Weather Teams Are WEIRD In Gen 9 VGC | Pokemon Scarlet & Violet VGC
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- Its just super different from previous gens and I really like it.
0:00 - Intro
1:57 - Rain (Floatzel Good?)
10:09 - Sun (Torkoal Needs No Partners)
14:11 - Sand (Endeavor Lycanroc is Standard)
19:04 - Snow (Abomasnow Is GOOD???)
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You missed the fact that spidops gets both rain dance and sunny day, making weather unplayable in the spidops matchup, which is the most important matchup there is
Spidops Supremacy continues
Spidops is the best evidence we have for how insane power creep is this gen
focus sash spidops unbeatable weather breaker
@@handlethesenutz Dual Wingbeat.
@@tylerthompson3075 Nah spidops clears
The 4 weathers: rain, snow, sand and torkoal
The biggest shake-up for weather teams is that you don't have to commit hard anymore. You can splash a little weather onto a team that doesn't inherently relate to weather and do just fine. As opposed to previous generations where every Rain team, for example, needed both Politoad and Pelliper on it to be relevant. You also don't see switch-loops with each player swapping in their weather setter for no reason other than to change the weather.
perhaps something was different in the last couple of years, but during 2015 and 2018 this was just as true as it is now (poli+ludi in 2015, pelipper+swift swimmer in 2018)
The reason you don't see switch loops is because weather isn't that popular at the moment. It's definitely good but not to the point where you can anticipate it to be on nearly every team you fight, so trainers don't need to play weather wars nearly every game. If weather keeps rising in usage, this tactic will start to get used more
Yeah but they still need Pelipper lol.
Unless you're trying to not die to a torkoal bomb* then it's worth switching to avoid the punishment
I love that all the weathers are soft options in this gen, I’ve been playing sun trick room and the development of sand pieces returning has been quite inconvenient
I played a sun room team last gen and had fun but unfortunately by the end it really wasn't very useful because I was too lazy to train up new Pokémon to match the changing formats
You don't understand how perfectly timed this video is. I am currently training an Abomasnow when this dropped 💯
You should try Cetitan, Florges and Abomasnow in doubles because Cetitan can protect itself while Abomasnow sets up the aurora veil then I would switch out Abomasnow with Florges because of the hidden ability Symbiosis. After Cetitan belly drum, Florges hidden ability will activate and pass on the item to Cetitan. I chose either Wide Lens or assault vest to pass on to Cetitan. Florges can learn pollen puff to heal up Cetitan. I gave Cetitan the fairy Tera type to give play rough more power. Originally I was gonna run ice tera Cetitan because of the ice shards but it’s not good enough. I might add Indeedee to the team since it can distract the targets while Abomasnow sets up the aurora veil.
You can just use Spicy Extract on Dragopult directly since Clear Body will stop the defense drops
The big brain move is to use Spicy Extract on an opponent with Defiant, so Mirror Herb Dragapult gets +4 Attack in one move.
Swift Swim Beartic has also seen a lot of use this gen, and it’s pretty unique for being an Ice type rather than Water so it can fight bulky Grass types better than most rain sweepers. I’ve also seen a lot of them run Tera Water + Liquidation to take further advantage of the rain
Tera Water Beartic is basically a bulkier and more versatile version of Floatzel
Floatzel
Pros
-Can reliably run Adamant isntead of Jolly because of the better Speed
-Nuke potential with Wave Crash (is stupidly frail, so losing 50% of your HP isn't a big deal)
-Still able to outspeed things when Rain ends.
Cons
-As said before, is very frail so is screwed against double target and priority
-No good coverage, best thing it got are Ice Spinner and Crunch (same power as Tera Blast) and Floatzel doesn't got a good Attack to use them.
Beartic
Pros
-Actually bulky enough to survive a super effective hit, so isn't screwed a lot by double target and priority.
-Wide coverage (Earthquake, Rock Slide, Close Combat) and really good Attack to make proper use of it, dont worry about hitting your teammate, Pelipper is immune to Ground. This also allows for more reliable Tera types.
-Ice STAB without need to have Tera Ice, that's always a great thing.
-While not having access to double STAB or Wave Crash, Liquidation still hits hard and you actually have options for Water resists.
Cons
-While doesn't fear priority or double target as much as other sweepers, Choice Scarf will be your worst nightmare.
-100% Hopeless when rain ends.
Not sure if they can overcome Barraskewda
Lycanroc and houndstone have been hyper offensing sand now too
Finally someone added barraskewda to the teambuilder when talking about rain
its so underated imo it has great coverage and doesn't need swift swim so it can bypass redirection.
@@HeGotTheBoofthe only reason it wasn't a main choice before was because of fishious rend Dracovish! I'm glad it's finally getting some love.
Barraskewda was on my original team in Sw/Sh until I replaced it with a Whiscash for bulk
Barraskewda the missile love it
Barraskewda's even won a tournament with a hyper offensive rain team in SwSh
@@CCRexKanin Link to that tour?
You know what's crazy... Sunflora is viable. 30 Spe making it great for Trick Room, and Solar Power to boost its damage output. 105 SpA is nothing to scoff at, even outside of Sun if it's running Life Orb. Torkoal under Trick Room with it is its best friend.
@Garren
They're funnily kind of similar but are played in completely different strategies. Scovillain is a Sun speed sweeper (the literal only Fire type with Chlorophyll), while Sunflora is a sun Trick Room sweeper (Solar powered, 0-turn STAB Solar Beams hit like a nuke). So Scovillain is for Sun without Trick Room, while Sunflora is for Sun + Trick Room in tandem.
Make Sunflora half fire cause sunflower 🧠🧠🧠
15:49 PETA Moment
As an audio listener I whipped my phone out when he didn't mention Lycanroc but said "kick my dog" 5 times lol
Kilowattrel is also an important Pokémon for rain. Real fast with a good enough special attack when you use thunder and hurricane, both of which can’t miss in the rain
It’s like budget Zapdos
I legit put pelipper on my team halfway through building purely for having tailwind and wide guard, the rain reduces fire on my steel type and boosting tauros wave crash was more of a happy accident. Weather really is less committal now
I'm just happy Drednaw is getting more usage. As for the furure of Rain, I imagine it's only gonna get stronger when Overquil and Basculegion come out.
I'm scared for ubers with terrain and weather wars when Home mons are released
Can't belive we could get weather wars 2
Last respects basulegion gonna be terrifying 😱
Turcoal and abomasnow carry their weathers so much that you could run both on the same team
Current ranking of weather
4. Sand
3. Snow
2. Sun
1. Water
Jumpluff can pullout some interesting crap in the sun
I was literally looking at my team i was making and wasnt actually sure what would be the 6th mon i would put in but thanks to this vid i'm now very interested to try out Scovillian. thanks dude
Weather is super important on monotype too, since flutter mane is legal. Whether you're running mono fairy or mono ghost, you'll always have a prankster pokemon who can set up sunny day. Also speaking in low-mid ladder, mono ice is super popular right now, so being able to have your weather lead completely erase abomasnow's snow warning is huge
Love the vid dude. Keep ‘em comin.
I only use weather teams on one condition: There must be a pokemon which I really like that gets a speed boosting ability in a certain weather. I am now only using snow cause I love cetitan and I WILL USE KABUTOPS on rain if it becomes available in potential dlc. I love kabutops and he deserves better, he's my all time favorite
Good analysis. Although for snow there are a couple things you left out.
Biggest addition this gen imo is chilly reception on slowking. With that you don't even need abomasnow. You can run it bulky get the safe switch in & with regenerator on slowking.
I also feel like you overlooked Frosmoth as a snow abuser with its access to Blizzard. The strongest spread movement that doesn't hit allies & it gets stab & under snow it has 100 accuracy. With ice scales & aurora veil it can be really tanky for special attacks especially after 1 quiver dance.
Favorite weather is by default sand with TTar being my number 1 favorite in every gen but glad hes UU rn, it makes playing him feel more strategic than just being a wall that just had to avoid being punched lol the meta is so wishy washy and its actually amazing in a good way
It's my first real competitive experience so don't take my opinion too much into account, but i don't really like this meta. It's pretty stall, you really only see annihilapes that are a pain to deal with unless you carry gholdengo and predict their final gambit and trick room OU teams like Armorouge + torkoal, to mention something. You play 5 games online and you've played them all, even in low tiers x.x
@@PolarisYun For VGC meta games that’s kinda why you use hat experience to constantly update your teams. If you have troubles with scarf Annihilape, start leading Focus sash with a ghost type partner. That way they target into the dash, die, and you still survive.
As for Gholdengo Wide Gurd is your best friend and if you really want it dead instantly then I recommend Flamigo. It’s the only notable fighting type with Scrappy this generation and many assume Costar being the main ability. If you do lead Fake Out with Flamigo as the partner you can get a lot of momentum against Murkrow + Gholdengo leads. Tinkaton is great cause of Mold Breaker Fake Out
Another interesting tool that I haven't seen a lot of for weather teams is murkrow, he learns sunny day and rain dance and could be a pretty good alternative of Pelliper for teams its weak against.
honorable mentions to the cloud nine ability canceling weather. diet rayquaza.
Man I needed this I've been trying to make a sun team this Gen since I've always wanted to make one. Now, with these new threats that are coming back when home comes and the paradox pokemon become legal, it's going to be a bang.
best to worst, I think
rain - tried and tested to be the best for a while now
snow - aurora veil is very useful and you have to commit to it the least out of any achitype
sand - funny 1hp dog go brr
sun - torkoal carries sun in its shell, there is no other good mons that have chlorophyl
Would you go over trick room sometime? Also I would love a general teambuilding guide, like what type of pokemon you need, etc. Also maybe like ho to know what 4 pokemon to bring and should you make contradictions in the team like running both trick room and tailwind on the same team. Love the content very great.
Snow has been my fave but I’ve been messing around with rain recently with beartic. Very fun option to have with choice band
Assuming that most or all the available mon's in PLA show up, I'm very excited for Alola-tails. I was a Sand-Trick believer for a long time, even if I could never quite get it to work, but with the new ice weather snow?
I'm making some plans around T-ice and Body Press shenanigans, and have a decent setup P-Fire Tauros set in the snow (using self target tech with chilly breath to ignore any atk drops)
Another gimick i found pretty funny was a almost unhittable sandaconda ill paste it below. Its the only mon with a weather veil i.e. sandveil and access to minimize. So the goal is to lead with a follow me / rage powder mon and get at least one or 2 minimize off before popping sand with t-tar or hippowdon. Its quite funny to pull off and granted sometimes u get unlucky and they hit u anyways. But so sastisfying to win with sandaconda.
Sandaconda (M) @ Bright Powder
Ability: Sand Veil
Level: 50
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Impish Nature
- Minimize
- Body Press
- Coil
- Rock Slide
Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Stream
Level: 50
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Thunder Punch
Lycanroc (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sand Rush
Level: 50
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Endeavor
- Sucker Punch
- Accelerock
- Play Rough
Hippowdon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Yawn
- Slack Off
- Stockpile
- Fissure
Volcarona (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rage Powder
- Heat Wave
- Giga Drain
- Hurricane
Flamigo (F) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Costar
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Close Combat
- Liquidation
- Wide Guard
Trying to use a pure snow team on the ladder is the most depressing thing I’ve experienced in Pokémon. Every team has a way to one shot everything except Cetitan and even then it doesn’t like taking more than a couple hits.
I’m focusing on 3v3 singles right now, but in Singles people are sleeping on Slowking for a Snow teams. It gets a new signature move called Chilly Reception that sets Snow then switches. In Singles this lets you take a hit with Slowking, set Snow, switch into Cetitan, and get Slowking’s Regenerator off all in one turn. Plus I still have Slowking set up as a wall breaker with Tera Water, Choice Specs, and Hydro Pump.
Why Slowking gets a signature Snow move I have no idea, but it’s a welcome one in Singles.
Could actually be useful in doubled with cetitan too allowing you to scout and switch...might even have to replace aboma with that since he's kind of fragile with all his weaknesses. Usually only get off a single auora veil and then he's dead
@@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507 after seeing Avalugg and Hisuian Avalugg, they’d make a great team up with Slowking, especially if Snowscape and Aurora Veil power up Avalugg’s Body Press and they both benefit heavily from Trick Room
@@piratebear3126 eh seem I'm not huge on stall teams with a bunch of slugs lmao even when I see trick room I use my own and knock it back to normal😂
If I were to say which weather teams are the strongest. It’s a tough call. They all have pros and cons. But sun and rain is probably the 2 best because they weaken it’s counterpart’s weather boosted moves. Rain is mean for fast KOs and Sun is kinda meant for slower KOs. Also more abilities use the sun.
Sand is better for slow bulky teams and maybe evasion boosts with sand veil garchomp to just kinda live.
While snow now gives a def boost to ice types, giving them some bulk. Snow is a bit more of a way to deal with other weathers. Not really trying to abuse the snow.
"please hit my dog"
I've been wanting to run a sand team with hippo instead of ttar because of his lack of as many common weaknesses. I also wanna try a Terra fairy, water absorb quagsire for dondozo. Thoughts?
Dondozo are starting to run fissure, so that is not gonna do anything
Lycanroc-Dusk (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Tough Claws
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Protect
- Accelerock
- Play Rough
- Psychic Fangs
this is the Lycanroc I've been using on my hybrid sand/trick room team
I've been using a bulky support Golduck with Hydro, Yamn, Taunt and Soak in my rain team and it actually works quite well!
As someone who gotten much better in Gen 8 (where i never ran Protect in Gen 7, back when i was new here and, didn't even know how to use Weather teams, even valued Mold Breaker more than Sand Rush for Mimikyu alone) I'm a hyper offense Sand nerd, and i miss Excadrill so much................and to an lesser extent Overcoat Kommo-o
I haven't seen anyone other than myself using it but hippowdon is really fun right now. Bulky enough to switch in to shut out other weather but yawn pressure is so good right now
With how impactful tailwind is as a move what if it became a weather, e.g. flying types get a few setters and tailwind becomes a weather move, flying types or anything with levitate get a speed boost compared to grounded Pokémon (both sides) and flying type moves get a damage increase.
Please hit my dog is the funniest strat
My favorite weather is a strange question because I never really thought about it. I think My favorite would probably be sun. The other ones are so monolithic in the types of Pokémon that greatly benifit, (only Ice, only water+beartic+fire-weak, only a smaller selection of rock/ground/ steel and small array of abilities and effects) I think sun is the most fleshed-out weather in terms of available mechanics, followed by rain. Snow and sandstorm Id both like to have a few more interactions the way thunder, hurricane, blizzard, solarblade, and moonlight have, and a few more interesting abilities than only copy paste speed and leftovers abilities. Sand force is good, but I mean creative the way harvest is creative, not the way leaf gaurd is boring.
Personally I'm a fan of Sandstorm. I ran a Tyranitar Garganacl team with a Hariyama with Dark Tera and Safety Goggles. I'm trying to fine tune the strategy because that Hariyama is crazy.
plus sandaconda provide more weather control 👌
@@ricardosearch4544 There's an idea! Thanks!
I feel like Chilling Water should be like Icy Wind and have 55 Power, 95 accuracy and be a spread move
There's breaking swipe which makes the snarl opposite, deals 60 damage to both enemies and lowers atk 1 stage, dragon type, but sadly isn't a common move and now gen9 even less mons have it. I guess crippler bulky Mew will come back with icy wind, snarl and breaking swipe to keep cutting stats on each turn. But agree chilling water would fit better than a dragon type move and it is more common
unironic fear strats in vgc holy shit
My favorite weather is sand because I love ttar and garchomp as mons. As far as current meta it looks like ttar lycanroc is the most popular consisten weather out of them but once we get the paradox pokes I think sun will become the strongest
Me using sandveil brighpowder garchomp for 10 games and getting 0 evasions💀
I did a challenge run that involved a Frosmoth and snow was so clutch because of the buff.
So this something I noticed when I was looking for water type to use in tera raids.
There aren't many options for special attacking water types. Like let's draw a line at 100 sp atk. (We can make an exception for pelipper because drizzle makes 95 sp atk perfectly adequate.)
By this metric, there are exactly 7 currently legal, decently strong, special attacking water types.
Nearly all of them have something that makes unideal. Clauncher's stat spread is pretty bad, tatsugiri's(the one I'm using rn) isn't that much better, rotom wash only gets one water move this gen, Slowking and Slowbro are right on the line at 100 sp atk which is still not that strong, and pelipper's rain can be changed or will simply stop after a bit. Probably the best all rounder is Vaporeon, I just picked tatsugiri for it's better defensive typing and slightly better sp atk.
I LOVE sand rush greavard. Such a good Pokémon, run it with pawmot or rabsca to get some nasty death counter shenanigans going
tera water rotom fridge with assault vest is a lot of fun in snow
Sunny day + Grassy Terrain + Fire Tera + Arboliva + Strength Sap + Earth Power. GG
I challenge you to make stuff cheeks swalot work, also I like rain for floatzel
QOTD:
As a lover of fire types, I just have to go with sun. Ik this isn't relavent rn, but Groudon with Lorb Solar Power Gmax Charizard and Chlorophyll Whimsichott last gen was a beast. Not to mention running goofy gimicks like Harvest Trevanaut or Sleep powder Chlorophyll Venasuar (Gmax Vine whip was also a viable option). I had way too much fun with sun teams, so I have to go sun.
Hybrid teams are being the best, carry two strat posibilities, i love hybrid trickroom-tailwind teams to always mantain priority turns
.. I haven't played pokemon since like gen 3.. rain no longer helps thunder?? I see lots of rain and flying tera..
And can you have weather + tarrain?
Man I really wish Cryogonal would get Snow Warning as a buff. Mon genuinely has ridiculous bulk after Veil and hits a pretty good speed Tier at 105. Would be an interesting shake up imo
I personally like running a combination of Abomasnow and Cryogonal. Cryogonal is the third fastest Aurora Veil setter in the gen currently, just behind Froslass (with middling stats in my eyes) and Iron Bundle (oh god that monstrosity when it is legal), and benefits the most from snow's defensive boost. Plus, it gets moves like Haze or Freeze-Dry which if the current meta has shown anything, it's big fish and clothed crows. I also think Levitate is pretty good on this Pokémon especially since tera-electric blast and freeze-dry only have the Magnemite line to worry about right now. Would Snow Warning be an amazing buff? I mean, the snowflake mon setting up snow just makes sense. Should it get it? With a movepool like Cryogonal's, anything is a nice addition.
Good Cryogonal moves in my opinion:
Freeze-Dry
Ice Beam/Blizzard
Flash Cannon
Tera Blast
Ice Shard
Aurora Veil (Reflect/Light Screen to a lesser extent)
Chilling Water
Haze
Snowscape and Frost Breath could also be useful depending on the team (I had a lot of fun with a Crabominable team at one point), but still. It's quite predictable once you know what it can do. Doesn't mean it isn't one of my favorites though.
You didn’t mention Hisuian Lilligant! I’m super excited for it, it’s just Lilligant with slightly higher attacking and speed stats (they pulled the stats from its Sp. Att. so nothing of value is lost). Victory Dance is just physical Quiver Dance. It has access to all the same support moves as well as Ace Kick, Close Combat, Ice Spinner, Brick Break, Arial Ace, Poison Jab, and Facade. It’s just better Lilligant.
Ice has always struggled with poor type matchups. The defense boost feels like it could finally push snow viability. I'm patiently waiting for someone to find a Pokemon with a really strong Tera ice either in terms of flipping it's weaknesses, having a strong ice Tera Blast, and/or getting absurd benefits from the defense boost.
I’ve been running propeller tail barraskewda and it’s been incredible. Great for indeedee/armarouge. Also cc always KOs hydreigon as long as it’s not poison tera
I’ve been running shell smash Dreadnaw. Can you explain how barrakewda is good against that particular start? Might switch.
@@FireKnightGaming barraskewda’s hidden ability allows it to ignore any type of redirection, whether it’s rage powder, follow me, or even storm drain. So, if they lead indeedee/armarouge, and they aren’t expecting/don’t know about propeller tail, you can catch them off guard and KO the armarouge for basically free
@@tcm_smitty thanks for the reply. I’ll definitely try it out. That team is so prevalent atm.
@@tcm_smitty adamant still or jolly since we aren’t using swift swim?
@@FireKnightGaming jolly
ooo do u think the paradox mons will be in the new series ?😆😭
Best weather is and forever will be rain. All hail Kyogre 🙌 But seriously, weather is gonna be naaaasty in the dlc. Marcos, you should cover that in a speculation vid. Tornadus is gonna have access to every weather now. Prankster snowscape!!
oh that scovillain + murkrow combo is SO dumb. i have to do it now. thanks.
Probably need a Update now. Politoad, Ninetails and Drill have been Released in DLC.
If you're running Scovillain in sun wouldn't Solar Beam be an option?
I run my Scovillian with Solar Beam, since it’s usually out in the sun
I feel like if Beartic had just a bit more base speed, it'd be very strong with Rain in this Tera format with its moveset. Decent bulk, great attack and movepool. That base 50 speed is mid. But at least it can switch between Rain or Snow, to a decent TR option. I suppose
Beartic is ironically, too fast for Trick Room.
I'm trying out Barraskewda in rain. While Floatzel is stronger with Wave Crash I find he's very reliant on rain and all his boosts. Skewda works well, is quite fast outside of rain and can get KOs with super effective Liquidation and CCs. The bulk on both are so bad that Sash gives much more longevity on this paper thin sweeper.
I'm really wanting to try Stalwart because I already have 2 speed controllers on the team, Mental Herb Pelipper being one and being able to ignore Amoongus and Maushold's aggro sounds nice. Anyone try it?
Also I love Houndstone-Ttar. People sleep on all the support moves that Hound gets, Sand Rush Howl I really have fun with boosting himself and Ttar's attack to flexibly decide who to twra with that boost. Speaking of tera, Play Rough tera fairy Hound is the best fairy attacker this season so far.
When do you ladder on sv? Would like to see rank battles
I tend to stream it mon, Tues, and Thurs. But didn't this week cause my gf is visiting from out of town
i got matched with a rain team on ranked and when i switched into my storm drain gastrodon before they used flip turn the guy just ened the match lol
I've been running a trickroom "sun" team in singles with disgusting success... so long I don't rise above 1400s. It functions kinda, but its really fun.
Now imagine how good this would be if a Good team builder was making the team.
My favorites are sand and I also like snow because of Glaceon lol, I think that rain or sand might be the best right now tho . I feel like even tho rain mons aren’t as fast as Lycanroc, they have more options but tyranitar is a better Pokémon that pelipper so idk. But snow is slept on for sure it needs to be explored more
I also think that golduck needs muddy water and it can be somewhat better
Is there a ‘battle tower’ or anything in ScVi?? I can’t find it in game and it’s really sad because I feel OrAs had a really fun win streak and ‘boss fight’ tournament which was so great for testing teams. Now there’s no (in-game) testing, outside of showdown which isn’t part of the game. I just feel they’re really dropping the ball on content and they can’t decide whether or not to make a shiny hunting game or a competitive game.
Just make a full game please with it all like you used to, ya know?
Love barraskewda! Missile go fast 😅
Do you think Arctozolt would have been viable if it was in the game?
Considering Electric types can access a STAB Bolt Beam with Tera Ice (they are usually very frail so quadrupling your weakness is a minor issue) not really good compared to Gen 8.
Forever wondering what precisely Game Freak saw in their playtesting that has led them to be so scared for so many years of Hail being decent...
There was a busted hail meta a long time ago in singles iirc
@@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507 Now I've been around a while now and I honestly don't remember a time when hail was the strongest weather. Sand and Rain have consistently been better and Sun really picked up after being underwhelming for a few generations. But Hail has, to my knowledge, never been so good as, say, the Gen V Sand Rush vs Swift Swim meta.
If you remember when that was, do let me know. I've dipped in and out over the years so may have missed it.
@@pieoverlord it was a one time thing that got abused for a short period of tine, I wanna say false swipe covered it and GF changed how a move/ability interacted with it and stopped it from being abusive
I love when rain teams summon rain for my dedenne to ohko them with thunder
Do you know that Drednaw has Shell Smash now?
I know it's not consistently optimal but still
for sandstorm bombirder is dominating on Pokémon showdown with Tera rock and rocky payload
Forgot to mention Baxcalibur become a physical wall under snow
It's funny that you mention how Beartic has never been that good because from what it (seemingly) looks like Beartic has had more tops than Cetitan lmao. (tbf it's more Beartic Rain than Snow but ya know)
I do agree with Cetitan being better overall as a snow mon though, but I do think Beartic has some slight niches over it (mainly being more offensive and hitting harder).
As for your question.. well
I made a Snow Bear team lmao. Didn't get to play it much but was fun.
We know for a fact politoad is coming in the dlc
Weather seems like it’s been less and less relevant each gen (then again it might be placebo after just having Kyogre and groudon again). Typically Ive preferred sand because of the Pokémon on it being some of my favorites like lycanroc excadrill and Tyranitar. Though I will admit I was a sunroom spammer in gen 8 cause of venusaur
You want a tournament with the Cloud/Soil dex? Featutes cash prizes
Before I watch the vid: best weather team clearly has to be electric/fire with the amount of love electricity has been getting over the past 3 gens its undeniable that it clearly is standing somewhere at the top 2, with the types generally high speed, high attack builds you are more likely to get the drop on enemies, especially with regileki, and tapu koko, as well as alolan raichu, the threats gonna be real for anyone without a solid ground type mon to resist damage and only trick room will help you, gonna be harder with the new terra forms, but fires got its spot too, while rain dance teams are clout af, I feel like fire just does it better, while being able to kill more of its not very effective opponents with solar beam, as well as the new grassy terrain, with sunny day working in tandem, would probably be extremely stacked, the speed and sleep power potential with the ability chlorophyll, and the damage fire can put out, that’s a dirty team, but electric team squashes it, but then I’d go rain dance, sand storm even though it has a lot of fricken potential with its cracked side ability of sp def boost, but then I guess fairy field and then snow or something. (Also elec team gets crushed with groudon but most people wouldn’t need me to tell them)
Ive always like floatzel. I wouldnt mind making a team around it
Bring back Lokix the goat! (This post brought to you by the Church of Tinted Lens)
Ive been testing a crit barraskewda team ill drop it below if anyone wants to play with it. Basically u lead with a mon that has follow me or rage powder and barraskewda. Get a focus energy off swap into pelliper and just crit everything with your boosted speed. Gimmicky but but fun.
Indeedee-F (F) @ Psychic Seed
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Follow Me
- Helping Hand
- Psychic
- Trick Room
Barraskewda @ Scope Lens
Ability: Swift Swim
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Liquidation
- Drill Run
- Close Combat
- Focus Energy
Pelipper @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Def / 76 SpA / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Modest Nature
- Tailwind
- Hurricane
- U-turn
- Wide Guard
Palafin-Hero @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Zero to Hero
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flip Turn
- Wave Crash
- Close Combat
- Iron Head
Tatsugiri @ Life Orb
Ability: Commander
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Hydro Pump
- Icy Wind
- Protect
Dondozo @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 116 Atk / 252 SpD / 140 Spe
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Order Up
- Wave Crash
- Protect
In ORAS I ran a Gloom in Sunny Day
Eviolite
Spk Def/HP
Giga Drain
Teeter Dance
Toxic
Protect
Hearing sand rush Lycan is mediocre broke my heart. I love him
Absolutely good Pokémon and doggo but I do miss excadrill
Once the restricted format starts, sun will be king with Koraidon and Groudon. Thank goodness there’s no Venusaur this Gen.
QOTD:
Personally, my favorite weather is sun because i have the most experience with it from gen 9 because of the other weathers, but IMO sand / maybe sun is the best weather
how does everything get a life orb on the same team
Those weren't teams they were examples of sets
The best weather is sun because of past paradox forms, in previous generations I would have said rain
Weather in this generation is really weird in general not just in VGC, in Singles as well weather feels very off, like you very rarely see more than one Swift Swim user in Rain teams due to the lack of options (whereas you could run both Barraskewda and Seismitoad previously, doing both Barraskewda and Floatzel really does not work as well), Sun basically does not use any Chlorophyll Pokemon and mainly just boosts Chi Yu's attacks and it's a good boon for the Protosynthesis mons, and Sand is completely nonexistant (and Snow as well but prior to gen 8 that wouldn't qualify as weird at all).
I am really weirded out by the way weather is present in Gen 9 in the early stages, it feels really unnatural and not at all like Weather
You’ve been making fun of sand, but I think it’s legit good, and gonna get better with the addition of paradox and ruin mons
weather teams are WIERD
At the start of the video you talked about new players who might be starting competitive pokemon on this current gen, but I think you are really gatekeeping or making hard to follow the video and understand why these teams might be good by not breaking down and explaining what the weathers and their effects are. For older players who know the weather effects, very nice and useful video.
QOTD: my favorite weather is diamond dust 😊
rain is my favourite and imo the strongest this gen