I hate conversations like these because people act like hip-hop was the first instance of music in the past. We will never hold any of the other genres to the fire, but we will always hold hip-hop to the fire.
a lot of other genres also haven’t brought as much negativity to our communities as hip hop has. its fine to enjoy garbage but just be honest about it and thats what mainstream hip hop is today.
@@huncho79261000% on that last part but my addition to that is: these conversations never actually go where they need to, yk? it never actually addresses the root and gives an alternative. it’s ridicule and then that’s it yfm? i say this as someone who listens to what most would deem “real rap and not that mainstream shit” if you get what i’m saying. i just wish we would talk with the idea of reformation rather than total destruction.
@@huncho7926You must’ve never heard of Ma Rainey and other Blues singers in the past. They were the OG city girls and sang in the 1920’s. The difference is back in the day they wouldn’t allow our music like that to be mainstream. Black people had to ask white people to record their music.
@@miles2176 Yeah because everything y’all complain about now are the same complaints they had then. They used to be shooting up before performances so many of them died from overdoses. People felt like they were leading people astray because they were talking about having sex with anybody. I mean same shit. The issue is the people who platform it and but it has always existed.
Hip hop raised awareness for certain issues in our culture such as gang violence and police violence which is what hip hop and art in general is supposed to do. Umar’s problem is that he expects an art form to create solutions when that’s the government’s job.
Someone said this and I feel they made a lot of sense. I’m not black American I’m black African and tbh I can understand and relate to/empathize with the black American community to a degree but like the person I saw earlier said it’s not the governments job it’s actually the job of households to fix a lot of these issues that appear to be prevalent in your communities. Like yes the government can and should do something about guns for instance but how they’re viewed or treated by your community stems from how they’re viewed and treated in individual homes. Again I’m an outsider so this is only my perspective.
@@theantisocialsociety7417 i agree that households have a responsibility but they can only do so much. You mentioned guns in your example and you’re right that households play a role in how they’re viewed. However the way they are viewed comes from systemic problems like a lack of gun safety training and laws. Systemic issues like that shape how households view guns which makes it hard for households to properly educate their kids. On top of the fact that a lot of households are more worried about putting food on the table than anything else which comes from other systemic issues. This is something only the government can fix whether that be through gun laws and/or better gun safety education. Changing systems is the first step to changing how households operate.
@@rahmelaskew456010 years and millions of dollars to build one school in Delaware, after over a decade of vilification towards black men and women is not doing much for black people as a whole. As he would put it wheres the result? I’m not against him having problems with hip hop, but he has his own problems he needs to address.
Aside from talking sh-t about Brothas falling in love outside they race and being a living meme, I ain't seen nothing yet, he did have a point in this video until we got to the end of it.
Why does hip hop have this responsibility to help the community but not rock or pop or any other genre? Why are we expecting a genre of music to do something besides give jobs and art?
@@palooski227 that’s not a good enough excuse. Also no ethnicity clings to media and entertainment to save them from socioeconomic issues, generational cycles of trauma, or systematic oppression. Makes no sense. Rap/hip hop is an art form that has given our people an avenue to express themselves without as much censorship as there was prior to it. It shouldn’t be expected to save the entire community, because at the end of the day you can’t save everyone. This isn’t Avengers Endgame.
Because none of those other genres had its rooting in the views and teachings of black radicalism the way hip hop is. It was literally born as a voice for the community, and rappers and corporations have been cashing checks on it with absolutely no change to the culture that birthed it.
all ive seen Umar do is raise homophobia, interracial prejudice and overall poise himsef as a black intellectual while being made into a meme which only hurts black intellectuals as a whole. the school hasnt opened, maybe it will, we have to see what good it does but hopefully he can at least complete that. as of now hes done nothing but talk BS
8:06 Why is Hip Hop held to a higher standard than other music genre? Where’s the bank of Rock, Pop, EDM? Why is Hip Hop not expected to be a positive than just good music like other genres?
This is a dumb question if you know black history. Music was always one of the few engines black people were allowed activism through that could reach a wide audience even when they were considered subhuman. Blues, Jazz, Reggae, and even R&B have often been used for activism. From Charles Mingus to Nina Simone to Bob Marley, black art has always been used for liberation. Rock was also a black art form but as it’s left the public eye, it’s less viable as a platform for a liberation messages. Thus, to see black art commodified, rapidly removing the message and being colonized is problematic. If you don’t see the problem, that’s anti-blackness.
@@HotTaiCurryacting like all those other genres haven’t been commodified is wild. should we criticize rap, or critique the things that have brought it to this state? it seems counter productive to start blaming people trying to express their dire situations through music, instead of the industry that uses their plight for riches. something something capitalism ✌️
Hip Hop has been the voice of a lot of light on poverty and societal struggles. It’s the reason why the 80’s - 90s rap era was so respected and loved. Their was big rappers back then that brought this to attention and made the voiceless have a voice. it’s only been these past 15 years that moved away from that. But there’s still been plenty of rappers that bring attention and positivity. Kendrick, Cole, Denzel Curry, Joey Bada$$ being the most popular examples
Music is one of the most important, and impactful pieces of art. Inspiration matters a lot, for change politically, and socially. Shit its LITERALLY CREATED jobs, and opened doors for Fashion,cinema, animation,tech politics,etc. Inspiration is literally why people invent,and innovate. Shawn does got a point though Although artists can do a lot, it's not the same level of influence as politicians, tech ceos etc etc.
FAX, but he's missing the big point. Doctor's, Lawyers, etc. ARE helping the community and no one gives a fuck. But, as an example, Nipsey does one small thing the whole community is inspired. I believe this is why the everyday person is looking to celebs for assistance in the issues we all face
Umar is not the activist he wants to appear to be. It’s not hip-hops responsibility to be what he wants hip-hop to be. This whole thing comes to fruition when everybody involved plays their part, it’s unrealistic to think the entire black community is going to take advantage of the opportunities that hip-hop has or hasn’t given
Are we talking the music or the culture as a whole, because hip hop was a movement for black people before it became what it has been the last two decades.
I believe he's speaking specifically to the culture, as opposed to squarely the music, which one could easily argue the current state of hip-hop culture is horrible. Shawn can nitpick about the gangster point, but I've personally seen nearly every Gen Z I know irl act self-destructive based on influence from the current culture. Heck, I have 2 close friends who literally work in the schooling system as educators and that's practically all they see amongst the black kids is self-destructive degenerate behavior that most of their non-black peers don't exhibit. Also, doesn't help some of these rappers who promote degeneracy have performed at middle/high schools
@@trillatsunset When you talk about the black kids in these school systems, are these impoverished children, what neighborhoods do they live in, who inhabits the neighborhoods they live in, etc.? Blaming hip-hop for what you see as a massive societal issue is lazy and akin to blaming school shootings on video games. You aren't getting to the root of the problem and are instead looking at rap as the sole issue. Why is it that there are tons of rap fans that don't exhibit these behaviors? White people are the biggest listeners of hip-hop, so why are the white children not exhibiting these views? Why is rap the only music form that gets this scrutiny when there's tons of country and pop music that is sexual and degenerative along with movies and entertainment? Mf real life is gonna get you before some rappers do.
@@BlkStar99 as for the school systems, the people I'm referring to that I've seen were not in impoverished neighborhoods. and even if they were, it wouldn't effect the direct influence that the culture is having on ppl. but once again, any and every issue involving our community y'all have a damn excuse or handwave away. that school shooting analogy makes zero sense and is a false equivalence. as for why white ppl aren't exhibiting these behaviors, many of them actually were, only difference is our community as of recent decades has a habit of excusing destructive shit rather than shaming it. every other community shames the gang culture, the Sexxy Redd type behavior, but nearly every black person I've talked to from Millenial onwards has some fcking reason why that degenerate behavior is okay. why is it every other community can listen to rap, but if someone from their community is twerking in public, doing gang shit, or acting a fool they call it out. why don't we shame the worst of us en masse? you're literally proving my point by deflecting instead of addressing all the damn problems and taking accountability where it necessary. but let me guess, you've got some "you're a coon" handwave reason for excusing the behavior again? there's a reason anyone who promotes ACTUAL black positivity is seen as a square/wierdo/buzzkill
@@trillatsunsetpeople have been blaming and maligning black american art forms for their "degenerative influence" for over half a century, the blues was "the devil's music" and those talented black musicians were all called worshippers of satan, early rock and roll was seen as low class and overly sexual music that put unclean thoughts in your head, jazz was called not music and "directionless noise" made by drug addicts, sound familiar? the music has always been a reflection of and way of coping with the harsh circumstances and realities of black americans, not the cause of them
@@BlkStar99 preach. Its low hanging fruit to blame rap for problems of African Americans. Like black ppl have been struggling well before hip hop. Like we have black ppl selling drugs and committing crimes at pretty high rates before hip hop. Then to your point, why only certain ppl has these problems? Like it lazy to throw all on music..
Some people cant imagine what the advancement of black people can look like. They see individual success as success for the community. Dr.Umar has vision but he doesn’t have enough range to express it in a way that can be impactful. He still has a lot to learn.
That is exactly why no one really takes Umar seriously. He will say something that is absolutely right, and then say something else that is just completely wrong and totally negates what he said before. Every. Single. Time.
8:17 I’m sorry but talking about people isn’t individual….. he’s talking about a whole group that has paved the way for jobs for black people regardless if it’s on a big scale or not
He did say specifically "concrete". Regardless of whether jobs and opportunities were afforded, the socioeconomic position of black people overall has only gotten worse during the 50 years of hip-hop, not better.
@@trillatsunset How is that a hip-hop problem though? Correlation does not mean causation. The socioeconomic position of black people in America getting worse is not because of rappers or hip-hop, and it would be stupid to make that claim when we aren't in the positions of power to make changes through laws, administration, etc., just because black people get successful through the medium.
@@BlkStar99 the title of the topic was "hip-hop doesn't help the black community". if you can sit here and pretend hip-hop CULTURE hasn't done significant damage to our community, perhaps it would be pointless to dignify you with a conversation. hip-hop culture creates influence, influence effects the people associated with said culture. nobody said it causes every problem, but it causes a damn lot.
@@trillatsunset I literally never once said or even implied that hip-hop hasn't done or couldn't have done any damage to black communities. You said that the socioeconomic position of black people has gotten worse during the 50 years of the genre. I'm looking for a good explanation as to how that is specifically in large part due to hip-hop and not a societal problem as a whole. You tried to correlate and pin hip-hop as a reason to why black people's position has gotten worse over the years without any evidence or reasoning that makes sense. The problems in hip-hop exist in the real world outside of the music. (This is not me saying that the music has nothing to do with any problems.)
@@BlkStar99 I never said you did nor implied it, I said you are handwaving or deflecting away from my points about hip-hop doing damage to our community, which I specifically brought up because it correlates DIRECTLY to the topic of whether hip-hop has been beneficial or harmful. remember, Umar used the word "concrete" meaning what long standing and tangible benefits has hip-hop done overall for our community. as far as the socioeconomic standing, our community have become primarily consumer class rather than merchant, which means we spend more than we make. and the majority of what we are spending coincidentally coincides with the same superficial things we promote in the music. hip-hop isn't the main problem for our overall economic standing, but it has played a big toll in how we choose to spend our money. we're among the least likely to invest and fund businesses, and most likely to blow our paychecks tryna keep up with the Jones'. my whole argument is hip-hop plays a major role in why we are no further along as a whole than we should be, and instead of us directly addressing those issues, you're trying to dismiss it
@ 10:30 its an argument to be made that him saying the first two to three generations the first 30 years of hip Hop. Amplifying aspects of a certain kind of lifestyle or lifestyles two young old and in between that hadn't been checked. He's not counting the last 20 years which was a greater change than hip Hop
Why is Hip-Hop always held to this ludicrous standard that no other black genre is held to? Why must Hip-Hop be a net positive or it is purely negative. A dichotomy is created, also again, the argument for individualism doesn’t work because you can really argue that for every other black genre as well. Dr. Umar is intentionally dumbing it down to the worst aspects just to keep his argument afloat. Issues of drug abuse, abuse, misogyny etc can be found in R&B and certain sub genres of pop, Umar and others act like Hip-Hop is the only form of music to be negative in nature. There’s not criticism for R&B for peddling som of the same shit hip hop does, especially under the premise of “what has it done for the black community?” To engage in such a conversation one would have to be dishonest/ disingenuous by omission or by simply playing dumb. Also, yes creating jobs is a net a benefit. As that creation created possibilities, meaning that any black person, given the right tools can find success within hop. So no, it’s no individual, a few successful people doesn’t mean others can’t succeed. Whether it be through fashion, food, property etc. the possibilities are there, but jobs are never a guarantee in any industry-that’s a dumb thing to think.
He really said two to three generation of black men wants to be gangster like the top 3 rappers of this generation not even gangster rappers like that’s contradiction in itself
Problem with that, how many people are trying to be like them? And ppl only started only started respecting some of that big 3 when they put on the "I'm hard" persona
18:18 well it’s actually everyone’s responsibility because we all benefit from activism why is it fair that the responsibility falls on working class people. The progress we have now is because the sacrifices these people make. If we are going to shower people with money and our attention we absolutely should hold them to a standard if not why make them so successful in the first place when there are people out here who actually do love their community with just as much talent I’d rather give them resources. I’m so glad the music industry is crumbling so we can stop making industry puppets rich and real artists can come back.
I feel like if Umar just learned a little about Marxian economics, he'd become the most potent black activist. He was cooking like a Michellen chef most of his rant, but couldn't bowtie it without fufu "music influence life" bullshit 😔
Let's be honest you're not going to be affected in any way from an industry if you don't have your own work and sweat in it. That goes for anything that isn't initially charitable. Hip hop is a music genre music is an art if you have any foot in the art you will benefit it's not rocket science "hip hop has only made individuals rich" literally so does everything else. I'm not asking what being a mechanic has done for a community of people who aren't all mechanics, I'm not asking a what being a astronaut has done for a community of people who are astronauts. You wanna profit off of something you have no hand in at the end of the day. That's entitlement. The individuals that profit off music in general are most likely in the music business. Country music ain't making every white person rich it's making the people who are in the country music business rich because they work for it. It's That simple.
Hip hop is one of my favorite genres, but that does not mean we can deny how it is viewed as a whole and was is normally pushed. There are definitely positives in hip hop, but right now in forefront we see what is heavily pushed. Let’s not be delusional
Is “kids want to be gansters bc of gangster rap” not even more individualist than what the other guy said?? “Some kids are choosing a life of crime bc of ONE specific flavor of hip hop”
Umar is a joke but he's definitely right about this. but also hes putting too much pressure on hip hop. What other genre of music would you depend on to create institutions of wealth for the community that consumes that music. It's an odd question to ask
I feel you, but I somewhat agree with Shawn. I feel like even if rappers try’s to push a positive message, they’ll still be no hope. People are going to be gangsters regardless atp, the only thing you can do is try. A lot of rappers or entertainers that tried to push positive messages, nobody changed
@@tdub6542you’re not wrong but I do feel at some point if rappers are giving up hope then we can’t be mad when someone says and ask what has rap done for our community idk
@@LobsterAndScrimp I do agree with Umar that rap/hip hop hasn’t done much for the community in terms of institutions, but I feel like we shouldn’t just hold them accountable only as if there other field that black ppl are in who also can help the community one by one. But at the same time if I was an entertainer/rapper I’d help my community as well so🤷🏾♂️😂
Umar is right. What we see primarily in hip hop is to push violence. I absolutely love the genre, but I know how impressionable youth would view hip hop. It’s unfortunate but it’s the truth. We know it’s not perfect, but we can speak about the unanimous view of the genre. Instead of saying “holy sh*t, what’s the point?” Actually make a point… you’re sighing and laughing but like what’s the counter?
I feel like even if rappers try’s to push a positive message, they’ll still be no hope. People are going to be gangsters regardless atp, the only thing you can do is try. A lot of rappers or entertainers that tried to push positive messages, nobody changed
@@tdub6542 but what it is much more heavily promoted. I’m someone who listens to mostly Yachty, Veeze, Lucki and etc. We know that hip hop is much more sub genres and different views, but we know what is at the forefront. I don’t ppl to chip away hip hop and disregard all the greatness and positivity that is within hip hop, but we can’t ignore how what is mostly promoted.
he’s laughing because you are actually so slow in the head if u thought what he said was right. According to your logic, all shooter games cause mass shootings, all horror movies make serial killers, rock music makes ppl wanna worship the devil. Reality is the youth is impressionable to everything and an art form such as hip hop should not be the main subject looked at as to what misguides these kids
@@titanslammer duh dummy we knew that is not always the direct causation, but we know it can be a factor that largely plays into it. You still said nothing of value dumbass. You said the basic level of nothingness and disproved nothing.
@@titanslammer you’re actually remedial. We know that the genre itself is not a direct causation of the violence. I am speaking about how ppl view the genre, idiot. You really added nothing to the conversation.
I hate conversations like these because people act like hip-hop was the first instance of music in the past. We will never hold any of the other genres to the fire, but we will always hold hip-hop to the fire.
a lot of other genres also haven’t brought as much negativity to our communities as hip hop has. its fine to enjoy garbage but just be honest about it and thats what mainstream hip hop is today.
@@huncho79261000% on that last part but my addition to that is: these conversations never actually go where they need to, yk? it never actually addresses the root and gives an alternative. it’s ridicule and then that’s it yfm? i say this as someone who listens to what most would deem “real rap and not that mainstream shit” if you get what i’m saying. i just wish we would talk with the idea of reformation rather than total destruction.
@@huncho7926You must’ve never heard of Ma Rainey and other Blues singers in the past. They were the OG city girls and sang in the 1920’s. The difference is back in the day they wouldn’t allow our music like that to be mainstream. Black people had to ask white people to record their music.
@kaymitchell6143 you think the city girls is the only thing that we consider garbage about hip hop today
@@miles2176 Yeah because everything y’all complain about now are the same complaints they had then. They used to be shooting up before performances so many of them died from overdoses. People felt like they were leading people astray because they were talking about having sex with anybody. I mean same shit. The issue is the people who platform it and but it has always existed.
Hip hop raised awareness for certain issues in our culture such as gang violence and police violence which is what hip hop and art in general is supposed to do. Umar’s problem is that he expects an art form to create solutions when that’s the government’s job.
Someone said this and I feel they made a lot of sense.
I’m not black American I’m black African and tbh I can understand and relate to/empathize with the black American community to a degree but like the person I saw earlier said it’s not the governments job it’s actually the job of households to fix a lot of these issues that appear to be prevalent in your communities.
Like yes the government can and should do something about guns for instance but how they’re viewed or treated by your community stems from how they’re viewed and treated in individual homes.
Again I’m an outsider so this is only my perspective.
@@theantisocialsociety7417 i agree that households have a responsibility but they can only do so much. You mentioned guns in your example and you’re right that households play a role in how they’re viewed. However the way they are viewed comes from systemic problems like a lack of gun safety training and laws. Systemic issues like that shape how households view guns which makes it hard for households to properly educate their kids. On top of the fact that a lot of households are more worried about putting food on the table than anything else which comes from other systemic issues. This is something only the government can fix whether that be through gun laws and/or better gun safety education. Changing systems is the first step to changing how households operate.
It also pretty much promotes and glorified those things too lol
Raised awareness ? Sure, that’s past tense. Today, Hip Hop glorifies it.
Nah the solutions gotta come from us. The government played an instrumental role in Destroying the Black community.
What has Dr Umar done for black people other than talk and take their money?
I mean he is building a school that's bout finished for black young boys.
@@rahmelaskew4560while excluding black boys of different sexualities
@@rahmelaskew456010 years and millions of dollars to build one school in Delaware, after over a decade of vilification towards black men and women is not doing much for black people as a whole. As he would put it wheres the result? I’m not against him having problems with hip hop, but he has his own problems he needs to address.
@@PlantisMantis exactly this, Umar only supports straight black boys, he has no care for black women or black LGBT peoples, hes a selective clown.
Aside from talking sh-t about Brothas falling in love outside they race and being a living meme, I ain't seen nothing yet, he did have a point in this video until we got to the end of it.
Why does hip hop have this responsibility to help the community but not rock or pop or any other genre?
Why are we expecting a genre of music to do something besides give jobs and art?
Because bootstraps. Systemic issues ain’t the government’s job. It’s the job of single parents who never have time to spend with their kids. /s
Great point
realistically bc it’s like our darling, i think that’s why it’s held to a higher standard, well not higher but yk.
@@palooski227 that’s not a good enough excuse. Also no ethnicity clings to media and entertainment to save them from socioeconomic issues, generational cycles of trauma, or systematic oppression. Makes no sense. Rap/hip hop is an art form that has given our people an avenue to express themselves without as much censorship as there was prior to it. It shouldn’t be expected to save the entire community, because at the end of the day you can’t save everyone. This isn’t Avengers Endgame.
Because none of those other genres had its rooting in the views and teachings of black radicalism the way hip hop is. It was literally born as a voice for the community, and rappers and corporations have been cashing checks on it with absolutely no change to the culture that birthed it.
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all ive seen Umar do is raise homophobia, interracial prejudice and overall poise himsef as a black intellectual while being made into a meme which only hurts black intellectuals as a whole. the school hasnt opened, maybe it will, we have to see what good it does but hopefully he can at least complete that. as of now hes done nothing but talk BS
8:06 Why is Hip Hop held to a higher standard than other music genre? Where’s the bank of Rock, Pop, EDM? Why is Hip Hop not expected to be a positive than just good music like other genres?
This is a dumb question if you know black history. Music was always one of the few engines black people were allowed activism through that could reach a wide audience even when they were considered subhuman.
Blues, Jazz, Reggae, and even R&B have often been used for activism. From Charles Mingus to Nina Simone to Bob Marley, black art has always been used for liberation. Rock was also a black art form but as it’s left the public eye, it’s less viable as a platform for a liberation messages.
Thus, to see black art commodified, rapidly removing the message and being colonized is problematic. If you don’t see the problem, that’s anti-blackness.
@@HotTaiCurryacting like all those other genres haven’t been commodified is wild. should we criticize rap, or critique the things that have brought it to this state? it seems counter productive to start blaming people trying to express their dire situations through music, instead of the industry that uses their plight for riches. something something capitalism ✌️
Hip Hop has been the voice of a lot of light on poverty and societal struggles. It’s the reason why the 80’s - 90s rap era was so respected and loved. Their was big rappers back then that brought this to attention and made the voiceless have a voice. it’s only been these past 15 years that moved away from that. But there’s still been plenty of rappers that bring attention and positivity. Kendrick, Cole, Denzel Curry, Joey Bada$$ being the most popular examples
Have that conversation with killer Mike
Music is one of the most important, and impactful pieces of art.
Inspiration matters a lot, for change politically, and socially.
Shit its LITERALLY CREATED jobs, and opened doors for Fashion,cinema, animation,tech politics,etc.
Inspiration is literally why people invent,and innovate.
Shawn does got a point though
Although artists can do a lot, it's not the same level of influence as politicians, tech ceos etc etc.
Hip Hop has it moments, but just like anime, it has a ton of garbage that takes away from the genre.
That perfectly sums it up actually to the point
The good def outweighs the bad tho
@@bezzytv4625 maybe at some point in time but not right now
That's really every genre tho
Not really tho
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FAX, but he's missing the big point. Doctor's, Lawyers, etc. ARE helping the community and no one gives a fuck. But, as an example, Nipsey does one small thing the whole community is inspired. I believe this is why the everyday person is looking to celebs for assistance in the issues we all face
Umar is not the activist he wants to appear to be. It’s not hip-hops responsibility to be what he wants hip-hop to be. This whole thing comes to fruition when everybody involved plays their part, it’s unrealistic to think the entire black community is going to take advantage of the opportunities that hip-hop has or hasn’t given
Are we talking the music or the culture as a whole, because hip hop was a movement for black people before it became what it has been the last two decades.
I believe he's speaking specifically to the culture, as opposed to squarely the music, which one could easily argue the current state of hip-hop culture is horrible. Shawn can nitpick about the gangster point, but I've personally seen nearly every Gen Z I know irl act self-destructive based on influence from the current culture. Heck, I have 2 close friends who literally work in the schooling system as educators and that's practically all they see amongst the black kids is self-destructive degenerate behavior that most of their non-black peers don't exhibit. Also, doesn't help some of these rappers who promote degeneracy have performed at middle/high schools
@@trillatsunset When you talk about the black kids in these school systems, are these impoverished children, what neighborhoods do they live in, who inhabits the neighborhoods they live in, etc.? Blaming hip-hop for what you see as a massive societal issue is lazy and akin to blaming school shootings on video games. You aren't getting to the root of the problem and are instead looking at rap as the sole issue. Why is it that there are tons of rap fans that don't exhibit these behaviors? White people are the biggest listeners of hip-hop, so why are the white children not exhibiting these views? Why is rap the only music form that gets this scrutiny when there's tons of country and pop music that is sexual and degenerative along with movies and entertainment? Mf real life is gonna get you before some rappers do.
@@BlkStar99 as for the school systems, the people I'm referring to that I've seen were not in impoverished neighborhoods. and even if they were, it wouldn't effect the direct influence that the culture is having on ppl. but once again, any and every issue involving our community y'all have a damn excuse or handwave away. that school shooting analogy makes zero sense and is a false equivalence. as for why white ppl aren't exhibiting these behaviors, many of them actually were, only difference is our community as of recent decades has a habit of excusing destructive shit rather than shaming it. every other community shames the gang culture, the Sexxy Redd type behavior, but nearly every black person I've talked to from Millenial onwards has some fcking reason why that degenerate behavior is okay. why is it every other community can listen to rap, but if someone from their community is twerking in public, doing gang shit, or acting a fool they call it out. why don't we shame the worst of us en masse? you're literally proving my point by deflecting instead of addressing all the damn problems and taking accountability where it necessary. but let me guess, you've got some "you're a coon" handwave reason for excusing the behavior again? there's a reason anyone who promotes ACTUAL black positivity is seen as a square/wierdo/buzzkill
@@trillatsunsetpeople have been blaming and maligning black american art forms for their "degenerative influence" for over half a century, the blues was "the devil's music" and those talented black musicians were all called worshippers of satan, early rock and roll was seen as low class and overly sexual music that put unclean thoughts in your head, jazz was called not music and "directionless noise" made by drug addicts, sound familiar?
the music has always been a reflection of and way of coping with the harsh circumstances and realities of black americans, not the cause of them
@@BlkStar99 preach. Its low hanging fruit to blame rap for problems of African Americans. Like black ppl have been struggling well before hip hop. Like we have black ppl selling drugs and committing crimes at pretty high rates before hip hop. Then to your point, why only certain ppl has these problems? Like it lazy to throw all on music..
Some people cant imagine what the advancement of black people can look like. They see individual success as success for the community. Dr.Umar has vision but he doesn’t have enough range to express it in a way that can be impactful. He still has a lot to learn.
22:00 presidential candidates bring rappers out AS ENTERTAINERS. Meg thee stailion didn’t do a speech, she did a performance
The corporatization of hiphop has been a net negative for the black community. Not to be reductive, just being results oriented.
That is exactly why no one really takes Umar seriously. He will say something that is absolutely right, and then say something else that is just completely wrong and totally negates what he said before. Every. Single. Time.
As an Umar fan he's definitely hypocritical in that aspect, bro literally says all this shit but like broski what have YOU done.
8:17 I’m sorry but talking about people isn’t individual….. he’s talking about a whole group that has paved the way for jobs for black people regardless if it’s on a big scale or not
He did say specifically "concrete". Regardless of whether jobs and opportunities were afforded, the socioeconomic position of black people overall has only gotten worse during the 50 years of hip-hop, not better.
@@trillatsunset How is that a hip-hop problem though? Correlation does not mean causation. The socioeconomic position of black people in America getting worse is not because of rappers or hip-hop, and it would be stupid to make that claim when we aren't in the positions of power to make changes through laws, administration, etc., just because black people get successful through the medium.
@@BlkStar99 the title of the topic was "hip-hop doesn't help the black community". if you can sit here and pretend hip-hop CULTURE hasn't done significant damage to our community, perhaps it would be pointless to dignify you with a conversation. hip-hop culture creates influence, influence effects the people associated with said culture. nobody said it causes every problem, but it causes a damn lot.
@@trillatsunset I literally never once said or even implied that hip-hop hasn't done or couldn't have done any damage to black communities. You said that the socioeconomic position of black people has gotten worse during the 50 years of the genre. I'm looking for a good explanation as to how that is specifically in large part due to hip-hop and not a societal problem as a whole. You tried to correlate and pin hip-hop as a reason to why black people's position has gotten worse over the years without any evidence or reasoning that makes sense. The problems in hip-hop exist in the real world outside of the music. (This is not me saying that the music has nothing to do with any problems.)
@@BlkStar99 I never said you did nor implied it, I said you are handwaving or deflecting away from my points about hip-hop doing damage to our community, which I specifically brought up because it correlates DIRECTLY to the topic of whether hip-hop has been beneficial or harmful. remember, Umar used the word "concrete" meaning what long standing and tangible benefits has hip-hop done overall for our community. as far as the socioeconomic standing, our community have become primarily consumer class rather than merchant, which means we spend more than we make. and the majority of what we are spending coincidentally coincides with the same superficial things we promote in the music.
hip-hop isn't the main problem for our overall economic standing, but it has played a big toll in how we choose to spend our money. we're among the least likely to invest and fund businesses, and most likely to blow our paychecks tryna keep up with the Jones'. my whole argument is hip-hop plays a major role in why we are no further along as a whole than we should be, and instead of us directly addressing those issues, you're trying to dismiss it
@ 10:30 its an argument to be made that him saying the first two to three generations the first 30 years of hip Hop. Amplifying aspects of a certain kind of lifestyle or lifestyles two young old and in between that hadn't been checked. He's not counting the last 20 years which was a greater change than hip Hop
Why is Hip-Hop always held to this ludicrous standard that no other black genre is held to? Why must Hip-Hop be a net positive or it is purely negative. A dichotomy is created, also again, the argument for individualism doesn’t work because you can really argue that for every other black genre as well. Dr. Umar is intentionally dumbing it down to the worst aspects just to keep his argument afloat. Issues of drug abuse, abuse, misogyny etc can be found in R&B and certain sub genres of pop, Umar and others act like Hip-Hop is the only form of music to be negative in nature. There’s not criticism for R&B for peddling som of the same shit hip hop does, especially under the premise of “what has it done for the black community?” To engage in such a conversation one would have to be dishonest/ disingenuous by omission or by simply playing dumb. Also, yes creating jobs is a net a benefit. As that creation created possibilities, meaning that any black person, given the right tools can find success within hop. So no, it’s no individual, a few successful people doesn’t mean others can’t succeed. Whether it be through fashion, food, property etc. the possibilities are there, but jobs are never a guarantee in any industry-that’s a dumb thing to think.
He really said two to three generation of black men wants to be gangster like the top 3 rappers of this generation not even gangster rappers like that’s contradiction in itself
Problem with that, how many people are trying to be like them? And ppl only started only started respecting some of that big 3 when they put on the "I'm hard" persona
18:18 well it’s actually everyone’s responsibility because we all benefit from activism why is it fair that the responsibility falls on working class people. The progress we have now is because the sacrifices these people make. If we are going to shower people with money and our attention we absolutely should hold them to a standard if not why make them so successful in the first place when there are people out here who actually do love their community with just as much talent I’d rather give them resources. I’m so glad the music industry is crumbling so we can stop making industry puppets rich and real artists can come back.
Damn Shawn cooked up in this
Dr Umar would you ask the same thing of other genres like The Blues? Or Reggae music??
When will he come live next?
taking this moment to tell everyone go listen to ghais guevara, still lots of people using rap for activism
Shawn speakin facts.
I feel like if Umar just learned a little about Marxian economics, he'd become the most potent black activist. He was cooking like a Michellen chef most of his rant, but couldn't bowtie it without fufu "music influence life" bullshit 😔
Let's be honest you're not going to be affected in any way from an industry if you don't have your own work and sweat in it. That goes for anything that isn't initially charitable. Hip hop is a music genre music is an art if you have any foot in the art you will benefit it's not rocket science "hip hop has only made individuals rich" literally so does everything else. I'm not asking what being a mechanic has done for a community of people who aren't all mechanics, I'm not asking a what being a astronaut has done for a community of people who are astronauts. You wanna profit off of something you have no hand in at the end of the day. That's entitlement. The individuals that profit off music in general are most likely in the music business. Country music ain't making every white person rich it's making the people who are in the country music business rich because they work for it. It's That simple.
Hip hop is one of my favorite genres, but that does not mean we can deny how it is viewed as a whole and was is normally pushed. There are definitely positives in hip hop, but right now in forefront we see what is heavily pushed. Let’s not be delusional
Is “kids want to be gansters bc of gangster rap” not even more individualist than what the other guy said?? “Some kids are choosing a life of crime bc of ONE specific flavor of hip hop”
“Dr” Umar is a one trick pony
I might be misremembering, but hasn't Kendrick donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to charities and directly to Compton?
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Umar is a joke but he's definitely right about this. but also hes putting too much pressure on hip hop. What other genre of music would you depend on to create institutions of wealth for the community that consumes that music. It's an odd question to ask
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I was trying to explain Umar point is all lol I stand by it btw
I feel you, but I somewhat agree with Shawn. I feel like even if rappers try’s to push a positive message, they’ll still be no hope. People are going to be gangsters regardless atp, the only thing you can do is try. A lot of rappers or entertainers that tried to push positive messages, nobody changed
@@tdub6542you’re not wrong but I do feel at some point if rappers are giving up hope then we can’t be mad when someone says and ask what has rap done for our community idk
@@LobsterAndScrimp I do agree with Umar that rap/hip hop hasn’t done much for the community in terms of institutions, but I feel like we shouldn’t just hold them accountable only as if there other field that black ppl are in who also can help the community one by one.
But at the same time if I was an entertainer/rapper I’d help my community as well so🤷🏾♂️😂
Umar is right. What we see primarily in hip hop is to push violence. I absolutely love the genre, but I know how impressionable youth would view hip hop. It’s unfortunate but it’s the truth.
We know it’s not perfect, but we can speak about the unanimous view of the genre. Instead of saying “holy sh*t, what’s the point?” Actually make a point… you’re sighing and laughing but like what’s the counter?
I feel like even if rappers try’s to push a positive message, they’ll still be no hope. People are going to be gangsters regardless atp, the only thing you can do is try. A lot of rappers or entertainers that tried to push positive messages, nobody changed
@@tdub6542 but what it is much more heavily promoted. I’m someone who listens to mostly Yachty, Veeze, Lucki and etc. We know that hip hop is much more sub genres and different views, but we know what is at the forefront.
I don’t ppl to chip away hip hop and disregard all the greatness and positivity that is within hip hop, but we can’t ignore how what is mostly promoted.
he’s laughing because you are actually so slow in the head if u thought what he said was right. According to your logic, all shooter games cause mass shootings, all horror movies make serial killers, rock music makes ppl wanna worship the devil. Reality is the youth is impressionable to everything and an art form such as hip hop should not be the main subject looked at as to what misguides these kids
@@titanslammer duh dummy we knew that is not always the direct causation, but we know it can be a factor that largely plays into it. You still said nothing of value dumbass. You said the basic level of nothingness and disproved nothing.
@@titanslammer you’re actually remedial. We know that the genre itself is not a direct causation of the violence. I am speaking about how ppl view the genre, idiot. You really added nothing to the conversation.
How many adds you put in this video.
Mouse is so damn annoying even before watching thos video im taking the opposite stance to him.
Do you like EVERY song by any artist? 🤔
I missed the point of this comment.. 🙄
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