Stephen A. DEBATES which QB (besides Mahomes) is BEST to start a franchise with! | First Take
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- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Ryan Clark and Mike Tannenbaum discuss which QB in the NFL (outside of Patrick Mahomes) is the best to start a franchise with.
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I mean it’s about time, QB Debates start with "other than Mahomes" because he’s in a galaxy of his own.
Facts he’s already top 3 all time
@@AD-ur1fk talent wise or stat wise
Mahomes is so goated he’s not even in these conversations anymore 😂😂
Mahomes has achieved OG status before 30 years old
Fax and I love it lol ppl can’t fake troll or fake hate anymore 😂😂😂😂‼️🙌💯
Patrick the white Chief Mahomes 🫡🚬
@@Blakkcartel still not better than Brady goof
@ninety8grovebaby701 if I get a nickel for every time a Brady fanboy gets insecure, I’ll be richer than Edwin Castro.
Every qb debate is which qb “other than mahomes” he’s so clearly ahead of every one else
Yeah , that’s why they do that …. What was the point of this comment lol
Ur basically saying Sky is blue and water is wet dude
No one else has a ring that’s why
It used to be every other QB other than Brady
@@DJ-ll9hv stafford do
I'm so glad Mahomes cemented himself to the point where we aren't hearing all off-season how (Insert AFC QB) Is going to unseat him and are they already better than Mahomes.
Facts
Finally!
Ngl I thought they was gonna do it again but with Stroud this time 🤣
Brady better.
😅👍
It’s funny because I remember when all of these analysts were bashing J Love lol.
1 - Mahomes
2- Burrow (healthy)
3- Stroud
4- Jackson
5- Allen
6- Herbert
7- Love
8- Stafford
9- Goff
10- Trevor
No Purdy yeah you don’t watch football
This is the list of a casual fan.
Lamar Jackson 2x MVP, 2x 1st team all pro, 3x pro bowler, top 4 win percentage in the history of the game.
And 2 playoff wins in 6 seasons despite being the #1 seed twice and well as a ceiling of 3600 passing yards for a season. Remove his legs and he's usually ordinary at best.
The man can't throw!
@@wisethabrain1100bruh shut up
Bro has choked almost every year, even with top seed and home advantage. Just can't throw that well. Great but I'd take others fo sho
James Harden has some great achievements too, but where’s his rings??
Purdy won his first playoff game as a rookie too…
“Outside of Patrick” All that needs to be said. 👍
I’m glad people are finally recognizing that Patrick Mahomes is on another level
That’s not new people was comparing him to Brady before he even won this year. When he did what he did his first year starting I feel like most people KNEW it’s just a lot of old heads and Brady fans that don’t wanna admit it.
Dumb statement, it was never going unrecognized it was just unproven until superbowls 2 and 3
I knew he was gonna be special after 2018 ironically he went from a QB I was super excited to see to now completely hate him with a passion due to Superbowl 54 and 58 loses to him it's so true idols become rivals 😳
mor like the refs let him be on another level in a real world he's not even top 3
@@getbrainseeds lmao we live rent free in ur head plus looks like u don’t know ball 😭 u got seeds for brains 😂😂😂
Lamar Jackson followed by Josh Allen. Those 2 have run the most qb centric offenses in the league.
Purdy won a playoff game as a rookie
Bro won 2 playoff games in his rookie year, Purdy has the same amount of play off wins as Lamar and dak combined in 2 years lol
@@TimKahana yeah but since he has the avengers in his team, everyone is going to downplay his achievements and rightfully so imo
@@danielwilliams693 TBH it is an easy thing to point at. But watching the film with decision making, plays outside the pocket and timing he a top tier QB. Last year was supposed to be his sophomore slump especially after the injury. As a niner fan, watching jimmy G was a hit or miss with the same offense. Trey lance played so bad that he was traded as a 3rd stringer. There is a reason the 9ers are all in with Brock.
Yes he has great players, but you still gotta pull the trigger at QB and drive the ball down the field and in the end zone
Jimmy G was 5-1 with CMC & doing great. You ppl gotta stop the ignorance. If my team is full of HOF players why would I look nervous? Play bad? Miss reads? Etc... i@@TimKahana
@danielwilliams693 same tired line that is just not telling the whole story. He has no top 10 receiver and his average yard throw for attempt led the league with a highly suspect o line bar the left tackle
This segment shows why Mike T. sitting at that desk & not running a team. Same guy who was satisfied with Ryan Tannehill as his starter for the Dolphins lol.
He shouldn’t be sitting at a desk with his awful opinions
Dollar for dollar Tannehill>tua
Stephen A: “We gon let you have to the last word” then proceeds to have the last words 😂😂
That opening shot about Bridges was great tho 😂
I love what C.J has done and he has a good coach too. But let's be honest Jordan is better with a higher ceiling. He beat Patrick and outperformed him head to head and was the #1 QB THE LAST HALF OF THE season He sat behind a a hall of famer for 2-3 years. He's learned things from Rodgers, Demeco can never teach Stroud.
Watching certain people discuss sports knowing they are not good evaluators of talent, they’re just saying stuff for ratings really irk me……I’m confused at how people can just ignore eye test based on 1 or 2seasons😂😂😂…….Jordan love doesn’t belong in the same conversation as Joe burrow, Jared Goff…….he not even Josh Allen, Brock Purdy, or Lamar…….but just goes to show you just because you’re in the sports world doesn’t mean you know them, also explains why the jets are still the dumpster fire they still are today
I love Seeing a Pittsburgh Steeler wearing a Pittsburgh Penguins Jersey!
Lamar Jackson
Nope. He choked in the playoffs.
Lmao the African quiter folds like a lawn chair in the playoffs 😅🚬
@@michaelf.bender3718You would kill for Lamar Jackson on your team f****** casual
@@goodnightmunchieyou sound like a moron 😂
@@michaelf.bender3718he has 2 MVPs. Show me the you by QB outside of Mahomes that has that 🤫
Geez I haven't watched forever "did I seen a ghost?" I thought ESPN didn't extend Ryan Clark's contract. Glad to see him still getting his bread still! 💪🏽
Josh Allen n Joe Burrow are all that come to mind
The white wizard and the white master are a great choice 🧐🚬
@@goodnightmunchieYes race is always on your mind. Think like a normal person.
@@Stevandoren1003 it's a scientific fact that more white QBs win more Superbowls then black African QBs and the numbers don't lie 🧐🚬
@@goodnightmunchiethat’s also because most QBs are white. Until recently, there were like 4/5 starting QBs that are black and the rest are white. Those two mentioned are the same ones most would take anyway but Lamar would be taken and Stroud lit it up last year and Love starting to come around. Dak is hit or miss too.
@@goodnightmunchiemore black receivers win superbowl than white receivers
1.Mahomes 2. Allen 3. Jackson 4. Burrow 5. Stroud 6. Love 7. Herbert . They're all young and great. Love hasn't proven enough
Love that Pen's jersery!!!!
It’s not a popular opinion but he’ll be proven right. Jordan Love goes toe to toe with stroud in every tangible aspect but also he’s much more mature. Stroud has too much ego and emotional for a quarterback. If ya don’t believe in that sort of thing then so be it but Mike T has been on the mountain top of evaluating players for a living and he sees the same thing
“I just want to know. Are you okay?” -Stephen A. Smith🤣
Jordan Love aka the Love Thunder is the best choice.
Saying Love doesn’t have the stats as cj is insane … lol im taking Love all day. Its a lot of hype around Cj but i dont think he’s how they making him out to be, 23-5 is good but they acting like he was throwing a party against teams. Didn’t even touch close to 30tds and everyone on his meat😂Maybe im tripping
This won't seem so outlandish when Love wins MVP next season
I dont engage in topics like these cause all it shows is how many casuals are in the comments. Good 85% are stat watchers or TV watching. Mahomes most definitely skewered every other afc Qb too cause literally non has won it all and it takes time. A Qb can play well in playoffs then other ones and still haven't got it done by winning it. You need the perfect situation from team Qb coaching and health and chiefs playing badly in the post season to get to the bowl. Turn on film and you can see what's wrong in-depth with a lot of teams. Dont want to hear the lamar can't throw either cause its only him and Mahomes with the most tds thrown with fewer then 50 picks or less reg season and playoffs. Dont want to hear burrow underperforming in playoff 4th quarters with 0 tds and 4 turnovers. Turn on film you can see lamar struggles against press man especially when Wrs ravens have aren't the taller physical kind either so all they have to do is bottle the primary TE and press their Wrs and god forbid run game dont work then the offense is screwed. Bengals from burrow 4th quarter struggles comes from offensive talent slowing down heavily in the 4th and coaching being super conservative and burrow not taking the wide open mid range shots but throwing it to the flat that's covered. Theres more like josh Allen but im not gonna get into that its gonna be extra long. Literally open ur eyes and notice for the past 6 years its been Mahomes and Brady to win a bowl in the afc. Best Qb afc besides Mahomes is hard to say cause theres so much circumstances, realistically it would have to be lamar with the most achievements, burrow got an argument but its hard cause lamar is 8-2 vs burrow burrow beats allen, Allen beats lamar. But if ur gonna take everything into consideration then its lamar burrow then allen. Co shroud making his way up there soon.
This is the problem with Mike T… like Ryan said, the question was if you were a GM of a random team who would you want to start for your team…and he keeps saying look at all the pieces around Love, and it’s a much more favourable path not having to face Mahomes until the Super Bowl(which in of itself is weird considering the only SB loss he has is to Brady) … I don’t know if that’s all because of the debate part, but cmon man that’s just ridiculous
even without Stroud theres Burrow, Allen, and Lamar.
Allen 😂😂😂😂😂
@@johnnybuchananjr9344burrow 😂😂
Sad that mahomes is the best qb by a long shot, 10 years ago this conversation would’ve had 5 different players compared to mahomes
If SAS doesn't agree with you you're probably right.
Diggs could be the downfall of the Texans, his demand for targets will affect Collins and Dell’s production and they will end up regressing. I hope I’m wrong cos I’m a Stroud fan but all it takes is one player causing culture problems
A guy with half a good season, with bad footwork and inaccurate passing? Weird flex bro. The guys throwing to wide open guys down the field with a completely clean pocket. That is the guy you'd start a team with?? You're a liar.
Man Jordan Love and CJ Stroud turned Justin Herbert from being NFL medias white knight to an afterthought.
The Joe Burrow disrespect. He recording this and watching it on repeat.
CJ hype feels kind of like that Fields hype last year. Im sure it wont be nowhere as bad but the expectation for this kid....I dont think he will reach it that quick. People are already talking about Superbowl with this kid. Have you seen his division?
stephen a is such a liar. he literally said before the greenbay game that there’s no way dallas loses.
I know right, no he's just saying it's just the Cowboys that they beat, they didn't just beat the Cowboys they smashed them on the road!
25-5 well love was like 21-1 in the last 8 games
If Lamar was playing for A Ried Offense he would have championships already.
Nobody even mention who’s going to win MVP this year .. Tua!
“Mike T” is Mike Tomlin, don’t get it twisted.
Stroud easily. If Burrow wasn’t injured it would be him hands down.
Justin Herbert
Kind of a dumb take tbh there all young, stroud had 1 year, love has had 1 year either option would be a solid pick, I feel personally Houston was missing a coach, and a QB, there weapons were good, they had defence pieces, they just needed a few pieces. Time shall tell who the better qb will be
Jordan love & CJ Stroud had 1 good season. I always take exp than projection
Bro they just be saying anything. Devin singletary was running that thang last year.
Love had more touchdowns and played better in the playoffs than CJ.
If we don’t stop gassing, Jordan love, I am going to lose my mind. My family has two serial killers already. I don’t wanna be the third.
So joe flacco falling apart had nothing to do with it?
There’s only one answer, well 1 of two guys. Josh Allen or Joe Burrow. Any other name is wrong. Love CJ Stroud, gotta see him do it again though
Brock purdy has already won 4 playoff games and almost won a Super Bowl Lombardi
New era drew brees
mahomes an Brady are treated like babies, sick of hearing “there just that good” NOPE not when the refs favour them every game nfl is toxic doesn’t deserve the loyal fans it has
Ima come back to this comment in 5 years and see how yall feel about J Love
Yall tripping like Lamar ain’t like that 😂 you telling me you really taking Jordan love over Lamar Jackson 🤦🏾♂️ we seen what 10 games of Jordan love actually playing good c’mon
Im A eagles fan im going CJ Stroud
Before even watching the answer is Joe burrow
Cj stroud based off last year
Jordan love had more passing yards and touchdown
I'll take Josh Allen, Joe burrow, Lamar Jackson, CJ Stroud, Justin Herbert over love any day of the week
Joe Burrow and Josh Allen are the next two guys.
How Stephen A not say Lamar Jackson????
Joe Burrow not in this conversation?
Dak. He's just like his team; he sells but can't deliver.
im taking Purdy … sorry bout it
Jordan Love? 🤣 I'd rather have CJ Stroud than him!
No offense but mahomes wouldn’t survive in any other generation of football besides this one. Mahomes is beyond lucky to not have to go against top tier defenders like Ray Lewis, and much more. Dude barely gets hit and people wanna sit here and act like he’s some god because defenders can’t even touch you now or else it’s a flag and you’re banned from playing. He would be been annihilated if this was in any other era.
CJ Stroud having an 80 overall on Madden 25 is also blasphemous
Facts after 1 year
Brock Purdy
youll be eating youre words after he in the mvp race this year.
He only played 1 year dawg, that’s how they rate qbs
CJ was arguably 1 of the top 6-7 QB’s from last season & he didn’t have superstar weapons like most of these guys did
Mike T always proves why he is a FORMER NFL GM 😭😭
There ain’t even a team in the UFL that would pay him more than ESPN pays him to show up twice a month to hand out whatever new nonsense he has created in his head.
Fired twice.
Tannenbaum takes are HORRIBLE
yea his take will easily age well. last time the first take crew unestimated JLove he proved them wrong
@@Candyman131-k8vthey aren’t underestimating Love, they are simply saying that CJ Stroud is the better option
How does Greenbay just keeping drafting the right QB. No gaps in 30 years
Love is trash, won 9 games. Watson is 8 and 4 with browns, and ppl are saying he is a bust ( the only thing watson has not done with browns is stay on the field, one was his fault with the allegations and the other 11 games miss are injured).
I don't understand ppl... when watson whoops the cowboys in week 1 this year you won't hear anyone sing his praise like love...
Love is avg, watson is avg, there are 3 top qbs burrow jackson and patty up top that's it, after that it's a 15 man scrum for who's on top but they ain't close to the top 3, and no Josh allen will be bad this year, hr is 14 and 18 without. Diggs on his team....
@@aaronclay4665 he started getting good secon half of the season that's why 9 wins
maybe they develop those guys not just putting them out there so early getting ruined....
It helped that they actually let him sit and learned...
It’s a strong organization that doesn’t throw college players on the field w nfl players they prepare them.
Mahomes got kicked out the conversation lmfao sheesh
They can't even fake it anymore 😂
@@ACU_misfit fr lol
He’s exempt now
Key words: Outside of, which means Mahomes is the number one choice.
@@KWCline91well those words were never really used lmao
Because it’s not a conversation if Mahomes is included
I don't understand how you could put Jordan Love over CJ.
ill take a guy who swings every game and makes occasional mistakes over the guy who occasionally collapses completely vs better teams
@@fetchyryu Occasional? Overall Stroud was a more accurate passer and better player last season. I'm far more confident in Stroud.
@@KogaNobuyoshi i cant be more confident in stroud after that ravens game bro was seeing ghosts
@@fetchyryu The Texans were a far less talented team than the Ravens. The Packers did have a better effort against the 9rs, but that doesn't affect my opinion on Stroud. This season we'll see who the better team is.
@@fetchyryu Love will be out of the league, while CJ is still battling Mahomes for MVP trophies. Imagine trashing someone playing behind a 5th string center, and had the most injuries to a single line in nfl history.
I would start a franchise with Lamar, Joe Burrow, Herbert, Stroud over Jordan Love.
Burrow is hurt too much and Hebert is good but overrated. Stroud is great but I'm going with Love.
@@fracturedsolace145😂😂burrow took his team to a Super Bowl. Love was awful vs the raiders 3 picks no tds
Obviously not hurt that much. He took his team to a super bowl after sustaining a major injury@@fracturedsolace145
Josh Allen has entered the chat. Herbert and Stroud over Allen, total joke.
@@fracturedsolace145we found the packers fan💀
The Josh Allen disrespect is insane.
He can’t win when it’s time
@@ChvddddLook at his playoff performances.
He had his time and he failed. Maybe I'm another 5 years he'll be able to get back into the conversation
@@Sckoobiey Seriously? You don't know football. Such a 2010 football take smh.
@@andrewm6044 put money on him winning the Superbowl this year then since you believe in him so much. 100 dollar bet right now and if he makes the Superbowl I'll double it. What's up?
Stroud & Love on the same level. They both was counted out. They both surprised the league as true first rnd picks. Lived up to it.
Neither was a number 1 pick😂😂
@@meese4eva976 meant first round picks.
Although I will have to agree with Mike on one thing... Love and the Packers were given the 9ers a freakin run for their money... Stroud and the Texans on the other hand were NO match against the Ravens
@meese4eva976 he clearly said "first round".
@DwainWilsonJr with the proper additions and what ravens lost it will be interesting the Texans will only get better tbh.
Nvidia reference? Didn't know Mike T was based.
I know about that stock since 2017 it was a penny stock
Mike T on the Jordan Love boat. Go, Pack, go!
Mike t has never been right on anything
@@123shoshan no. There's a reason why he got fired as a GM.
The answer is Justin Herbert. Saying Jordan Love over him is straight disrespectful
Love>Herbert
Bruh Herbert has literally done nothing in the league and blew a 30 point lead in his only playoff game, I would take 9 QB’s over him
Brock purdy also won a 2 playoff games as a rookie
purdy is the obvious answer in this debate
Yeah and he has 5 all pro players on offense alone not even mentioning that defense... he was giffted a great team around him. Most QBs with that kind of talent around them would perform the same way.
@@corbindavis1219in what debate because they no picking Purdy over them in a draft, that's why nobody brought him up
Cj is the new nfl player and quarterback that every kid can learn from he is very special and a great human being. He changed this organization and brought love for football in Houston and in the NFL. Amen to that .
Jordan Love glazing is crazy. He played great for half the season and now all of a sudden he’s the GOAT.
The more Mike T talks the more he embarrasses himself
thats why he got fired
He ain’t embarrassed about anything. That implies he feels shame in some way. I assure you, he don’t know what the F that even is.
Mahomes is so good that he’s been promoted out of these discussions.
Behind Mahomes, Lamar is by far the most accomplished, Allen is probably the best eye-test wise, and Burrow is the most accurate and clutch. The problem is, Mahomes is better than each of them at their strongest aspect.
Pat not a better runner then Lamar lmao you had me until you said that 😂
@@MrFrankiejay23 I meant in terms of the aspects I mentioned. Yes Lamar is a better runner.
@@MrFrankiejay23keep the running I’ll take mahomes winning rings an not choking in the playoffs lol
Burrow is the only one who’s beat mahones
@@rodneytillis6358 once an lost the Super Bowl mahomes beat him an win 3 superbowls see the difference ? Lol how long you Bengal fans gonna ride that
The Good thing is that Texans-Packers will play each other this year so we will see who wins the game.
Thank you somebody smart out of all these comments 😂 Packers will dominate
@@gdiZzy1Dumb comment. A QB can outplay the other and still lose. CJ was better than Jordan as a rookie and Jordan had years to learn behind aaron 😂
@@captainyami4605 While Jordan did had years to learn behind Aaron Rodgers - He was able to develop with young receivers and they will grow together the key is going to be the offensive line.
CJ Stroud and Demeco Ryans did a outstanding job of turning around the Houston Franchise that went through a lot of issues.
I'm from the Houston area but a Packer fan as well so it will be fun to see how they will do this season.
@@gdiZzy1 It will be a close game for sure but hopefully Packers win.
That actually proves nothing , what if the other defense is better, the QBs aren't going 1 on 1 so who wins or plays better doesn't prove which qb is better , be different if it was basketball
Love is a good QB and will win because the Packers simply win...but putting him at your number 2 is a pretty good indication that ESPN needed something to talk about.
It's something about him, at times looks effortless
Besides Mahomes, there is no clear 2nd best QB in the league
😂
there’s a tier 2 list with Burrow Jackson Goff Allen and Stroud (although i’m skeptical)
Caleb Williams
@@WWG3802 kid has not played yet
@@GoatedAtNFS agree
CJ Stroud is a proven quarterback.... He's better than deshaun Watson.
Comparing him to Deshaun Watson isn't saying much bro
@@kcbd50 maybe not but Stroud already proved to me he's a better franchise QB. Watson was Cool here in Houston before those accusations and look at him in Cleveland got his money and he ain't the same
@@kelvinbirch5641 I forgot about the Houston connection. But yeah Stroud already better than him
As a Packers fan, I don’t think we’ve seen enough from either Jordan or CJ. I think they will both have great careers but at THIS point, I think it’s hard to say that one is better than the other.
Bro won a playoff game as a rookie
Disagree as a Packers fan we seen more than enough he is Rodgers 2.0 I don't get people you saw what's needed to be seen HE CAN THROW THE BALL!! SIMPLE any throw
@@skywalker2759They Both won a Playoff game still
@@gdiZzy1 I’m not saying Jordan isn’t good I’m saying we can’t say yet which one better than the other between him and CJ
@@skywalker2759 yeah but winning playoff games start to mean less and less as times goes. Just ask Rodgers
It’s the fact we have to exclude Mahomes from these conversations, Mahomes the goat !!!!!
Not yet bro 😁
@@TheMegatron673 he's not even close to brady these mahomes fans are delusional lol
@@getbrainseeds It's like every team that faces the chiefs in the playoffs fold like cheap tents. Lamar jackson forgot how to use his legs, the bills lose against the chiefs as usual.
2 years and the disrespect to brock purdy is crazy . Ilove cj strout amd jordan love but. What purdy did in his first 2 year should make him top 5 in the league
Lamar, Burrow, Allen, Stroud in that order for me
Nah Joe last just because his injuries
@@bigboy6593 Lamer the African quiter Jackson should be last because everyone knows he folds like a lawn chair 🤨🚬
@@goodnightmunchiewhat about Allen? And don’t be white
@@goodnightmunchie stop racist
@@goodnightmunchie I mean Allen folds every year to mahomes and Joe has had his leg and arm folded like a fitted sheet.
Lemarvolus “Action” Jackson can we stop being disingenuous . He’s one of the only QBs in the league with a MVP 4th best win percentage of all time
U know ball
in a redraft today? Cant do it with his age and potential durability/longevity concerns of his style of play. Same reason Burrow isnt in this conversation.
@@Adam-xe5xm the difference is Lamar had a better win percentage with significantly less on offense. He missed the end of 3 seasons (1 dosent really count because they sat him year before last) what other QB in the league is asked to do as much as Lamar. The only guy you can say is DEFINITELY better then him is Patrick Mahomes everyone else literally everyone else is fighting to see who comes in third because it’s a closer gap from Lamar To Mahomes then Mahomes and any QB playing rn
@@ChrisRoyster-o4y i dont think you understand the premise here. This his age, play style and injury history are you taking Lamar for the next 10 years? Of all the top qbs he's the one i expect to regress the most based off his play style
@@Adam-xe5xm his winning is the reason you would. Are there any active Qbs rn with a better win percentage if u have ti bring up the greatest QB if all time that’s not an argument. 2 be hasn’t gotten injured because of his play style he got injured in the pocket every time he got hurt. He is only 26 what do you mean ?
Brock Prudy
Stephen a missing the point. Jordan love had more yards and more touchdowns last year. Also Jordan love played the 9ers tough if not for a couple missed throws packers would have won that game. CJ got blown out vs the ravens. CJ stroud is a beast though and will only become greater but I’m taking Love
I wouldn’t extend any of them. One year doesn’t make a star.
Why would u extend CJ he got 3 more years before that's even a discussion, lol he's ok the 2nd year of his rookie contract
Gimme Stroud 😤
Edit: Excluding the more older QBs, Lamar, burrow, Allen, etc
Real ones know it’s Justin Herbert
real gullible ones...
@@OhYeeeeaaahhhhwe got a little badass over here
Justin Herbert with his 0 playoff wins 😂😂😂😂
I don't want to hear nothing about no lamar Jackson or dak Prescott. Okay regular season warriors 😂 can't win a playoff game at ALL 💯
I love when SAS's puberty voice comes out