I like the new Catalyst design especially with the 858 stroker motor, but I'm 71 years old, I'm retired, I'd never be able to afford one of those machines unless I won a lottery, that's a fact, I like watching your snow trax show or your videos on you tube so thankyou very much.
@@outfitr9703 I totally agree. I thought the OEMs were focusing on the youth to keep this sport alive 🤔. No one in their late Teens, 20s or even 30s has fun money these expenses toys. I guess the sport has maybe 10 years left. It's been dwindling except for China virus stint.
@@rolstonlarge2808 in 1995 I bought a 700Zr. We raced alot and my dad had one too. Nothing In it’s same CC class could touch it. Heck even bigger sleds couldn’t run with it. It was a rock solid sled. I bought a 2003 900 Zr later. You want to talk about quick. 105 in less than 600 feet.
A little over 25 Cat sleds, across 45 + years of riding, including Ice Oval racing in Canada and the US years back, with Arctic Cat sponsorship. Nice video - thank you. A few miles on my new ZR 858, it handles well for the most part (needs some "weight on the skis" adjustment via the front track shock spring, and different carbides) - overall power is OK - the exhaust valves have a lot of latency at higher RPM, however perhaps the very early issued reflash may address this . The ride, while playing with Atac settings, is good. The vibration that propagates up thru the handlebars, however, is huge. It exists at all RPM's, and most would likely say goes away at higher ones, however it just increases in frequency of course and is somewhat less noticeable. The lack of engineering and design detail here, not to overstate it, is very bad. The same afternoon as the last ride, I spent a number of miles on a competitors sled, same class, with no detectable vibration on the bars at any RPM. So those who indicate it is a foregone conclusion that with weight minimization and hard coupling of the engine and drive systems, it is inevitable, I respectfully disagree. Cat, that I have known, rode, raced, and loved for many years, does some things well. Detailed Engineering Design, proper R and D pre-release, respectful response to critical items like defective clutches grenading (and in a number of cases over the more recent years - reasonable treatment of customers) - none of these are on the Santa good list. These things drive customers away. Let's be respectful, but real.
Great video AJ! I appreciate your insight. That new G8 is really nice and we are huge Garmin fans. The best thing about Garmin's is that no matter what, in all situations, a Garmin always works. Cheers, Jesse
@@sledaddicz it tough to take any of this serious. the majority of this video is about a gauge. the star of the show is the 858. it goes to show snowmobilers are trailer princesses these days wearing skidoo underwear.
can’t wait to see the shootout !! also curious if you will compare oil and gas usage between the 3. I find my patriot 850 uses more gas then the etec. oil is prob not a big diff. love your vids! keep ‘em coming
I live in Idaho and sled in the mountains. I don’t ride trail sleds but I’ve come to appreciate your reviews they are informative and honest. Unfortunately we in the mountain segment have snowest which is biased, dishonest & lack IQ. I do understand you have sponsors to keep happy but don’t compromise your integrity. (Polariswest). Here’s just one example, I listened to snowest’s podcast review of the 858 all 5 grown ass men stated they couldn’t start the 858 in one pull & it was just too difficult for them. It didn’t look like you had any trouble in one pull. Looking forward to your next review.
I rode the Alpha with the GS5 front shocks and didn't experience any of those issues you found, when I rode it. I agree, the Garmin G8 is Awesome! Garmin mostly leads the field in technology. The Majority of all planes are equipped with Garmin Electronics of some sort. I personally like the Garmin G3000 for flying!
Another informative review. I pre-ordered that exact sled and got to ride it in NH last weekend. I loved it. The ATAC shocks on soft make the skid very compliant. It could be better, but I think that is minor compared to all the other engineering advancements and its great looks.
Coming from a ski doo guy, if I was buying a brand new sled like I did in ‘21, I would pick up this sled over my ‘21 xrs 850 that I love and are going to be buried with someday. That 858 is just nasty and awesome!!
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into producing world class videos. It sounds like you feel that a ski change might be necessary. Do you have any recommendations on a different set of skis to try?
Nice to see another competitive new sled from Arctic Cat, its good to see them making their own engines instead of outsourcing. Lets see how they match up to the 850 competition.
AJ, this is what you need to do. do a video of rmotion, pro cc, and a slide action. go through them and show people the skids, and how they work. the majority of the people just regurgitate what you say over and over, but have no clue. slide action wins many races... i think its fine for the layman. when you show the polaris and cat skid side by side. not gonna be that different.
Excellent honest review , glad you liked it , can’t wait to get my ‘25 RXC with the 858 and the Garmin G8 hopefully it’ll be everything I hope it’d be.
I found the light steering a bigger asset on the 858, because you can react quicker. While I don't have a way to compare with competing skids, I agree the current rear suspension is getting outdated. Overall, I think the Catalyst is an outstanding sled. I agree on the G8 - it's very well done, as we'd expect from Garmin.
We were actually able to find some snow in West Yellowstone. I think MN got about as much snow as we got in Ontario this season. Pretty sad season this year for trail riders.
I wanna know if it still has the same hiccup that my 22 MM800 had when getting on and off the throttle?? Pretty excited to try one and see that new gauge in action!
So what I got out of the video is that the engine sounds great, the rear skid is outdated and the ski's cause lift in the corners. I think something was said about the new fangled gauge but I fell a sleep through that part. Only gauge needed are Tach, speedo with odometer, a fuel and temp gauge. Yup Im old fashioned but Im willing to bet most people will play with the fancy gauge a bit ( look what I got )for the first season and then will have to read the manual in 3 years when they remember it has features.
Question for you guys at Snowtrax…why can’t (or won’t) you put out some more context on the new 858 Catalyst? I love your guys videos and have been waiting forever for you to drop some more content about the 858. Seeing more Doo and Polaris videos. Why not the 858????
Okay, not sure what we haven't said. Can you be more specific as to what you want to know? I'm sure I can convince Mark to write something about it and answer your questions. You can post here or email us directly through our website.
My 05 firecat for 15 years was 100% reliable. I beat the crap out of that sled and it took it all. Pulled skidoos to safety more than a few times. My 2020 riot 600 has also been extremely reliable knock on wood. I've pulled ski doos and polaris off the trails never a cat. Im all for reliability and arctic cat has always delivered.
Sledding use to be affordable 😂,im glad i bought my yamaha's. They have been more than reliable enough for me to laugh every time my friends sleds break down
I’ve dumped so much money into this sport since I was a kid just to get a few rides in a year here in Ontario, I’ve now given up hope in the winter’s here. I picked up a new xrs 850 and didn’t get a single ride in this year… paid 20k to look at it, got 6 sleds old & new sitting in the shop I call em my fancy paper weights. Unfortunately travelling to different provinces isn’t much of an option for me so I’m screwed…😂
I get it man...I'm in western NY...I kept my legend trailer and all of my gear but sold sled...no snow...I miss it very much though...gonna keep an eye on snow...it's still the most fun sport I think....when we can
Cool sled. I am sure its big $$$. I hope these manufacturers wake up and realize that current prices are absolutely ridiculous. $20k sleds that you can only use 2.5 months in a year (or Zero months this year in the Midwest) are out of reach for the core of the snowmobile market.
He's completely WRONG on the rear suspension review. I have a 22 Polaris XCR Matrix. The rear suspension on that thing is absolutely AWFUL. I have a 600 catalyst RXC that eats bumps on its worst day compared to my Polaris. These guys are usually pretty accurate, but I'm here to say He's completely wrong on the rear suspension. There's plenty of articles out there that also talk about how good the slide action suspension is for Cat.
I also agree with you. Never understood their hate towards this skid. They do drive all the sleds, so I'm assuming they are feeling things we don't? My buddy has two different Polaris's with the newer skids. He has a Rush Pro and Switchback. I rode both those machines just as hard as they do on snowtrax considering they weren't my machines. It wasn't anything amazing. Gauge clusters were awesome. I was happy to jump back on my slide action. I won't even switch sleds for fun anymore unless it's a sled I have never tried, still haven't rode a newer Doo. I would of this winter if it would of snowed. Would of been the mountain/crossover skid but whatever. Back in the 90s early 20s, my family was Doo only. Now it's a mix of sleds. I like it that way.
@@brandont8114 on the Polaris I have to stand through bumps. The Catalyst I sit right down. Very similar to you I would not get off the Cat, and switch. The difference was night and day
If the 858 is like the 600 Catalyst, I think the ride quality comes down mostly to the shock calibrations. My RXC is exceptionally stiff, even on all shocks on setting 1. I would expect a production race sled to be on the stiff side, but I'm 250+ lbs with gear on, so if its stiff for me its definitely way too stiff for someone 160 lbs. I believe it's in the valving because the Catalyst RXC and Procross 600 RR run the same spring rates, minus the tender spring on the center shock. I don't mind the stiff suspension but it's certainly not for everyone and I think Cat should work on softer calibrations for more compliance on their non race sled trims. Also regarding your comments on the steering, its 100% Cat's skis, I've always run aftermarket skis but the Catalyst ships with 4" single carbides and they are a joke. Curve XS skis with a 6" single carbide made my Catalyst handle perfectly, no matter the conditions.
Sled of the year! The rear suspension is just fine, and the skis? Cmon SnowTrax. Polaris chassis is 9 years old, Doo going on 8. This front end is superior, as well as the belt drive in a trail sled, making chaincase outdated. Also, this is a first year model. First year Polaris and SkiDoo 850's sucked, the 840 needed a complete overhaul and Doo's ETEC needed tweaks for 18.
Rear suspension is fine, but its not the RMotion or Pro-CC. Handling is fine, but it's tippy on hardpack and pushes in the slush, that's not a Matryx or probably the revised Doo RAS-RX. ATAC is fine, but it isn't smart shocks or dynamix. The engine is sounding good, but it won't have the efficiency of the ETEC, and is years behind the Patriot 850 to prove reliability. AC isn't exactly known for overall reliability of its first year sleds. There's no chance it competes with Doo on build quality, accessories, etc. The Garmin seems to be the only standout thing. I give it to AC for innovating and at least trying to compete, but it's not actually competitive unless it was significantly cheaper... which it absolutely is not. You don't get sled of the year just because it's new.
Polaris has the most tippy sleds, they still lift the inside ski on transitions. Polaris has recalled every sled theyve made the last 7 years. The first few years of thier 850 has lots of issues, and they still do. The ETEC is a throwaway motor after 5K miles, 850 sleds plummet in value after 4-5K miles and you see blown ETEC 850's everywhere. This stroked 858 has more TQ across the board. Doo has good build quality, but its a frond end heavy sled with average performance and reliability, and they near 600 lbs wet, 550 for just the 850 N/A. I like my 850 Doo but my 998 is 10 times more reliable.@@CDX7
The Suzuki and Yamaha engines used in Cat's for many years are 10X times the engine anything Polaris or Ski-Doo has ever made. Doo and Poo's Turbo 2 strokes tap out at 230-240HP, the 998 can run 300HP for 10K miles and they still run good. @@miclinda256
U say cat needs a new rear suspension and they probably do. I ride doos and cats back to back and the cat does ride a little harsher not a lot though. The hard seat does it no favors either because ur feeling what suspensions feeding back even more. Dad made his own seat the ride after was much better but still a little stiff. I believe the slid action could be better with softer valving. Another trick with slide action is having ur coupling blocks on softest setting or most transfer setting . Gives a plusher ride really noticeable and pops skies up better lol!! My father and i both big guys im 6’3 270 pounds and i can take catalyst threw the worst trail wide open on soft setting. Same goes for the front feel its valved a little stiff. Well I know it is been riding since i was 5 im now 45. Raced cats for 15 years SX and pro XC with many wins and championships did all mechanical work including suspension. The catalyst feels like a XC race sled. In my experience thats to stiff for most trail riders. Across whooped out trails i love the suspension way it is takes anything i can throw at it but should be on hard settings not soft when doing it. The push sucks with stock runners but easy fix with some 6 inch double runners or a straight 9 inch carbide. Good review Thank You
I love snowtrax and I root for arctic cat, but spending 5 mins of an 11 min video discussing dog collar tracking and tilt sensors doesn't do it for me.
Ok people, why are there so many complete opposite opinions on this sled. The guys from snowwest say that the throttle response is soft on the start and comes on in the mid to top end so to me, that's not linear. Also they say it feels heavy in the front telling me it's not nimble, so what is it? Some say it corners like no other and here your saying it can only corner good it certain snow conditions si I guess arctic will never hold a candle to poo or doo 😅.
I drove a polaris 800 last week for the first time and was linere but I didn't like I got on my 2019 high country and I love how has that midrange power ban reminds of the old dirt bike s where the power comes on.
Snowest was reviewing the M 858 with mtn clutching, 35-37 inch front end with mtn skis, 165 ALPHA one rear skid. Any reference to cornering is completely different vs the ZR and the clutch engagement will be different as well.
I test rode one. No questions the cat is amazing. It handles amazing just by adding new carbides And the sled feels super light. Mind blowing how easy it is to ride this sled super hard.
It has a way to go to match the DOO and POL--- And they both have more upgrades for 2025. Cat still 2 years behind the competition and with shrinking market--can they even survive. I say maybe 2 more years--and if another bad winter in 2025--they will be gone.
Your a clown😂😂 if they would be gone in 2 years they wouldn't have released the chassis! They are behind I will not deny that, but as far as I'm concerned I will much rather take a motor and sled that doesn't reek havoc with recalls and continuous parts and clutches going out. AC is hands down most reliable
@@wko78ms Riding is somewhat irrelevant. I want cat to succeed because competition drives innovation but he does have a point. Why would I buy a sled from Cat when one from Ski-doo or Polaris have proven platforms that have been refined and have large enhancements over them. Arctic Cat is just releasing a 850 class engine in their sleds while the other 2 are now introducing turbos across their whole lineup. Look at the mountain sleds. Why would anyone buy a Cat when you can get a turbo 850. You can pull bigger lugs on a longer track and at higher elevations, it's a no brainer. It would make sense if the sleds were cheaper but as it stands on their websites the 858 Cats are the same price as their top or near top of the line competators. mountain trail and crossover. I know I would rather take a I boost or turbo R sled for the money.
Honestly I think these new sleds look ugly, they are just too blunt up front for me, I prefer older sleds, they just look sleek. I won't doubt the power, ride and handling of newer sleds is vastly superior but give me an old sled every day in the looks department.
I like the new Catalyst design especially with the 858 stroker motor, but I'm 71 years old, I'm retired, I'd never be able to afford one of those machines unless I won a lottery, that's a fact, I like watching your snow trax show or your videos on you tube so thankyou very much.
Thank you!!
Has turned into a rich man's sport. Unfortunately the quality hasn't kept up.
Wait a few years and get a used one at half price. Let someone else take the depreciation.
Yup 20k for a sled, $72. for a gallon of oil, $1000. clothes, ...oh and a pickup and trailer.
@@outfitr9703 I totally agree. I thought the OEMs were focusing on the youth to keep this sport alive 🤔. No one in their late Teens, 20s or even 30s has fun money these expenses toys. I guess the sport has maybe 10 years left. It's been dwindling except for China virus stint.
Cat has always had the sharpest looking sleds. Best colors also
You got that right brotha!
@@ayaleq 👍
In 1998 I bought a 1997 EXT 580 DLX EFI I had it for years and I loved it, the motor had just over 8200 miles on it & was never touched.
@@rolstonlarge2808 in 1995 I bought a 700Zr. We raced alot and my dad had one too. Nothing In it’s same CC class could touch it. Heck even bigger sleds couldn’t run with it. It was a rock solid sled. I bought a 2003 900 Zr later. You want to talk about quick. 105 in less than 600 feet.
I've always been amazed by how different Cat can make green and black look year to year and still make it look awesome.
Bye far the BEST LOOKING
Yep I’m hearing about a supercharged 2 stroke 858! Yep that’s what a Detroit diesel 2 stroke is!
A little over 25 Cat sleds, across 45 + years of riding, including Ice Oval racing in Canada and the US years back, with Arctic Cat sponsorship. Nice video - thank you. A few miles on my new ZR 858, it handles well for the most part (needs some "weight on the skis" adjustment via the front track shock spring, and different carbides) - overall power is OK - the exhaust valves have a lot of latency at higher RPM, however perhaps the very early issued reflash may address this . The ride, while playing with Atac settings, is good. The vibration that propagates up thru the handlebars, however, is huge. It exists at all RPM's, and most would likely say goes away at higher ones, however it just increases in frequency of course and is somewhat less noticeable. The lack of engineering and design detail here, not to overstate it, is very bad. The same afternoon as the last ride, I spent a number of miles on a competitors sled, same class, with no detectable vibration on the bars at any RPM. So those who indicate it is a foregone conclusion that with weight minimization and hard coupling of the engine and drive systems, it is inevitable, I respectfully disagree. Cat, that I have known, rode, raced, and loved for many years, does some things well. Detailed Engineering Design, proper R and D pre-release, respectful response to critical items like defective clutches grenading (and in a number of cases over the more recent years - reasonable treatment of customers) - none of these are on the Santa good list. These things drive customers away. Let's be respectful, but real.
You guys continue to produce the best videos. Thanks for all the reviews, looking forward to the head to head comparisons.
Thank you so much!! 👊💥🎉
You guys are the best! Thank you for your honest reviews.
Appreciate that!! 🙏
Tremendously well done, I'm like a kid in a candy store waiting for my 25 Riot 858 atac g8, very awesome video
Nice to see Arctic Cat back in the game. This sled is a good jump in design and technology for AC. Would love to see a shootout with mountain sleds.
I would bet Snowest or MFR will do a mountain shootout with all these sleds for sure.
Go watch Muskoka Freerider and see the Catalyst breakdown in literally 5 minutes!!
Great video AJ! I appreciate your insight. That new G8 is really nice and we are huge Garmin fans. The best thing about Garmin's is that no matter what, in all situations, a Garmin always works. Cheers, Jesse
this sled is more than a gauge.
@@mikeh4053 forsure it is! But given that I haven't ridden one the biggest thing that stands out to me is the G8
@@sledaddicz it tough to take any of this serious. the majority of this video is about a gauge. the star of the show is the 858. it goes to show snowmobilers are trailer princesses these days wearing skidoo underwear.
Great review as usual. Cat has a nasty little sled with this Catalyst. 600 or 858...... Love it!!
Definitely the best looking best sounding
I bet 20 years ago you would have never imagined that you would refer to a snowmobile's pixels!
can’t wait to see the shootout !! also curious if you will compare oil and gas usage between the 3. I find my patriot 850 uses more gas then the etec. oil is prob not a big diff. love your vids! keep ‘em coming
I live in Idaho and sled in the mountains. I don’t ride trail sleds but I’ve come to appreciate your reviews they are informative and honest. Unfortunately we in the mountain segment have snowest which is biased, dishonest & lack IQ. I do understand you have sponsors to keep happy but don’t compromise your integrity. (Polariswest). Here’s just one example, I listened to snowest’s podcast review of the 858 all 5 grown ass men stated they couldn’t start the 858 in one pull & it was just too difficult for them. It didn’t look like you had any trouble in one pull. Looking forward to your next review.
Was thinking the exact same thing 👍🏻
Bring it! AWSOME SLED!
Sled looks Awesome!!
My dream ride 😎
Good looking sled!
Sounds like they got the motor down.
It's a shame the suspension didn't get s better grade.
That said, the competition is welcome.
Nice. Glad to see it. I have a sneaking suspicion it took two pulls to start. Lol
I rode the Alpha with the GS5 front shocks and didn't experience any of those issues you found, when I rode it. I agree, the Garmin G8 is Awesome! Garmin mostly leads the field in technology. The Majority of all planes are equipped with Garmin Electronics of some sort. I personally like the Garmin G3000 for flying!
Looks Like Arctic Cat has a Winner.❤❤❤❤❤ Snowmobiling.I have Missed it.And Then there were Three.Need Yamaha Back.
Would love to have that display on my sled! Amazing!
Awesome looking machine totally want one
Another informative review.
I pre-ordered that exact sled and got to ride it in NH last weekend. I loved it. The ATAC shocks on soft make the skid very compliant. It could be better, but I think that is minor compared to all the other engineering advancements and its great looks.
Coming from a ski doo guy, if I was buying a brand new sled like I did in ‘21, I would pick up this sled over my ‘21 xrs 850 that I love and are going to be buried with someday. That 858 is just nasty and awesome!!
Nice sled it was definitely needed for cat and also props for mentioning the mediocre rear suspension definitely needs attention
My 866cc ZR was so solid of a engine. 111 pounds of Torque at 7200 rpms made it a torque monster. But you need to get it to hook up.
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into producing world class videos. It sounds like you feel that a ski change might be necessary. Do you have any recommendations on a different set of skis to try?
Nice to see another competitive new sled from Arctic Cat, its good to see them making their own engines instead of outsourcing. Lets see how they match up to the 850 competition.
I think it’s the best looking sled too
Sounds like a set of C & A skis would help it out, made a heck of a difference on my sled
I'm sitting back and seeing how Corporate Arctic Cat handles the "stop production, & furlough of the workers until after the new year".
AJ, this is what you need to do. do a video of rmotion, pro cc, and a slide action. go through them and show people the skids, and how they work. the majority of the people just regurgitate what you say over and over, but have no clue. slide action wins many races... i think its fine for the layman. when you show the polaris and cat skid side by side. not gonna be that different.
Excellent honest review , glad you liked it , can’t wait to get my ‘25 RXC with the 858 and the Garmin G8 hopefully it’ll be everything I hope it’d be.
I found the light steering a bigger asset on the 858, because you can react quicker. While I don't have a way to compare with competing skids, I agree the current rear suspension is getting outdated. Overall, I think the Catalyst is an outstanding sled. I agree on the G8 - it's very well done, as we'd expect from Garmin.
Nice jd spitfire!
I really wonder if the Garmin gauge will be able to retrofitted to the last gen sleds like my sidewinder. That would be awesome.
BTW talking back and forth between GPS we were doing 15 years ago plus, on my last deployment in Afghanistan
I’d like to ride one and test it out, be tough for me to give up that Polaris” hold the line” handling
Trail your on reminds me of one by Williams in Northern Minnesota not too far from the Canadian border.
We were actually able to find some snow in West Yellowstone. I think MN got about as much snow as we got in Ontario this season. Pretty sad season this year for trail riders.
We didn't get much
I wanna know if it still has the same hiccup that my 22 MM800 had when getting on and off the throttle?? Pretty excited to try one and see that new gauge in action!
I do see some discrepancies with opinions of a lot of reviewers but either way more choices are always better
So what I got out of the video is that the engine sounds great, the rear skid is outdated and the ski's cause lift in the corners. I think something was said about the new fangled gauge but I fell a sleep through that part. Only gauge needed are Tach, speedo with odometer, a fuel and temp gauge. Yup Im old fashioned but Im willing to bet most people will play with the fancy gauge a bit ( look what I got )for the first season and then will have to read the manual in 3 years when they remember it has features.
Does it have low end torque/grunt. Or just mid and high end grunt?
Will the shootout be next winter or this winter?😅
How was the top end? Pull hard into the triple digits?
Yes, well above 100, according to Dave McClure in an interview in January. It was a snowest podcast episode.
The gauge is really nice but they gotta move that antenna, it's in the way, wiggling while you ride, intergrade it into the plastics like auto's.
Question for you guys at Snowtrax…why can’t (or won’t) you put out some more context on the new 858 Catalyst? I love your guys videos and have been waiting forever for you to drop some more content about the 858. Seeing more Doo and Polaris videos. Why not the 858????
Okay, not sure what we haven't said. Can you be more specific as to what you want to know? I'm sure I can convince Mark to write something about it and answer your questions. You can post here or email us directly through our website.
My 05 firecat for 15 years was 100% reliable. I beat the crap out of that sled and it took it all. Pulled skidoos to safety more than a few times. My 2020 riot 600 has also been extremely reliable knock on wood. I've pulled ski doos and polaris off the trails never a cat. Im all for reliability and arctic cat has always delivered.
So you're saying give your buddies dog trackers if they dont ride the Catalyst to keep track of them.
Should work😊
Sledding use to be affordable 😂,im glad i bought my yamaha's. They have been more than reliable enough for me to laugh every time my friends sleds break down
Sadly here in Wisco it's almost impossible to justify any new sled especially at the cost now. Love this new car though.
I’ve dumped so much money into this sport since I was a kid just to get a few rides in a year here in Ontario, I’ve now given up hope in the winter’s here. I picked up a new xrs 850 and didn’t get a single ride in this year… paid 20k to look at it, got 6 sleds old & new sitting in the shop I call em my fancy paper weights. Unfortunately travelling to different provinces isn’t much of an option for me so I’m screwed…😂
I get it man...I'm in western NY...I kept my legend trailer and all of my gear but sold sled...no snow...I miss it very much though...gonna keep an eye on snow...it's still the most fun sport I think....when we can
Cool sled. I am sure its big $$$. I hope these manufacturers wake up and realize that current prices are absolutely ridiculous. $20k sleds that you can only use 2.5 months in a year (or Zero months this year in the Midwest) are out of reach for the core of the snowmobile market.
He's completely WRONG on the rear suspension review. I have a 22 Polaris XCR Matrix. The rear suspension on that thing is absolutely AWFUL. I have a 600 catalyst RXC that eats bumps on its worst day compared to my Polaris. These guys are usually pretty accurate, but I'm here to say He's completely wrong on the rear suspension. There's plenty of articles out there that also talk about how good the slide action suspension is for Cat.
I agree with you. Their rear skid is good. Better with genuine name shocks tho
I also agree with you. Never understood their hate towards this skid. They do drive all the sleds, so I'm assuming they are feeling things we don't? My buddy has two different Polaris's with the newer skids. He has a Rush Pro and Switchback. I rode both those machines just as hard as they do on snowtrax considering they weren't my machines. It wasn't anything amazing. Gauge clusters were awesome. I was happy to jump back on my slide action. I won't even switch sleds for fun anymore unless it's a sled I have never tried, still haven't rode a newer Doo. I would of this winter if it would of snowed. Would of been the mountain/crossover skid but whatever. Back in the 90s early 20s, my family was Doo only. Now it's a mix of sleds. I like it that way.
@@brandont8114 on the Polaris I have to stand through bumps. The Catalyst I sit right down. Very similar to you I would not get off the Cat, and switch. The difference was night and day
Slide action is definitely out dated back breaking
Will you be reviewing the new Riot 858??
Might be an in-season review. Snow conditions were pretty slim for off-trail.
@@snowtrax that doesn't help my snow check decision! 🤣🤣
What’s the top speed on that bad boy I’ve got the 600 ZR 2024 and I can only get 90mph from it kinda disappointed lol😂
What i got from this was " suspension sucks engine is good, display not made by arctic cat is awsome, no storage"
Summarized!
Maybe I'm just Old, or a better Rider, I never needed my shocks to adjust too me, I would adjust my riding position to the trail Conditions?! 😂
How much for a windshield. Ridiculously cold
I have an 02 arctic cat, try to convince my mom bf to get this one haha
It’s a great sled but to be honest I prefer snappy throttle response. Instead of linear.
If the 858 is like the 600 Catalyst, I think the ride quality comes down mostly to the shock calibrations. My RXC is exceptionally stiff, even on all shocks on setting 1. I would expect a production race sled to be on the stiff side, but I'm 250+ lbs with gear on, so if its stiff for me its definitely way too stiff for someone 160 lbs. I believe it's in the valving because the Catalyst RXC and Procross 600 RR run the same spring rates, minus the tender spring on the center shock. I don't mind the stiff suspension but it's certainly not for everyone and I think Cat should work on softer calibrations for more compliance on their non race sled trims. Also regarding your comments on the steering, its 100% Cat's skis, I've always run aftermarket skis but the Catalyst ships with 4" single carbides and they are a joke. Curve XS skis with a 6" single carbide made my Catalyst handle perfectly, no matter the conditions.
If it has push on the corners you need to put 9” carbide runners on the ski’s
His comment about suspension shows he is just a reporter and not an actual sledder or he would know how good it really is
I agree. He reminds me a lot of an ameteur of a snowmobiler. Just speaking to make some buzz in front of a 4/10 sorts
Sounds like it needs c&a skis right off the bat.
It is a beauty but will they around I 2026
Probably not. Service and parts will be there, no new sledges though.
Sled of the year! The rear suspension is just fine, and the skis? Cmon SnowTrax. Polaris chassis is 9 years old, Doo going on 8. This front end is superior, as well as the belt drive in a trail sled, making chaincase outdated. Also, this is a first year model. First year Polaris and SkiDoo 850's sucked, the 840 needed a complete overhaul and Doo's ETEC needed tweaks for 18.
Rear suspension is fine, but its not the RMotion or Pro-CC. Handling is fine, but it's tippy on hardpack and pushes in the slush, that's not a Matryx or probably the revised Doo RAS-RX. ATAC is fine, but it isn't smart shocks or dynamix. The engine is sounding good, but it won't have the efficiency of the ETEC, and is years behind the Patriot 850 to prove reliability. AC isn't exactly known for overall reliability of its first year sleds. There's no chance it competes with Doo on build quality, accessories, etc. The Garmin seems to be the only standout thing. I give it to AC for innovating and at least trying to compete, but it's not actually competitive unless it was significantly cheaper... which it absolutely is not. You don't get sled of the year just because it's new.
@@CDX7you lost me at the cat being years behind the patriot 850 to prove reliability. I wouldn’t exactly call the Polaris 850 reliable.
Agree! In Sweden they Come with free sparkplugs and a tow line 😂
Polaris has the most tippy sleds, they still lift the inside ski on transitions. Polaris has recalled every sled theyve made the last 7 years. The first few years of thier 850 has lots of issues, and they still do. The ETEC is a throwaway motor after 5K miles, 850 sleds plummet in value after 4-5K miles and you see blown ETEC 850's everywhere. This stroked 858 has more TQ across the board. Doo has good build quality, but its a frond end heavy sled with average performance and reliability, and they near 600 lbs wet, 550 for just the 850 N/A. I like my 850 Doo but my 998 is 10 times more reliable.@@CDX7
The Suzuki and Yamaha engines used in Cat's for many years are 10X times the engine anything Polaris or Ski-Doo has ever made. Doo and Poo's Turbo 2 strokes tap out at 230-240HP, the 998 can run 300HP for 10K miles and they still run good. @@miclinda256
U say cat needs a new rear suspension and they probably do. I ride doos and cats back to back and the cat does ride a little harsher not a lot though. The hard seat does it no favors either because ur feeling what suspensions feeding back even more. Dad made his own seat the ride after was much better but still a little stiff. I believe the slid action could be better with softer valving. Another trick with slide action is having ur coupling blocks on softest setting or most transfer setting . Gives a plusher ride really noticeable and pops skies up better lol!! My father and i both big guys im 6’3 270 pounds and i can take catalyst threw the worst trail wide open on soft setting. Same goes for the front feel its valved a little stiff. Well
I know it is been riding since i was 5 im now 45. Raced cats for 15 years SX and pro XC with many wins and championships did all mechanical work including suspension. The catalyst feels like a XC race sled. In my experience thats to stiff for most trail riders. Across whooped out trails i love the suspension way it is takes anything i can throw at it but should be on hard settings not soft when doing it. The push sucks with stock runners but easy fix with some 6 inch double runners or a straight 9 inch carbide.
Good review
Thank You
Been a Cat guy for 30 plus years and my thoughts on this new Catalyst, I ride a 2023 XCR now…need I say more.
Never mention the 129 on any sleds anymore???
Not all of us like longtracks..lol.
He just had the 137 he was working with. Photo side rode the 129 all week long.
@@snowtrax thx... Would like to hear that comparison, all the 129's head to head.
Thankyou.. You guys do good work!
I ordered the 129 but I hear no reviews on it at all.
looks like it is pushing through corners really hard
I love snowtrax and I root for arctic cat, but spending 5 mins of an 11 min video discussing dog collar tracking and tilt sensors doesn't do it for me.
So it's still a #3 sled, way to go 🐈 lol
Its better then anything Polaris or Ski-Doo have.
@@burnzillablue I dunno about that but the competition is long overdue.
Ok people, why are there so many complete opposite opinions on this sled. The guys from snowwest say that the throttle response is soft on the start and comes on in the mid to top end so to me, that's not linear. Also they say it feels heavy in the front telling me it's not nimble, so what is it? Some say it corners like no other and here your saying it can only corner good it certain snow conditions si I guess arctic will never hold a candle to poo or doo 😅.
Agree! Take it for a ride, and see what it can do.
I have !…… and its as good as the pooos and dooos
I drove a polaris 800 last week for the first time and was linere but I didn't like I got on my 2019 high country and I love how has that midrange power ban reminds of the old dirt bike s where the power comes on.
Snowest was reviewing the M 858 with mtn clutching, 35-37 inch front end with mtn skis, 165 ALPHA one rear skid. Any reference to cornering is completely different vs the ZR and the clutch engagement will be different as well.
I test rode one. No questions the cat is amazing. It handles amazing just by adding new carbides And the sled feels super light. Mind blowing how easy it is to ride this sled super hard.
Snowest needs to chill. These are prototypes that they rode… clutching, ECU tune, and gearing are all still being tested/finalized
Wait few years g
The computer is destroying snowmobiles
No sound text no test drive🤦♀️🤷🏼♂️it’s a performance snowmobile for go sakes, let’s here it Ricky
All new snowmobiles are so unaffordable. Waste of money for such a short season.
Doesn't sound like you're buying a new sled. Lots of used stuff out there.
There are no 800s anymore
It has a way to go to match the DOO and POL--- And they both have more upgrades for 2025. Cat still 2 years behind the competition and with shrinking market--can they even survive. I say maybe 2 more years--and if another bad winter in 2025--they will be gone.
I'm assuming you rode them all back to back?
Dude if you look at the financial arctic cat has been making excellent margin and filling their capacity to produce them so.....
Your a clown😂😂 if they would be gone in 2 years they wouldn't have released the chassis! They are behind I will not deny that, but as far as I'm concerned I will much rather take a motor and sled that doesn't reek havoc with recalls and continuous parts and clutches going out. AC is hands down most reliable
@@kylepothast8305 yeah that's why you get ac, give up 5hp for a bullet proof sled.
@@wko78ms Riding is somewhat irrelevant. I want cat to succeed because competition drives innovation but he does have a point. Why would I buy a sled from Cat when one from Ski-doo or Polaris have proven platforms that have been refined and have large enhancements over them. Arctic Cat is just releasing a 850 class engine in their sleds while the other 2 are now introducing turbos across their whole lineup. Look at the mountain sleds. Why would anyone buy a Cat when you can get a turbo 850. You can pull bigger lugs on a longer track and at higher elevations, it's a no brainer. It would make sense if the sleds were cheaper but as it stands on their websites the 858 Cats are the same price as their top or near top of the line competators. mountain trail and crossover. I know I would rather take a I boost or turbo R sled for the money.
nice looking sled, but I will stay with Polaris.
Bad to the bone!!
I'm not into electronics
Honestly I think these new sleds look ugly, they are just too blunt up front for me, I prefer older sleds, they just look sleek. I won't doubt the power, ride and handling of newer sleds is vastly superior but give me an old sled every day in the looks department.
Get used one lower price
Buy a snowboard.
Lame
Like your mom