Starliner is in Big Trouble! NASA Finally Realized Dragon is 1000x Better
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- Starliner is in Big Trouble! NASA Finally Realized Dragon is 1000x Better
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0:00 - 0:25: Intro
0:26--3:02: Starliner Big Trouble
3:03-6:46: Will Starliner ensure the safety?
6:47-8:39: Boeing should learn from SpaceX.
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Starliner is in Big Trouble! NASA Finally Realized Dragon is 1000x Better
Despite the grandiose advertising and boasting by NASA, ULA, and Boeing, the scheduled launch of the Starliner earlier this month faced yet another delay.
Honestly, I don't want to criticize the Starliner, but its recent new delay is truly unacceptable.
In fact, there were warnings about the Starliner spacecraft, but did NASA and Boeing negligently overlook them?
What exactly happened with this expensive spacecraft?
Let's find out on today's episode of Alpha Tech:
Starliner is in Big Trouble! NASA Finally Realized Dragon is 1000x Better
After the initial delay caused by a faulty valve on the Atlas V rocket, officials from NASA, Boeing, and ULA had scheduled the launch for later this week, on May 17.
But now that's no longer the plan.
Teams detected a small helium leak in the Starliner's service module and have pushed the target date back an additional four days. This means that the first crewed launch of Boeing's Starliner spacecraft, which is years behind schedule and over budget by more than $1.4 billion, will not take place before next Tuesday, May 21.
So what is the problem with Starliner?
Starliner is in Big Trouble! NASA Finally Realized Dragon is 1000x Better
In fact, during the first delay aside from the valve issue on the Atlas V rocket, engineers discovered an unrelated helium leak in Starliner's propellant pressurization system. At that time, they believed it was still within the safety limits of the flight.
However, after the Atlas V and Starliner were rolled back to the VIF for the oxygen valve replacement, managers decided to take a closer look at the helium issue. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Everytime I hear about another Starliner setback, I have flashbacks to the old tv show, Lost in Space. With the robot, with it's arms flailing, saying Danger Will Robinson, Danger!! You couldn't pay me enough to be a passenger on the first crewed launch for this thing!
couldn't pay me enough to ride on ANY product made by Boing these days
Last I heard Millennium Falcon was still up there
I would not get on that bird for a billion dollars.
Does make you wonder what they're offering the two PDBs that are strapping in.
It should be crewed by the lead engineers first.
Advise to prospective crew;- Call in sick!
No kidding. That is something to really consider with all these mishapsm
They can't even get airplanes right,no way would I get on this if I was an astronaut!
Back in 1967 Gus Grissom crew commander of Apollo 1 was photographed holding a lemon over the command module.
It killed him , Ed White and Roger Chaffee months later during a fully pressurized capsule launch pad static test when a cabin fire erupted.
A full pressure pure oxygen environment - with no emergency exit.
NASA is a bureaucratic nightmare. I worked there for 10 years as a contractor. Just look at who is the current administrator, Bill Nelson (Political Science/politician). Previously, there was Jim Bridenstine (Naval Aviator), Charles Bolden (Naval Academy), Michael Griffen (Physics/Aeronautical Engineering), Daniel Golden (Mechanical Engineering), to name a few. The Constellation program, the successor to the Shuttle, was cancelled for political reasons. You may not know this, but one engineer refused to sign off on a Shuttle launch because the temperature violated launch criteria. He was fired for his refusal. His manager gave the go-ahead to launch Challenger.
When I was working at SpaceX in ~2016, the general feeling about the Starliner development was that it was a jobs program for existing engineering teams at Boeing/Lockheed. There was a serious lack of foresight and planning. Looks like that was not far off.
It’s only a coincidence that two whistle blowers from Boeing are not among the living now.
MASH 4077
"Suicide is Painless" FOR THE BOEING ASSASINS?
Yez as was told in the bible you can silence the messenger but not the thrue, it will leak out.
Since BOEING is well known to pinch EVERY NICKLE (gotta make those stockholders some more profit ya know) on everything they do (to the determent of quality and safety), I can't believe they can find any human willing to ride in this box of bandaids.
Dragon - Jobs depend on it's success
Starliner - Government job security... or is it?
SPACEX IS WILDLY AHEAD.....
At this point it would be quicker to get an Apollo capsule out of a museau and launching that. Probably cheaper too.
I know nothing about building a rocket but I am a mechanic and I have experience with building things etc. How can you not figure out how to have a totally leak-proof system on a brand new rocket? They are supposed to have some of the best engineers in the world so it is laughable that they actually had the rocket on the launch pad and still had a leak in the helium system.
My thoughts too. What exactly more than a whole lot of non faulty valves is the hardware complexity of such a capsule? Where are they spending all the money on?
Boeing is old. The company may not be living in the past, but it is living on the past, on their reputation, earned over decades of excellence. This has lulled them into a sense of superiority and allowed accountants to take control. They've lost their "edge" as evidenced by their problems with passenger aircraft of late.
I agree Boeing and NASA need to get back to the operative engineer's running the show
I think guaranteed money from Sen Shelby (former head of appropriations) made them complacent to the point of insanity.
You have no idea how many billions of dollars DARPA funnels into Boeing's coffers. Honestly it's naive to think that just because they don't make passenger Jets anymore that they're fading.
@@michaelglover9214 Simply receiving billions in DARPA handouts does nothing to affect Boeing's overall corporate culture. Problems turning out an existing product (passenger aircraft) indicate, to me, that development of a completely different and far more technically difficult product (spacecraft) will also be rife with problems.
@@raydunn2582 If you think it matters what products they produce clearly you don't know the military industrial complex. It doesn't matter if the products they create are useful when they're paying $20,000 for a toilet seat.
Who would’ve thought that modern day Boeing couldn’t be trusted to build a capsule?
Latest word is that the launch is now "delayed indefinitely," with no word on when or if another attempt will be made. Sounds like they found a lot more than a "small helium leak" to me.
Agreed. Too many external contractors, too many shareholder returns.
Where do the taxpayers go to get a refund from Boeing’s failures to deliver on their contract?
There is no way I would ride that lemon into space!
Chris Ferguson is reportedly still out getting milk and cigarettes.
@@jtjames79 🤣
"Overall it can be said that all these mistakes stem from Boeing's management, production organization and research methods..." That pretty much describes Boeing in a nutshell.
Good Morning! With all the foolishness surrounding Starliner. It's hard not to criticize the Starliner debacle. The true problem with Boeing starts from the top. And will continue. The problems with Boeing is way outside of the Starliner project. Pull the plug. This is way beyond stupid. With all the ongoing problems with Boeing. Which has really come to the surface. The ongoing problems with Starliner is only what we see on the surface. Safety first. How can they ensure anything? Not tracking any other issues. Are you serious? You have to go over the entire ship. Where is the common sense? So if ValveTech throughs out a red flag on there own product. Why isn't ULA, Boeing, Aerojet and NASA listening? Not one bit of this makes any sense at all. You're putting people live at risk. The truth better come out. What a Great Episode. Thank for exposing the Truth. Have a Great Day my Friend.
Not another taxpayer penny to Boeing .
You would have to change all of Congress' mind to stop our tax money from going to Boeing.
We need more than one supplier..
It’s like a car manufacturing.
One supplier might have a $50,000 car, designed with latest tech, works really well, delivers everything needed and is reliable.
The other supplier has a $5,000,000 car, looks like it’s from the 60’s , breaks down as soon as you leave the shop, and people say a prayer before starting the ignition.
Umm.. I think we can live with one supplier..
It used to be "if it ain't Boeing it ain't flying"... Now it's become "if it is Boeing it ain't flying"!
Actually the line was “If it’s not a Boeing, I’m not going”. Now it should be “If it’s Boeing, it’s not going”.
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@@magran17
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hate to say it - but I still half expect the Starliner mission to end at some point with a vehicular loss. They really should do another mission without humans on board to show they can fly it safely without risking human life - something they still haven't done; they're just accepting the risk because of cost and how far behind they are. Still hoping for the best for them.
To quote Kenny Rogers, you gotta know when to fold'em.!
All that Helium leak is a red herring, they bought Starliner back to make sure that the door had all its bolts 😀😀😀😀
How'd you feel if you were one of the astronauts that was to sit on top of that candle?
Recently, Boeing has been creating very reliable aircraft that meet very high standards. What could go wrong with a spaceship?
True innovation. Convertible commercial airplanes. Who would have thought...
It's SpaceX or I ain't going
SpaceX's contract will be cancelled or the company sold off in less than 3 years
@@tomservo5007You must be really butt hurt to be negatively responding to every positive SpaceX comment lol
@@Tevon93 SpaceX is actively ruining astronomy with their garbage (and possibly kicking off a Kessler Syndrome scenario), and will never make that much of a profit (if any). That and wasting my tax money on a flawed design and cheering when it blows up. NASA partnering up with SpaceX was a huge mistake
@@tomservo5007and yet, they are only human launch provider in the US and the largest commercial space lauch provider in the world. Also what about SLS that was almost 20 years in the making (in one way or another), utilizes 70s tech, is ridiculously expensive to fly and had only one test flight?
I reminder to NASA:
APOLLO 1, CHALLENGER, COLUMBIA
Dont repeat history again by relying on crossed fingers and rabbits feet.
Get it absolutely right before you risk astronauts lives on a wing and a prayer.
NASA=Need Another Seven Astronauts. Name still remains true
Technically, they are getting it absolutely right. The launch team is being cautious and not taking chances, and thus delaying the launch.
....and yet, Starliner is delayed yet....again. Indefinitely.
Think about this; all of the people working for NASA, Boeing, and Star Liner, are all people that SpaceX didn't want.
With the amazing reliability of SpaceX Falcons why do we want anyone else doing this work. SpaceX has set the bar.
Let's call it The Tax Liner!❤
DEI is scuttling Boeing: Boeing = BUDLIGHT 2.0
Boeing, how did such a main stream top drawer company become such an industry joke? It is really sad.
well, new management took over and for more profits removed 70% of all quality gates ... making "hope for the best" Boeings main strategy when it comes to quality
Greed. Prioritizing the performance of stock for the board over the performance and quality of their products for the customers always leads to decline.
frontline did a documentary on the subject
tax cuts = stock buy back, not r & d.
It all started when they bought McDonnell Douglass. It’s been a steady downward spiral ever since.
I’m a service technician.
Re-torquing a few bolts is not the correct approach to a leaking component.
Fix it right the first time
Built with DEI and NOT with the best and smartest engineers….those engineers work at SPACE X!
Breaking: "Boeing Ending Its Partnership With Flex Seal"....BB....
Meanwhile, SpaceX continues on its missions...
So, they knew they had a helium leak and decided to fly anyway? After they knew the flight was going to be delayed then they decided they would take that time to also fix the helium leak. According to this video, there was a way to test the parameters of the leak prior to the launch. I wonder if they did that earlier as well? I also wonder if the astronauts were informed of any of this? The inevitable comes to mind. Fly safely and return.
Boing: where quality escapes and ruin resides.
The problem is DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, and the culture of WOKE and Empowerment in Boeing.
they can't even keep a plane in the air these days...
That's the result when diversity, equity, and inclusion is more important than quality.
OK, you beat me to the comment! Plus a lot of affirmative action!
As long as it has cup-holders.
NASA needs to cancel starliner
"Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for attending this briefing on the Starliner mission.
"As you know, we've had a few, well, 'issues' along the way which have caused us to postpone the launch time after time after time, prompting one of the astronauts to throw very heavy objects at me.
"One of those objects is called a 'Reaction Control System Thruster,' and it really hurts when it hits you in the head. Suni Williams has quite an arm on her. I'll open the floor for questions now."
"When will Starliner launch?"
"May 21st."
"No, I mean for Real-Real, not for Play-Play."
"October 11th."
"Of which year?"
"2025. Next question..."
The fact that both options are not much bigger than Apollo says a lot about how we feel about the human side of these missions. Going to cram 3-4 people into capsule no bigger than a small bathroom for 2-3 weeks is pathetic.
Lets think about the fact with all the problems, ignored warnings and God knows what else, they want to put people on this flight? Really!? Are they nuts?
No human is going into space.✅ The poor animals, who knows.
No willing, or sober, human rather, has ever been into space.
They sure need to do a R&R.
They should Remove the Starliner for a Dragon.
That thing looks like it was designed by a committee
Boeings quality control went down the tubes after they merged with mcdonell douglas.
Actually, it started a bit earlier when Philip Condit became CEO and went on a massive restructuring of Boeing. McDonnell Douglas had it's own financial issues leading to the merger, but MD was essentially swallowed by Boeing. Moving the headquarters to Chicago was the work of Condit. The Boeing board even tried to oust him. MD was a victim of the merger and not the cause of Boeings problems. Condit changed the corporate culture of Boeing. That is what hurt it the most along with moving from Washington.
In reality, Condit was responsible for destroying two great companies. It was all driven by the rise of Airbus and the desire to eat their lunch. It failed miserably.
Give my tax dollars to SpaceX.
10 times the bang for my buck.
The company that brought you the 737 Max. No surprise. Nasa's verdict. "The passengers would not survive the flight." Rockwell could have done it.
Since it’s a fixed price contract, not flying could be a default. Depending on the language, they could have to return the $4.2B.
They only us the intire rocket one time??? Makes no sense to me unless you just want to throw Billions of dollars away???
They dont care. Taxpayers pay for new rocket.
Boeing is such an epic failure of a Company that the only thing I find shocking about any of this would be the fact a human would voluntarily ride on top of one of those things. You would have to be insane to do that.
Well well well.... It appears that NASA hasn't learned anything from the disasters in the space shuttle program. The culture hasn't changed a bit! I pray for the astronauts! 🙏
The problem is Boeing has been contracting parts to 3rd parties instead of inhouse. What needs to be replaced is the entire engineering team responsible for Starliner.
and LIVING PEOPLE are supposed to depend on this thing ???? starting to follow the Apollo 1 mess ....cannot end well
Yeah!
Thank you for your comment!
I just hope and prey this flight does not end in tragedy but with all the problems and failures with Starliner there is a very real danger it will. The Soviets always relied on their Soyuz to ferry their cosmonauts to the ISS and the Russians have no need for another spacecraft type. The Crew Dragon has proved very safe and reliable and therefore NASA can continue using that without the need for a second spacecraft type. If a disaster does occur, then forget about returning to the Moon with Arthemis, let alone going on to Mars. And in the event of a tragedy, the inquiry board will say “Despite all the warnings about a potential failure of Starliner, NASA decided to launch it anyway”.
This sounds familiar? Well, the Challenger inquiry board said “ in spite of warnings about the o rings not working in cold weather, NASA decided to launch the shuttle anyway”.
I would not want to be part of that crew. Waiting for the next trip would be wise.
Send this one up as another uncrewed mission to verify its viability.
They would do one or 2 non mannned flights first 😊
if...IF there had been proper and thorough inspections of boeing operations and production AND if boeing had been bearing the same timeline expectations, contractual obligations, and scrutiny to which nasa subjects other contractors, these new problems with starliner would have been avoided because boeing would have been permanently ineligible to bid for any part of Artemis (let alone any other nasa or government program) decades ago...
Boeing outsourcing everything and ending up with a substandard product. How unusual. 😄
They should change the name of the Bomb to:"Boeing LaunchSite Liner"
The FAA must have representaives at the launch site. These should be reviewing all the data and plans to confirm this rocket has flight approval, independant of what Boeing / Tori Bruno says.
Co-joining caphase has completely failed. My dad works there.
Let's face it. It's an oversized Apollo unit, that they can't even build correctly. NASA, just get an old Apollo unit, repaint it and call it new.
Once AGAIN. High level management decisions based on arrogance. It's going to cost both astronauts their lives. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
Yeah! That’s right! Thank you so much!
Hey, what's wrong with Boeing re-purposing a valve from the defective 737 Max parts bin? Brilliant and the part can be marked up 10,000 fold.
Won’t put a person on that rocket 🚀, far to many questions
Yes. NASA has an internal learning curriculum in which staff engage in monthly conversations on DEIA topics such as intersectionality and microaggressions.
Since practitioners of Intersectionality believe that group identity power dynamics determine real world outcomes and not adherence to accountability and responsibility, NASA will likely experience further delays and "accidents".
It’s no wonder NASA is in the pickle it’s in, from your reply, far to many egos and experts ALL vying for center stage.
It’s a Boeing I am not going
It’s Boeing and it’s not going.
Unfortunately,
Tori Bruno is a corporate shill for BR.
ALPHA TECH is right, there is no ownership or job coordination at BR either.
Hope they have insurance for damages caused by debris from the craft considering the parts falling off aircraft. I get nervous when Boeing aircraft fly over my home.
NASA wants to be careful, it's becoming abundantly obvious what happens to people who displease Boeing. lol 😆
The biggest problem in my opinion is that the initial problem with the ULA valve was someone had to "notice" an odd "humming" sound from the valve before the flight was scrubbed. The question that has to be asked is why was that valve not picked up routinely as faulty with the sensors on board the rocket...
Straight outta Apollo 1.
Boeing can’t get a door to stay on a plane - I wouldn’t trust them with a rocket
Recently, Boeing has been creating very reliable aircraft that meet very high standards. What could go wrong with a spaceship?
The thing is those Astronauts and Aerojet or Boeing do not have to rely on it anyhow to keep on mission. They are launching 200 of these a year without a hitch so far. But only this one is troubled and they gotta be about letting Pilots and Astronauts be in charge of the majority of the actual flight issues that they've all already specified without cause to interfere. This mission will be on track with the same Astronauts regardless of this never ending stop action on this one rocket. Several other successful liftoff pads exist
The government can't get anything right.
SpaceX pays their Engineers, and let them run the projects. Boeing pays their CEOs, PMPs, CPAs, Analysts, and Marketing people, and they run the projects to maximize profits. Retired Engineering Manager.
Boeing Can't even build a decent plane anymore !
Boeing is not what they use to be.
They need 100 Boeing MBAs and 20 committee meetings just to agree on paint color.
I have zero faith in Boeing. Hope is not a strategy, but I hope that two astronauts are safe
"Over"? Can we wait until next Tuesday?
When the Public or Government demands alterations to contracts for only nonliving package to living and non-living transport - the change up is more than a few paragraphs worth of changes in Engineering drafts and protocols. THATS THE ISSUE. Would the public demand we use Chinese Hypersonic missiles for live agents, personnel, and Station inhabitants, should we or they be forced to comply?
I’m glad SpaceX is around because without it we would have nothing no shuttle nothing and had to rely on Russians to take us up to space
SpaceX will fail as everything that Musk touches.
@@callmevoid9407he is the richest man on the planet and has the largest constellation of satellites in space. What have you accomplished?
@@callmevoid9407 lots of anger U have Did somebody touch you?
@@ryanab01 How would you call a person who promises a lot and delivers nothing: flying to Mars, hyperloop, self-driving cars, robotaxis, solar tile roof, electric semi truck, - and final achievement - cybertruck. How you call people who rob banks and become millionaires, are they successful people? He robbed all of us by false promises. And wait a bit and you will see the failure of SpaceX.
@@AuralioCabal-nl8gi Not really, I just don’t like crooks.
OPTIMISM is necessary now. Peoples lives depend on all of this, I am confident that the right decsions are being made. I have sincerely waited for this ship since 2014, a few years before the contract, but I have had faith in the idea of this ship. someone doing the hiring is the problem. GO STARLINER 💓💓🙏🙏👍👍
how is it possible that boeing had so many problems according that they participated to the APOLLO program !!!!!!! and that 50 years ago !!!!!
50 years ago, it was a different company culture -- products and product quality was everyone's common purpose, a worker could support a household on a single breadwinner, and it was a highly symbolic race to the moon, pitting communism / authoritarianism against capitalism / democracy in a proxy race. Now, the corporate culture has lost all the early warriors, and it's about shareholder value, there is no more shared drive and purpose.
"Thank You❣️"
Space X has always been better. Nasa is hoping Boeing will get more efficient and add aspects of competition and innovation. However, it still has not materialised.
When this started, I'm guessing NASA knew Boeing would be slower and more expensive, but that SpaceX was a risk of being unreliable or blowing up their astronauts. Essentially, it would cost more, but Boeing was the safe bet. But Boeing has failed in every way and I'm sure everyone involved, including Boeing, regrets that contract ever being signed.
Wish Musk had continued background development on the Red Dragon system. It's a complete capsule and lander system. Although Starship would have later made it obsolete, it could have accomplished some initial things NASA needed.
Why does it look like a b-movie prop. Strange matte painting like its made out of styrofoam.
If this is a click bait, I… You know what I dont even wanna think about it
I hope it never leaves the pad personally. You are asking for autonomously operated craft to be used for non-autonomous purposes.
The good news... NASA is hitting every one of its DEI/AA goals.
I'd LAUGH.. if this wasn't so SAD.... NASA was once GREAT....... my how the mighty have fallen.... and guys like Musk in the private sector are kicking thier azzes.....
@@Luckyrider1958 Government is basically a place where you fail upwards. Private enterprises fail and disappear. There is motive for private companies to succeed whereas the government agencies can fail, demand more money, delay, cry, promise results and still remain a thing.
@@bondgabebond4907 Sadly, you are correct!!
Unlike Space-X, Boeing has unlimited excused for failure.
Seriously??? Seems to me that SpaceX has had far more failures!! Musk just calls them successes!! Boeing has issues as a company, but we get all the details of what happen. SpaceX has Musk go out and make up some excuses and his cult members accept it!!
And before you use the line that SpaceX failures don't count because they were on "development prototypes", what do you think Starliner is???
Space X has been doing this for years, does it cheaper, but......yea, lets buy a different spacecraft that cost 10 times as much, will go way over budget and years of delays. Oh..and let's get BOEING involved
doing it cheaper , my arse
Hmmm. What happened the last time NASA ignored advice from engineers? Remember Challenger.
And Columbia - they really should have sent Columbia back on auto-pilot and sent another shuttle up to get the crew.
hindsight is always 20 20 but Dream Chaser looks like the preferred ship over Starliner
That’s right! Thank you so much!