I love that CoG, soon as you slid forward when you were explaining the ergo's the nose dipped and the skid lifted. Thats extremely more noticeable compared to other brands. I think Arctic cat has done a great job with this new chassis. Cant wait to wrap my legs over the seat and try this out.
Hanging out off the side while riding hard...... love this about the Catalyst.... Narrow between the knees as you experienced. Glad you are a true trail rider that can share that info. Thanks. The BEST part of riding hard is hanging it out inside the corners on the Edge!!
Fantastic video. Probably one of the most exciting launches in the last several years because it is truly totally new! Also it’s from a manufacturer who hasn’t had an “all-new” chassis in a LONG time! Great to see!! Thanks for bringing us the top notch content guys!!! Snows in the forecast for Manitoba this week!!! Let’s go!!!!
Because I'm not into rolling the dice on someone's first year of a new motor. Not with cars or pickups, and DEFINITELY not with a strung-out 2 stroke. Too many people have been left with a ruined season because of faulty designs and I'm not gonna be one of them.@@bedlambikes
Great walk-around, and yes I'm in agreement with you over the riot front end, I like a wider stance for handling on a sled that will be on and off trail, as it's a small trade off for off trail.
Love the look of the Catalyst. If i’d go 2-stroke this would be the one to go against the Lynx for me. The silencer is hilariously large and the belt drive is a great step away from chain if it’ll last as long as they claim.
Great review as always I really enjoy your channel. I would love for you guys to explain a little more about the steel bulkhead frame design. Most snowmobilers are gearheads and I think we would love to understand this technology a little better. Thx boys!!
Luke I always have loved your reviews for so many years now. Another great one. I will disagree with only 1 point you made and that is on the width of the ski stance on this unit. I love ZR full width for aggressive trailed blasting but on this sled I can imagine myself riding hard on the trails but still having that slightly narrower stance for all the off trail boondocking I do here in Alberta. Our trails get groomed less then they do in Ontario. Some time we have a foot of fresh powder and the narrower stance is mor playful if you know what I mean (I know you do).
Can't wait till mine shows up... Hoping in the next week or two the dealership calls me to tell me to pick it up, haven't decided if I'm gonna trade it in or keep it and order an 858 in March
Great analysis and discussion of the new design. This is just an excellent video for snowmobile nerds. I'm excited about this chassis and really want to ride this sled and the Alpha 600. Can't see justifying a purchase when I already have a beloved 600 that only sees a handful of rides per year. And super hard for me to consider buying a sled with no SHOT - battery and starter are a heavy and high-maintenance poor substitute. I would have to test ride one and fall in love...and then come up with some excuses. So, it could happen.
Great review Luke thanks. Getting very excited for snowmobile season 🇨🇦. I am considering a newer or brand new machine this year to get more seat time. I am thinking this sled may be perfect after watching this video. Cat has done a lot of work to build a new design machine. I like that belt system and ease of access panels, riding position and being able to move around. Plus their 600 is a great engine! Now to find a dealer that will have one
Back in '04 I bought (and still have) a Ski-Doo 800 Summit X. The C.G. of the Rev chassis was amazing compared to anything else I rode prior. That was 20 years ago. Today's sleds must be phenomenal!
Good looking sled and I think, would be a monster with the new 858. I ride Upper Michigan so trails and "off trail" conditions that are actually "on trail" lol. I like the way it looks - should match the Carharts for riding nicely.
Just getting into snowmobiling after about 15 years of not riding. Got the old 2002 SXViper fired up and in running order. But damn i wish i could tryout one of these new sleds just to see what its like😂 they seem killer!
The twin rail Riots were never slide-action. It was spec'd that in the 2020 literature, but never made it to production. We'll see what shows up for 2024!
Interesting to hear Luke's opinion on the narrower front end. I guess i would assume that the 3(?) Less inches of width than the ZR wouldn't make that much of a difference. Does it induce more inside ski lift? He seemed to have good things to say about the ZRXC front end, I'm genuinely curious to know what the on trail difference is.
Great review, but I don’t understand the complaint about the set-up. I’d say this sled is about as good of a 50-50 crossover you could ever buy stock. The 39” stance (sway bar) is right between the 36” (non sway bar) mountain stance and the 42” trail stance. They offer a couple track options last year it was a 1.6” Cobra for more trail or a 1.75” for a little more off trail. I noticed for 2025 the options just changed to a 1.35” or 1.75”. I just purchased the sled you are reviewing here, but with a 1.75” track. I have not ridden it yet, but with low snow this year the spring deals were good.
Honestly that muffler is not as bad to me as BRP mufflers. BRP engineers sculpted some kind of weird modern art project and managed to completely fill the compartment so that the plastic would burn every time you lay the sled over. Cat on the other hand just squashed a cylinder and there is space for days. Happy to see what Cat is up to. First time I've seriously considered one... now gotta hope my dealership sticks around.
I come from an automotive background and I compare BRP's products to something like a Volvo or a Volkswagen, while Polaris and Cat are more like a Ford or GM.
The issue with the lack of the new gauge and other features is that the price points are the same. If the machine was more bare bones and the price reflected that, I doubt you'd see complaints. Unfortunately, much like rest of the industry, all the machines are pretty close to price regardless of where each manufacturer is on the amenities spectrum.
Any chance to race it on the lake again the Bombardier 600 MXZ with 130 hp only and estimate . Thank you for the content and since Yamaha will not build new sled this will give Articat the chance to prove themselves they are back.👏💪🇨🇦😎
Hey what’s with the thumb holes on the FXR jacket? I’d personally cut them out for weight savings! Anyways good review like the tech will consider AC in year two if everything holds up
I was kind of wa ting a Riot for '25 , but with that narrow front end I don't know. Since you've now ridden the Riot and the ZR . how do they compare ? Is the narrow front end tippy ?
For the guy that needs the wide front there's the zr Riot has to be ok in multiple conditions. I too like the two different versions for more exactness. I bet they go back to it in 2025 full production with actual motors Hopefully the mountain version has a twin rail still
It's a shame that the Catalyst doesn't get their new 850 this model year, that's actually something me, as someone who has barely even tried arctic cats in the past, is very interested in. The 600 will probably be pretty good but im just about looking for that little step more, honestly kinda wish someone would make a 700 engine or something
Funny thing… to me the biggest turn off with the riot platform was the slide action skid frame having the wide front end as I didn’t want the alpha skid. So now other than it having a 15 vs 16 wide track it appears almost perfect.
I personally want a narrow front end on a Riot. If you want a wider stance, buy a trail sled. a crossover doesnt feel like a crossover with a wide stance. Maybe I'm just used to my High Country?
Buying a new snowmobile nowadays is for rich people. I used to buy new sleds back in the 90s. And I drag raced a 634 Puma. 440Z and 340Z back in the 70s won just about every race. Raced in the WSRF racing association. Then in 95 I bought a 700ZR. Raced that for a while. I could beat sleds with larger engines. Then bought a 900ZR in 2003. I was so used to Cat building the larger engines. But now I don’t get where Cat is going. Looks like a nice sled. But 17K is to much money. I would rather get the 200 Hp sled. Of course I hang out with drag racers but not professional anymore.
so the key start thing has been gone for a while on the 2 strokes. they have a start/reverse buttion that likes to break/pop out. 4 stokes still key start
It has a very weird market segment. I don't know any reason or anyone that would purchase the 600 over the lighter 858. Almost always the advantage to a 600 class is weight reduction. Now it doesn't even have that. Clearly the 600 engine needs a redesign as well.
9:46 I can’t tell if that’s your breath or steam coming up from the engine bay, if it’s your breath everyone disregard this next statement. If that’s steam coming from the engine bay from snow ingestion they need to fix that. It was a common issue on the Procross chassis. And I understand it’s a pre production sled your on so hopefully it wouldn’t be an issue on production sleds
Why would you want a 42” wide ski stance for a crossover, it would take the fun out of off trail riding. I even went as far as throwing a 36” stance on my 23 Riot X. Laydown* engine.
Do you still need to say "600-class" when it's actually a 600? I guess you have to now that Ski-Doo offers a 55hp 2-stroke 600efi. But seriously. Love this content. Video quality seems unusually blurry and low framerate on this one, but the content gold comes through.
At 180lbs. The seat is way to firm. It's also too narrow. Stand up and try to grip the seat with your knees. You'll feel the edge of the tunnel and hard tank. Can't even squeeze the seat. The old mtn. seat is much better imo. Sure would be nice if they offered various seat firmness as an option/accessory. It will be good to see the pointed ski loops gone next year. Even the base bumper should be wide enough to stop any whips from contacting the cowl. Sadly most don't. It's going to be a great sled just not yet. Next year.
Poor Josh. Struggling to be positive. Cat just can't get it right man. I do love their sled covers. Use em to throw over my Assault so no one will steal it.
Y are you bewildered that a duel purpose snowmobile that doesn’t handle that great on a packed trail with a huge 146 track / you wouldn’t expect a rx c to perform great in deep off trail snow conditions/ this is basically more of a off trail sled than a high speed trail sled and the trail handling will be slightly compromised in the turns !!
Looks too much like a Ski Doo... but thankfully better looking. FWIW... used to love Cats, but they got so heavy after the original M7-M8 that I knew I wasn't going to buy one, so I went Polaris.
If the catylyst isnt a total flop im buying one for sure. Always loved cat but couldnt bring myself to own a 2012 chassis. Plus its fun to show the competition that Cats still the best.
Sounds like a lame 600 😂 Only issue I kinda have is, there is no Cat dealers around anymore vs Polaris or doo. Polaris service sucked if u had a issue that was a simple fix, I cant imagine Cat is any better at this point with a small dealer network
@ - 🤷🏻 not asking anyone to listen to me . Everyone is different and I would try it over someone’s opinion . I wouldn’t spend $$$ on a sled or not if a guy on a tv show says . Just saying .
Cant wait for the 858 in it.
AND also see the motor in action.
I will be happy if arctic cat makes a comeback in the industry.
Love seeing Cat come out with a new Chassis. You can bet this is going to be a great sled
I love that CoG, soon as you slid forward when you were explaining the ergo's the nose dipped and the skid lifted. Thats extremely more noticeable compared to other brands. I think Arctic cat has done a great job with this new chassis. Cant wait to wrap my legs over the seat and try this out.
Hanging out off the side while riding hard...... love this about the Catalyst.... Narrow between the knees as you experienced. Glad you are a true trail rider that can share that info. Thanks. The BEST part of riding hard is hanging it out inside the corners on the Edge!!
Fantastic video. Probably one of the most exciting launches in the last several years because it is truly totally new! Also it’s from a manufacturer who hasn’t had an “all-new” chassis in a LONG time! Great to see!! Thanks for bringing us the top notch content guys!!! Snows in the forecast for Manitoba this week!!! Let’s go!!!!
Awesome!! It begins!! ❄🌨
I absolutely *LOVE* this chassis. If the 858 is reliable it's first year out, I'm ordering one instead of an RMK. Such a hot-ass snowmobile🤩🤩🤩
Why wait until the second year for the 858? Order a 2025 next spring!
Because I'm not into rolling the dice on someone's first year of a new motor. Not with cars or pickups, and DEFINITELY not with a strung-out 2 stroke. Too many people have been left with a ruined season because of faulty designs and I'm not gonna be one of them.@@bedlambikes
@@208SledHead If you have faith in the brand, have faith in the brand! lolol
The goal with 858 was more relaible Than the Suzuki 800!
So it Will be bullet proof
God I hope you're right, cuz that Suzuki probably would've ran without oil haha
@@miclinda256
Another awesome walk around with all the info you needed. I have to say that is the coolest looking sled on the market IMO. Great job.
Glad you enjoyed!
When you say extra space in there, you wouldn't be hinting towards a turbo now, would you? 😉
No let’s wait and see if it’s dependable first. You don’t place a turbo in a questionable new engine
I wouldn’t waste my time putting a turbo on 600
Artic cat has stepped up their game big time
I liked the hint hint “turbo”
Good looker. Thanks for the great detailed walk around 😊
Thank you!
Best thing arctic cat has done since the f7
Great walk-around, and yes I'm in agreement with you over the riot front end, I like a wider stance for handling on a sled that will be on and off trail, as it's a small trade off for off trail.
Love the look of the Catalyst. If i’d go 2-stroke this would be the one to go against the Lynx for me. The silencer is hilariously large and the belt drive is a great step away from chain if it’ll last as long as they claim.
Glad to see it's a true 50/50 sled like the skidoo backcountry.
Couldnt agree more, we need a Riot and a Riot X. hopefully they bring it back in 2025.
Great review as always I really enjoy your channel. I would love for you guys to explain a little more about the steel bulkhead frame design. Most snowmobilers are gearheads and I think we would love to understand this technology a little better. Thx boys!!
Fair enough! Something to look at in the full review. Stay tuned.
You said Wrap -Doo invented BRAPPPPPPP ! - Thanx for the Vid
I did not hear game changer once! Thanks for the review. I will stck with Assullt
We'll make sure to throw that in for ya next time 😁
This sled is nice I love the look
Luke I always have loved your reviews for so many years now. Another great one. I will disagree with only 1 point you made and that is on the width of the ski stance on this unit. I love ZR full width for aggressive trailed blasting but on this sled I can imagine myself riding hard on the trails but still having that slightly narrower stance for all the off trail boondocking I do here in Alberta. Our trails get groomed less then they do in Ontario. Some time we have a foot of fresh powder and the narrower stance is mor playful if you know what I mean (I know you do).
Want to see a race between the 600 class sleds
Love these TH-cam videos
Can't wait till mine shows up... Hoping in the next week or two the dealership calls me to tell me to pick it up, haven't decided if I'm gonna trade it in or keep it and order an 858 in March
Great analysis and discussion of the new design. This is just an excellent video for snowmobile nerds. I'm excited about this chassis and really want to ride this sled and the Alpha 600. Can't see justifying a purchase when I already have a beloved 600 that only sees a handful of rides per year. And super hard for me to consider buying a sled with no SHOT - battery and starter are a heavy and high-maintenance poor substitute. I would have to test ride one and fall in love...and then come up with some excuses. So, it could happen.
Great review Luke thanks. Getting very excited for snowmobile season 🇨🇦. I am considering a newer or brand new machine this year to get more seat time. I am thinking this sled may be perfect after watching this video. Cat has done a lot of work to build a new design machine. I like that belt system and ease of access panels, riding position and being able to move around. Plus their 600 is a great engine! Now to find a dealer that will have one
Second year 858 with a blow dryer for a solid 200 hp and I'm in.
Back in '04 I bought (and still have) a Ski-Doo 800 Summit X. The C.G. of the Rev chassis was amazing compared to anything else I rode prior. That was 20 years ago. Today's sleds must be phenomenal!
The orange one?!? That's crazy, piece of history right there
will the zr 600 catalyst run with the 2003 f 7 128?
Cat has the best looking "new" sled on the snow this season!
Good looking sled and I think, would be a monster with the new 858. I ride Upper Michigan so trails and "off trail" conditions that are actually "on trail" lol. I like the way it looks - should match the Carharts for riding nicely.
Got to get a new one for this winter
I ride at Night.. It's Cold why do so many sleds come with almost no windscreen?
Just getting into snowmobiling after about 15 years of not riding. Got the old 2002 SXViper fired up and in running order. But damn i wish i could tryout one of these new sleds just to see what its like😂 they seem killer!
No comparison … knees are no longer up to your chest …..
Keep your Yamaha more reliable then this junk
Does the cooling system go through the tunnel?
Have my snow tracks for my Jeep overland rig! Can’t wait to hit some snow. Just waiting on it to fall!
The twin rail Riots were never slide-action. It was spec'd that in the 2020 literature, but never made it to production. We'll see what shows up for 2024!
Do you think it pulls as hard as the Polaris 650?
Sounds like we need to get these out on the lake this season...
@@snowtrax we will find out shortly 🤘146 mountain versions anyways from all 3 here :)
Hows the windshield?
What FXR suit are you wearing? Love the colors!
Pretty sure it is a Boost jacket with matching pants.
Interesting to hear Luke's opinion on the narrower front end. I guess i would assume that the 3(?) Less inches of width than the ZR wouldn't make that much of a difference. Does it induce more inside ski lift? He seemed to have good things to say about the ZRXC front end, I'm genuinely curious to know what the on trail difference is.
We will definitely have more coverage coming!
Can’t wait to see the mountain sled on the snow, running boards are cool, will they hold up? Replacement is probably inexpensive
They Will Hold up!, and not so expensive😊
This is a briliant snowmobile!
The best Arctic has ever built!
”Arctic mecanic Sweden ”
I like the looks of the new design. Hopefully it’s a home run so someday I can try 1
Great review, but I don’t understand the complaint about the set-up. I’d say this sled is about as good of a 50-50 crossover you could ever buy stock. The 39” stance (sway bar) is right between the 36” (non sway bar) mountain stance and the 42” trail stance. They offer a couple track options last year it was a 1.6” Cobra for more trail or a 1.75” for a little more off trail. I noticed for 2025 the options just changed to a 1.35” or 1.75”. I just purchased the sled you are reviewing here, but with a 1.75” track. I have not ridden it yet, but with low snow this year the spring deals were good.
If you were to put the 600 cylinders on the 858 bottom does that work out to a 650? I would guess this is likely coming down the pipe.
Honestly that muffler is not as bad to me as BRP mufflers. BRP engineers sculpted some kind of weird modern art project and managed to completely fill the compartment so that the plastic would burn every time you lay the sled over. Cat on the other hand just squashed a cylinder and there is space for days.
Happy to see what Cat is up to. First time I've seriously considered one... now gotta hope my dealership sticks around.
I come from an automotive background and I compare BRP's products to something like a Volvo or a Volkswagen, while Polaris and Cat are more like a Ford or GM.
I've definitely warped my RH panel because of that exact eeason
Cool
The issue with the lack of the new gauge and other features is that the price points are the same. If the machine was more bare bones and the price reflected that, I doubt you'd see complaints. Unfortunately, much like rest of the industry, all the machines are pretty close to price regardless of where each manufacturer is on the amenities spectrum.
I want my 858! And a G8 screen mod for the thundercat
Any chance to race it on the lake again the Bombardier 600 MXZ with 130 hp only and estimate . Thank you for the content and since Yamaha will not build new sled this will give Articat the chance to prove themselves they are back.👏💪🇨🇦😎
Stay tuned!
Hey what’s with the thumb holes on the FXR jacket? I’d personally cut them out for weight savings! Anyways good review like the tech will consider AC in year two if everything holds up
I was kind of wa ting a Riot for '25 , but with that narrow front end I don't know. Since you've now ridden the Riot and the ZR . how do they compare ? Is the narrow front end tippy ?
For the guy that needs the wide front there's the zr
Riot has to be ok in multiple conditions.
I too like the two different versions for more exactness.
I bet they go back to it in 2025 full production with actual motors
Hopefully the mountain version has a twin rail still
В конце видео,когда завёл,почему справа диодная полоска не горит?🤔
It's a shame that the Catalyst doesn't get their new 850 this model year, that's actually something me, as someone who has barely even tried arctic cats in the past, is very interested in.
The 600 will probably be pretty good but im just about looking for that little step more, honestly kinda wish someone would make a 700 engine or something
I’d say you will see the the riot and riotx option comes back for 25!
Funny thing… to me the biggest turn off with the riot platform was the slide action skid frame having the wide front end as I didn’t want the alpha skid. So now other than it having a 15 vs 16 wide track it appears almost perfect.
Would you recommend I buy a riot or zr catalyst?
Depends if you're staying on-trail or spending lots of time off-trail.
Does the Start button put it in Reverse too or is that feature only on Skidoo's ?
Will confirm.
I think it would be awesome for them to turbo charge 600s for the weight aspect but wanting the power of an 800 while staying light!
I personally want a narrow front end on a Riot. If you want a wider stance, buy a trail sled. a crossover doesnt feel like a crossover with a wide stance. Maybe I'm just used to my High Country?
Buying a new snowmobile nowadays is for rich people. I used to buy new sleds back in the 90s. And I drag raced a 634 Puma. 440Z and 340Z back in the 70s won just about every race. Raced in the WSRF racing association. Then in 95 I bought a 700ZR. Raced that for a while. I could beat sleds with larger engines. Then bought a 900ZR in 2003. I was so used to Cat building the larger engines. But now I don’t get where Cat is going. Looks like a nice sled. But 17K is to much money. I would rather get the 200 Hp sled. Of course I hang out with drag racers but not professional anymore.
Snow already?
We shot this in March in Montana.
@@snowtrax oh good, I’m in Ontario and don’t want snow yet
so the key start thing has been gone for a while on the 2 strokes. they have a start/reverse buttion that likes to break/pop out. 4 stokes still key start
I agree with 2 different models I have an assault but wish I had a 39-41 front end with a 2.25 like the sks Polaris got rid of
where is there snow already that you guys can ride and do this review already?
HAHA! Nowhere near us that's for sure. We shot this in Montana this past March right after getting to ride this sled for the first time.
@@snowtrax Ah I thought so lol I was googling who has snow already and saw Wyoming and the rocky mountains just got 30 cm. Ty for the reply.
@@ATVHOBO Good to hear that it's starting somewhere!!! 🌨❄🏔
It has a very weird market segment. I don't know any reason or anyone that would purchase the 600 over the lighter 858. Almost always the advantage to a 600 class is weight reduction. Now it doesn't even have that. Clearly the 600 engine needs a redesign as well.
I remembrer in a vidéo. You had play a song in youre Christian album . It was awsome❤
9:46
I can’t tell if that’s your breath or steam coming up from the engine bay, if it’s your breath everyone disregard this next statement.
If that’s steam coming from the engine bay from snow ingestion they need to fix that. It was a common issue on the Procross chassis. And I understand it’s a pre production sled your on so hopefully it wouldn’t be an issue on production sleds
I got it. Make sure you ask before you make bunk beds.
17k for a 600. Yikes.
bidenomics
All the hi perf 600’s are that price. Lol
If you ain't rich you ain't ridin
Sad really
@@billyzgoneape at least nothing built in the last three years.
@@JAKDRZR Eh, there are many offerings from Doo in the 13-14K range for a 600R but yeah, certainly not a cheap sport.
Yeah......everyone is waiting for the 858 now lol
Yep
Why would you want a 42” wide ski stance for a crossover, it would take the fun out of off trail riding. I even went as far as throwing a 36” stance on my 23 Riot X. Laydown* engine.
Do you still need to say "600-class" when it's actually a 600? I guess you have to now that Ski-Doo offers a 55hp 2-stroke 600efi. But seriously. Love this content. Video quality seems unusually blurry and low framerate on this one, but the content gold comes through.
I think the front end width will be perfect for my use. Similar to the Axys sks 146 polaris used to make.
tons of extra space in the exhaust area
Obviously not for a 998 :(
Is Cat raising the bar or is it too little too late?
Don't think it is too late to innovate.
Looks good 👍. Let's hope they don't need to add another word to its name plate like Polaris did. "Recall".
Personally, I don't want a crossover with a full width front end. The SBA is too far to the trail side for that reason, IMO.
At 180lbs. The seat is way to firm. It's also too narrow. Stand up and try to grip the seat with your knees. You'll feel the edge of the tunnel and hard tank. Can't even squeeze the seat. The old mtn. seat is much better imo. Sure would be nice if they offered various seat firmness as an option/accessory. It will be good to see the pointed ski loops gone next year.
Even the base bumper should be wide enough to stop any whips from contacting the cowl. Sadly most don't.
It's going to be a great sled just not yet. Next year.
Poor Josh. Struggling to be positive. Cat just can't get it right man. I do love their sled covers. Use em to throw over my Assault so no one will steal it.
Y are you bewildered that a duel purpose snowmobile that doesn’t handle that great on a packed trail with a huge 146 track / you wouldn’t expect a rx c to perform great in deep off trail snow conditions/ this is basically more of a off trail sled than a high speed trail sled and the trail handling will be slightly compromised in the turns !!
Looks too much like a Ski Doo... but thankfully better looking. FWIW... used to love Cats, but they got so heavy after the original M7-M8 that I knew I wasn't going to buy one, so I went Polaris.
If the catylyst isnt a total flop im buying one for sure. Always loved cat but couldnt bring myself to own a 2012 chassis. Plus its fun to show the competition that Cats still the best.
Why don’t you mention it’s a crossover. When you’re talking about the front suspension. Stop being so passive aggressive.
Sounds like a lame 600 😂
Only issue I kinda have is, there is no Cat dealers around anymore vs Polaris or doo. Polaris service sucked if u had a issue that was a simple fix, I cant imagine Cat is any better at this point with a small dealer network
Looks like a polaris.
Looks like a snowmobile.
Why would anyone listen to someone else , try it yourself & if you like it buy . Don’t listen to these guys .
By that logic, why would anyone listen to you?
@ - 🤷🏻 not asking anyone to listen to me . Everyone is different and I would try it over someone’s opinion . I wouldn’t spend $$$ on a sled or not if a guy on a tv show says . Just saying .
It's so tiny