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I love how the main interrogator is only seeing half the story so he has 1 eyepatch. Whereas the goon is seeing the whole story, but through a particular filter so he has sunglasses. Well played and I hope that was on purpose.
I kinda want to see you two do a cross-over. I think that would be cool. Some Art Philosophy, or Feminist Philosophy... maybe Feminist Art Philosophy? I dunno, that might be fun.
@@sethapex9670 Actually, I think it's theorized that this is why most pirates wore eye-patches. Their eyes were fine, they just needed one used to the dark, so that they wouldn't need to spend time adjusting to it. Pretty smart, honestly. Wish I were that clever.
Syogren They were mostly using an invention that has been made by others before (they were taught to do so by another pirate that did so). You most probably typed your comment on a device that was engineered (invented) by people before you so your cleverness is at least comparable to the cleverness of most pirates 😉
"your real name" "that is my real name" "it's not the one you were born with" "that's the one i preform under" "are you preforming right now?" This hits differently.
I know it's none of my business. But I must admit, I'd still be *fascinated* to have a rough idea of when Abi realised herself she was Trans, when she was out to her friends, when she was transitioning etc. It would reframe a lot of these older videos that touch on identity, performance etc...
"Do you have political views?" "... Yeah." "Nothing that's gonna cause a problem for us, though. Right?" "I'm sure you'll decide that for yourself." *smiles* "That's a good answer." I have been thinking about this exchange every few hours since this dropped.
Especially with the specific fact that she spent about a year doing videos while not being publicly out (out to friends and family of course but yeah). Like she wasn't just doing the stuff raised in this, but like at the most basic level "performing a gender" as well as a role as well as a youtuber.
me, watching my first philosophy tube video: wow that was a smart and well-written video essay me, ten videos later, in a silk robe while a cigarette hangs loosely from my lips: daddy
Funny, even the moment of "authenticity" at the end is of course him asking whether he stepped on the toes of the other actor that didn't exist because it was also him. A reminder that even the part that's "not acting" is still acting because of how many layers of artifice exist in content creation or any performance. And yet, the performance remains true despite or perhaps because of said artifice.
Perhaps, but he could just have been asking if his character he just played stepped on the toes of that other character. I guess the question if it was "acting" or not falls on if it was intended to be included in the video or not when being performed.
i love the added layer of meta-ness of the characters knowing theyre characters in a youtube video but believing themselves and the situation theyre in to be real lmao!
Much as we know we’re in this thing that we call reality yet it is impossible to discern if it is real or an illusion, but we believe it to be real anyway because....it’s more fun that way.
Epilogue: Ellis and Strucci went out to watch Julius Caesar after this and Ellis taught Strucci the value of friendship and Strucci helped Ellis with his anger issues and they were inseparable friends for years and eventually lovers
I just want to point out how good the writing and acting in this is. I know he does this for a living so of course he's good or whatever but like seriously I could fEEL what the characters were thinking just from little flicks of the eyes, this is amazing. The kind of acting i could pour over again and again to pick up all the little nuances. Damn good job, man
by the end of the video I realized that he had been pulling me from one emotional landing to the next with just enough softness and force... it kept me moving through the script unquestioning and almost unaware of my own heart and mind.
@@mathieuleader8601 my guess is the same...as this video advances. [Edit: not sure though] Either way...great stuff. Edit 2: guess I missed the opening of the video. It is Pillow Man. Not The Trial.
@Der Herr Seriös wünscht gesiezt zu werden you're right, it isn't. Not only because Olly states the name of the play quite explicitly, but also because it may be too much of stretch if one wishes to interpret it like that. The random appearance of authority without any explicit reason (i.e. the charge) did give the impression that it could be related to Kafka's novel... But the task our man undertakes here is *quite* different.
I’m a high school teacher and much of what’s explored in terms of parasocial relations resonates. An educator in a student-teacher relation has to leverage a performative (often sunnier) version of themselves; in part because it’s an effective way to engage with and gain investment from our children, but also because we’re limited by the professional boundaries that dictate what’s an appropriate thought, affect, or mode of expression to reveal in front of a younger audience. In that vein, I see my existence vis-a-vis my children as a curated symbol-one that reflects my emotional truth but guided by a selective process of manufactured authenticity. I feel as a teacher (or any public role) it’s important to model the best version of ourselves, even if that means being selective and strategic with how we emote, engage with others, and self-express. Our constant performance can make us feel disingenuous and manipulative at times, but your video reminded me that it’s OK-so long as we stay grounded in our emotional truth ❤️
I thought about teaching too! I agree with what you've said. As a TEFL teacher, I even moderate the language I use so that it can be more easily understood by my kids, even if it's not completely "accurate" to what I want to "authentically" say. I definitely have a "teacher persona" that's a little bit more happy than my typical non-workplace self. I can even recall specific lies I've told my kids. For example, if an 8 year old pre-intermediate English learner asks me what my favorite movie is, it would be confusing for me to answer with a movie they've never heard of (and for me to have to explain the plot and the actors they've never heard of - I usually pick a Disney movie from the past 4-5 years to answer that question.) Teaching is absolutely a performance, but I would be completely drained and tired out if I didn't bring myself to that performance. (Also, kids are sharp- they can feel when things are fake with you.)
nd4spd That makes me wonder if/when I overdo it. It also raises an interesting question on how/why we find certain performances of authenticity grating while not others. For example, do you find Ollie’s “inauthenticity” as a TH-camr annoying? (I feel personalities like Shane Dawson or MatPat can enter cringe territory with their performance sometimes.) Or does the question not apply because our relationship to him is more parasocial than an in-person teacher-student one?
A lie is a falsehood told with the intent to deceive. There are other kinds of falsehoods, like sarcasm or simply being wrong, for example. Acting, writing, and other forms of art are a falsehood used to convey a message about a truth. Neither the artist nor the audience believes that what they are experiencing is literal reality, but rather an metaphorical experience that conveys a deeper meaning; by definition, not a lie. As an aside, I absolutely despised the characters of the detectives. They remind me of my own ideal self (or selves) - the 'rational' one beating you up with the loaded questions and the abusive 'emotional' one doing its best to grind you into the floor. Neither caring about the actual truth; both only striving to shame and punish you. Its not often that I want to punch a fictional character in the face. You did an amazing job writing and acting them.
Honestly I was kind of sad that your videos were showing up less often but if that's the price I have to pay for this magnificent quality, I have no objections.
Wait Detectives Ellis and Strucci were prolly references to Lindsay Ellis (who did that vid on authenticity on TH-cam) and Shannon Strucci (who did that other vid on parasocial relationships)
I have to say, I'm enjoying the dialectic turn of Leftube at the moment. Even BadMouse has jumped aboard. We're taking back radical creativity. Love and solidarity from Ireland!
It doesn't feel as if it gets enough mentions, but seriously, great cinematography in this one! The use of values are on point! Flat black/white for the interrogator stuck between binaries (truth/lies, right/wrong), and mid-range shades of grey for the nuanced author avatar. The two inspectors at first forming a yin-yang of contrasts (mostly white on black backgroung/ mostly black on white background) until they switch and rub against the previous harmony. Once drenched in their own elements, the wild and jagged leather broadcast the more personal, aggressive tone, while the stoic becomes almost uncharacteristically smug and condescending. I found it especially interesting to interpret the characters as an Id, Superego and Ego trio. Eyes concealed (ruled by instinct and passion), one covered (narrowminded, strict absolutes) and two eyes wide open (complete - empathetic yet fallible)
That's... really insightful actually. Quick question, can the Id, Superego and Ego be related to Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis? Id, Thesis (base urges, instincts), negation of Thesis to Superego, Antithesis (absolute ideas, strict regulation), then the negation of the negation to the Ego, Synthesis (the complete person, who can relate to others, form ideas and change them). And then, could this be an imagining of the stages of society as imagined by Marx? Id, Thesis, primitive man (animalistic, dominated by base urges) negated to Antithesis, Superego, class society (strict hierarchical relationships, codified and enforced laws and deeply held beliefs and traditions) negated to Synthesis, Ego, Communism. Or have I been reading too much Žižek? Shniff.
@@RaunienTheFirst Dunno, maybe? I will admit I haven't read any marxist literature, but the Theses can definitely represent those stages of societies if seen through Kuhn's Paradigms (though Kuhn himself was fiercely against it). I'm not sure if the they can be mapped out over a human's psyche however, since there's a distintly temporal aspect to the societal analysis (society changes from one standard to another), whereas a human will never be ruled entirely by any one part of their psyche. It will always be an amalgamtion of all of them.
@@bygon432 I'm just throwing ideas at a metaphorical wall and seeing if any stick, I don't really know what I'm talking about. That's a good point though. But couldn't one say that at various stages of human societal development, different parts of the psyche are allowed to flourish? I don't really believe in any rationalisable human "progress" it's all just random people doing stuff and we apply this notion of progress to make ourselves feel better about where we are and where we might be going. But it's fun to speculate.
Watching this, I'm reminded of this quote by Alan Moore: "in my work as an author, I traffic in fiction, I do not traffic in lies, although I'll admit that the distinction is a nice one, and perhaps not easy for the layman to make. With fiction, with art, with writing, it's important that even if you're dealing with areas of complete outrageous fantasy that there is an emotional resonance. It is important that a story ring true upon a human level even if it never happened."
I do appreciate having so many videos from this channel, but self-care is more important. Don't burn out for it, if one a month is better for you then do that!
@@jamesjwr The thing is, these days he doesn't make the lectures, which are better in bulk, and I'd judge not TOO hard to make. The arty videos he does now need quality over quantity, so having longer breaks is better.
It's interesting to me, that I hadn't realised I was thinking about this, but even though I adored the cosmonaut video, I was aware of and thought about the fact that it probably took multiple takes, there was probably a script, but that doesn't really take away from it. I mean, you can't get more rehearsed and scripted than a song, but songs are some of the best ways to describe and get across a truth, emotional or otherwise, and it doesn't matter how many times the band has played it.
I appreciate the fact that he brought this up too. The way he's so frustrated with the detectives don't look like guilt, he's ANGRY that they are stripping away the message to focus on the medium. Focusing on the medium as a means to detract from the message is incredibly frustrating, and I'm sure that gets under the skin of a lot of artists.
The philosophy was wonderful and all, but the performance was spectacular. Your use of gesture and delivery in particular, it was subtle but it really hit the right notes and accentuated the performance. I mean, whilst I'm usually here for the revolutionary philosophy I'm here it seems, for this video, for your acting chops.
So flippin good! It is an interesting note that a parasocial relationship is still a bond, if not an intimate one. Also, Detective Ellis... Detective Strucci? I see what u did there, sir.
I like when the sun glasses dude said that he “identifies as detective streuchi” and you told him to stop. It kind of meant a lot to me. Like in a weirdly important way
Eyepatch and Shades have everything required to become a reocurring double act, I'm just saying Also I'm always in favour of longer deadlines for better results and happier workers, so definitely try out the monthly thing!
I strongly suspected the cosmonaut video and the transphobia one were filmed the same day. I watched them the same day myself, and I remarked to myself how emotionally haggard Olly looked. I was fairly new to the channel, I actually wondered if the glassy, teary, tired eyes were just how he looked all the time. But watching other videos showed me that was not the case, so I had come to that conclusion before watching this video. Suspicions vindicated!
Ollie, you are the person who opened me up to far left politics. Fist, your video on transphobia opened my eyes to how I was holding on to the seed of discrimination. Then, in your series on Liberalism, the way I view the world began to completely unravel. Thank you Ollie!!!
@@troubletaker6614 They hold some common ground because both take serious issue with the way class performs under liberalism. The important distinction is that the far right wants to make class static rather than fluid, while the far left wants to end all class distinction.
@@halfpintrr well, I'm not talking about horseshoe "theory". I'm just saying that advocacy of horrible things (which is made by both far wings) doesen't matter - whether it is advocacy by origin (rights) or by deeds (lefts). It is still horrible things.
Regarding the Patreon thing: I actually throw money at you because you help me with a lot of uni work and since I don’t want to be ‘the youtube person’ I always quote your sources and not you yourself..and I feel guilty..
"See, you can't rewrite, 'cause to rewrite is to deceive and lie, and you betray your own thoughts. To rethink the flow and the rhythm, the tumbling out of the words, is a betrayal, and it's a sin, Martin, it's a sin." “I don’t accept your Catholic interpretation of my compulsive necessity to rewrite every word at least 100 times. Guilt is the key, not sin. Guilt for not writing the best that I can. Guilt for not considering everything from every possible angle." - Naked Lunch
I love this! Ellis is a 10/10 character. Our internet relationship feels social two ways especially when you reply to my comments serially and you recognized me during a livestream! Your actions show that you care and it doesn't surprise me that you read comments every day. What a dad. Cheers
I love The Pillowman! Never thought I'd see such a detailed and thoughtful reference to it on TH-cam. You're awesome. I love how you're interrogating yourself. And NOBODY killed any kids! I like that part the best. Also, you're not exploiting us. We just like you and think we can learn from you. It's truly not a crime to be a successful creator. And if you need to go to one video a month to take care of yourself, I say go for it. But we will miss you.
Honestly, the correspondence theory of truth is a pain in the arse and has given me this exact same problem as part of my day to day life. Considering your "true" self is an existential nightmare.
dude, I´m nowhere near killing myself or have been lately, but I´m currently on a downward spiral, the cosmonaut video helped me connect me to my feelings and my humanity. before I was like literally sceptical about everything, I felt that everything, all existance is relative and ... whatever, dont go for it agian, thing is I dont know if I understand how you feel, but I feel with you. thanks dude.
This is super interesting. It was around the 20-minute mark that I realised all this talk of para-social relationships can be applied to all kinds of fields and relationships, not just art and the internet. I'm a social worker and I end up asking myself about authenticity at work. I get to work with people long-term, and so we do end up getting to know each other and forming a relationship (although, I know a lot more about my clients than they do about me... just one of the things that contributes to the power dynamics that we have to be aware of). I wouldn't be able to sustain the work that I do without being bringing my authentic self to work, and yet I make conscious decisions about what I say and what I share. Naturally, we can present different facets of ourself to different people in different settings, and I like to think they could all be authentic.
The video was amazing! It really provided a sense of tension with the interrogation scenario, and it all reminded me of debates I have with myself when I try to figure things out about what I think. Sometimes it is a struggle to explain an answer you know you have to an accusation, even to yourself. I don't have much to say about the actual topic of the video- you were pretty on point- but I am just really impressed with the way the scenario presented conveys the feelings of actually contemplating these questions. Enlightening as always, love your videos! :>
It is weird to watch this video now after you came out as Bisexual, saying that you can't speak to how tough it is to be authentic when you are gay. As someone who didn't think of myself as "truely" bisexual for a long time I know that feel of not wanting to claim that identify because you don't feel like you deserve it, especially when you are currently have a partner of the opposite gender and the public will just assume your straightness. Jusr wanted you to know how much your bisexual video was so validating for me.
I loved this. I think actors and other artists have a weird ? relationship with truth. I mean I can certainly act, but I almost can't lie about anything in my daily life.
This one is the one of the most self-critisized youtube videos ever. You've created a magnificent "acting/philosophy" mix in your channel. Glad to watch Ollie, thanks :)
Oliver....i am so sad. Its so sad to know that someone perfectly recreate on film what i go through dozens of times a day. It hurts to know you feel this way. I thought i had felt understood from the cosmonaught video, but this is another level. Im sobbing right now. Keep up the fight Olly. Thats what im doing right now too.
This is so meta my head hurts... But the humor was so smart. I feel like I just absorbed a lot of information so I'm not up to a real thoughtful or contributing comment. Just have to take my word it was thought provoking and I gained something!
I haven't seen any content on TH-cam that is this well made, and makes me think this thoroughly as this video. People say things are deep so much that the word has lost its impact, but this is DEEP. There are most likely levels to this that I, as a 17 year old, can't understand yet. This is, most definitely, without a doubt, art.
How about you do one of these big production videos once a month, but you do one of those "talking to the camera lectures" more often to balance it all out.
"I discovered at a very early age that if I talk long enough, I can make anything right (or wrong); so either I'm god, or truth is relative. And in either case, boo-yah" -Jeff Winger, Community.
Another beautiful work of art. As someone who moved away from the drama industry because of a lot of toxic bullshit in my local community, it’s super refreshing to see these concepts discussed in such an open and interesting way. Reminds me why I fell in love with performing to begin with. Things like that make all the crap I went through worth it.
10:36 "This section of the video here where you talk about some of the *really* personal things: how many takes of that section did you do?" That moment fucked me up so bad the first time I saw it. It really sunk in to me how much everything in youtube media is curated, no matter how "authentic" or true it is.
Yes. She came out! The entire end section is double meta! It was all an act! (???) The little breadcrumbs alluding to her actually being a woman sprinkled all about her videos are spectacular.
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U gone done changed the game :P i like it ^^ theatherical
I love how the main interrogator is only seeing half the story so he has 1 eyepatch. Whereas the goon is seeing the whole story, but through a particular filter so he has sunglasses. Well played and I hope that was on purpose.
It was! :P I'm so glad you noticed!
Probably why it's black and white as well. ;)
HOLY SHIT!!! Mind blown!
woooooooooooooow !!!
Now I feel dumb but then smart and thank you.
I'm glad DS Ellis is the bad cop.
It's a classic tale of good cop, Nietzschean cop
I kinda want to see you two do a cross-over. I think that would be cool. Some Art Philosophy, or Feminist Philosophy... maybe Feminist Art Philosophy? I dunno, that might be fun.
@@PhilosophyTube "There is no universal morality. only will to power. and with that knowledge in mind, I have chosen to become an interrogator"
@@MPythonGirl It'd probably involve a clip of Bumblebee peeing on John Turturro. Some protocols must be observed!
@@MPythonGirl I've had the same thought :)
Dude, this is so fake! You didn't even gouge your eye out for the part of the inspector with the eyepatch! You're probably not even scottish!
@@sethapex9670 Actually, I think it's theorized that this is why most pirates wore eye-patches. Their eyes were fine, they just needed one used to the dark, so that they wouldn't need to spend time adjusting to it.
Pretty smart, honestly. Wish I were that clever.
@@sethapex9670
For some reason that sounds to me like something Dwight Schrute would say 😂
'probably'
Syogren
They were mostly using an invention that has been made by others before (they were taught to do so by another pirate that did so). You most probably typed your comment on a device that was engineered (invented) by people before you so your cleverness is at least comparable to the cleverness of most pirates 😉
thanks for ruining it for me!
"your real name"
"that is my real name"
"it's not the one you were born with"
"that's the one i preform under"
"are you preforming right now?"
This hits differently.
And all the stuff about presenting differently on screen and all that too
Don't forget the part where there is specifically a line about not being trans
I know it's none of my business.
But I must admit, I'd still be *fascinated* to have a rough idea of when Abi realised herself she was Trans, when she was out to her friends, when she was transitioning etc. It would reframe a lot of these older videos that touch on identity, performance etc...
It breaks me how relatable Philosophy Tube's trans coming out story is
Yeah. Yeah it does
"Do you have political views?"
"... Yeah."
"Nothing that's gonna cause a problem for us, though. Right?"
"I'm sure you'll decide that for yourself."
*smiles* "That's a good answer."
I have been thinking about this exchange every few hours since this dropped.
deadly TRIFORCE Do you still think about it?
What about now? Do you still?
@@bluemonkey1559 I wonder if I'll still be thinking about it...
Oh...but SHOULD we let the same asshole decide for OURSELVES? Hmmm🤔 a-no. I think not. Because I certainly wouldn’t let him.
@Joe Average Better to make the asshole WORK to that end than to take ourselves there for him
never been so invested in a man talking to himself before
I’ve been multiple times, being a massive fan of sander sides and Markipliers egos. I live for this kinda thing, for some reason.
Idk, have you seen Doctor Who?
It's cause he's not talking to himself, he's talking to you.
Herself :)
“It’s the name I perform under” hits different now
"What if you were trans-facking-gender?" What if indeed
Especially with the specific fact that she spent about a year doing videos while not being publicly out (out to friends and family of course but yeah).
Like she wasn't just doing the stuff raised in this, but like at the most basic level "performing a gender" as well as a role as well as a youtuber.
this is all fun and everything, but remember: don't talk to cops.
even the ones in your own head
Elfarcher73 ESPECIALLY the ones in your head.
@@michelsand5399 so if they arrest you is that for a THOUGHTcrime?
Andreas Kofer oh you beautiful bastard, that was absolutely genius!
@@michelsand5399 thanks, i practice. =)
Sure sure this is all very interesting but DS Ellis threatening the editor in real time was honestly lifechanging
DONT YOU F*CKIN CENSOR ME YOU FUCK
RG Hunter
This right here is why I gave the video a thumbs up
me, watching my first philosophy tube video: wow that was a smart and well-written video essay
me, ten videos later, in a silk robe while a cigarette hangs loosely from my lips: daddy
never have i related to a comment more
no smoking in the theater
Wouldn't your cigarette fall off?
Mood
so fab+cute omment I laughed
Lefty TH-cam going HARD on productions.
The power of mutual aid.
The power of social links, of bonds
Mommy Contra making schools, baby!
Well, looks the Liberal (heh) Arts are paying off
The choice of retro electronic music in the end made my think of ContraPoints
Funny, even the moment of "authenticity" at the end is of course him asking whether he stepped on the toes of the other actor that didn't exist because it was also him. A reminder that even the part that's "not acting" is still acting because of how many layers of artifice exist in content creation or any performance. And yet, the performance remains true despite or perhaps because of said artifice.
The part I was most conscious of this was when he went to sleep.
I figured "stepped on his toes" was about whether he kept his dialogue in pace with the others
Perhaps, but he could just have been asking if his character he just played stepped on the toes of that other character. I guess the question if it was "acting" or not falls on if it was intended to be included in the video or not when being performed.
@Lee Boone
Especially because he "went to sleep" in his cloths! Who does that? ;)
And still underlining the point: "Does it matter that it's not real if the performance resonated with you?" v. nice :)
my last three brain cells arguing
i love the added layer of meta-ness of the characters knowing theyre characters in a youtube video but believing themselves and the situation theyre in to be real lmao!
Much as we know we’re in this thing that we call reality yet it is impossible to discern if it is real or an illusion, but we believe it to be real anyway because....it’s more fun that way.
The "detective inspector" bit absolutely broke me, repretedly. Comedic queen.
My inner voices aren't nearly as handsome or polite. The dont have jobs either. Should I be more concerned with their indigence?
@Dylan Chouinard I do that with my housemate's cat but currently both my inner voice and the cat seem to have a similar response
@@Eisofice What's their response? Do they say nothing? Or do they only bother you when you'd rather they didn't?
@@jemesmemes9026 "More food. More sleeps!"
Epilogue: Ellis and Strucci went out to watch Julius Caesar after this and Ellis taught Strucci the value of friendship and Strucci helped Ellis with his anger issues and they were inseparable friends for years and eventually lovers
Your fanfic did the thing
We need this pinned to the top!
I would like to propose Ellucci as their ship name
Theyll have such beautiful children
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I just want to point out how good the writing and acting in this is. I know he does this for a living so of course he's good or whatever but like seriously I could fEEL what the characters were thinking just from little flicks of the eyes, this is amazing. The kind of acting i could pour over again and again to pick up all the little nuances. Damn good job, man
by the end of the video I realized that he had been pulling me from one emotional landing to the next with just enough softness and force... it kept me moving through the script unquestioning and almost unaware of my own heart and mind.
So much thought, detail, skill and passion flows into these videos and it shows.
I know this is such an inconsequential point but I wanted to say as a Scottish person I am really impressed by the accent.
Wow. This is turning into some real theatre by the looks of it.
It's even based on a play!
the trial by Franz Kafka right @@PhilosophyTube
@@mathieuleader8601 my guess is the same...as this video advances. [Edit: not sure though]
Either way...great stuff.
Edit 2: guess I missed the opening of the video. It is Pillow Man. Not The Trial.
I heard it as a radio play @Der Herr Seriös wünscht gesiezt zu werden
@Der Herr Seriös wünscht gesiezt zu werden you're right, it isn't. Not only because Olly states the name of the play quite explicitly, but also because it may be too much of stretch if one wishes to interpret it like that. The random appearance of authority without any explicit reason (i.e. the charge) did give the impression that it could be related to Kafka's novel... But the task our man undertakes here is *quite* different.
I’m a high school teacher and much of what’s explored in terms of parasocial relations resonates.
An educator in a student-teacher relation has to leverage a performative (often sunnier) version of themselves; in part because it’s an effective way to engage with and gain investment from our children, but also because we’re limited by the professional boundaries that dictate what’s an appropriate thought, affect, or mode of expression to reveal in front of a younger audience. In that vein, I see my existence vis-a-vis my children as a curated symbol-one that reflects my emotional truth but guided by a selective process of manufactured authenticity.
I feel as a teacher (or any public role) it’s important to model the best version of ourselves, even if that means being selective and strategic with how we emote, engage with others, and self-express. Our constant performance can make us feel disingenuous and manipulative at times, but your video reminded me that it’s OK-so long as we stay grounded in our emotional truth ❤️
Tk Thompkins +
I thought about teaching too! I agree with what you've said. As a TEFL teacher, I even moderate the language I use so that it can be more easily understood by my kids, even if it's not completely "accurate" to what I want to "authentically" say. I definitely have a "teacher persona" that's a little bit more happy than my typical non-workplace self. I can even recall specific lies I've told my kids. For example, if an 8 year old pre-intermediate English learner asks me what my favorite movie is, it would be confusing for me to answer with a movie they've never heard of (and for me to have to explain the plot and the actors they've never heard of - I usually pick a Disney movie from the past 4-5 years to answer that question.) Teaching is absolutely a performance, but I would be completely drained and tired out if I didn't bring myself to that performance. (Also, kids are sharp- they can feel when things are fake with you.)
Tk Thompkins Wow. I’m a high school teacher as well, but I didn’t think of this. Very interesting take!
I must say that I absolutely loathed the inauthenticity of many teachers, growing up.
nd4spd That makes me wonder if/when I overdo it.
It also raises an interesting question on how/why we find certain performances of authenticity grating while not others.
For example, do you find Ollie’s “inauthenticity” as a TH-camr annoying? (I feel personalities like Shane Dawson or MatPat can enter cringe territory with their performance sometimes.) Or does the question not apply because our relationship to him is more parasocial than an in-person teacher-student one?
skit game on point 👏🏼😂
That's how the play is gamed.
@@PanAndScanBuddy That is such a beautiful line, mind if I steal it?
A lie is a falsehood told with the intent to deceive. There are other kinds of falsehoods, like sarcasm or simply being wrong, for example.
Acting, writing, and other forms of art are a falsehood used to convey a message about a truth. Neither the artist nor the audience believes that what they are experiencing is literal reality, but rather an metaphorical experience that conveys a deeper meaning; by definition, not a lie.
As an aside, I absolutely despised the characters of the detectives. They remind me of my own ideal self (or selves) - the 'rational' one beating you up with the loaded questions and the abusive 'emotional' one doing its best to grind you into the floor. Neither caring about the actual truth; both only striving to shame and punish you. Its not often that I want to punch a fictional character in the face. You did an amazing job writing and acting them.
I totally relate. They did remind me a lot of my shitty not so ideal ideal self (or selves).
we stan fourth wall demolition
Honestly I was kind of sad that your videos were showing up less often but if that's the price I have to pay for this magnificent quality, I have no objections.
Yes completely.
Pains me, but agreed.
Wait Detectives Ellis and Strucci were prolly references to Lindsay Ellis (who did that vid on authenticity on TH-cam) and Shannon Strucci (who did that other vid on parasocial relationships)
Well yes, the document in the background at 2:50 makes the connection very clear
I have to say, I'm enjoying the dialectic turn of Leftube at the moment. Even BadMouse has jumped aboard. We're taking back radical creativity. Love and solidarity from Ireland!
Bro, real-talk, this video is an editing masterpiece. The censoring thing at 17 min really got me.
Ollies, leave Olly alone!
You have seriously outdone yourself. Amazing video.
It doesn't feel as if it gets enough mentions, but seriously, great cinematography in this one! The use of values are on point!
Flat black/white for the interrogator stuck between binaries (truth/lies, right/wrong), and mid-range shades of grey for the nuanced author avatar. The two inspectors at first forming a yin-yang of contrasts (mostly white on black backgroung/ mostly black on white background) until they switch and rub against the previous harmony. Once drenched in their own elements, the wild and jagged leather broadcast the more personal, aggressive tone, while the stoic becomes almost uncharacteristically smug and condescending.
I found it especially interesting to interpret the characters as an Id, Superego and Ego trio. Eyes concealed (ruled by instinct and passion), one covered (narrowminded, strict absolutes) and two eyes wide open (complete - empathetic yet fallible)
That's... really insightful actually.
Quick question, can the Id, Superego and Ego be related to Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis? Id, Thesis (base urges, instincts), negation of Thesis to Superego, Antithesis (absolute ideas, strict regulation), then the negation of the negation to the Ego, Synthesis (the complete person, who can relate to others, form ideas and change them). And then, could this be an imagining of the stages of society as imagined by Marx? Id, Thesis, primitive man (animalistic, dominated by base urges) negated to Antithesis, Superego, class society (strict hierarchical relationships, codified and enforced laws and deeply held beliefs and traditions) negated to Synthesis, Ego, Communism.
Or have I been reading too much Žižek? Shniff.
@@RaunienTheFirst Dunno, maybe? I will admit I haven't read any marxist literature, but the Theses can definitely represent those stages of societies if seen through Kuhn's Paradigms (though Kuhn himself was fiercely against it).
I'm not sure if the they can be mapped out over a human's psyche however, since there's a distintly temporal aspect to the societal analysis (society changes from one standard to another), whereas a human will never be ruled entirely by any one part of their psyche. It will always be an amalgamtion of all of them.
@@bygon432 I'm just throwing ideas at a metaphorical wall and seeing if any stick, I don't really know what I'm talking about.
That's a good point though. But couldn't one say that at various stages of human societal development, different parts of the psyche are allowed to flourish?
I don't really believe in any rationalisable human "progress" it's all just random people doing stuff and we apply this notion of progress to make ourselves feel better about where we are and where we might be going. But it's fun to speculate.
Those handcuffs weren’t bought for this video, he just has them-
Well, it’s official. I’m in love with Olly Thorn from PhilosophyTube
Are you also in love with DC Ellis, though?
@@camipco God, YES.
But ... butbut he is MY waifu!! >.
His voice is BUTTER 💕
Watching this, I'm reminded of this quote by Alan Moore:
"in my work as an author, I traffic in fiction, I do not traffic in lies, although I'll admit that the distinction is a nice one, and perhaps not easy for the layman to make. With fiction, with art, with writing, it's important that even if you're dealing with areas of complete outrageous fantasy that there is an emotional resonance. It is important that a story ring true upon a human level even if it never happened."
One a month is grand with me. My subbox is chock anywhos, better content and a happier host is preferred than quantity
I do appreciate having so many videos from this channel, but self-care is more important. Don't burn out for it, if one a month is better for you then do that!
@@jamesjwr The thing is, these days he doesn't make the lectures, which are better in bulk, and I'd judge not TOO hard to make. The arty videos he does now need quality over quantity, so having longer breaks is better.
It's interesting to me, that I hadn't realised I was thinking about this, but even though I adored the cosmonaut video, I was aware of and thought about the fact that it probably took multiple takes, there was probably a script, but that doesn't really take away from it. I mean, you can't get more rehearsed and scripted than a song, but songs are some of the best ways to describe and get across a truth, emotional or otherwise, and it doesn't matter how many times the band has played it.
thats a fantastic analogy! i love it
I appreciate the fact that he brought this up too. The way he's so frustrated with the detectives don't look like guilt, he's ANGRY that they are stripping away the message to focus on the medium. Focusing on the medium as a means to detract from the message is incredibly frustrating, and I'm sure that gets under the skin of a lot of artists.
First time watching this particular video. Ellis's speech at 19:50 hits a certain way now.
You have turned fourth wall breaking into an informative art form
Most Underrated Channel™️
2018 acting school version of Plato writing the Socratic dialogues
Which is just as muddy of a topic re. authenticity and objective truth...
The philosophy was wonderful and all, but the performance was spectacular. Your use of gesture and delivery in particular, it was subtle but it really hit the right notes and accentuated the performance. I mean, whilst I'm usually here for the revolutionary philosophy I'm here it seems, for this video, for your acting chops.
"He doesn't have any friends"
Savage.
You did it again Olly, presenting academic philosophical questions in an approachable and artistic manner. You're truly an inspiration to me!
Are they living in a land inhabited only by Olly-people? Dare I say.. an Ollygarchy :))
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Whhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy xD
Yessss
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Upon further reflection, I welcome the influence and leadership of an array of cloned Oliver archetypes. Long live the Olly-garchy! 😂
So flippin good! It is an interesting note that a parasocial relationship is still a bond, if not an intimate one.
Also, Detective Ellis... Detective Strucci? I see what u did there, sir.
Uh... Explain?
@@eve36368 Lindsey Ellis and StrucciMovies are two youtubers who made videos on parasocial relationships, they're both very good videos
I didn't even watch Lindsay's video on this and now I feel like I should
You comment made me have such an 'Ooooooooohhh' momemt xD
I got the Ellis reference...
The kids in the next dorm over are drunk and blasting polka
Brings a whole different vibe to the video
I like when the sun glasses dude said that he “identifies as detective streuchi” and you told him to stop. It kind of meant a lot to me. Like in a weirdly important way
Well Abi did write and perform transphobia, and I have a feeling she might just understand why that sort of thing is quite harmful. (I wonder why...)
Eyepatch and Shades have everything required to become a reocurring double act, I'm just saying
Also I'm always in favour of longer deadlines for better results and happier workers, so definitely try out the monthly thing!
One vid a month is plenty :)
True. Also, your name is giving me flashbacks to a period of life I'd rather forget.
What the fuck is your name tho dude omg
Andrea Rupe its a homestuck reference.
No one vid a month ain't plenty, not for the algorithm at least...
arandomguy9 Olly’s physical and mental well-being > Literally anything else
"That's the name I preform under". I just got that.
20:00 hits REALLY different now
Ollie, knowing that you read comments on the morning, I just want to tell you this was one of my favourite videos of yours, and have a good morning!
Eye patch - only one eye can see; no depth perception. Takes things at face value.
Sunglasses - a darker view. Is cynical.
I really want a spin off series with Detective Ellis and Detective Strucci now. Fantastic job on this one, Olly. And your accent was on fire! xx
Maybe they can arrest The Arsonist and have a chat with him next!
@@General12th Let's be real. The arsonist is probably good friends with their boss.
I strongly suspected the cosmonaut video and the transphobia one were filmed the same day. I watched them the same day myself, and I remarked to myself how emotionally haggard Olly looked. I was fairly new to the channel, I actually wondered if the glassy, teary, tired eyes were just how he looked all the time. But watching other videos showed me that was not the case, so I had come to that conclusion before watching this video. Suspicions vindicated!
“the one i perform under”
how true indeed
Ollie, you are the person who opened me up to far left politics. Fist, your video on transphobia opened my eyes to how I was holding on to the seed of discrimination. Then, in your series on Liberalism, the way I view the world began to completely unravel. Thank you Ollie!!!
Well, far left is not the contrary to far right. They are actually the same in performance (as a bloodlust monster) but different in form.
@@troubletaker6614 They hold some common ground because both take serious issue with the way class performs under liberalism. The important distinction is that the far right wants to make class static rather than fluid, while the far left wants to end all class distinction.
@@CheapSkateGamer96 far left wants to make two classes - all unclassified people and nomenclature
Trouble Taker The horseshoe theory is bullshit.
@@halfpintrr well, I'm not talking about horseshoe "theory". I'm just saying that advocacy of horrible things (which is made by both far wings) doesen't matter - whether it is advocacy by origin (rights) or by deeds (lefts). It is still horrible things.
Regarding the Patreon thing: I actually throw money at you because you help me with a lot of uni work and since I don’t want to be ‘the youtube person’ I always quote your sources and not you yourself..and I feel guilty..
"See, you can't rewrite, 'cause to rewrite is to deceive and lie, and you betray your own thoughts. To rethink the flow and the rhythm, the tumbling out of the words, is a betrayal, and it's a sin, Martin, it's a sin." “I don’t accept your Catholic interpretation of my compulsive necessity to rewrite every word at least 100 times. Guilt is the key, not sin. Guilt for not writing the best that I can. Guilt for not considering everything
from every possible angle." - Naked Lunch
Variant God, that movie kicks ass.
I love this! Ellis is a 10/10 character. Our internet relationship feels social two ways especially when you reply to my comments serially and you recognized me during a livestream! Your actions show that you care and it doesn't surprise me that you read comments every day. What a dad. Cheers
Hey, foreverwantingpie! Nice to have you back in the comments section, I remember you from a while back! Can't forget that David Tennant picture lol
I love The Pillowman! Never thought I'd see such a detailed and thoughtful reference to it on TH-cam. You're awesome. I love how you're interrogating yourself. And NOBODY killed any kids! I like that part the best.
Also, you're not exploiting us. We just like you and think we can learn from you. It's truly not a crime to be a successful creator. And if you need to go to one video a month to take care of yourself, I say go for it. But we will miss you.
I put off watching this video for months because, knowing the plot of the pillowman, I was afraid of what would happen in this video
I see you got around your “never being mean to anyone” rule by acting mean to yourself. Nice one!
Honestly, the correspondence theory of truth is a pain in the arse and has given me this exact same problem as part of my day to day life. Considering your "true" self is an existential nightmare.
It works wonders if your metaphysics allows for a realm of fictional existence :)
dude, I´m nowhere near killing myself or have been lately, but I´m currently on a downward spiral, the cosmonaut video helped me connect me to my feelings and my humanity.
before I was like literally sceptical about everything, I felt that everything, all existance is relative and ... whatever, dont go for it agian, thing is I dont know if I understand how you feel, but I feel with you.
thanks dude.
This is super interesting. It was around the 20-minute mark that I realised all this talk of para-social relationships can be applied to all kinds of fields and relationships, not just art and the internet. I'm a social worker and I end up asking myself about authenticity at work. I get to work with people long-term, and so we do end up getting to know each other and forming a relationship (although, I know a lot more about my clients than they do about me... just one of the things that contributes to the power dynamics that we have to be aware of). I wouldn't be able to sustain the work that I do without being bringing my authentic self to work, and yet I make conscious decisions about what I say and what I share. Naturally, we can present different facets of ourself to different people in different settings, and I like to think they could all be authentic.
I'd miss the two videos a month but I'd understand, mental health first.
Agreed. Burnout is a bastard, so once a month for this quite high level of content makes sense.
“Each man must be true to his selves, plural.” Zadie Smith
The video was amazing!
It really provided a sense of tension with the interrogation scenario, and it all reminded me of debates I have with myself when I try to figure things out about what I think.
Sometimes it is a struggle to explain an answer you know you have to an accusation, even to yourself.
I don't have much to say about the actual topic of the video- you were pretty on point- but I am just really impressed with the way the scenario presented conveys the feelings of actually contemplating these questions.
Enlightening as always, love your videos! :>
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For those a bit sensitive, the chewing stops at 0:35, so, it's not long. Or put volume down until then. You won't miss any text.
It is weird to watch this video now after you came out as Bisexual, saying that you can't speak to how tough it is to be authentic when you are gay. As someone who didn't think of myself as "truely" bisexual for a long time I know that feel of not wanting to claim that identify because you don't feel like you deserve it, especially when you are currently have a partner of the opposite gender and the public will just assume your straightness. Jusr wanted you to know how much your bisexual video was so validating for me.
This applies even more since she's come out as trans
I really like to see the ContraPoints influence in your recent videos!
Matze Lvithn Exactly! I thought the same. They are both awesome!
She's really spearheaded an improvement in the quality of leftist content online, both informationally and aesthetically.
INTERESTING INDEED
Matze Lvithn agreed. Shipping Natalie and Olly so hard.
I think I have seen this exact comment, verbatim in all his 5 last videos.
this is too much for my gay heart to handle
Olly congratulations, this video is just like a perfect structured short-story, and really inspired me to get back into writing
Also, maybe the truth in a artwork is on the coherence in which the author expresses his ideas and feelings
I love your performance in this one, I've watched it a few times. Particularly the "how many takes" bit feels so vulnerable and tender. Chef kiss
20:00 rings different now
The whole video does in a big way, but yeah, that rant, man... ooof! But the mental health glow up between then and now is SO real :')
I loved this. I think actors and other artists have a weird ? relationship with truth. I mean I can certainly act, but I almost can't lie about anything in my daily life.
I'm gonna call Shannon "Detective Inspector Strucci" from now on tbh
B)
@@StrucciMovies eyyyy its the lefttube parasocial discourse og. absolutely love your stuff and your perspective, keep going.
@@dnys_7827 hey! Thank you! :)
god damn this episode hit different now
Rewatching this now. It's so well done.
Anybody else coming here after being emotionally affected by her new vid?
This one is the one of the most self-critisized youtube videos ever. You've created a magnificent "acting/philosophy" mix in your channel. Glad to watch Ollie, thanks :)
Oliver....i am so sad. Its so sad to know that someone perfectly recreate on film what i go through dozens of times a day. It hurts to know you feel this way. I thought i had felt understood from the cosmonaught video, but this is another level. Im sobbing right now. Keep up the fight Olly. Thats what im doing right now too.
This is so meta my head hurts... But the humor was so smart. I feel like I just absorbed a lot of information so I'm not up to a real thoughtful or contributing comment. Just have to take my word it was thought provoking and I gained something!
oh you were performing alright
I haven't seen any content on TH-cam that is this well made, and makes me think this thoroughly as this video. People say things are deep so much that the word has lost its impact, but this is DEEP. There are most likely levels to this that I, as a 17 year old, can't understand yet. This is, most definitely, without a doubt, art.
ContraPoints.
touché!
@@theorosef ^__^
All I can say about Olly's content lately is that it leaves me enlightendly aroused.
tagline for his channel tbh
Amazing video, also one of the few times an Scottish accent was done well.
he did slip up on the accent at times though - keeping an accent going with raised voice is difficult - but still a damn good effort
An actor is like the pianist who both puts the music into the piano and takes it out
How did this break the fourth wall in all the most perfect ways humanly possible?
I mean, I definitely swear this much. It's like punctuation. (Context: I'm Scottish, specifically Glaswegian. Pretty sweary)
This was seriously meta
metaPHYSICAL!
How about you do one of these big production videos once a month, but you do one of those "talking to the camera lectures" more often to balance it all out.
The only kind of police interrogation I like: the one where they sit you down and grill you with philosophical questions.
"I discovered at a very early age that if I talk long enough, I can make anything right (or wrong); so either I'm god, or truth is relative. And in either case, boo-yah" -Jeff Winger, Community.
Another beautiful work of art. As someone who moved away from the drama industry because of a lot of toxic bullshit in my local community, it’s super refreshing to see these concepts discussed in such an open and interesting way. Reminds me why I fell in love with performing to begin with. Things like that make all the crap I went through worth it.
10:36
"This section of the video here where you talk about some of the *really* personal things: how many takes of that section did you do?"
That moment fucked me up so bad the first time I saw it. It really sunk in to me how much everything in youtube media is curated, no matter how "authentic" or true it is.
Im from the future and I liked this video. Leather looks good on you!
How strange. This video appears to have a fifth wall.
Yes. She came out! The entire end section is double meta! It was all an act! (???) The little breadcrumbs alluding to her actually being a woman sprinkled all about her videos are spectacular.