is to 5 for sure.
Jokic , Luka, Shai , giannis, embiid, Brunson , Anthony Edwards’s is better . Man Tatum anit even win final mvp stop it . Oh and curry( his father) is better too
Sorry but female analyst got to go. Trying to talk about summer bodies gtfoh. This what the worldwide leader in sports puts out????? Thank god for my local sports media coverage smh
Tatum is closer to being the best player in the world than to being outside of the top 10 if you look at it from a postseason perspective. Every year aside from the previous his team has never been the clear favorites in the East or in the finals and yet he has the most success out of any player in the playoffs over the last 5 years. I would argue that this is the most important attribute to the best player in the world, primarily the reason Lebron was the best throughout the 2010s, because we knew come playoff time he was the best competitor. The regular season has little importance when looking back at a players legacy in terms of deciding who the best of the best is, and if Tatum continues on the trajectory he's on, in terms of this generation, he will become the greatest player.
He is good on both sides of the ball. 3 mvps a championship a finals mvp all time historic stats 1st player to lead the playoffs in points rebounds and assists all in 4 years . YUP he’s the best and it drives you nuts . LoL
last time media disrespected Tatum he ended up being a champion. Stay on that shroom trip that he's not top 5 and we'll see how that goes for the media and haters 😊
He led his team in points rebounds and assists in the finals on his team he gave it his all on d Jason Tatum is a top 5 player he passed Luka in the finals
JT not a top 5 player, he is on a good team, put JT on other teams they not making the playoffs, you think JT was going to put the OKC top team in West if you setiched places witj SGA and JT? Think he would take mavs to finals if swtich places with Luka? He aint better than Giannis, not better than Jokic, not better than KD, not better than Steph, Brunson has been looking better, SGA,
Luka .. Joel...joker... Greek...S.G.A...ANT MAN....AND WOULD TATUM BE THE SAME PLAYER WITHOUT BROWN HELL NO ALL THEM OTHER PLAYERS ARE STILL GONNA BE THE SAME PLAYER NO MATTER WHAT
5:20 Your star player is injury prone, can't stay on the court. Has never made it to an ECF. Ever. His body is only going to decline with every injury, not get better. Your #2 in PG is another player who has never done anything his entire career. Has been declining, and is also injury prone. The only good part of the 76ers is Maxey. Bold take, but the 76ers should trade Embiid and PG and build around Maxey. This team is going nowhere with embiid at the helm.
Celtics has an ownership group, not a single owner. It is not 100% for sale because the ownership group plans to buy Wyc out over the next 4 years. Then it is up to them if they want to sell the majority share, which they probably won’t. Steve Pagliuca, the other face of the ownership group and lifelong Celtics fan will likely become majority owner and governor of the group. He has said he wants to stay.
You got Embid ahead of Tatum if he's healthy, but Tatum just won a Championship and has played way better in the playoffs than Embid. While Embid hasn't even reached the conference finals. Even if he's healthy, so what if he sucks in the playoffs.
That's crazy as hell. You still got ownership but yet imma pay for the team plus the debt owed and you still have control of the franchise for X amount of years. You can keep it all, you gotta be desperate
I feel like klay should've went to Lakers better because he would've fit well with them plus Lakers desperately need a 3rd player and klay could've fit that piece now there is no way Lakers are winning a championship next season
I wish NBA talk was about who is going to win not who is the best player. You can rank Tatum 50th in the league but if he brings Boston 3 more chips I will be happy.
For anyone that thinks that Jayson Tatum is not the best player on his team, y’all seriously need help. The amount of gravitational pull that Tatum attracts on defense leaves Brown with so much space to operate and attack the basket. So Brown had benefited off that coverage against Dallas, and played exceptional defense on Luka. However, this team still operates with Tatum as #1. But Brown is clearly the best #2 in basketball.
I love that my favorite team is the litmus test for casuals in this sport lol, JB my favorite player but never once after I’d say 2020 bubble did I ever think Jaylen would be the 1 on the team
Exactly. Tatum was constantly doubled this year and gameplan were made against him and he passed the ball, which is part of the reason he had so many assists this postseason. People don’t understand if you are doubled, there’s a 4v3 in your favor if you pass the ball quick enough.
@@Jackson54321first off he was no doubled during the playoffs clearly u didn’t watch the games
@@wondering_hand0985🤣 nice jokes. This nba community is so f*cked 😭
JB>>>>>>LeTatumBRICK
Cry harder, STAN
Just because Tatum now plays like a team player..not going for individual stats people overlook him. Go look what Curry averaged when KD was there. Sometimes stars just sacrifice for the team to thrive.
10 points in a finals game is not team basketball
He still doesnt play like a team player though
He shot 38 pct in the Finals yet took FAR more shots than anyone else on the team despite shooting so poorly
He played like a selfish empty stat padding ballhog.. Thats why he didnt get Fmvp
He lead the team in points rebounds and assists yet he don’t play team ball 😅😅😅
@@Nostalgia9478 keep the same energy for Steph then. He played so bad that Kd who was playing like a demon alongside the other players tried to feed him to win FMVP and he still sold. Also don't forget that Steph only has 1 FMVP, meaning that he was only the best player in 1 of his 4 championships, meaning if JT wins one he will already equalized Steph in that. Don't try to make up any excuses now, since you wanted to go there.
@@kjjr3270When did Steph shoot less than 40 pct in the Finals yet take FAR more shots than anyone else on the team??
I'll wait
lol
Can someone explain the SGA crowning to me? The dude is nice, no doubt, hasnt won even a little, is only months younger than Tatum. And tatum has proven he can score 30 a game, took a step back for the good of the team
It’s all about perception. SGA has been hidden away in OKC while Tatum has been making deep playoff runs his whole career with already tons of iconic moments. SGA has more “aura” and so people like him more and Tatum is easily one of the most disrespected players in the league today. Somehow this season it was Tatum had to win this year or he is the biggest choker ever and will never win, yet for SGA it’s eh ok don’t worry about it your still growing and maturing as a player
@@mattsell2361SGA is better
As long as the Celtics continue to win championships I could care less where Tatum is ranked.
Based on modern history, Celts wont win another title anytime soon
Their previous two titles came in 1986 and 2008
No followup titles for the 86/08 Celtics despite having great teams
Next Celtics title prob wont happen till 2040
lol
@@Nostalgia9478Big difference is those two teams you mentioned they had miles on them . These boys are still are young and healthy besides KP .Keep hating though.
@@noneofyourbusiness-wo3bdTHIS!!!!
@@noneofyourbusiness-wo3bdKGs injury ruined Celtics chances in 2009
KP=KG
Didnt KP just have surgery??
Holiday is 34 yrs old and KP is crippled
Celtics wont repeat
Keep hating the truth
@@Nostalgia9478people have been saying the Celtics aren’t winning anything for 2-3 years already no one cares what you think LMFAOO
What has SGA done to be put ahead of Tatum ?
What has Embiid done other than get NBA media members to neg Jokic enough so that he could have some success?
People get wrapped up in accomplishments. Tatum has a super team. Turn on your tv and watch SGA, he is better than Tatum.
@@kleatise52 every really good team isn’t a super team lol
The only logical answer is SGA has more aura and people don’t Tatum. 😂 if Tatum choked and lost in the playoffs like SGA he would be ridiculed. Tatum wins and people are pissed making all kinds of weird excuses
@@mattsell2361 lol if aura could put the ball in the basket maybe they’d have a case 😂
The only 3 definitely ahead of JT are Giannis, Luka, and Joker.
JT is in the next tier with guys on the come-up (Ant, Brunson and SGA) and guys on the backside of their careers (LBJ, AD, KD, etc…). Embiid would have a case IF he stayed healthy AND IF he could ever get out of the 2nd round. He can’t, and hasn’t, so he’s not ahead of JT.
JT is the top player on that tier. He’s ahead of SGA because he’s proven to be a guy you can build a title winner around. I THINK you can with SGA, but we KNOW we can with JT.
JT is not that relevant on his team as SGA. JT plays his role and he I really good at it, that doesn't make him better than SGA who is pretty much unguardable.
@@fringe_minorityunguardable doesn’t mean anything if you’re team doesn’t win. What is the ultimate goal in basketball? To win a championship.
You’ll make your money by winning.
@@Jackson54321see you used the word “team” when we categorize a superstar we aren’t taking about team we are talking about individual player reach and talent. Tatum got..mad help. Like a lot.
@@fringe_minorityso in that aspect why doesnt sga have nearly the amount of accolades as tatum being months apart in age? SGA had one better year than tatum and thats because the ball is going around 2 other all stars and other great players.
@@bless8861 that’s pure nitpicking. Every player leads their team 🤣 sure he got help and sure on a team like Boston he might not be as needed as some other players to their team but the ultimate goal is to still win.
I don't put non 2 way players in my top 5. If you're not elite on both ends of the floor, you're not top 5 IMO.
So who’s the top 5 for you
this is true that both sides matter, but not having Jokic or Luka top 5 would be a disgrace altogether
You're correct. Absolutely.
Then you're not making a solid top 5 because plenty don't play "elite" on defense but can still be in the convo
That’s absurd, you can be so great at one side that your team can’t be beaten (magic, bird, Steph, etc)
he averaged 30 just a season ago added Hoilday and KP two guys who can score themselves and drop to 27 while still being a elite defender how is he not top 5
I will never understand how anyone can pick Shai Gilgeous-Alexander over Jayson Tatum....But hey let the others fight over being the best regular-season player cause Tatum outgrew that early on. He knows it's about WINNING!
stats don't lie and game tape don't lie. sga is better and is way more consistent every game than tatum jacking up 3s. sga all day.
Tatum is a poor mans version of Paul George, with less skill
SGA is wayyyy better than Tatum
Because he's literally better than Tatum. Tatum plays on a better team so yeah he won a chip but that doesn't make him a better individual player than SGA. SGA is clearly a superior player. Tatum isn't even the best player on his own team lol. It was Jaylen who won playoffs and finals mvp. It was Jaylen who was the best player on the celtics the entire playoffs.
@@thuanchau7042 Stats lie if 1) you view them through a biased view and are not actually broken down properly and 2) you do not take time to watch games too cause a lot of actions do not show up on the stat sheet.
@@JonathanEvans1977Tatum led in points rebounds assissts. Also you prolly think Iggy > Steph and Cedric Maxwell > Larry bird
Luka not winning one
Embid not winning one
Joker and Giannis will never win another one
SGA is never going to make it to one. Mark my words Celtics Dynasty is amongst us
Yeah... But they have to hate on Tatum. Because there's a hope that it could break up Boston's duo. Or influence his playing. Media doesn't hate on weak players. And the amount of disrespect that has been pushed towards Tatum this year is freaking amazing. So.... Either media is paid off from someone that hopes to get JT's spirits down or he is the best player in NBA
If they get to play injured teams every year sure why not , 1 and done champs
@@irvingzeistman9828 if going by your logic it seems that Mr. Leonard should be the MVP.. Or we go only and only talent wise? Injured player can not play. So ot should be an axiom that that individual can not be the best player because he or she os not playing.
Not if the Knicks have something to say about it 🤔
@enrijsvelmunskis7029 In English please . What the hell did I just read 😒
Jayson Tatum is coming off of three consecutive seasons of being First Team All NBA, is the best player on a team that just won a championship, and is one of the most versatile players in the league as a two way wing who can also guard the 5 . Talent wise, he’s certainly top 5. With that said though, I think you could slot him anywhere from 5-7 best player in the league today. If you rate him lower than that, you’re probably just a hater. If you put him higher, you’re being a homer.
So the all nba voters are homers? You sound dumb
Tatum is not the best player on the Celtics brown is
I think that’s the most honest answer. I think jokic, doncic and Giannis are clearly the top 3 then like the next 7-8 guys can all be jumbled up in a bunch of different orders depending on what you value in a player
@@ASpoloballer30troll
That’s a fair take tbh
Tatum is best SF in the NBA. Definitely top 5..
KD is better than Tatum
Tatum not even top 10
@Nostalgia9478 Tatum 🔐 up KD vs Nets with a sweep. Go check the video 📹 tape..
KD was top SF a couple years ago. Time to update the scouting report.
@@Nostalgia9478 KD ain't better than Tatum stop it please
@@Nostalgia9478 the same KD that got swept by the wolves? haha
Can we talk about how SGA has had 2 great seasons and will be great, however he is so easily thrown into be top 4-5 convos and Tatum who has done significantly more in his career for longer hardly makes some peoples top 10? Name 1 thing SGA has done that Tatum hasn’t I’m waiting
Everyone anointed Luka as "MVP adjacent" before he was ready for it. He's otherworldly on offense, but the Celtics went at him on defense over and over again with great success. On the other hand, Tatum guards 1-5 and does it well. That's a huge discrepancy, which is why I have Tatum top five and Luka outside it.
No way people think SGA, Anthony Edwards, Jalen Brunson, or KD are better than Tatum. How is SGA a top 5 player but Tatum isn't?
@Goo_FYLoC
1💍> Stats & numbers
@Goo_FYLoCmore like aura doesn’t lie 😂 that’s the only argument for sga
@Goo_FYLoC boxscore watcher lmao
@@Yoofen delusional AF
Tatum is better than sga I hate ya letting sga fool ya off of one good season 😂💯 Tatum been doing this
He wasn't top 5 in The 2024 Playoffs...What we talmbout???
Brunson, Jokic, Edwards, Luka, SGA, then Jalen Brown.
Clown 😂😂😂😂😂
😂🤡
Sga is overrated
You are cooked bro lmao, Jokic is the one player on that list better than Tatum
I would take Tatum over Luca because Luca plays NO defense. He probably gives up almost as much as he scores
Stop this nonsense. Luka is an average defender but defence is more of a team thing than an individual thing. Argument could also be made that Luka is tired from carrying his team all night on the offensive end while Tatum can do noting and they can still win because the rest of his roster is so stacked. Luka > Tatum and it ain’t really close
@@irvingzeistman9828 The Mavs "team defense" consists of the three other guys trying to make up for Luka and Kyrie getting blown by.
Tatum > Luka
the title was an eye sore what BS
Different Philly team same results 😂
Media calling JT top 5 after having the highest contract is crazy 😂
Why not? As a duo they are currently #1
@@dionreed7325 As a duo. Individually, he isn’t top 5
He was top 5 before that, what are you talking about?
@@benkocur8375 Top 5 is easily thanasis, tobias harris, dlo, klay thompson and ben simmons
He been top 5 the salary stamped it
Three straight all-NBA 1st teams is basically definitionally a top 5 player. This nonsense needs to stop.
Shai is not better than Tatum.
He ain’t even top 10 . Hes a great player but he has a lot alot of support and there’s nothing wrong with that. They win the championship but come on bruh
Don’t forget that he made the finals two years ago WITHOUT KP and Holiday, and won the chip this year, also mostly without KP, leading the team statistically throughout the playoffs. He’s PLENTY capable on his own
Whoever puts Crying Choking Joel ahead of Tatum is a fool. There are only 3 people clearly ahead of Tatum, he's on level with the rest.
I am not a fan of Embiid but bruh, this JT glazin has gone too far. Embiid is literally the MVP of the league....you sound wild rn.
@@Miles_305still can't get out of the second round 😂
@@Miles_305 what's the point in being MVP if you choke like a dog in the playoffs, I'll take Tatum over him every day
Tatum not better than Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Luka or KD. He like number 6 at best. He was mediocre in the finals.
@@tmsgamingmane4380 Curry and KD are falling off in real time. We can argue Curry, but KD? Dude got a big 3 and got swept in the first round. He ain't better than Tatum.
1)Jokic.
2)doncic
3)embiid
4)lebron James
5) Stephen curry.
6)Giannis
YOU PUT ANY ONE OF THESE PLAYERS ON CELTICS AND CELTICS HAVE WON 2-3 out of the last few chips.
Stop playing with me, he’s not top 5 and he’s lucky if he’s in top 10.
Tha last 2 seasons he's been first team all NBA sounds like top five to me
Make that 3 seasons in a row first team all nba, two of those years positional so he was voted best at his position unlike how it is now. But your comment won’t get as much exposure cuz it makes too much sense
@@terrencerobinson that means you believe Randle was a top 15 player last year lol. Terrible way to rank
@@jeremiahsmith7706 he averaged 25 10 and 4. He was.
So has sga on a far younger team.
@@scruffd0g193he averaged over 30 two years in a row no first team
Celtics getting robbed! Jayson Tatum ain’t top 5! He shot 38.8% from the field in the NBA Finals.
Game 1: 11/24 = 45.8%
Game 2: 4/10 = 40.0%
Game 3: 11/26 =42.3%
Game 4: 6/22 = 27.3%
Game 5: 6/16 = 37.5%
not even the best player on his own team and ESPNM has the audacity to claim he is top 5?
How is he not the best player of his team
@@dexter-jy3yk because JB is a better player
@@MemesOfProduction69who lead in points rebounds assist?
@@anshkaushik7920 and also turnovers
@@mambasplash2423 lebron is the all time leader in turnovers is he a fraud?
I got Tatum at 4th..at minimum he's top 6
I can name 10 players better than tatum right now.
He’s not even better than brown dude. Gimme a break. Luka Jokic Giannis SGA easily . Brunson AntKD fox I could go on
@@zbt62bro how are you gonna say Luka is better, he got exposed. Overrated asf
@crisperalta2269 let's see it
@@zbt62just shut it man
If yall think embiid better than tatum you're funny. He cant even get out of the second round.
Tatim can do everything shai can + better defense. The only players i epuld put over Tatum is Giannis, Jokic and Luka
I can name 10 players who are better than Tatum, in no particular order
Jokic, Luka, SGA, ANT, AD, Bron, Jaylen Brown, Kawhii, KD, Giannis, Curry
Thats 11 right there
Take out over half of those players and you would be correct
@@HoopLegend-h6hToo bad reality vehemently disagrees with you
No Jalen Brunson??
@@alexanderdemella6228Brunson is better than Tatum too
@@Nostalgia9478 what reality, the one in your head? lmao half the names you got up there are washed
Who cares, my man is a champion! Top 5 in my book (right now)
He’s not a top 10 player, but it doesn’t matter because they have depth and the best all around team.
name me 10 players better than him. I mean cmon all nba for a reason
@Goo_FYLoC you’d take Ja over Tatum? Wow your list is awful
@Goo_FYLoC you’d take a dude who constantly gets injured over Tatum? A dude who’s never made it past the 2nd round?
@Goo_FYLoC you’d take 2 guys who’ve never played in the finals over a dude who’s played 11 games in the finals? Ant and Brunson hell nah
@Goo_FYLoC Jokic, Luka, Giannis, SGA, Steph, Tatum, Embiid, LeBron, Kevin Durant, Ant
ESPN sinking... lol who still watches ?
Yes he is a top 5 player!
Top 5? If so, then Brown should be atleast top 4… 😂😂😂
Tatum doesn’t have a weakness, he’s top 4. Giannis, embid, jokic, Tatum
Lukas ahead of him
@@AlveyLiwanag in popularity, not as as an all around basketball player
He has plenty of weakness. He shoot’s too much. He doesn’t finish well enough. His shooting splits these playoffs were atrocious. He’s no dynamic play maker. He’s a great player, but he certainly only won the title because the Celtics had by far the best team in the league around his all nba talent.
@@kleatise52luka is a terrible defender, cries to the refs on a constant basis, he’s a very average free throw shooter about 73% which is crazy cause he foul baits, he chucks up crazy step back 3s when unnecessary, and he tends to go into 1 on 1 mode way to often💯
Clutch gene?
Bashing Tatum just to glaze that fraud Embiid is pathetic
JT isn't a top 5 player, and Brown isn't top 10. Cut that out. Tatum is definitely top 10 tho. Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, AD, SGA, Bron, KD, etc. We have to start ranking players based on how well they play, not whether they win or lose.
Tatum has had more success than most of these guys since coming into the NBA in 2017 he’s definitely Top 5
JT is Better than Embiid, Bron, Steph, Kd, Ant
@@Raider_Sage because he's had better rosters, not because he's a better player. And he came in the league in 2018
@@isaiahthomas4444 lol no. Just stop it.
@@isaiahthomas4444 no, he's not
Jokic-Luka-Shai-Giannis-Embiid(🤢), Tatum is barely top 10
Explain please
Embiid has never beaten Tatum in the playoffs in like 4 tries and SGA just now made it to the second round and is only 4 months younger than Tatum…u don’t understand basketball
@@TerminatorJoy44embid isn’t a whole team lol tatum has the best team that’s like saying in baseball shohei ohtani is bad because his team loses
Luka doesn't play defense...
@@OtakuMainer luka shot 66% guarded by tatum lol tatum isn’t good at defense either
Tatum top 5? HELL NO Tatum top 10? sure
I lwk wna know ur top 5 if u don't mind
That team we just simply stacked around Tatum and brown. Tatum basically had similar stats now he did in the finals last time except his teammates was better. @@yousufkh_
he’s closer to 5 than to 10. Change my mind
Jokic 1
Luka 2
Giannis 3
Shai 4
Tatum/Embiid/Curry/KD/ LeBron 5-9 in some order
Ant/Jimmy/AD/Book/Brunson 10-14 in some order
@@Jackson54321Hes closer to top 15 than top 5.. Change my mind
@@Jackson54321The man isn't even number 1 on his own team. How in the world can he be in the top 5.
When was the last time Embiid AND George were both healthy in April, May, and June? If either of them go down this team has no shot which is why it is so hard to build around injury prone players.
Luka’s not a top 5 player he’s a top 5 offensive player. He scores 30 and gives up 35, that’s not good at all.
Let’s be honest though, Mavs don’t get to the finals without him. You put Tatum or SGA in his place and they don’t get there
@@keeganandersson4281 if they had Tatum there winning that chip, Tatum can average 30 and play defense Luka can’t.
@@4Fam mam shut up
No, Tatum is not top 5. Stop trying to force it.
Luka being in someone’s top 3 with no chip feels really weird to me
Casual comment. The best player doesnt mean the best team...
@@africadondada6555 uh buddy I have Nikola as my best player and his team wasn’t the best last year.
He has no chips in recent years or mvps. They just on the hype train. But I at least got Luka #4
@@africadondada6555 his defense
@@africadondada6555yea we know that but how can Luka not have a ring and be in the same tier as guys who have proved they can dominate they’re way to a championship
He's not even #1 on his own team how can he be top 5? Maybe top 5 forwards
🤡🤡
he's def the best of his team
@@comradeyellow6781 who got mvp?😅
@@MacDre-ez2oc Iguodala won it in 2015, was him better than Curry? A 5 games stretch don't always tell who the best player is
@comradeyellow6781 Jalen won the ecf mvp too tho 😂
Top 5 NBA players
Luka
Jokic
Embid
Giannis
Lebron
Where on Gods green earth is Tatum top 5?
LeBum is not top 5
How is luka top 5? He was a turnover machine plays no defense and is the most unathletic star in the nba. Tatum is easily better overall
@@immortalfitReplace Luka with JT Mavs ain’t even going to the finals
@@mambasplash2423 Luka would never fit on the Celtics. He can’t play off ball, no defense, and he’s a poor 3 point shooter
@@immortalfit You right, but which team is better Celtics without JT or Mavs without Luka ?
Guess you need something to talk about. Why not take a break?
He's not in the top 5. Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Luka, KD, LeBron, Steph all better than him.
@@Jackson54321as of this most recent season, they were healthy. So they are currently better.
@@Jackson54321 KD and Bron with the flu and sprained ankles would still cook Tatum 1 on 1
lebron kd and steph are not better then tatum 😂😂😂 and sga had one great year now he’s better? They’re the same age and tatum’s accolades are miles better then sga’s
Hmm, if only Tatum and Luka could face off in some sort of final series to determine who is better…oh wait
What can SGA do that Tatum can’t? I love Curry, but the Warriors can’t even make the playoffs right now. I can’t put him above Tatum. If we talking about defense and offense, Luka and Tatum about the same. Only Giannis, Jokic, Luka, and embiid above him.
He been top five he got the game and the chip now yall gonna stop acting like the celtics would be the same without him
I like how the Celtics are simultaneously so stacked this ring is too and shouldn’t and they are full of chokers and trash overrated players 😂
He's a Champ. Nuff said.
Last player on the bench who didn't get no run is a Champ so what does that mean LOL 😂
Luka
Jokic
KD
Embiid
Giannis
and it's by far the
Tatum is top 15 at 11
Name the ten above him
That explains why he gets doubled a lot
Scoring defense playmaking winning
Scoring he’s around 8 of the top 15 players
Defense he’s an above average defender and is top 7 on defense
Playmaking he’s quite efficient, I’d say top 8
Winning he’s the most recent winner, and has been on a winning team his whole 7 years of his career. I’d say he’s a top 3 winner for how far his team has gone and ACTUALLY winning a championship whit only being 26
This would put him around 6-7 (6.5)
That’s an accurate ranking. Prove me wrong
Tatum is top 20, at best. He is so incredibly overrated.
What 😂
I’m a Celtics fan. He’s not top 5.
Underrated comment
You aren not a celtics fan dude. you a lakers stan who sucks off the dead man in the helicopter.
Wasn't Drummond the backup C in Philly before? Didn't help then. Won't help now
They ain’t have pg before tf😂😂
@@knowmekingsquad9898 bro you can't read 😂. I clearly said Drummond
They'll run Drummond into the ground on offense. And Paul George he'll miss half the season it's not a contract year.
Nothing like generating a debate that doesn't matter. Ask Brad Stevens, even in private, if he'd trade JT for lardass, lazy, 'scuse-makin' fold-in-the-playoffs Embiid. It's like people who prefer Wilt over Russell. Take your stars, we'll take winners.
"If Joel Embiid was healthy." And I were the King of Norway. What's the excuse gonna be for Embiid after this next season? CAN. NOT. WAIT.
I love SGA but putting him definitive top 5 because he's had a couple of great seasons from an individual statistics standpoint is questionable to me. I don't think that OKC has had enough regular season or post season success with him as a number one for me to say that he should absolutely be #4. If anything I would have Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Tatum, and Embiid in that top 5 range and SGA, Ant, and Brunson on the come up.
HOW IS TATUM TOP 5? I'll tell you who he's not better; LUKA KD STEPH GIANNIS JOKIC KYRIE SGA EMBID ANT HE NOT EVEN BETTER THAN HIS OWN TEAM MATE J B who won MVP
YA'LL COOKED
Top 1.... HE been top 5 several years running now.. Best GRAVITY in the league...best 2 way player in the league.. 3 level scoring playmaker... Defends 1-5 at a high level. A selfless assassin. JT
SGA is not a certified top 5 player, I am tired of hearing this.
Base on the last 4 seasons, there are certified 4 names, Jokic, Giannis, doncic & Embid...Tatum, Curry ,LeBron, Booker & KD will battle for the last spot.
They’ve already done this list. Once they actually started naming players, Tatum fell around the 8th spot.
Embiid, Joker, Luka, Giannis, KD, Lebron, Steph are all above him.
I would take Tatum over sga. Sga is Alot older than y'all think. And I'll take Tatum over Luka. Basketball is played two ways. I would rather have a guy like Tatum who can score like best in league and also play top tier defense. Giannis is a freak of nature but he's got to add to his bag of tricks. And jokic is great but he's not getting any better than he is now. He's reached his peak. Jayson Tatum 26 years old. Just now entering his prime.
Don’t try to have this question now after y’all have been doubting him time & time again. JT has been a top 5 player in the NBA for quite a bit now. He’s skill is next level & y’all hate on him EVERY year. When he finally wins a title, now y’all wanna have this discussion? Gtfoh
Not Top 5, cause Jokic, Embiid, Luka, SGA and Giannis are DEFINITELY better than him. He doesnt need to be though and that's what the casual basketball fans don't understand.
SGA and embiid are not above tatum.. Embiid has never done anything in the post season. SGA is just putting up the numbers that Tatum put up last year.. Tatum has sacrificed his personal stats to win. Top 4, id argue him over Luka for top 3. He is closer to 3 than he is to 5 for sure.
Jokic , Luka, Shai , giannis, embiid, Brunson , Anthony Edwards’s is better . Man Tatum anit even win final mvp stop it . Oh and curry( his father) is better too
Tatum is easily a top 5 player. No specific Order!
Giannis
Jokic
Embiid
Luka
JT
The next 5
Shai
Ant
Lebron
Brown
KD
Sorry but female analyst got to go. Trying to talk about summer bodies gtfoh. This what the worldwide leader in sports puts out????? Thank god for my local sports media coverage smh
Tatum is closer to being the best player in the world than to being outside of the top 10 if you look at it from a postseason perspective. Every year aside from the previous his team has never been the clear favorites in the East or in the finals and yet he has the most success out of any player in the playoffs over the last 5 years. I would argue that this is the most important attribute to the best player in the world, primarily the reason Lebron was the best throughout the 2010s, because we knew come playoff time he was the best competitor. The regular season has little importance when looking back at a players legacy in terms of deciding who the best of the best is, and if Tatum continues on the trajectory he's on, in terms of this generation, he will become the greatest player.
Tatum is top 5 players with rings. In the past 7 years
Greek Jokic Luka Embiid Tatum. .. Best 5. Jaylen might feel he needs a bump in pay after this playoff run though.
He is 9th
Jokić
Giannis
Embiid
Luka
Shai
Healthy kawhi
Anthony Davis
Steph
Tatum
LeBron
Jaylen Brown winning MVP saved us from the LUKA & TATUM STANS/ ESPN forcing us to believe that their the best 😭🙅🏾♂️
Browns maybe the 15th best player in the league I dunno
@@irvingzeistman9828 which is far from the point 😭 #1 still up for grabs & still Debatable
#1 as in the league ? Jokic hands down .
@@irvingzeistman9828 gotta be good on BOTH SIDES of the court to the the Best
He is good on both sides of the ball. 3 mvps a championship a finals mvp all time historic stats 1st player to lead the playoffs in points rebounds and assists all in 4 years . YUP he’s the best and it drives you nuts . LoL
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Jokic, luka, giannis, tatum, and sga.
last time media disrespected Tatum he ended up being a champion. Stay on that shroom trip that he's not top 5 and we'll see how that goes for the media and haters 😊
Who won the chip? Soooo. Their starting 5 are the best player's in the league. I'm guessing he is top 5.
He led his team in points rebounds and assists in the finals on his team he gave it his all on d Jason Tatum is a top 5 player he passed Luka in the finals
IDGAF about injury nothing to do with skill when embid is on the floor easy top 3
Broo Tatum is lit but not top 5 come on Celtics are just an amazing team, that doesn't make Tatum top 5
Sixers look the same as always. Fall short. Now they added another dude who no shows in playoffs.
JT not a top 5 player, he is on a good team, put JT on other teams they not making the playoffs, you think JT was going to put the OKC top team in West if you setiched places witj SGA and JT? Think he would take mavs to finals if swtich places with Luka? He aint better than Giannis, not better than Jokic, not better than KD, not better than Steph, Brunson has been looking better, SGA,
Tell me your a jayson Tatum hater without telling me your a jayson Tatum hater 😂
It doesn't matter if JT Money is top 5. He is #1 when it comes to being the highest paid player in NBA HISTORY stick that in your pipe and smoke it
No. He was asked to do LESS with MORE
Who’s pushing this agenda. It’s clear as day brown is the best player on that team
Luka .. Joel...joker... Greek...S.G.A...ANT MAN....AND WOULD TATUM BE THE SAME PLAYER WITHOUT BROWN HELL NO ALL THEM OTHER PLAYERS ARE STILL GONNA BE THE SAME PLAYER NO MATTER WHAT
Tatum would actually be better statistically without Brown, and vice versa. They just wouldn’t be able to win a chip on their own
These takes are really weak, no wonder ESPN is cutting "analysts".
'Tatum had to do more with less.'
Wow.... Get Jayson some help!!
5:20 Your star player is injury prone, can't stay on the court. Has never made it to an ECF. Ever. His body is only going to decline with every injury, not get better.
Your #2 in PG is another player who has never done anything his entire career. Has been declining, and is also injury prone. The only good part of the 76ers is Maxey. Bold take, but the 76ers should trade Embiid and PG and build around Maxey. This team is going nowhere with embiid at the helm.
Celtics has an ownership group, not a single owner. It is not 100% for sale because the ownership group plans to buy Wyc out over the next 4 years. Then it is up to them if they want to sell the majority share, which they probably won’t.
Steve Pagliuca, the other face of the ownership group and lifelong Celtics fan will likely become majority owner and governor of the group. He has said he wants to stay.
You got Embid ahead of Tatum if he's healthy, but Tatum just won a Championship and has played way better in the playoffs than Embid. While Embid hasn't even reached the conference finals. Even if he's healthy, so what if he sucks in the playoffs.
That's crazy as hell. You still got ownership but yet imma pay for the team plus the debt owed and you still have control of the franchise for X amount of years. You can keep it all, you gotta be desperate
I feel like klay should've went to Lakers better because he would've fit well with them plus Lakers desperately need a 3rd player and klay could've fit that piece now there is no way Lakers are winning a championship next season
I wish NBA talk was about who is going to win not who is the best player. You can rank Tatum 50th in the league but if he brings Boston 3 more chips I will be happy.
I love all the jealous Celtics hating going on here. Keep crying.
No. He is barely top10. He is fighting for that spot with Jimmy and D-Book. I am not even sure if he is better than Jamal & Donovan
lol imagine thinking jaylen brown is top 10. clueless.
Celtics are always going to be contenders because of JT and JB