@@StressKind You can in fact remove the batteries, although you can only charge one at a time with the supplied charger. Its quite obvious in the video also when he shows them as both batteries have quick disconnects and straps to pull them out with.
In London you can only travel at 20 mph, get an electric pedal bike a decent one for £2500 with removal battery for charging in your apartment and you still save the £150/month Z1 to Z2 Oyster card. It’s a toy for the well off!
Thats fine but, if you remove money from the equation this is better. Its better because in cycling cities they only ever cycle 3km on average. If you are cycling any more than that, e-bike or not youre being fed a load of lies. With this thing, you could get a phonecall "your kids in hospital on the other side of town", no problem hop on and off you go, you can pop home and pick up some pjs for them. You can do it on the e-bike, but you will get tired, you will get miserable. You can cycle to the sea for a swim, but you might be too tried by the time you get there to get in, get on this and youll be fresh for your swim. Trust me, I ride bicycles everywhere, and the last minute "Hey, want to pop out to place-x" are the ones you never do, not after cycling 10 km to work and back, then an hour cycling to go for a swim, then a phone call that someone is free on other side of city want to do something? well at this point youre thinking about jumping in the car or not going. With this thing i could pop out to the fish mongers at the sea town, into the city, out for a swim, out to a relative, into work, etc. I 100% promise you, that you wont do all that on an ebike.
BMW complaining that the market is not ready, no, they are not making practical bikes for the market, it is simple really, the brand which has realistic range, real world top speed and a good price point for your average rider wins. Truth be told bikers rarely ever buy new anyway, those who do are usually late boomers or people with disposable income later in life, for the rest of us we choose bikes based on value for money.
The interesting part is that it is loved by all the influencers and mostly hated in the comments. Maybe BMW should have spent less money for this kind of advertisement and more for the product management?
Buy PCX penty of storage and weather protection, then do 200 + miles for about a tenner. Then buy another before 125s are banned. You'll still have spent less!
So let's say you do decide to use it around London, how do you secure it? With solid lookingwheels and a very non conventional frame there appears to be very few/if any spots to chain it down. So it's getting nicked then... #london
Didn't I already see this guy review this bike on Bikeworld? If its anything like the comments section there, everyone thinks it's terrible (except the reviewer)
Agree with other comments about wheels and removable battery, but also, as a commute/errends bike it needs luggage carrying capacity, a rack or something. Much as I like the idea of an electric town bike I'd still ride a Honda Cub in preference to this.
Chad I feel like you get it. An electric motorcycle I don’t want for all the reasons you said but this I would love to have in the garage. It looks great, feels quality, has heaps of character and would be so fun bombing round a city or neighbourhood again for all the reasons you mentioned. I think it will sell really well too. Also to all those grisly comments, it’s not a motorcycle so don’t compare it to one. It’s not a Honda cb500x but around the city it looks 1000x better and would be more fun. Why so miserable and cynical? You don’t have to buy it.
The only thing that is really off putting is the price this bike is around 8500€ for the base MC version that has 6kw here in Sweden as we are given 3 versions a 3.7kW(Moped) 6kW(Light MC) and 11kW(MC) which means you almost get two KTM or two Kawasaki or two Suzuki or two Aprilia 125cc bike of the same price as the 11kW fully equipped version are😅
Actually can see it fitting in perfectly as you described. But. It's so expensive. If I'm spending 8.5g on a commuter I'm probably spending 6.6g on a cb500x and riding to Lisbon with the spare 2g. Lisbon is a great city. Like it a lot but too much money. And as some others have said, how do I lock it up? But yes, that is a cool bike. Ride safe 👍
TVS, much like Bajaj and RE, are really doing some quality stuff these days. Of all the bikes on my test drive-list I think about 60% are now Made in India.
Buy it , take it into lifts ,into your apartment,use it as a chair at dinner table charge overnight,then go into lift in morning,on the road into lift at office the use it as office chair .... you want it ,buy it ,make good use of it ,enjoy your life .
Its a ' fun' idea at a 'cost' with ' limited ' application which is ' difficult' to secure. So a classic product from the young BMW marketing ' wet dream ' people.
If there isn't some locking point that wasn't mentioned, couldn't one lock through the void under the front of the seat? As a former urban bicycle rider, locking through the wheel is not the best security. If they want it bad enough, they'll just take everything but the wheel, no?
Aside from looks, it is hard to justify this against a 125cc. I’ve had both a Vespa Elettrica and a modern Vespa 125cc. The Vespa 125cc is around half the price of this BMW, has built in secure storage, and has averaged 150mpg over the 5000 miles I’ve had it. The emissions are non existent on an electric, but they’re also tiny on a 125cc - so there’s not much of a gain in that regard, and a 125cc is still massively more eco friendly than most cars. The range on this BMW is quoted at 95km, or 59 miles. 20-80% charging represents 60% or a range of 35 miles, and it takes 2.5 hours of “fast” charging to get that?
Looks really cool, I like it. Downside is the price and range. It’s a hard sell at the price, we will see if it sells. The monkey sells for 5k out the door, this is larger. Would be better if it was more like 7k out the door instead of 9k.
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There is a mistake in the power values you posted it seems. It should be 15HP, 11kW.
It's cool yeah but 8 and a half grand for that is just dumb. Especially when you can get a super soco TC max for 4599 that is just as fast and has better range
You will never need 90 kms in town. Not even 30. I live in the countryside and I rarely need more than 30. Perfect range and I don't want the additional weight for something I don't use.
I could see this being great if you work less then 5 mile to and from work. Personally I have the chance to toy with one. It’s an adrenaline rush. It’s capable of whip lash. Price is a bit steep tho $6,000 should be a solid price point tho. Light enough to load in a pickup truck and take with you on vacation for fun local rides. There is great potential for this and not having a heavy bike to load and unload. Personally I would buy one. I have bed ramps. Could load this solely by yourself. No need for another set of hands. It’s simple has a reverse to get in and out of truck beds alone lightweight. Maybe low range for most people but as a cruiser around town on vacations will save you money in gas. To me that’s a win. Would I leave it unattended probably not. 99% in the bed locked up but this is a first step and chance for a giant leap if priced right. For having a smaller light bike to take locally
Ach, how I’d want Honda to just release a proper electrical super cub. 60 miles of actual range is enough, the form factor is almost made for EV batteries and I’m sure they’d get the price closer to what I’d like to pay. Would be great for the commute and save the miles on my ‘proper’ bike (the capacity of which I use five times a year).
This is a very fun concept, but it simply doesn't work. These get stolen so quick and easy, trust me.... I got mine stolen 2 days after the purchase. Due to their size 2 men can simply toss it on a mini van and vanish. IF however you commute and you go from home parking space to work parking space, it's okay.
125 equivalent with 40lb/ft needs more power? Energy density I get, but power doesn't seem to be an issue with electrics. I maintain that the key to e-motorcycles of this "size" will be bike-sharing services.
@seefy22 You mean when they had B&W screens the size of a postage stamp, no cameras let alone internet capacity, and were the size of battery powered shaver? Turns out daily charging isn't that big a deal (still wouldn't buy this thing, just saying).
In the real world, how many people can afford one of those. Interesting arithmetic, comparing it to an Oyster card, most of the world does not have an Oyster card or get free charging.
Theft in cities is rife and this is one such bike I can see being placed on the high risk list due to the styling/BMW badge and the fact it's expensive. I'm not sure how you'd chain it up to prevent theft due to the wheels. This bike unfortunately fits the "toy" of the rich than the average biker. An electric bike is far better value and you can bring it inside a building off the street completely out of sight of thieves.
This will be another EV fail because it just costs far too much however good it is. - after you have spent another £xxxx for a comfortable seat!! A quality 125 scooter is £3500 with loads of cheaper alternatives.
Considering that you could buy a brand new MT07, or a high CC Scooter, or basically any other mid class bike, the price for this 75 km range junk can only be considered a bad joke. Who in the world would actually consider buying this??
The fact he pars off the poor range with "iTs jUsT a ScOoTer" is dumb when most scooters in the UK are sold to deliver drivers. Needs to be 120 mile range minimum
Loud pipes save lives. The price will relegate this into the category of old man with Motorhome’s toy. So you go to all the trouble of designing a cool and fun electric scooter for young people then release it at a price that only old folk can afford to pay?
Pointless overpriced consumer tat. Ideal for gen Z social media influencers 😂 If this is what is representative of what will be available once ICE engines are banned, I’ll be nursing my bikes until fuel is no longer available, the bikes are unrepairable or I kick the bucket!
Motorcycling is all about adventure freedom exploring which involves riding hundreds of miles. Electric motorcycles are extremely limited in range and lack character.
Yes because the purchase cost, range and charging times, charging infrastructure are all comparable to ice vehicles. And people wonder why boomers say younger generations are dumb 😂
Can you remove the battery for charging ? If not it fails as a city commuter, most people in cities live in flats ?
Batteries of that size weigh upwards of 30 kg, you really want to lug that up to your apartment?
no you can't... otherwise, I'd be really tempted... I think there are scooters which split the battery into 2x20kg which is very manageable.
You can't, which is a deal breaker.
@@StressKind You can in fact remove the batteries, although you can only charge one at a time with the supplied charger. Its quite obvious in the video also when he shows them as both batteries have quick disconnects and straps to pull them out with.
@@simulacrae it would be good exercise 🤣🤣 Either that or your back would go out.
if bmw gives you the bike and tells you to say it's not a scooter, it's definitely a scooter
In London you can only travel at 20 mph, get an electric pedal bike a decent one for £2500 with removal battery for charging in your apartment and you still save the £150/month Z1 to Z2 Oyster card. It’s a toy for the well off!
like any BMW really...
Exactly. It's not about range with these small electric motorbikes anymore. It's just nowhere near the value of an ebike or even a used 125cc.
can you use it on a UK moterway
@@Kingnn2017 yes but not on a CBT license
Thats fine but, if you remove money from the equation this is better. Its better because in cycling cities they only ever cycle 3km on average. If you are cycling any more than that, e-bike or not youre being fed a load of lies. With this thing, you could get a phonecall "your kids in hospital on the other side of town", no problem hop on and off you go, you can pop home and pick up some pjs for them.
You can do it on the e-bike, but you will get tired, you will get miserable. You can cycle to the sea for a swim, but you might be too tried by the time you get there to get in, get on this and youll be fresh for your swim.
Trust me, I ride bicycles everywhere, and the last minute "Hey, want to pop out to place-x" are the ones you never do, not after cycling 10 km to work and back, then an hour cycling to go for a swim, then a phone call that someone is free on other side of city want to do something? well at this point youre thinking about jumping in the car or not going.
With this thing i could pop out to the fish mongers at the sea town, into the city, out for a swim, out to a relative, into work, etc. I 100% promise you, that you wont do all that on an ebike.
Something of a security pain in the backside with enclosed wheels. Not easy to use a chain.
Put a chain around the front suspension or put the chain through the hole under the seat.
Being old and wealthy I'm going to buy one mainly as a talking point. Might use it occasionally on a sunny day.
Love it😂❤
There is definetly the power for electric sports bikes. It's just range / charging network that is the issue.
Energica make some wicked bikes.
It might be £120 per month on PCP but you probably have to pay an initial £3,000 - £4,000 deposit first
BMW complaining that the market is not ready, no, they are not making practical bikes for the market, it is simple really, the brand which has realistic range, real world top speed and a good price point for your average rider wins. Truth be told bikers rarely ever buy new anyway, those who do are usually late boomers or people with disposable income later in life, for the rest of us we choose bikes based on value for money.
The interesting part is that it is loved by all the influencers and mostly hated in the comments.
Maybe BMW should have spent less money for this kind of advertisement and more for the product management?
Buy PCX penty of storage and weather protection, then do 200 + miles for about a tenner. Then buy another before 125s are banned. You'll still have spent less!
£8500 for a range like that?
I half expected to see Krusty the clown riding it
So let's say you do decide to use it around London, how do you secure it?
With solid lookingwheels and a very non conventional frame there appears to be very few/if any spots to chain it down. So it's getting nicked then... #london
Didn't I already see this guy review this bike on Bikeworld? If its anything like the comments section there, everyone thinks it's terrible (except the reviewer)
Agree with other comments about wheels and removable battery, but also, as a commute/errends bike it needs luggage carrying capacity, a rack or something. Much as I like the idea of an electric town bike I'd still ride a Honda Cub in preference to this.
Oh I’d love for Honda to make a properly electrical Super Cub. With removable batteries like the Kawasaki it’d be amazing for the commute.
@@903lewhave you looked into the cub e? not a super cub, but inspired by such.
@@DJ-sp5vf Yeah but its not a Super Cub, like you said. It’s not a bad product from what I can tell but it just isnt the Super Cub.
Chad I feel like you get it. An electric motorcycle I don’t want for all the reasons you said but this I would love to have in the garage. It looks great, feels quality, has heaps of character and would be so fun bombing round a city or neighbourhood again for all the reasons you mentioned. I think it will sell really well too.
Also to all those grisly comments, it’s not a motorcycle so don’t compare it to one. It’s not a Honda cb500x but around the city it looks 1000x better and would be more fun. Why so miserable and cynical? You don’t have to buy it.
Are you buying one?
The only thing that is really off putting is the price this bike is around 8500€ for the base MC version that has 6kw here in Sweden as we are given 3 versions a 3.7kW(Moped) 6kW(Light MC) and 11kW(MC) which means you almost get two KTM or two Kawasaki or two Suzuki or two Aprilia 125cc bike of the same price as the 11kW fully equipped version are😅
Actually can see it fitting in perfectly as you described.
But.
It's so expensive. If I'm spending 8.5g on a commuter I'm probably spending 6.6g on a cb500x and riding to Lisbon with the spare 2g. Lisbon is a great city.
Like it a lot but too much money.
And as some others have said, how do I lock it up?
But yes, that is a cool bike.
Ride safe 👍
You might be glad to have an oyster cars when this gets stolen. How are you supposed to chain it up with solid wheels?
Bmw has a really good alarm system my s1000r alarm goes off just by tillting it
@@jasperkoster4499 you would leave your s1000r on side street in London all day with out it being chained up somehow?
Its completely MadeIn India by TVS Motors, with significant contribution to R&D & platform development.
TVS, much like Bajaj and RE, are really doing some quality stuff these days. Of all the bikes on my test drive-list I think about 60% are now Made in India.
Buy it , take it into lifts ,into your apartment,use it as a chair at dinner table charge overnight,then go into lift in morning,on the road into lift at office the use it as office chair .... you want it ,buy it ,make good use of it ,enjoy your life .
Its a ' fun' idea at a 'cost' with ' limited ' application which is ' difficult' to secure. So a classic product from the young BMW marketing ' wet dream ' people.
When they don't sell and the deals come out I will pick one up for sure 😍😍
I think BMW will scrap them before discounting.
j.juan brakes are a bit of a cheeky move by BMW at this price with this kind of range......
The price makes it pointles.
Agree. The electric bikes and cars are silly. Until the cars are half off and bikes triple the range I'm buying gas motors.
If there isn't some locking point that wasn't mentioned, couldn't one lock through the void under the front of the seat? As a former urban bicycle rider, locking through the wheel is not the best security. If they want it bad enough, they'll just take everything but the wheel, no?
You can’t even take the charger with you unless you want to carry around a massive box!
And the 12V battery has to be charged separately?
I can see that selling really well , perhaps not as well as a Turd flavour mars bar but who know eh !
Aside from looks, it is hard to justify this against a 125cc.
I’ve had both a Vespa Elettrica and a modern Vespa 125cc. The Vespa 125cc is around half the price of this BMW, has built in secure storage, and has averaged 150mpg over the 5000 miles I’ve had it.
The emissions are non existent on an electric, but they’re also tiny on a 125cc - so there’s not much of a gain in that regard, and a 125cc is still massively more eco friendly than most cars.
The range on this BMW is quoted at 95km, or 59 miles. 20-80% charging represents 60% or a range of 35 miles, and it takes 2.5 hours of “fast” charging to get that?
Looks really cool, I like it. Downside is the price and range. It’s a hard sell at the price, we will see if it sells. The monkey sells for 5k out the door, this is larger. Would be better if it was more like 7k out the door instead of 9k.
There is a mistake in the power values you posted it seems. It should be 15HP, 11kW.
It's cool yeah but 8 and a half grand for that is just dumb. Especially when you can get a super soco TC max for 4599 that is just as fast and has better range
Frankly the range is pathetic an e-bicycle would be a better choice
Yea a premium E-Bike is definitely a better choice over this BMW.
Yes esp if the law was changed d to allow e bicycles to keep up with traffic 30- 40mph when needed and slower as needed
Doesn’t it get 60 miles? Bout what a 125 gets on American roads.
You will never need 90 kms in town. Not even 30. I live in the countryside and I rarely need more than 30. Perfect range and I don't want the additional weight for something I don't use.
But life happens in other places too on which we use up to 60 kms/h and need ABS brakes which you cannot obtain on a bicycle
I could see this being great if you work less then 5 mile to and from work. Personally I have the chance to toy with one. It’s an adrenaline rush. It’s capable of whip lash. Price is a bit steep tho $6,000 should be a solid price point tho. Light enough to load in a pickup truck and take with you on vacation for fun local rides. There is great potential for this and not having a heavy bike to load and unload. Personally I would buy one. I have bed ramps. Could load this solely by yourself. No need for another set of hands. It’s simple has a reverse to get in and out of truck beds alone lightweight. Maybe low range for most people but as a cruiser around town on vacations will save you money in gas. To me that’s a win. Would I leave it unattended probably not. 99% in the bed locked up but this is a first step and chance for a giant leap if priced right. For having a smaller light bike to take locally
Cheaper brand equivalent to this would be awesome.
Ach, how I’d want Honda to just release a proper electrical super cub. 60 miles of actual range is enough, the form factor is almost made for EV batteries and I’m sure they’d get the price closer to what I’d like to pay. Would be great for the commute and save the miles on my ‘proper’ bike (the capacity of which I use five times a year).
It's cool but for that price you can get cooler. Probably some suits will buy it to show off how much money they can stupidly throw away...
This is a very fun concept, but it simply doesn't work. These get stolen so quick and easy, trust me.... I got mine stolen 2 days after the purchase. Due to their size 2 men can simply toss it on a mini van and vanish. IF however you commute and you go from home parking space to work parking space, it's okay.
125 equivalent with 40lb/ft needs more power? Energy density I get, but power doesn't seem to be an issue with electrics.
I maintain that the key to e-motorcycles of this "size" will be bike-sharing services.
So it's got 45 mile to 60 mile range ... that's a waste of time ... 😅
Remember when phone batteries used to last nearly a week.. now we charge them daily.
@@seefy22 Well, at least cellphones don't recquire a heated garage and let you go to the shops after work.
@seefy22 You mean when they had B&W screens the size of a postage stamp, no cameras let alone internet capacity, and were the size of battery powered shaver? Turns out daily charging isn't that big a deal (still wouldn't buy this thing, just saying).
In the real world, how many people can afford one of those. Interesting arithmetic, comparing it to an Oyster card, most of the world does not have an Oyster card or get free charging.
Theres so many bad car drivers out there, isnt a silent bike a bit dangerous in that respect, espeically in cities like london.
That would be stolen in 1 day in London.
I want this in petrol or this under 2,000$ because of its range.
Theft in cities is rife and this is one such bike I can see being placed on the high risk list due to the styling/BMW badge and the fact it's expensive. I'm not sure how you'd chain it up to prevent theft due to the wheels. This bike unfortunately fits the "toy" of the rich than the average biker. An electric bike is far better value and you can bring it inside a building off the street completely out of sight of thieves.
150 in tube around London or 120 in this around london plus the tension of thieves😂
I like it but prefer the ce04
£10k you would have to be crazy
Shame some chav will probably nick it in the uk
This will be another EV fail because it just costs far too much however good it is. - after you have spent another £xxxx for a comfortable seat!!
A quality 125 scooter is £3500 with loads of cheaper alternatives.
Ten grand for a 125. Aimed at young people who can spend 10k on a bike that has a range of 60 miles when new. Same as electric cars, too expensive.
Well, you did your best trying to big it up but frankly it's a joke!
0-60mph time? I like it, it has a monkeybike look to it.
Lost me with the price 😂
9500 lol
No standard J1773 charging. No thanks!
More riding, less talking
9:21 So it's marketed towards cyclists?
Hooow muuuch? You must be joking.
Constant repetition constant repetition constant repetition. Understand understand understand. Hope you see my point.
The idea is nice, but it is more expensive than a 390 adventure, a KLR 650. Grom and others. All smarter choices. A ct125 is 125mpg.
Its a no from me..
Sure looks like a scooter to me.
E motorised either car or bike, isn't the way forward. Hydrogen power, maybe. Not elec.
Wrong
I think it's really good 😉
Considering that you could buy a brand new MT07, or a high CC Scooter, or basically any other mid class bike, the price for this 75 km range junk can only be considered a bad joke.
Who in the world would actually consider buying this??
The fact he pars off the poor range with "iTs jUsT a ScOoTer" is dumb when most scooters in the UK are sold to deliver drivers. Needs to be 120 mile range minimum
Too heavy for motorhomes
Loud pipes save lives. The price will relegate this into the category of old man with Motorhome’s toy. So you go to all the trouble of designing a cool and fun electric scooter for young people then release it at a price that only old folk can afford to pay?
Don’t matter how good it is far too much money and I always will be petrol scooter until it’s cheaper enough to buy
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That looks more horrible than the last one
There are much better electric motorcycles on the market, this isn't the one.
What's better alternatives
Pointless overpriced consumer tat. Ideal for gen Z social media influencers 😂 If this is what is representative of what will be available once ICE engines are banned, I’ll be nursing my bikes until fuel is no longer available, the bikes are unrepairable or I kick the bucket!
Motorcycling is all about adventure freedom exploring which involves riding hundreds of miles.
Electric motorcycles are extremely limited in range and lack character.
What a horrible fail! 😂
£8,500 lmao. It's a toy. Someone with that money to blow on this won't use it to "commute" in the city. They're far too rich for that.......
inb4 the boomers starting crying about EVs in the comments
Yes because the purchase cost, range and charging times, charging infrastructure are all comparable to ice vehicles. And people wonder why boomers say younger generations are dumb 😂
Looks like a piece of garbage
You sound like they’ve paid you for this review.
Yes, it’s different. It’s too expensive, ludicrous range.
This is a pointless waste of cash. If I am ever to buy an electric bike it needs to accelerate like a missile and have some decent range.
No it’s a fail. Ugly, expensive, shit range.
~ 75 miles range and belt drive...no thanks.