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My bad y'all. I was complaining about the loss/judges but I realize now I absolutely lost round 2. I was debating who was easier to build around, and so I brought up marketability, whos been better historically etc. Now I'm realizing the debate was who is better. No one's fault but my own. The notes clearly say the topic. I have no idea why I read it as something else. L reading. Good win Haize
@PENSARE YOU GOT DESTROYED BY MARZ JUST LIKE WHEN LOW CAME UP AND EMBARRASSED YOU ON OX CHANNEL. YOU DON'T KNOW BALL LIKE YOU THINK YOU DO. I WOULD DESTROY YOU ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, AND ON ANY TOPIC.
I’ve been in these comments hating you for earlier things I’ve seen… but i will say this was your best debate I’ve seen in my opinion. And as marz said, W accountability Also your round 2 was not THAT bad.
Wait a minute... Did Pen just argue for Luka 😮. What about not being a sellout? What about your nationality? What about the war? What about the historyyyy!? 😮
yea but the relative to era point was kinda bad when relative to their era/years KD had much more spacing than the average team in the league compared to kobe who had less spacing than the average team in the league
Funny to see Pen spiral in the comments all the eventually realize he read the topic for round two wrrong and prepared to debate a different topic. Still a great debate and I had a lot of fun going against him. The PCL has been fun to experience and watch so far.
Yeah my bad. I didn't realize it until Marz said it. It was on the screen the whole time. You had the harder topic to argue and still won for sure. I do think Luka's the better player and I don't think it'd be hard to argue that. But I guess bringing up marketability and historical performances lost a ton of points for going off topic.
All Jack has to say was “Shaq seen Double Teams in the paint every time and was fouled on every play, it just depends on if the Ref wants to call it or not”
@@pensarebasketball2nd was 50/50 to me. It came down to who made a more persuasive case on valuing body of work vs. right now. Considering the topic at hand… I see why Haize got the edge there. I think the first debate was close too and came down to persuasion. You made as good a case you can make for marketing but Haize made as good a case you could make for Anthony Edward’s as a proven product. It came down to which aspect was more persuasively presented. Yall rarely clashed with similar points/ perspectives in debates. Both of yall are very well spoken and good at hitting on aspects of the game outside of the game itself. Tough call tbh.
Marz 3-0 Haize 2-1 This was such a tough battle but it came down mostly to a couple things in the last 2 rounds. Pen tried to use Lukas defense from thia year as a cherry picked positive when he used his totally of his career to support his argument for his playoff rising etc and he even demonized Haize for Cherry picking this year for SGA to support his argument. You cant have both. And Secondly some of those names he used for stars in the 90s didnt even have that big an impact on the 90s themselves like Kobe, Duncan, KG etc as they only played a few years. Very tight battle. Pirate 2-1
Duncan won a championship in the 90s. Vince became one of the most popular players in the world in 1999. What are we doing here? Kobe and Iverson were household names by 1998. KG was regarded by some as the best power forward in the world by 99. I referenced guys who were mainly Allstars. Tracy McGrady was the only guy that should be considered cherry picking since he was drafted in 97 and didn't blow up until 2001. But it's not like I said Jermaine O'Neal. Like come on now.
@pensarebasketball thank you. The 90s was a whole decade. 10 years. You don't get to use 1-3 Years for most of these guys and then absorb the rest of their impact from the 2000s. Do Trae Young and Luka then count for 2010s? Come on now. But I get it. it's you, you have to vouche for yourself, but that's my reasoning.
Penn losing in round 1 of the playoffs was definitely shocking. I personally thought he won the second topic of Luka vs SGA. But hey, judges heard "SGA is a two-way player" and picked Haize. I was even more surprised to hear that Casual got swept. I at least thought he should've comfortably won the third topic of the 07' Suns vs 18' Rockets. PC y'all gotta name drop the judges and stop hiding them, not just for the viewers but the PCL debaters too.
I think pen lost the luka sga one cos he was bringing up lukas career when the question was right now. and then him saying anything remotely positive ab his defense didnt help (not saying i think he lost)
@@MarzTalksSportsit matters to bring up Luka's career because it sets a baseline. It also matters that I'm using the argument for career for a guy who is a full 18 months younger than the other guy. This isn't like me using career to explain why Kevin Durant is better than Luka. It's completely stupid. Luka had bad teams he carried to the finals. The argument was who was better to build around. Not who is the better player. There isn't a GM on earth who chooses SGA over Luka. In fact, it there is one, name em.
@@pensarebasketball even if i agree w all that im just saying why i think the judges went against u in that round,and if that was the question the caption at the bottom was misleading
@@MarzTalksSports I get it. But we shouldn't be penalizing debaters for knowing more about the topic than the judges. Luka was a genuinely half decent defender last year after being a pylon for most of his career. Haize mentioned Defensive Box Plus Minus. Luka has a higher DBPM over the past 3 years than Shai. He had a higher BPM and VORP last year on a worse team. I dunno man. This one's not gonna sit right with me. I now empathize even more with all those debates you won but lost the chat vote.
If you’re going up against a better debater you need to pick sides that are easier for you to have a chance. Jack chose sides they were harder against a better debater.
Ngl Casual has come a long way but Pirate clearly won. I’m still watching their battle as we speak and you can’t convince me Pirate didn’t sweep on the Kobe vs KD debate. Casual should’ve brought up how Kobe thrived in physicality and playing with less space BUT HE DIDNT!! And even if you just used Kobe’s prime years KD STILL clears in relative efficiency, ppg average, and did it next to multiple scorers that demanded the ball. Kobe blamed Shaq for not getting enough shine and having to share the ball with him. Casual made a point that supported Pirate by saying KD played with other scorers. He had to thrive with Westbrook, Steph, Harden, AND Kyrie and did it flawlessly
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My bad y'all. I was complaining about the loss/judges but I realize now I absolutely lost round 2.
I was debating who was easier to build around, and so I brought up marketability, whos been better historically etc.
Now I'm realizing the debate was who is better. No one's fault but my own. The notes clearly say the topic. I have no idea why I read it as something else.
L reading. Good win Haize
W accountability
@PENSARE YOU GOT DESTROYED BY MARZ JUST LIKE WHEN LOW CAME UP AND EMBARRASSED YOU ON OX CHANNEL. YOU DON'T KNOW BALL LIKE YOU THINK YOU DO. I WOULD DESTROY YOU ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, AND ON ANY TOPIC.
I’ve been in these comments hating you for earlier things I’ve seen… but i will say this was your best debate I’ve seen in my opinion. And as marz said, W accountability
Also your round 2 was not THAT bad.
No way Casual got swept. I personally had him winning 2 of the topics
a lot of the time Marz made better points for Jack's side than Jack did
Wait a minute... Did Pen just argue for Luka 😮.
What about not being a sellout? What about your nationality? What about the war? What about the historyyyy!? 😮
“KD's got more scoring titles than seasons he's took over 20 shots” is a fucking bar lmao
yea but the relative to era point was kinda bad when relative to their era/years KD had much more spacing than the average team in the league compared to kobe who had less spacing than the average team in the league
@@Tjaybndz KD's spacing in OKC was horrendous and most games of the Nets since he never really played with Harden and Ky
Nah jack is hilarious 😂😂😂 how he turn ja morant vs jb about CELTICS ????😂😂😂😂
you mean 2 streams and 5hrs of NBA2k to prepare Marz🤣
Preparation is preparation
Jack cote got jumped by Marz and the WiFi
Marz was nervous from the aura
@@Archburner can u blame me
@@MarzTalksSportsits not even his final form
Funny to see Pen spiral in the comments all the eventually realize he read the topic for round two wrrong and prepared to debate a different topic.
Still a great debate and I had a lot of fun going against him.
The PCL has been fun to experience and watch so far.
Yeah my bad. I didn't realize it until Marz said it. It was on the screen the whole time. You had the harder topic to argue and still won for sure.
I do think Luka's the better player and I don't think it'd be hard to argue that. But I guess bringing up marketability and historical performances lost a ton of points for going off topic.
Jack gotta be trolling man wtf was that
Lowkey was better than I expected from him
He’s not good bro. He’s a kid. I think the more he really learns the game he’ll be much better though. His on Colin Cowherd watch rn though
😭😂😂😭😭😂he was a 16th seed
Good day of debates.
All Jack has to say was “Shaq seen Double Teams in the paint every time and was fouled on every play, it just depends on if the Ref wants to call it or not”
Marz
Haize
Pirate.
This luka is a versatile defender is definitely a take
Marz 3-0 (no words needed)
Haize 2-1 (just! good job ✏️)
Casual 3-0 (Vaper tax is real)
Name the judges. Thanks. 🙏🙏
Haize had a great debate don't act like you got robbed. You did well too and he just got the edge
✏️✏️✏️ back to his loser ways lmfao
@@Luciandl1 I won the first 2 debates clear. I lost my edge in the third. Losing an at best 50:50 performance 2-7 is insane.
@@pensarebasketball2nd was 50/50 to me. It came down to who made a more persuasive case on valuing body of work vs. right now. Considering the topic at hand… I see why Haize got the edge there. I think the first debate was close too and came down to persuasion. You made as good a case you can make for marketing but Haize made as good a case you could make for Anthony Edward’s as a proven product. It came down to which aspect was more persuasively presented. Yall rarely clashed with similar points/ perspectives in debates. Both of yall are very well spoken and good at hitting on aspects of the game outside of the game itself. Tough call tbh.
@@pensarebasketballI agree that 2-7 is crazy though. I felt like every debate was close
Marz 3-0
Haize 2-1 This was such a tough battle but it came down mostly to a couple things in the last 2 rounds. Pen tried to use Lukas defense from thia year as a cherry picked positive when he used his totally of his career to support his argument for his playoff rising etc and he even demonized Haize for Cherry picking this year for SGA to support his argument. You cant have both.
And Secondly some of those names he used for stars in the 90s didnt even have that big an impact on the 90s themselves like Kobe, Duncan, KG etc as they only played a few years.
Very tight battle.
Pirate 2-1
Duncan won a championship in the 90s. Vince became one of the most popular players in the world in 1999. What are we doing here? Kobe and Iverson were household names by 1998. KG was regarded by some as the best power forward in the world by 99. I referenced guys who were mainly Allstars. Tracy McGrady was the only guy that should be considered cherry picking since he was drafted in 97 and didn't blow up until 2001.
But it's not like I said Jermaine O'Neal. Like come on now.
@pensarebasketball thank you. The 90s was a whole decade. 10 years. You don't get to use 1-3 Years for most of these guys and then absorb the rest of their impact from the 2000s. Do Trae Young and Luka then count for 2010s? Come on now. But I get it. it's you, you have to vouche for yourself, but that's my reasoning.
Jack had to face himself Marz and his wifi
Jack did well in the 3rd debate. He focused on comparing the two players instead of going off topic. He made a great case for Shaq too.
I agree
I got swept 💔
You did great 👍👍
@@pensarebasketball Thanks Pen
@@piratemccall Yessir you’re really knowledgeable. Go win it all Pirate
You and Pirate were my dark horses coming in. Unfortunate it had to end this way.
I thought pen should’ve won 2-1 honestly great debates except the first one lol
yoooo wtf
Ticket vs chill surprise battle on the panel tomorrow???
Damn. I see why buddy was the 16th seed.
I’m the only person who had pen winning the first 2 rounds?
I have him winning the first for sure
Penn losing in round 1 of the playoffs was definitely shocking. I personally thought he won the second topic of Luka vs SGA. But hey, judges heard "SGA is a two-way player" and picked Haize. I was even more surprised to hear that Casual got swept. I at least thought he should've comfortably won the third topic of the 07' Suns vs 18' Rockets. PC y'all gotta name drop the judges and stop hiding them, not just for the viewers but the PCL debaters too.
I think pen lost the luka sga one cos he was bringing up lukas career when the question was right now. and then him saying anything remotely positive ab his defense didnt help (not saying i think he lost)
@@MarzTalksSportsit matters to bring up Luka's career because it sets a baseline.
It also matters that I'm using the argument for career for a guy who is a full 18 months younger than the other guy.
This isn't like me using career to explain why Kevin Durant is better than Luka.
It's completely stupid. Luka had bad teams he carried to the finals. The argument was who was better to build around. Not who is the better player.
There isn't a GM on earth who chooses SGA over Luka. In fact, it there is one, name em.
@@pensarebasketball even if i agree w all that im just saying why i think the judges went against u in that round,and if that was the question the caption at the bottom was misleading
@@MarzTalksSports I get it. But we shouldn't be penalizing debaters for knowing more about the topic than the judges.
Luka was a genuinely half decent defender last year after being a pylon for most of his career. Haize mentioned Defensive Box Plus Minus. Luka has a higher DBPM over the past 3 years than Shai. He had a higher BPM and VORP last year on a worse team.
I dunno man. This one's not gonna sit right with me. I now empathize even more with all those debates you won but lost the chat vote.
@@pensarebasketball i advocated for the judges explaining their rationales but 🤷♂️
Ronald McDonald hosted the hell out of this debate
Jack 3 0
Pen 2 1
Pirate 3 0
W
Mars opponent was terrible
Marz 3-0
Pen 2-1
Pirate 2-1
W Chill Town for Advancing
saying sga is better than luka should be a automatic L
If you’re going up against a better debater you need to pick sides that are easier for you to have a chance. Jack chose sides they were harder against a better debater.
I thought pen won the first 2 topics easy , is everybody watching the same thing?
Marz 3-0
Haize 2-1
Casual 3-0
Very interesting to say the least
Robbery isn't interesting. It's a crime.
@@pensarebasketball 🤐
@@piratemccall i had you winning the KD and Off ball ones forsure the suns rockets one was closer,for the sake of argument ill say 2-1
@@ishowspeedplug2845 jack a serious competitor aint nun embarrassing
@@piratemccall GET BACK IN THE CAR
Jack is a troll has to
Lmfaooo swept? Like Marz said the judges need explain they answers casual def won the last round
Got haze up 2-0 on pen
Feel like pen got lay ups and it made his arguments kinda lazy,
marz pen pirate
Penn got robbed
Pen got robbed
This show is a joke
How explain?
@@MOE__cant convince me casual got SWEPT by pirate
@@TJones4L he didn’t casual clearly won despite what the judges think
The shit been favoritism that’s y marz always win
Ngl Casual has come a long way but Pirate clearly won. I’m still watching their battle as we speak and you can’t convince me Pirate didn’t sweep on the Kobe vs KD debate. Casual should’ve brought up how Kobe thrived in physicality and playing with less space BUT HE DIDNT!! And even if you just used Kobe’s prime years KD STILL clears in relative efficiency, ppg average, and did it next to multiple scorers that demanded the ball. Kobe blamed Shaq for not getting enough shine and having to share the ball with him. Casual made a point that supported Pirate by saying KD played with other scorers. He had to thrive with Westbrook, Steph, Harden, AND Kyrie and did it flawlessly