Model Y Performance Range + Efficiency + Battery Capacity Test | The ultimate EV road tripper!
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- Kyle heads out with Brian (i1Tesla) in the brand new Model Y with less than 50 miles on it for a test of range. This is a Performance Upgrades car with the 21” wheels so we will have to test the 19” and 20” wheel offerings in the future to see how much better efficiency those cars will get. In the end of the video Kyle breaks down total battery capacity in kWh and discusses the best way to measure degradation and why it’s important to do this test when your car is new and then to compare results in the future (measuring degradation).
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DUDE! This is the very first Model Y video that isn't a straight up review. Awesome to see these cars in the hands of TH-camrs!
When doing a mileage check like this you need a route that goes to a point and returns to the start. This compensates for elevation and wind direction/speed.
Good point. Not only that but it likely will equalize any tailwind assist too.
That’s what Kyle usually does.
Hey here in 2024 Brian from I1 Tesla!!!!
Thanks for sharing Kyle. Looking forward to some more MY content from Brian and you.
Definitely can't wait for more. I am now looking more towards the Y instead of the model 3 so I will be going stock so....definitely excited. Thanks for sharing this with us both you and I1 Tesla
Excellent video, Kyle and Brian!
I LOVE these nerdy road trip videos. I hope you can get your hands on an AWD Y and do some of your crazy 1,000+ mile road trips to compare it to the 3.
Looking forward to an 100Kwh battery sometime in the future.
Great Vid, thanks! Very useful information
9:01 Larry David getting scolded in the background while supercharging his red model X
Great range test, would love to see that test in cold weather, ig Canada or MA
Great video and test, cheers Kyle and Brian! The 57kWh makes for a nice comparison point with our 2017 Bolt EV, which is about the pack size, at least in terms of comfortable use. We can get 4 mi/kWh out of the Bolt in the conditions you saw, so around 250 watt hours per mile. That's at 70mph though...punch it up to 80mph and range drops like a brick!
Be interesting to see what the most efficient Y long range can do in comparison. Keep testing and thanks again for doing the early tests we all want to see 👍
From what I can see, it is indeed a lot less efficient than a Model 3 than it was made to be here and on the tesla website. I think the EPA rating is misleading on this one and will throw a lot of people off and we will have a lot of angry folks writing forum posts. The difference between this and the 3 on this run is around 100km or 60 miles (315miles to 270 miles). The 21 inch while does make a slight difference, I can't imagine it being 60 miles on a 70mph run. I am not sure if they will ever make a RWD LR Y, but if they do, that one might do a lot better. This one is 200kg heavier from what I can see. It might be a good car, but I will still keep my 3 because of the efficiency. We will have to wait and see.
Tesla Killer Huh? I had the complete opposite reaction. My 2019 Model 3 gets around 290 Wh/mi on 19” wheels going ~75 in the summer. The fact that the Model Y (a bigger, heavier car) gets better efficiency with wheels that are 2” larger is crazy!
I’ve literally never seen my Model 3 get 270 Wh/mi cruising at 70-75mph on the highway, in fact it usually gets closer to 300 Wh/mi. Can’t even imagine how good the Y will do on the regular 20” wheels.
@@Brendon471 I don't know what you are doing or how you drive, but at 70mph I am at about 140-150Wh/km max. That is 220-240Wh/m, much like this test showed - and he had a P, but with lighter 18". I am on AWD 18" stock, but without the aero and I doubt the 19" will be much different, to be honest. I don't see it adding 20%+ more drag to the math.
Maybe you have a hilly surface or a lot of wind - but those consumptions are not normal at 86F and 70mph...Maybe you run the HVAC too inefficiently or too much weight. Might wanna check my video on the HVAC topic. I also have some screenshots of my consumption in those temperatures after a 250 miles run.
I had the pleasure of meeting Dave and Kathy at the Savannah Supercharger this morning as I charged my 2018 Model 3. You remember who they are, right? :-) When we talked, I told them I was going to pick up my Model Y on Saturday afternoon in West Palm Beach. They turned me on to your TH-cam channel in general and this video in particular. My Model Y is an exact replica of the one you tested ... down to the interior and exterior colors. Thanks for giving me some advance viewing of the car! I can't wait to get mine and I can't wait to see more of your videos!! Keep it up!
Chris Cummings Great meeting you Chris!
Can you comment on any differences in the way the Y functions as compared to the way the 3 functions? In other words, is the operation of the car essentially the same or will I need to learn a new way of operating?
10am EST today 3/21 on i1Teslas TH-cam channel - live stream AMA about Model Y on the lift! Let’s get geeky...
Would love to see the difference with the 19". Yeah cumbersome to drive but us geeks love it :)! Thanks for sharing!
AWESOME VID..........HOW DO U CHANGE THE WHEEL SIZE FROM THE ECREEN 20 TO 18?
I want a technical analysis of the heat pump cabin heater. Travel north while it's still cold!
It's an ac operating in reverse. The hot air at the back comes into the cabin instead.
you probably already thought of this and have it on the way..but id love to see a quick drag race between the model 3 performance and the model y performance.
Loads of channels already do this. I'm curious about efficiency gains from different set ups, tyres, suspension etc.
I learned something new today. 3:00 I didn't know you could dismiss the charging screen with a swipe down. Awesome video and thanks to you both for spending the time driving for the test. Perhaps the heat pump is contributing to the efficiency?
Of course, it is.
What happened to the model y track video from yesterday? I didn't finish watching and I'm read to see more of what that thing can do!
Also please test the 18" x 7.5 wheels.
Love the blacked out look of the model y such a nice car
Will the 18 inch fit the larger brake calipers? I have a performance Y ordered it was supposed to be delivered 22nd to SF center. I pulled out ? Editing the FSD as they didn’t honor the 5k price when i made an edit to the car removing the seven seat configuration caused the prices to be recalculate not to happy so rather than paying higher DMV fees I’ll add the FSD as its only a Software add if and when they get closer to actually having it work. Rescheduled the delivery for May we will see but with all that’s going on it may be longer. All good maybe it will have some newer updates. But buyer beware if you make an edit to your order they reprice the car!
Good info for a start. Pack size (212.5 mi + 61 mi) x 270 Wh/mi = 73.8 KWh, 212.5 mi / (100% - 22%) x 270 Wh/mi = 73.6 KWh. The race track is more important than range in a SUV?
What are the best size wheels for the Model Y performance Upgrade to replace the Uber Turbine 21 inch wheels. I want the range and love the Red Calipers and that's why I ordered the upgrade. Which size provides the best range and comfort, 19's or 20's or maybe even 18's?
Did you do the performance 18/19inch test??
That is a good range for the performance Y. I am guessing that the 21 inch rims do well on range cruising on the highway. Maybe in the city, the range drops faster due to the heavier wheel compared to the 18 inch ones.
hell yes the wait is over!
Kyle can you do some performance figures on your car with the 18's VS the stock wheels eg. Acceleration figures + quarter mile please. Thanks
Was it flat ground or uphill or downhill? I've found hills make a lot of difference. Also it kind of sucks in the USA where people drive 80+ that if you do that in a Tesla the range really drops. ALWAYS buy the biggest battery they have. The rest can be upgraded later if you don't have the money to get autopilot. I made a horrible mistake of getting the 240mi SR+ with autopilot. I should have got the LR and added it later if I wanted it. I only can get about 180 miles in the actual range.
I recently bought a preowned 2019 model 3, when I changed it to 100% it was only 202 miles of range. Am I doing something wrong or could there be an issue with the batteries?
Did you guys ever follow up on testing the range with martian wheels on? I heard the difference is not that much due to aerodynamics of the ubertine compared to martian wheels.
I would luv to buy a model Y however I have range anxiety! With the 18” wheels be able to get better range ? And or better watt hours
Not sure if I missed this but were wheel trims the same? i.e. no aero trims involved?
Is your SD card on the blink?
How much do you think it can do on aftermarket 18's with thicker walled tires? Those wheels are so much lighter than these turbine sized behemoths!
Did you have a screen protector on because I couldn’t tell if there is?
Chinese viewer here. Just ordered Y after watching this video, very informative
Wouldn’t your wh/mi be off if your overall tire size is not accurate for what the car thinks? Wouldn’t this have affected your other vid as well?
Can you do 80mph compare?
Hey Kyle, awesome video as always!!! How/where do you plug-in your radar detector in the Tesla M3/MY?
I ordered my tesla y performance long time ago, but had to edit out the performance upgrade (21 inch wheels, lower suspension), because i was afraid of a stiffer ride, and back problems. Please give me your feedback regarding the ride. Is it soft, sporty, stiff?,
Smaller wheels, thicker rubber is better. Seriously you don't want to know how much it costs to repair a bent rim and you won't be able to lift the wheel as it is too heavy. Get thick rubber on smaller wheels. Much more range, less harshness, more comfort.
what was the average speed for the 212.t miles?
Great video, just ordered my Y performance few days ago. Can you tell me the song title which is played between the scenes?
Sounded like instrumental in risky business,! When they were in the train!
Does this model run on Pirelli rubber or Goodyear's?
So, 272 miles for Model Y Performance on 21in wheels. Thats about the same as Taycan 4S on 21in wheels (277miles) that Kyle tested..
How did you average 238 Wh/mi while averaging 69.8 mph in a Model Y Performance. That is ridiculously good efficiency.
This is what I’ve wanted! Well, I really want a 78mph test so I can see what it will be like driving to Wilmington and back to Raleigh vs. my Model 3 P. I cannot believe this is more efficient than the 3 Performance. I struggle to hit 300wh/mi at 70mph on the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. Those Pirelli tires must be drastically more efficient than the Michelin tires.
Also tire noise and wind noise in model 3 performance....
F C I suspect it’s the Uberturbines that are more aero-friendly than the P3D’s 20” Sport wheels.
11:20 Do you have the "Scan My Tesla" App, I wonder if it is working already for teh Model Y, but on my Model 3 I got 76.9 kWh using this App.
Is it brand new? You have to remember that the 3.5kWh buffer is below 0%.
Picked up my Performance 2i" yesterday, but i drove ahelluvalot faster now and then, testing zip not distance. You had more patience.
Just get ScanMyTesla and CAN bus cable, then you don't have to guestimate anything. You have a regular new LR pack of around nominal 77-78kWh, energy buffer of 3.5kWh and usable (between 100% and 0%) 74kWh. Nothing spectacular but well documented from M3s. What is really great is the consumption on 21". Was it a flat topography?
How many miles did it go with this setupp?
Just picked our model YP up. I drove 150 miles (from 90% to 9), driving late night on flat Texas I-10. Drove +10 all the way. 360 watts? per mile on 21” wheels. I’m going to make this trip weekly for a while. It will be interesting to see the results.
Update?
Also......how do you think the range would be effected between the 19" and 20" wheels?
Do you have FSD on your car?
If not, miss it at all?
Model Y is a fantastic vehicle!
Hope to see road trips in a model Y in the future.
We are planning one for October!
Interesting result from that size of wheel, in a way it's a pity you had swapped to 18"s on your car (the 20's would have been an interesting reference), pure speculation (I'm no aerodynamicist) but ..... the design of the 21's looks as if they have paid attention to aero (compare the spokes of the M3 20's), centre cap covers the bolts (reminds me of the 19's I have on order from thenewaero) , the shape of the spokes remind me of a jet engine turbine vane, there are more them and they are closer together, smaller gaps between them giving less drag ? CDA of the Y must surely be higher than the 3 (it has a bigger frontal area) so that would count against it, maybe the heat pump is helping (which surely they will bring to the 3) ? As you'll know (from the i3 and your 18's) the width of the wheel will play a part, is the 21 narrower than the 20 ? Doesn't look it. Pack design / chemistry ?
It's very nice looking car...
I remember I was the 4th person to see this video!! Wow it had already been 3 years time flys by 😅
I suspect the aeroish design of the 21s have some effect on the efficency. Throw your 20 inch open spoke range eaters on there will probably see closer to 300 wh/mi
100% agree
How long does it take to charge to 100%?
Can you please use international standardized units aswell?
What is the name of song playing in background?
shazam shows no results.... need the name as well
to get 73kWh you can also just divide 57kWh by the percentage used (100-22=78%) so 57/0.78=73
Can you comment on the cabin noise compare to M3?
Quieter
How are the suspension compared to 3
Jack Ryder ride is smoother due to higher seats, model 3 feels like sitting right on the road compared to it
Yuf Wang seat height has nothing to do with suspension firmness.
The Y is much more softly sprung than the 3.
@@SquidwardTortallini thank you sir
So if one would replace the wheels with 18's would the car still think it can only go 280 miles?
Correct - not sure what happens when you tell it you’re on 18s though - we’ll have to test that tomorrow. Videos to come! That number is rated miles anyway, kind of silly
Charlotte as in North Carolina?
What is the recommendation for charging? I hear not to charge over 80% and then only charge up to 100% if you are doing a road trip.
Yup
Is it healthier for the vehicle to charge at 95% rather than 100%?
Doesn’t look like you had the Aeros on on the model 3 so it should be even better.
I factored the range you had travelled by the remaining 22% and that gave the same 272 miles. You calculation seemed more complicated, but presumably, that was because you wanted to estimate the battery capacity for future degradation testing?
Correct
Hi, we live on a dirt road that can get rough during rainy months. Do you think the model Y suspension would hold up well on dirt roads? I wish they offered air suspension for model y.
Yeah
there is literally no car you can buy in 2020 that won't hold up on rough dirt roads...aside from an exotic sports car
Blake Acheson ummm that’s not true. We have had many cars that have held up just fine on our dirt road in the last 15 years. We have just never had an all electric vehicle
Check out @dirtytesla he does much of his driving on dirt roads.
@@Andy-bd2xe your reply doesn't make any sense
Can you hyper mile Tesla y?
How’s the suspension? Is it better than the 3?
It’s softer, better for driving around town, worse for performance
Model 3 is more "track" optimized, model Y is more "family" optimized lol.
Suspension is stiffer on Model 3, which provides better handling, but can be a bit bumpier as a trade-off. No freebies there... I guess unless you have something like dynamic air suspension, which may give you best of both worlds if done right, but with cost and part maintenance as the trade-off.
So basically either model can be considered "better" depending on your use case priorities.
I am jumping in to Tesla ownership soon. Lol. If I get the the performance y and change the wheels to a smaller lighter wheel, how much more range will I get? Comparable to long range? Thanks for the videos I have really enjoyed them.
We’ll find out soon when I test them
Out of Spec Motoring awesome thank you! I have to get a performance so I can finally beat my wife’s car! Lol
Plz plz plz do that test with different size wheel's
Will do
Can you confirm how much time it took for 80% and 100% charge, i have ordered a model y but i am still thinking between x and y and charging speed is a key for me since we do a lot of long road trips
Takes a long time but they all do above 80%
@@OutofSpecMotoring how much is the difference in charging time from 0 to 80 between model y and x,
@@luvvirus1984 the Y is better at charging. If you dont need the space of the X just go for the Y and safe money.
Also was there any wind on this trip?
Michael Schrodter Did you watch the video?
What is the price of Tesla three
Im not getting anywhere near that on my y at 70mph, im averaging 330/350 after a daily 150mi trip
Did you have a chance to say how many miles it goes on a full charge?
Yes
Sounds like a new cross country challenge OOSM
Don't forget you had two people in the car and 4 wheels so a fair amount of extra weight above what you normally have in your 3. So the range should be even better.
So the range is more than what’s on Teslas website?
It's pronounced hunduson ;-p
thanks boys! looks fun
What happened to the video at 7:18?
they exceeded.88 MPH just for a second, and went back in time 30 minutes to where their car still had a larger charge. Thus the increased range.
If you check the interior fit and finish. The B pillar has a massive gap at the top compared to the Model 3. Check 1:47 (Model Y) against 4:53 (Model 3). I'd have to say that is a little disappointing and hopefully fixable. Especially since I want a Model Y instead of a Model X
If you want build quality, don’t buy a Model X
What does it cost to charge up? How long for a full charge?
Same as Model 3. Costs can be found on Teslas website (many factors contribute) and depends on what you plug into.
If you're trying to compare it to filling up a gas tank, it'll usually be cheaper than filling with gas, barring some ideal scenario in a Prius with gas prices crashing or something... hmm lol.
Of course if 99 percent of your charging is done at home then it's not a competition, we did the math on our use case and it was a 75% savings vs gas fillup. And if you have a good solar home setup then it could potentially be close to free. We did not, but may be tempted to "subscribe" to Tesla solar when we order our Tesla EV.
You may need to consider your own driving habits and use case and then see how it compares to your current car, it'll vary.
I would expect the Y to be slight worse than the M3 on driving/handling, but please comment on that. Thanks!
Videos soon
Altitude rise or fall?
I agree with Robert Llewellyn efficiency should be stated miles per kwh just like miles per gallon.
It’s easy to convert, you can do that if you wish
How come no one talks about the ride quality, cabin noise and sound deadening compares to the model x?
It’s hard to quantify a lot of those measurements without abnormal testing gear
I’m sure competitors do Plus 400 wh/ m!
who drives 70mph? I'm from AZ. Our interstate is 75 and I typically run 79-84. Living in CA, I drive 80 to work every morning in a 65 and people pass me constantly!!! Your live stream made me change my order to performance... I'm gonna get some light OZ's... Did you guys get a weight on the Uberturbines???
Brian will have a video out on wheel weight soon
The average person don’t buy a car to take it to the racetrack omg
Ronald Fish Thanks. I knew I was above average.
I so agree. Everyone keeps acting like they are in the 80's where you fixated on 0-60 times.
Ronald Fish agreed. Sick of the obsession with hooning Teslas. 99.5% of people need range and usability over outright acceleration. I’d rather see tesla breaking news ground on extending range dramatically than 0-60 times.
I'd like a car that's fun to drove with good acceleration, but not that interested in 0-60 straight line drags.
@@stubones To be fair, mid range acceleration (30 - 60) is a pretty important consideration in normal daily driving.
Why surprisingly ? It’s the opposite which would have surprised me ....
11:00 A few points on the calculation (even though it was in this case pretty accurate, due to the efficiency matching the constant - straight lines matching dotted lines under energy)
You don't calculate the rated range based on the consumption you did, but based on the specific constant for each Model. The remaining rated range that you see in the battery symbol near the speed is always calculated based on that constant. (the energy graph uses the consumption though, but only from 0-96%, confusing I know!)
At 8:30 you can see the straight line - this shows you the constant Tesla uses for each Model. On this particular model Y it seems it is around 280Wh/m (175Wh/km) - try to match it next time around to know what it is for sure. This is a bit strange, because this yields around 275 miles rated (77kWh divided by 280Wh/m) and not the advertised 315miles. This is the first time Tesla is deviating so much from EPA. Usually the constant is always matching EPA. On Model 3 LR AWD, the constant is around 153Wh/km (245Wh/m) I don't know the exact numbers in miles because miles are very inaccurate. If you want to do those calculation, make sure to switch to KM. The 153Wh/km matches the 500km EPA at 76,5kWh. This is why a lot of people don't see any "degradation" unless they go below 76,5kWh, which comes after a couple of months of ownership. Also, the Model 3 doesn't have 74kWh, it has 77-78kWh when brand new, but you can only see the extra 3.5kWh if you go below 0%.
This is why when you test the 100%-0% you only get the 74kWh max!
From what you tested, 73.5kWh, it seems the Y uses the exact same battery pack. From what we have seen it seems that the Y is indeed not as efficient as the 3, but this is a P. But I imagine we will see a lot of people complaining that they can't get anywhere near the 315 miles, because if you only do 270miles on this sunny day driving straight 70mph, they will have hard time doing more. I can't wait for the forum posts to start pouring in...
I explain all the buffer thing and the below 0% and how Tesla kind of lies about the range estimation, if you are interested to understand more on the subject you can check my videos
He has the performance upgrade, which is rated at 280 miles
You didn't go out and back, so changes in elevation and wind direction aren't accounted for.
Man that silver has really grown on me, but my wife wants white or red and I dont want red. White it is.