i am appalled that dr. gay was not not offered a comfortable chair for her physique. this could have needlessly become an embarrassing situation. shame on the sponsor. :(
Automatically i stopped listening to Nguyen when he started to use metaphors about potato chips and fattening the mind. Hello? Somehow he lost my empathy when he refused to exercise his own.
@@MrRandominternetname Not to mention flexing that he has a PhD and doesn't teach creative writing bc it would be 'blind leading the blind'. Roxane has a PhD too so he needs to chill
I am troubled by Roxane's response to the woman who brought up the question about the venue for the Deplorable Ball vs free speech. Anyone else? While I agree with her 'ideals' of standing by our convictions vs business interests, I wonder how she would square that opinion with those homophobic businesses that want to refuse access to gay people? I'm as liberal as one can be, but her point that business owners should refuse to offer their services to those who offend them seems to be a case of having things both ways. How do we as liberals tell that woman representing the venue, that people we collectively may feel are harmful have to be turned away but then tell the other side they are wrong for wanting to do what they sadly feel is the same thing? Hypocrisy does nothing to win over our opponents, in fact it just weakens our arguments altogether. I've been searching for a year now to find a way to open a dialogue with Trump supporters and I just get so frustrated when the response is, "That's fake news." There's nowhere to go from there and I think that's what Roxane's comment did as well. It just shut down the discussion. Did Roxane have a perfect right to say what she said? You bet! But whether you think that was an appropriate response depends on what she was trying to accomplish. Change someone's mind or embarrass and shame them until no further discussion was possible? Again, depends on your goal. Discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is thankfully against the law which is, of course, the difference between the two scenarios. I'm not disputing that. My problem with Roxane's reply is that it was made very clear she felt the woman was wrong for allowing her venue to be used by those she considers harmful. That is not discussing free speech that is shaming and gets us nowhere. I think a more appropriate reply would be that each business must go with their conscience but understand that the consequences, such as protestors at your venue, is a legal remedy that will continue to be used by those of us who disagree with the exclusionary policies of this administration.
Her answer was quite clear in salient in regard to private businesses and free speech. It's a very privileged stance to say "all voices should be heard" even deplorables even if they are toxic, and dangerous. and guess their POV aren't new and interesting. It's the same old hateful rhetoric of yesteryear. White liberals give platforms to the detriment of marginalized people while claiming allyship. Pfft! Arguing, debating or defending our humanity is NOT difference of opinion. You're one of those liberals who claim allyship but believes punching a Nazi in the face is a step too far. Check your privilege. Keep your allyship.
Pia, you were so busy trying to insult me that you missed my points. She shut down the conversation, left no room to discuss anything. That get's us nowhere. The second point you missed was that free speech can not be used hypocritically, that also gets us nowhere. If you'd like to actually debate, try again and stay on topic. If you just want to toss out platitudes, move onto someone else. It doesn't work with me. Btw, you've no idea what my race is, so perhaps it's better to actually know a person before accusing them of privilege and allyship.
Oh god, you don't know how to read do you? You clearly were just itching to say that to ANYONE who had anything remotely related to say whether it applied or not.
@ the silence probably happened because P wasn't replied to directly, notice how when someone is directly replied to, their name is highlighted in blue, as you can see with your TH-cam name in my reply
I enjoyed this, especially as both authors warmed up to each other.
ROXANE KILLED IT, DUH.
shame on everyone in attendance who obviously did not care enough to right the situation.
23:55 Roxane's little face
''The voice shifts depending upon the audience.'' Weird
@4:24 wtf did he just say???!
i am appalled that dr. gay was not not offered a comfortable chair for her physique. this could have needlessly become an embarrassing situation. shame on the sponsor. :(
T Clark so, it is her problem that she was raped as a little girl and started to eat in order to be protected because no one else did?
Did you catch the reference made to waistlines? ODD🤔
Automatically i stopped listening to Nguyen when he started to use metaphors about potato chips and fattening the mind. Hello? Somehow he lost my empathy when he refused to exercise his own.
Helen Lauer that was just humor. don’t take it so seriously.
Definitely seemed like he was taking pot shots at Roxane.
@@MrRandominternetname Not to mention flexing that he has a PhD and doesn't teach creative writing bc it would be 'blind leading the blind'. Roxane has a PhD too so he needs to chill
Insanity.
I am troubled by Roxane's response to the woman who brought up the question about the venue for the Deplorable Ball vs free speech. Anyone else?
While I agree with her 'ideals' of standing by our convictions vs business interests, I wonder how she would square that opinion with those homophobic businesses that want to refuse access to gay people?
I'm as liberal as one can be, but her point that business owners should refuse to offer their services to those who offend them seems to be a case of having things both ways. How do we as liberals tell that woman representing the venue, that people we collectively may feel are harmful have to be turned away but then tell the other side they are wrong for wanting to do what they sadly feel is the same thing? Hypocrisy does nothing to win over our opponents, in fact it just weakens our arguments altogether. I've been searching for a year now to find a way to open a dialogue with Trump supporters and I just get so frustrated when the response is, "That's fake news." There's nowhere to go from there and I think that's what Roxane's comment did as well. It just shut down the discussion.
Did Roxane have a perfect right to say what she said? You bet! But whether you think that was an appropriate response depends on what she was trying to accomplish. Change someone's mind or embarrass and shame them until no further discussion was possible? Again, depends on your goal.
Discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is thankfully against the law which is, of course, the difference between the two scenarios. I'm not disputing that. My problem with Roxane's reply is that it was made very clear she felt the woman was wrong for allowing her venue to be used by those she considers harmful. That is not discussing free speech that is shaming and gets us nowhere. I think a more appropriate reply would be that each business must go with their conscience but understand that the consequences, such as protestors at your venue, is a legal remedy that will continue to be used by those of us who disagree with the exclusionary policies of this administration.
Her answer was quite clear in salient in regard to private businesses and free speech. It's a very privileged stance to say "all voices should be heard" even deplorables even if they are toxic, and dangerous. and guess their POV aren't new and interesting. It's the same old hateful rhetoric of yesteryear. White liberals give platforms to the detriment of marginalized people while claiming allyship. Pfft!
Arguing, debating or defending our humanity is NOT difference of opinion. You're one of those liberals who claim allyship but believes punching a Nazi in the face is a step too far. Check your privilege. Keep your allyship.
Pia, you were so busy trying to insult me that you missed my points. She shut down the conversation, left no room to discuss anything. That get's us nowhere. The second point you missed was that free speech can not be used hypocritically, that also gets us nowhere. If you'd like to actually debate, try again and stay on topic. If you just want to toss out platitudes, move onto someone else. It doesn't work with me. Btw, you've no idea what my race is, so perhaps it's better to actually know a person before accusing them of privilege and allyship.
Oh god, you don't know how to read do you? You clearly were just itching to say that to ANYONE who had anything remotely related to say whether it applied or not.
Why troubled? The lady asked Dr. Gay her view, and Dr. Gay gave her view.
@ the silence probably happened because P wasn't replied to directly, notice how when someone is directly replied to, their name is highlighted in blue, as you can see with your TH-cam name in my reply