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Kant was just having a "heated gaming moment" when he said those things
These moments show how well someone really is educated 😎
This made me audibly laugh. Thanks for the comment.
philosophers are the most oppressed minority
@@dirkbaldorad3634 I know it s kind of a joke but (referring to pewdiepie) it is also true that someone that isn t "" "native" "American can not really understand the weight of such words because in their head it s just a word, I m telling you because for exemple in Italy were I live there are word associations that are on the level of the n word in America but an outsider if he either hasn t lived many many years in the country or isn t native could never fully process how terrible certain words could be to certain people
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Who are you referring to as """"native"" American"? Aztecs? 😉
Usually, when you learn a word, you should learn it's meaning too. So someone who learns "the n word" should know it's a racial slur.
And if someone hands out slurs like candy then someone seems to have missed out on behavioural education.
"content warning: Racism, hentai"; Just your average fourchan post, then?
>n-word n-word, trap, futa hentai.
T >n-word
So neotare then?
i don't think i've ever seen anyone spell out the 4 in 4chan before...
@@RabidFlaminChipmunks Same.
@@RabidFlaminChipmunks same, it's weirdly disconcerting
the thing is, philosophy IS white, at least under a white lens.
when a black/hispanic person does philosophy, it's called politics.
when an asian/indigenous person does philosophy, it's called spirituality.
sheesh that's some analysis i identified with immediately but could never voice
What happens with middle eastern and pacific islander philosophy?
@@eddie-rooit's called Islamic fundamentalism and Moana
Some classification out of nowhere!
Nonsense, you are just externalizing your racist thoughts against a group of philosophers just because of their skin color.
Some people can separate his racism from his philosophy.
Personally I Kant.
I wasn't gonna like our comment if you didn't put the pun
Commendable effort
Gluemonkey
Did you see the joke that flew over your head? It was pretty high.
No, ur not a Kant.
@@topo161
To be fair, that's the thing of substance he also said, and he decided to care about that instead of *literally just a little joke* , if you can see it that way...
I don' think we should:
the very first rule from which to start talking about any kind of morality to me is: ALL HUMANS ARE EQUAL So, if he creates a "moral system" in which he ignores people of colour or women, presumably also LGBT community I don't want to have anything to do with the guy
I'm a brown female from India and I studied philosophy, and until today, I was pretty certain that no philosopher influenced me more than Kant, and in any casual conversation, he is the go-to answer for 'who is your favourite philosopher'. I am definitely shaped by Kant, and by studying Kant. But, as you said, I never studied about Kant (outside metaphysics and ethics) in class. And that made a strange thing happen in my head -
Anything new I hear about Kant, about Kant the person not Kant the philosopher I studied, feels like information I can easily ignore. I think this is a strange cognitive dissonance - because I have internalized parts of Kant, parts that I considered genuinely convincing and convincing largely because of their universality - all while ignoring that he never meant it in the universal way that I understood it. Its strange and in a way it makes me feel bad for contemporary (problematic) artists, because its much tougher to separate the art from the artist when the artist is constantly making headlines, as opposed to years later, when the problematic parts are all forgotten and left behind and they turn angels after death.
tl;dr - You opened my eyes to something I didn't think I was even blind to.
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EDIT: Thanks everyone who interacted with this comment! I completely missed it because I switched away from using this account when I began to interact more in the YT community. I didn't want my name to be dragged into the toxic internet, but this is actually very substantial. Thanks!
You have a lovely name, lubna
this is a really interesting and insightful comment- how do you think you will resolve the cognitive dissonance now that you're aware of it?
I totally get that. I understood that Kant was racist, but I chose to ignore it. I just summed it up to being part of the social climate of his time. I am also very influenced by Mill and I will have to explore his racist beliefs as well.
I think Kant's biggest mistake was that he opened the door to constructionism, and thus made us prone to fake news and flat earthers. Because after all: "We can never be sure of the _'Welt an sich'_ ".
So here we are: Anything goes in postfact lala land.
He has forever damaged our sense of realism. And without realism, there can be no accountability, responsibility or morals.
Imagine actually taking Kant seriously
It's over Kant! I have the moral high ground!
You underestimate my philosophy.
Don't pragmatize it
"Where is categorical?"
"You killed her"
*synthetic a priori NOOOOOO*
You underestimate my utilitarianism
based on kant's theories about the female mind, i'm just going to assume that the face a woman makes when she's thinking "shut up" really loud at you in german looks _exactly_ like dumbfoundedness.
It kinda does. -(nOt ThAt I wOuLd HaVe AnY pErSoNaL eXpErIeNcE wItH tHaT)-
LOL what's that in German? Gotta be 20 letters long at the very least.
@@mattgilbert7347 I laughed at first when I saw your reply, but according to Google Traduction, the translation of "shut up" is "halte den Mund, halt den Rand, Halt die Klappe".
@@NIHIL_EGO that's accurate (i didn't think Google translate had it in it
@@NIHIL_EGO Yes, but that's three alternatives: You can say "Halt den Mund" or "Halt den Rand" or "Halt die Klappe".
This reminds me of Jordan Peterson saying something along the lines of "We are all born alone, naked and hungry" in his debate with Zizek. There was something so sweetly ironic about a man who was born by somebody, probably received with open and loving arms, caressed and fed by nurses and his mother, saying this while wearing clothes made by other people, probably ironed and cleaned by his wife, who probably cooks for him and raised his children.
We talked about this in some of my literature classes, too, how many famous writers were writing about being a "lonely genius" while being cleaned up after and fed by their mothers, wives, and maids.
That's not to say that all philosophy and writing by white men is worthless, I just think it's worth considering how having most of our worldviews and philosophy informed by a very small, privileged group of people might skew our perceptions a little bit.
Your computer chips were invented by that same class of people
@@johnnyspin6346 that has absolutely nothing to do with what was said.
@@johnnyspin6346 ok well cellphones where invented by the USSR so using your logic you either support the USSR or you have to get rid of your phone
@@johnnyspin6346 Yeah how dare we try to fix the system we live in. How dare someone want to make the world better
Thoreau is hands down the funniest example. Dude lived "alone" in the woods for a year, with his mom stopping by regularly to do his laundry.
Note that I say this as a huge fan of Walden Pond.
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This is an imperative I can stand behind 100%!
Catgirl Imperative: paint your walls with nazi blood
I'll scratch your back if you SCRATCH MINE
Next time just @ Tabby.
Clearly a callout to Tabby
Imagine if you will an Australian man. He's wearing a shirt printed with the faces of cartoon girls mid-orgasm and discussing Kant's Racism. Take a step back into another realm, he's now an English man, discussing the Australian man's discussion. Take another step back, he's now in the dark, wearing a different shirt and telling you about meta-meta-ethics. You consider that you may have lost your mind, and also the remote possibility that you've entered... The Scary Door
FUTURAMA REFERENCE
I'm on so many cuils right now
And now imagine a spectator commenting on all of this. He has no physical form, he's only a specter of 1s and 0s but you know he's there because you can read his commentary
dead newspaper @@aaa4455
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When someone says, "You're too analytical." Always respond, "You just analyzed me."
Then expect:
"I said you're too analytical, not that you're guilty of being analytical at all."
@@fuckamericanidiot You specialize in distortions, evidently.
My response was always: "Interesting, what would you say is the reasonable limit for analysis?"
Or you could say, "actually I'm continental".
Ah, you see. Kant has been so influential that he actually invented pro gaming moments
2 years late but gold
That shirt is the single worst piece of clothing I have ever allowed to touch my body.
ALSO - Special Thank You to SOPHIA SUN and DARA ROBERTS, whose names overlap in the credits because my editing software had a meltdown doing this one!
Philosophy Tube dont lie, you kept it didnt you?
Aussie accent is on point though
The question is "How often has it touched your body?"
And you better not lie.
I'm so sorry. haha
@@_oe_o_e_ it's tomska his shirt, but maybe?
"There are kids watching this"
**Literally wear hentai**
are you the guy from the podcast?
@@diiasze3743 no I am not.
specifically it is an Ahegao
@@GaaraNous the best kind of hentai
Are you the guy?
Kant has been real quiet since this video dropped
Abigail: My tastes are very... singular
Me, having seen the Queer✨ video: 😶
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@@irinipapaioanou4705 ✨YOU GOT A PULSE, AND YOU'RE BREATHING✨
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I actually blushed
Petition to rename the categorical imperative to the catgirl imperative
The catgirl imperative is something else, it has to do with protecting free speech even when the speech seems pointless and unintelligent.
I thought the catgirl imperative had smthg to do with wearing leather and carrying a whip to whup men's butts when they get out of line? I could will that as a universal for all ladies :)
No, the catgirl imperative has something to do with carrying a baseball bat and smash fascism.
@@johannageisel5390 YAY. Bash the fash :D I'm down with that. I
Xena and Johanna, I think those two takes on catgirl imperative could do great things teaming up together!
SEGA DOES WHAT EMMANUEL CAN'T
Turbo imperative processing.
Somebody get Descartes a cigarette and a blindfold
Sticking with my Anselm2600 tbh
Bentham does what Emmanuel can't
Anyone got a spare copy of _Super Plato 64?_
This reminds me of when I was in an epistomology class that was being taught by a very feminist post-doc who made a constant effort to include social justice in her ciriculum, and who was completely surprised when I causally mentioned that Kant was a major racist. Like no one ever mentioned that even once in all of her studies.
I'm honestly not even surprised by his racism- even given time period he lived in. He's such an absolutist that he could only have come from a privileged, white male bubble where he was never truly required to consider those outside of himself.
@@sierrasouthwell9237
Saaame (for the 1st sentence); for the 2nd sentence, I'd believe smth like "Since he's White, i.e. living in Europe, in that era of the Earth's history, he'd be an absolutist, as religion was really important, and racist as merged as that racism would be with that religion at the time, as racist would be in the sense that so little of European culture *at the time* would even mention POCs, or have POCs in Europe, the former most probably due to the latter, and little interactions with non-Europe, plus he'd believe that God's children (White people) are the best
@dil oreo him being sexist doesn't mean his ideas not having a non-sexist applications though.
@@nicholasleclerc1583 Lot more people of color in europe then you'd think, specially kind of middle eastern people more as I understand
@@AbstractTraitorHero
But not as many in central europe, majority of minorities come from southern europe, Spain, Italy and Portugal
“Content warning: hentai” certainly was not what I was expecting on a video about philosophy.
I kept expecting one of those meta-zooms-outs to reveal Contra Points.
They both use that retro purple and pink grid bullshit.
she's hiding in the digital shadows, ever present queen
Wasted opportunity!
@@Molotov49 Bisexual lighting*
@@Molotov49 dog did you totally miss vaporwave??
Why is western philosophy “philosophy” and eastern philosophy “spirituality”?
Chirag Kaku To a degree I agree, but I think one big reason we aren’t thaught easter philosophy is that there just aren’t enough people that are familiar with it (among the faculty staff). In the west we know our own history way better than we know anyone else’s history, as is probably true for most places.
That’s not to say it isn’t imperative that other philosophies are taught now that we have the internet and globalization in high effect.
It sounds like you're suggesting the faculty is too homogenous and therefore teaching from a narrow perspective that prioritizes one perspective. We learn when we listen, and not just to the same people all the time.
That's a big simplification - eastern philosophy exists but generally within the religious frameworks of Hinduism, Shinto, Bhuddism and Taoism, so they are seen as extensions of those religions (rightly or wrongly). It's not they're considered spirituality, but that they are the application of those religions.
Many of the famous western philosophers, particularly in the enlightenment, weren't trying to create philosophy for Christianity but something more humanistic and objective (consider Nietze who thought Christianity was a blight on humanity that it needed to grow out of).
I personally would like there to be more study of eastern philosophers in our curricula on the matter, but I'd also really like philosophy to stop being a study of what such and such dead dude thought on a subject and more about the real questions and problems of today, in which a dead dude's view can be considered but not be seen as necessarily more important than those of us currently alive. I think like most philosophy students I was told pretty much immediately that I wasn't qualified enough to have an opinion about whatever it was we were studying, it was my task to understand what the greats thought and argue from their perspectives, thus turning me off formalised learning in that area for good. I can't believe I'm the only one who had that experienced and for many it makes them feel that philosophy is completely irrelevant.
@@alibushell6762 in addition to those frameworks, from the (very very limited) understanding i have, there have been significant historical occurences wherein moral philosophers have been made into spiritual/governmental leaders. I dont think the language im using here is of much use because the way we define philosophy vs spirituality dorsnt really... translate well and is therefore somewhat inappropriate, but the likes of Confucianism is what Im really thinking about here.
@@alibushell6762 I agree and to be honest I've never seen eastern philosophy called spirituality. I only see the supernatural claims of Hinduism and Buddhism being called spirituality.
Speaking as an Australian, I actually thought your accent wasn’t half bad.
Me too 😂 people always butcher Aussie accent though
This is only the second video I've watched of his and I forgot what his accent actually was so when he suddenly started apologising for the bad accent I was genuinely shocked
It wasn't bad. It drifted a bit in places. Turned a bit more Kiwi in the middle.
But as far as it goes, I've heard much worse. XD
I thought he was doing a South African accent-and i do know the diff between (some) Australian and Kiwi accents!
It was much more New Zealand than Australian
The Good Place writers really need to watch this, since they constantly have a black guy quoting Kant in a serious manner, and how it should inform their morality.
So true! I was thinking about Chidi for the entirety of this video. Ugh! I'm never going to not think about that while watching the next season. Racism: it ruins everything!
@@medealkemy Tbf, it's been ruining everything the whole time -- it's great that you and I can see it better now, though.
I guess they tried to wink-and-nod at that by saying that Kant is in The Bad Place.
Im not trying to defend the writers here, but I would like to examine Chidi's character. Isn't the point of Chidi, his folly, the reason Michael believed he got into the bad place (although later revealed to not be the case) was because he was strictly Kantian to a fault? As revealed by the latest episode, his entire life people have told him that there was something fundamentally wrong with the way he chose to make decisions and look for answers, i.e. his Kantian beliefs.
The forgoing of criticism or even mention of Kant's vehemently racist nature is ultimately not... great, and it doesn't help that the show's primary philosophy consultant is white, and thus has limited perspective on the weight of racial issues.
There is nothing wrong with a black guy quoting kant. His words are open to interpretation; one doesnt need to believe in all of his stances to find some of his stances or words useful or applicable.
This is meant in general; not whatever show you're referring to
That accent... actually wasn't bad. It's the best Australian accent I've heard someone apologise for anyway.
Agreed. Australian here, and while it was very obviously put on it was put on in a way I've *heard* from other Australians playing it up for the audience. It honestly sounded like if it was toned down a bit it'd be hard to tell from a native speaker.
Sounds more like a new Zealand accent
Yeah, really good accent given he's never tried before
- from a Perth bloke
it's the best aussie accent I've heard from a brit, or anyone for that matter
He could pass for a Kiwi in Oz, or an Aussie in NZ
Turns up he WAS a massive Kant after all! Who could have guessed, mate?
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That's sexist.
I kant believe it
I hate how we never learn about poc philosophers. All Philosophy classes start in Greece and only follow other white Western philosophers. This gives a portrayal that the very ideas of philosophy IS western and IS white. And with our linking of philosophy with civilization, further leads to the assumption that western civilization is the only and most important civilization. Why should we not learn about Lao Tzu or Muhammad in our classes? When we look through the world's minds, we find the very defining western ideals of democracy, meritocracy, and equality, are not so western after all.
@@ThreeFontStreet They are talking from their personal experience you basket case.
If you live in the West it's obvious that Western philosophy would be the focus. It's weird to see how much people want to West to become non-Western.
Oh no, please not Mohammad. That guy was an illiterate unwise nut who made one of the most horrible cults of all time.
Addendum- Mohammad was very very rather extremely white redhead (according to the Quran) and very certainly owned a lot of African and Arabic slaves.
If you find the same universality in the "eastern" and "western" philosophy, why bother differentiating the two? Your question implies some kind of distance. You needn't desire the impenetrable Orient as something that's been kept from you, but rather accept that what you're studying, is part of the same tradition. You aren't gonna find gems in there that you haven't already got, they are the same gems.
@@ThreeFontStreet I'm in Texas, I didn't learn about anyone but white philosophers and everyone I've interacted with in my area hasn't learned about any poc philosophy in school either. I'm kinda wedged between the city and countryside so I've got a pretty good cross section of my area. To be fair though everyone around here also learned that the Civil War was about states rights. Education in the south is a joke, the closet major city has officially declared the city's education system to be in crisis.
This is how I felt studying history!
I was even told by a professor that the likely hood of me finding a job as a black female historian not specializing in African American studies was so unlikely that it was laughable that I was even bothering.
kant: bashed
like button: smashed
Check: cashed
Back: rashed
hotel: trivago
Dick: out
Ghandi hit his wife and raped other women. If everyone believes something in your family and the other view hasn't been represented, I don't see why it's weird for him to be this way.
@@Bashfulsson For: Harambe
As a Native American who has studied western philosophy for years, thank you for making this video Olly. I'm making efforts in my life to decolonize my experience and personal philosophy. Always happy to see other people are doing the same.
Might is right my dude
@@MrJaaaaake "addressing current wrongs is stupid, because in the past this wrong was socially acceptable"
Greg Ballenger decolonize for all of us.. 🌊
@@MrJaaaaake Doesn't have to be. And I'll punch you until you agree with me.
@NeuroMuscular It is a good question and I'm not qualified to answer it properly, so you should do your research and form your own opinion (because the subject is interesting)(and if you didn't do it already, since the comment is 9 months old). I'll try my best, but take it with a grain of salt and anyone please correct me if I'm wrong. Teaching is a great way to learn, since you can more easily contemplate the holes in your own understanding. So:
We have a certain worldview about how things are, what is real, what is relevant and what are the legitimate ways to see things. It may seem like a neutral view, since it is not immediately "political" and just "describes the reality", but it was constructed through a specific process of education and sequence of cultural interactions so it is almost impossible to not carry a specific shape. Since there is a great difference in levels of exposition to each worldview, we tend to believe in a certain vision based on what is most apparent to us. But this visibility doesn't have to be directly connected to relevance or truthfulness. It can just be (and most certainly is) a product of history, power, habit, geography, etc. It could in principle have any particular shape and give visibility to any particular worldview, but in our actual current world and in the location where you (and I) live the dominant vision in culture and academia is basically what we would call "western" vision. And this worldview could have passed through any historical path and gained any shape at all, but in our actual world the western worldview was constructed in a particular way that shapes what we now believe is true. And, well, this worldview has in its guts racism, colonialism, sexism, etc. It is embedded in the history of philosophy and science. Even for a "woke" thinker, the shape of the conversation was molded by this path. (and I'm not saying that it is the worst worldview possible, and that other worldviews are inferior or superior. I'm just saying this is the worldview we currently have and it has its own characteristics, the only difference being that it is the dominant one).
So even in a non malicious way it seems more natural to think that western society is the more civilized and non-violent one, that democracy is the ultimate goal of humankind and no one has ever thought on a more noble and efficient political system, that certain parts of the world that didn't implemented it "yet" (because certainly one day they will) did not achieve the adequate level of "maturity". It is natural to think that white people are more educated and intelligent and have to solve the world problems, since they are the more capable, they are the saviors. It is the "white man's burden" to save and educate the world and give it some reason. It seems natural to think that colonized societies "gained" with the interaction with white people, even though they were enslaved, brutalized, robbed, killed and forced to extract and give away their own resources by means of the most pure use of force. In a certain way we feel like white people naturally teach and others learn, even when the other person is way more capable in a specific area.
If someone says "a person" it is natural to immediately think of a white, thin, young, straight dude, unless we attach some other description like "black", "fat", "old", "asian", "woman", etc, since this mold is the standard one, it is the norm. In movies it is normal to have all sorts of white characters, all with their different personalities and traits, since the standard mold can assume different shapes, but any other kind of person is added as a token of a different group, and their main characteristic is to be a representation of that group (the black dude in the movie), often with their inherent stereotypes. Also the own idea of stereotype seems more naturally applied to non white people, since white people don't have any particular characteristic, they simply are "normal people".
Even the way we talk about race, and how we implicitly or explicitly divide the human kind. If the center of power was in Africa we would certainly have a very different mental division of the people, with different labels and different levels of detail to each ethnic group. We have a fairly granular view of Europe, North America and (currently) Japan and China (since they gained power recently), but have a very foggy concept of "Africa", "the rest of America", "those bastard arabs", etc (they seem to be a lot more uniform even though they cover a very large geographical and political domain).
To make all this more apparent, imagine how the world would be if the dominant class in the current world were the indigenous people from south america. How do you think our philosophy, science, culture, art, history, etc, would be different? It would be completely different. Many concepts would become automatically absurd and many would not exist at all.
So decolonization of the mind means perceiving how white our worldview is and how it is just a product of the history and the conflict of power we live in. That it has nothing to do with epistemological superiority or anything of the sort, since one side just don't have the space to talk so that we can neutrally really judge its quality. It is not real consensus, it is just perceived consensus by key hole vision.
It does not mean (speaking again) that I'm saying that "the west is bad" and we should feel ashamed and that other worldviews are far superior but where killed by our violence. The history of Europe and the colonization process is pretty fucked up, but the history of the rest of the world is also fucked up, so the real difference is who ends up on top at the end, and whose narrative becomes dominant. What is does mean is that we have a key hole vision and don't see it (since we have key hole vision, duh). It means that even though some things "feel right" don't mean they are really right. And it means that maybe we have a lot to learn from other cultures, since their worldview is so different that their own key hole vision may uncover parts of reality that are invisible to us, but for them it is a screaming unavoidable fact. It means that while a white dude can have difficulty to remember to add a chapter about race injustice in their handbook about philosophy of injustice, a minority group philosopher could easily fill a full book with different aspects of the subject. Or this philosopher could just add a different new and interesting perspective on a "classic subject" by applying a worldview natural to him but that is alien to the white dudes who created the discipline.
Abby mentioning that she wonders what big things her life she's still missing made me giggle. Oh honey, if only you knew.
Content warning: Hentai and Racism
*4chan has joined the game*
Toby Ziemke I’m sad that he totally ignored the hentai portion of Kant’s writing...
Is there a video on why he wears a hentai tshirt and how that makes Asian female philosophers feel?
@@yvonneli6911 Why he wears it, sort of. It's an... interesting... video. Made on a very specific day in April, if I recall. (edit: maybe you've already discovered it)
@@perchy22 i have the impression that she is female and asian from her name and picture, maybe she is a philosopher because she is in this channel
that made me think that it was a sarcastic comment because of the moral high ground that olly is taking while alienating another part of his own demographic for a joke
but IDK, imo, as a latino i think that intentions are what matter most, like, if he is not trying to alienate for that joke then that probably is harmless and I laugh about it, even if it could be seen as alienating latino people, for example, i don't think olly was like "yeah let's alienate asian women for the lolz lmao"
@@yvonneli6911 "the philosophy of anime" is the video that perchy22 is talking about
One of my professors is the leading Kant expert in Germany and in a seminar on "perpetual peace" we had one lesson dedicated to Kant's racism. He ended the lesson by telling us that he was not taught that while studying (in Oxford mind you that) and that he never felt as dissapointed in his life by someone he admired. Immanuel Kant also had a black professor working at the same university, which makes it even weirder that one reason he thought black people were inferior was because non have a profession like him.
@Mr S talking about missing the point
@Mr S Information hasn't always been as quickly and easily accessible as it is today. 30 years ago, you couldn't go "oh is there anyone out there criticising Kant as a person, not a philosopher?" without serious work and you don't necessarily put that legwork in for every person you learn about. Nowadays you can find out about the racism within a minute if you're good at googling. As he obviously did find out at some point and makes it a point to talk about it himself, I am not sure where you're coming from
You can absolutely hold teachers accountable for teaching an inaccurate portrayal of someone, esp in a university setting where the professors set the curriculum themselves.
What is your source in regards to the professor Kant worked with?
@You're probably touching yourself right now well, just because he didn't meant it it doesn't mean we still cannot apply this universally, surpassing his biased flaw. I always thought philosophy was about universality of the system, not about who was doing the wondering in the context of their own short comings. In Kant, its all about the outcome of his philosophy, not about Kant himself. It outgrows the author. Despite his lame racism, the premise still holds up if applied universally - white/black or otherwise.
@You're probably touching yourself right now And how exactly do you separate a person from their ideas?
I want hentai guy to be a recurring character. He’s great.
More hentai guy!
Ian N. Drivel
a. k. a. Daddy Drivel
this was the first philosophytube video that i saw, about a year ago, so i had no way of knowing that the beginning character was a character and not him. i am Very glad i stuck through it.
i hope you've learned the definition of "drivel" since then lol
"First of I'd like to apologize to the entire nation of Australia for that atrocious accent"
Literally 100% didn't even realize that was meant to be my accent.
It wasn't quite the accent foreigners normally try to do, but it was not my accent either.
Aussie here! Nice accent, better then like 80% of the other accents i've seen (not that thats saying much), maybe a bit too much New Zealand though? Idk, lets call him a kiwi who moved to australia like 10 years ago, thats fine
Yeh I'm an Aussie and as a new viewer I was like "I didn't realise this guy was an Aussie!" Derp.
as a kiwi who moved to australia (slightly over) 10 years ago, the new zealander-australian accent confluence is kind of english-sounding! new zealander is all soft and australian is all twang and together they blend into their pip pip cheerio ancestry
@@Hipsternebula Kiwi here as well, when I was in the USA, everybody thought I was Australina based on my accident. Also, a friend was studying in England when a local got into conversation with him and asked if he was Australian. He said know, the guy then asked are you South African. He said no, and the guy said "ah so you must be a New Zealander". Apparently, according to my friend, a lot of English people struggled to tell the Australian, New Zealand, and South African accents apart.
If I hadn't specifically learned everything I can about accents because I'm a giant linguistics nerd, I'd have trouble telling Aussies from kiwis as well. I have a couple sounds that I use - for example, the words "fair" is pronounced "feh" in Australia and "fee-uh" in New Zealand. (I'm American, I should add). I know a lot less about South African accents, though.
yeah this is about right
My god that top was printed, paid for and then worn.
I’m furious that this video makes introduced me to Marcus Dibble, a man saying ‘I identify as a fire truck does that make it true?’ In 2019
Yeah... I've made it a point not to look the guy up.
@@benoitsauveton5611 It's a completely false equivalence though.
Children tend to be born one of two ways physically, and there is a chemical process that influences that, so it's logically possible for those processes to function in a way that results in a mind/body gender mismatch. You can't denounce that possibility just by saying "I IDENTIFY AS A DOLPHIN LOL" because there is no chemical mechanism via which all human children come out either as humans or as dolphins.
For the people with all the logic and reason, y'all sure are happy to make a shitty false equivalence and then dust off your hands and walk away.
@@benoitsauveton5611 No, genetic means in the genes, passed on, heritable. I'm talking about things like in utero hormone balance and things like that. I'm also not saying "GENDER IS DEFINITELY CHEMICALS AND THIS IS TRUE AND YOU ARE WRONG", I'm saying that gender body/mind mismatches due to real physical processes isn't particularly far fetched, and can't be discounted just with the false equivalence of "HAHA WELL I IDENTIFY AS SOMETHING THAT IM NOT AS WELL".
@@rhaeven I just want to say that I've never thought of this in such simplistic terms and am amazed that it is possible to 100% validate trans people in so few words.
i cant believe miku made moral philosophy, she really is a renaissance creator
DOXXING EMMANUEL KANT
WHERE IS THIS MAN'S FUCKIN' GRAVE
I'll game end him
Its at Königsberg Cathedral in Kaliningrad, Russia.
The single best thing about Kant is that you can make puns with is name in both English and German.
No you kant
@@eviestark6133 es ist neunzehn sechsundneunzig, Immanuel ist weg und bräunt sich an der Südsee; "Wo ist Immanuel?" - " Der ist Vakant."
Philosophy barely came up on my radar until by the mystery of the TH-cam algorithm, you came up in my feed. Thank you. I just grew a new brain cell or two. I’m not sure where this new journey of the mind will take me but I will follow for a while until I find my feet in this area.
I’m already a number of videos in.
I think this exactly explains why I’ve also felt that philosophy was kind of creepy and uninteresting, when on the surface it was exactly the kind of thing I should be into.
I like the depth you bring to these more general ideas. As a disabled person I would really love to see you tackle some topics of non able bodied and non neurotypical people.
I second the above
Olly you do me a disservice every two weeks right before I go talk to my therapist I watch your show and I find my anxiety and sadness quelled just a little. So I end up talking to my therapist in an uncharacteristicly jolly mood. The result of which is my therapist evaluates my emotional status more favorably than would be honest. Seriously my anxiety this week has been through the roof I haven't been able to sleep but now I have a dumb smile on my face. Sheesh.
well watch the video afterwards then
Have you talked to your therapist about this experience, I hope?
Tell your therapist, friend
I just told my therapist. I was just trying to be cheeky with my complement.
Write down what you wanna talk about on the down days, I'd had the same problem with mine
I'm a philosophy student, I'll do a presentation about "Racism & Spinoza" and your video helped me a lot, Thanks from Brazil
I recommended this to my philosophy teacher. I misremembered the intro. Fuck.
I'm starting to see more Natalisation, which I'd say is for the Wynn.
Oh gosh my brain went "natal-isation", as in perinatal or postnatal (as in pregnancy), and I was like -- when did catgirls have anything to do with pregnancy? And then I got to the end of your sentence, but it was a hell of a rollercoaster until then.
We all stan a Queen
i thought this meant natalism and not until reading one of the replies did i realize otherwise
Oh boy. I come from the future and you're in for a treat!
This thread has me fucked up.
wtf i love philosophy now
I used to love philosophy, so much I got an MA in the subject. Then I watched this video.
@@jbsweeney1077 I watched a video on youtube and am now Ayn Rand.
@@theothertonydutch Ew. Rand.
John Thomson then again...maybe THEY cant..
11:58 we should call it "I Kant believe it's analytical philosophy"
In college, two friends of mine were arguing about philosophy in a coffee shop.
My male friend remarked, "Kant is a tool."
In response, the female friend shouted, "I LOVE KANT!"
She hit me for laughing at it.
@Autumn Potato it s (supposed to be) "funny", because of homophobia (a female loving "c u nt".)
Content Warning: S3XY OL1V3R
OK terezi
* channel warning
dat tight shirt
His tastes are very...singular 😘
Oh hi contra 🤠
hey oliver if you see this. or anyone reading this. i just want everyone to know that i went to the "gamer's club" at my university a few times and this guy who is there literally wears a shirt like that all the time, in public. I looked at him and sarcastically said that he's braver than any US marine and he thought I was complimenting him
ey reppin the KOSMOS profile! Nice to see someone else remembers the weird mess that was Xenosaga
Did he thank you?
What a legendary interaction
Thank you for this. As someone who is in academia teaching Philosophy- I’m beyond thrilled to have found this video! I will be embedding the link into my Moodle shell for my Ethics students- and we will be having this discussion on Wednesday.
How did it go
Well, I hope those five black philosophers like talking about race and having the pressure of representing an entire race, because that's probably what's gonna be asked of them their whole career...
Great motivator to get more non-white people into philosophy.
I could be wrong, I get the impression that you're accusing Olly of putting this pressure on those philosophers. If that's the case, I have to disagree. Olly is challenging white philosophers to talk about this subject more in order to take the pressure off of nonwhite philosophers.
@@StNick119 I'm not. I was just thinking how it would suck to be one of a handful of black philosophers. I agree that talking about this subject is a good thing rather than a bad thing.
@@StNick119 just saying her name is abby
Or, people could just google/research the non white / non western equivalents to philosophy. Our ancestors have been studying this shit for generations.
@@medhanshtripathi1488 That comment was left before Abby came out. Chill.
I AM CANON (also great video)
Yes you are :)
this won't change the fact you're like 40 and still trying to run a failing YT channel
@@kevanathra8741 What failing? He has almost a quarter million subs. And what does age have to do with it? Lots of people who are way older than 40 have yt channels. I mean, how old is that obnoxious greying neckbeard Thunderfoot? He has to be at least 45.
Um, I am Canon. Lol
He's 40? Looks pretty good for 40.
Watching this after watching The Good Place is a trip.
As a mixed race woman... it feels sooo good to see a white man shedding light on social and racial injustices...it's important and helpful...and he is hilarious
Why is the idea of someone "being a product of their time" only ever brought out to excuse what that generation deems problematic behavior or quirks? Are we to assume every great discovery or invention were made by people who were not products of their time?
Hey Olly, how do you feel about fictional racism? By that I mean things like wizards vs muggles in Harry Potter, or humans vs mutants in Marvel Comics. On the one hand it brings up social problems to a wide audience, but in those examples one group is objectively superior. Wizards look down upon muggles and probably shouldn't but a wizard could theoretically do anything a muggle could do but not vice versa. Mutants are basically identical to humans except for one overwhelming advantage. There seems to be an underlying theme of racism being, if not justified, then at least logical in some way.
I suppose my question is are these analogies useful or damaging?
You probably can do everything a child can, and more. Does that give you the right to treat it badly? The fact that wizards are superior to humans, I feel, boils down to "might makes right," which is not a very good ethical system. As for your question, I think they're useful. As Oliver himself says, even if you have something that is completely wrong it's useful to know it so you can better combat it.
It is actually the best possible argument for benevolence over dominance. The people who did the oppressing in the past often did have overwhelming advantages over the oppressed. It’s hard not to imagine if the positions had been reversed that it still would’ve happened the other way around, human nature being what it is.
But what fiction like the X-Men strives to represent is the notion of having power and deciding to use it for the good of those in need or to protect the lives of people who hate and fear you for your differences, even if they would not do the same for you. That kind of example is desperately needed in fiction, because it so often fails to appear in reality.
What the X-Men taught me is that how you win the fight is just as important as whether you win. If that weren’t the core philosophy of the comics, Magneto would be the good guy.
@@Nenadior Yeah, adults are superior to children, that's why it's our job to protect and care for them until they're old enough. But that's my point, it's not about whether they treat muggles badly, the comparison itself is bad. It's supposed to be a reflection of real world racism but the two parties aren't equal. Using your own example imagine if white people treated black people like children. It's a bad comparison with bad consequences.
Best example of scifi/fantasy used to discuss real-world marginalized people is in The Broken Earth series by NK Jemisin. Actually has a nuanced view of systemic disenfranchisement, intergenerational trauma and more. The author is a black woman, so she actually gets it, no surprise. Actually a surprise - every dang book in this series has won a Hugo. Forever trying to get more people to read these amazing books!!
They are fictions.
It would be great if you could do this for misogyny in philosophy!
Laura G and thats the brilliance of it--pretty much all of this applies to the continual existence of misogyny/secism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, etc...
@@yunglynda1326 You couldn't be farther from the truth, you obviously need this overview more than even I want it. Misogyny is its own unique monstrosity.
@@mambisa2690 I think their comment was more trying to draw parallels between different kinds of oppression and to highlight the importance of intersectionality, rather than dismissing the importance of misogyny as an issue wholesale -- but I know basically nothing about misogyny in philosophy, so I look forward to the video, Olly ;) :P
@@mambisa2690 Thats quite a rude exaggeration. That person was trying to agree with you, and you spoke to them like they were an uneducated twit in need of lessons. Damn condescending. "You couldnt be farther from the truth" Nah, people that say "there is no sexism in the history of philosophy" cant be farther from the truth.
Neil Carriel your perception of my behavior is irrelevant, wrong as you may be. Who do you think you are to go around correcting people? Keep your condescending policing to your self little man
I like to imagine Ollie wearing that hentai shirt around the house when no ones around.
Shoutout to TomSka for helping with the outfit
Consider this: This is the first Philosophy Tube video I ever watched.
I was on paragraph six of my comment when it hit the 2:30 mark.
Oh boy I'm rewatching it imagining what you'd think and It's gold! I'd love a full philosophy channel of this style.
Hahahahahahahahahah, oh my fucking God.
Great video, but I’d also specify that the predominance of white guys in philosophy is not only due to a lack of black/women/lgbt people, but also due to not considering black/female/lgbt philosohers as belonging to this construct of “philosohy” and academia.
I'd have never thought that "that kid" from every classroom that always raises his hand to say some pointless bs would evolve to appear in philosophy youtube videos
Nicolás Gutierrez What is that supposed to mean?
Having grown up in academia, I can confirm that what you are saying is true. Much of academia revolves around the ego stroking and gratification of a hell of a lot of white, straight guys. 100% fact.
liketanyanot its easier to not take into account PoC/women/lgbt people’s work of you don’t consider them philosophers at all
@@nonoctoro4933 You are literally wrong about every one of these statements. And Europe the birthplace of philosophy?! Dude... have you heard of Greece? And that's just formal philosophy. Humans have likely been doing philosophy in some form or another since we've been humans. And humans came out of Africa, so really, Africa is the "birthplace" of philosophy.
You are cancer. Please get cured.
I adore the direction of this video, olly. I love the framing and how you used referring back to previous arguments/clips in the actual frame, and frame within frame as well. The majority of the video is done from that Mac shot and the red lit bedroom, but it retains an easy idea of which "layer" of metaphilosophy you're on very well. I'd like to see others use this and the editing for other meta videos as this would confuse the hell out of me to write in a easy way to understand. I love that left tube has completely embraced contrapoints theater ideas, though you do put your own spin on it.
Anyway - succinct, informative, entertaining, funny, and you really opened my eyes to some things I weren't aware of. I also got my girlfriend into your channel via this same video.
Subscribed!
I love how excited you get about being able to do more philosophy. :)
'There are children watching this!' he exclaims, whilst swearing repeatedly and wearing a hentai shirt.
Also the nation of Australia accepts your apology, your accent is fine, it just has maybe a bit too much kiwi thrown in there.
I realized the pictures on the shirt only after reading your comment o.O
Content warning: Hentai
Description: With apologies to Australia
...Olly, buddy, I hope this video is as good as it looks from the outset. I'll comment my thoughts at the end of this surely wild ride.
Your thoughts?
@Holland Graves big think
That whole "My semi-autonomous video production depends on crowdfunding from You" was probably the smoothest call to action I've witnessed on TH-cam thus far. So smooth that I'm not entirely sure if it was actually intended to make me want to donate all my savings or not, but I did get a momentary urge...
Yessss every video I watch is a new fave!!! I have to write an analysis on ethical theories in my low level philosophy course and I've chosen particularism as a way to be able to shit a little bit on the other theories we talked about, which include kantian ethics. SO, I think I'll use this as a reference if you don't mind! Thanks, Olly!
*immediately applies to change my last name to "Blonde" after the misspelling in the credits*
goddammit, that's my word processing software, sorry! I will have it fixed next time!
@@PhilosophyTube I kind of loved it, no need to apologize. Loved the video, love the material as always
17:02 I can't tell if "Ron Jonson" was a funny mistake or a deliberate joke.
That's exactly what I think of my parent's giving birth to me.
“When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?”
(John Maynard Keynes)
It's lovely to come back to the older vids to peruse some vintage offerings like Kant's racism. Thank you, Abigail, for your time and hard work given to your channel and keeping the older content available.
I studied philosophy and I don't think we ever really contended with the racism of a lot of the enlightenment thinkers, let alone people like Kant. I remember the stories about him taking a stroll every day at around the same time, but we didn't touch on his racism or even John Stuart Mill's and I had mostly women and people or color teachers.
lmao, I f you start pointing out the racism of thinkers from the past, you'll completely shift the discussion from their ideas to their racism since that was.... mmh how to say it nicely.... pretty fucking widespreed and the NORM
Well it'd be natural not to simply for the fact it would need to come up at any philosopher you study (most of the ones that permeated society are from racist white dudes)>. I'd just say its a matter of keeping it in mind whilst whilst studying them.
I had no idea Kant was a racist when I read his work either. But in fairness, I also didn't know Chomsky and Searle were such leftists when I read their linguistics and metaphysics of mind works, respectively. I just knew that Kant's work seemed wrong, but complex enough that the error was hard to articulate while Searle and Chkmsky had really interesting ideas. The fact that I tend to agree morally with the latter and not the former, well, I didn't know that until later.
@@TheWaross Racism is still the norm in the world. Only Western modern moralists worry about racism.
@@Sam_on_TH-cam "I just knew that Kant's work seemed wrong, but complex enough that the error was hard to articulate"
Well now perhaps you'll have the tools to better understand his work
The opening bit was one of the funniest things I’ve ever watched, you should definitely delve into comedy more often, Kant absolutely needs to be called out, but Please never wear that shirt again I beg you
I just love the fact that you just can't ignore that Abigail is very much there, even if it's a pre transition video ❤️
Kudos to whoever's doing the editing man
I can tell by your new style of editing your videos, with the neon lights to create a dreamlike look, and you watching yourself on the screen, playing characters and cursing that you were (maybe unconsciously) inspired by counter point's channel. I've binged many of her videos since I came across her channel, so I would like to see a collab someday. Cheers!
Hah, Nat and I have done stuff already - she had a cameo in my Hegel video and we've done some fun livestreams
This is my favourite video title ever
Hey i used to watch u all the time back in 2016 but havent checked you out much since then. Glad to see you happy and well!
Brilliant and important and so self aware. Thank you. I'm glad I've found you.
Concerning your question about Rawls, I, as a sudanese guy in germany, I really have a problem with. Because Racism sure is a far more intimate reality for me and other pocs in western civilisation than for white folks but it's really odd from you to think we would need to racialise everything due to that factor. As far as I recall Rawls Theory of Justice transcends the racial question in so far as one could argue at his demanding level of just consideration he does not value the wronghood of racism worthy of being something that really needs to be discussed. On the other hand his conception of the "veil of ignorance" could be given the benefit of the doubt as its ignorance concering social reality of the persons involved covers race and would deny racist outcomes anyway. Of course racism is a problem but not all pocs want to give it space all the time, especially because to me philosophy as it is today gives me a space where I don't have to take race into account all the time. Just don't assume when anyone that is not-white wants or needs to racialise a particular matter. Not all coloured people are remarkably invested in race or understand themselves as being extraordinary defined by their racial experience. Personally I love that you are concerned about race, but just like many people have a false narrative of "racism is over", some people like you seem to have the opposite extreme that overaccentuate the matter of racism based on your own perception and selected chosen speakers that we the unified council of colored people never legitimised to speak on our behalf
This was an extremely thought provoking point of view for me. Thank you for sharing it.
Marx and Bakunin in the Commune (if I'm not mistaken), Tocqueville in America, Frantz Fanon in the guerrilla and Angela Davis and Stokely in the black power movement, philosophers , like everyone else, seem to be enriched by real life experiences and visiting different places. The interface between philosophy and sociology, anthropology and other areas is very intriguing. How far can a person think about everything with only a very small collection of apriori experiences?
O the other hand, Kant stayed in his home town his whole life, devoted to his unique ideals, and, as I understand, Descartes, a man well traveled and lived, decided that experiences were second to thinking. I studied these guys as foundations to the western philosophy and science.
Today, there seems to a great focus on the Marxist challenge, the real challenge to philosophy is not to understand the world, but to change it.
Here in Brazil, some of our thinkers had an alternative form of visiting experience, they were exiled by the military dictatorship. When they returned, some of them, like Darcy Ribeiro, wrote extensively and optimistically about Brazil and its people.
Perhaps Kant attempted to ground philosophy in the a priori because he was too lazy to travel lol.
You are an AMAZING teacher!!!
Thank you Philosophy Tube for your work. I learn a lot.
Thank you so much for this amazing video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I’m planning on studying philosophy in the near future and your channel has been such an amazing resource for me! Keep up the great work and thank you again 😊
I do notice that a lot of folks specializing in the sciences and philosophy tend to have inflated egos and act condescending.
True, but at least science is more diverse. Mainly because it's hard to be a racist when you study science (properly).
People who learn a lot of stuff about any one single topic tend to have inflated egos and act condescending. Hell, even people who learn the basics of a topic can do that if their Dunning-Kruger is strong enough.
Bro I’m a scientist stfu
16:56 He references the meta-meta aspect of the video while directing the audience to the meta-meta editing, but like how he introduces the idea that systems of thought in a philosopher are intertwined and contribute to one another, the subsections of his meta-analysis are integral to his entire conversation, and I think that's just kinda cool
I’ve always been so thankful that my professional for ethics 101 was a visiting professor from Nigeria. His class was so interesting and had perspectives I’d never heard of before. I was do lucky that he was an Alumni of my university and just decided to teach a couple classes while on Sabbatical. I’m so glad I took the class
The hentai warning was hilarious.
I didn't realize Kant invented re-vitiligo.
i like to think she kept the shirt, out of unanticipated sentimental attachment
i now understand what eleanor shellstrop felt when a hot guy was giving her a lecture on kant
I appreciate that you called Jon Ronson “Ron Johnson” and didn’t edit it.
"Fight for Rodina! Troll for Alunya! And don't forget LEFTCOM CAT!"
- The Catgirl Imperative ✊😼🏴
any word on Frederick Nietzsche the German philosopher who preached atheism but wanted to be buried with a cross on his headstone just in case?
Tbh even when studying him in school, Nietzsche never made much sense to me. HIs shit always sounded more like him working out his multitude of psychological issues in a very unhealthy way than actual philosophy. I guess I could call him an artist of the weird.
Antonio SCENDRATE GATTICO YES, thank you! I was just feeling stupid the other night trying to explain his philosophy to my friend, after having read two of his books in the past, and realizing: I really don’t understand this dude’s philosophy much at all... It’s wildly inconsistent and sort of all over the place.
@@cosmojenkins3020 It makes much more sense if you look at it as him just trying to piss people off and get them to think.
@@cosmojenkins3020 His reasoning is circular and his language even more pedantic than that of TS Eliot.
That's actually not a bad approach. There is no proof for or against God. He was just trying to cover his ass in the event of him being wrong.
That title takes on a whole new meaning after the latest Marcus Dibble news