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There's a certain irony to saying something isn't art because it is grotesque, given that we get the term from sculptures of the same name
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Can someone explain this comment to me
@magnoliatree123 a grotesque is a type of statue or sculpture carved into a building's exterior. Generally they were monsters like chimeras or manticores, and if they also dealt with water, those were known as gargoyles. They had something to with warding off evil spirits, I think. I forget if the spirit thing was debunked
But yeah, grotesque became a perjorative because people were comparing something or someone to this statue of some warped monstorous amalgum
@@magnoliatree123 this is my guess here, but I think what the original comment was saying was that the word "grotesque" the one that means repulsively ugly comes from a specific type of sculpture genre of the same name.
It becomes ironic because sculptures (no matter how they look) are considered art.
(Like, you know how music has different genres but each one is still called music? I think it's similar to that. Like sculpture is the overall word for what they are and the grotesque is just a specific genre of sculptures.)
(This is my guess. I could be completely wrong.)
The first paragraph under 'grotesque' on Wikipedia explains it fairly well:
'Since at least the 18th century (in French and German, as well as English), grotesque has come to be used as a general adjective for the strange, mysterious, magnificent, fantastic, hideous, ugly, incongruous, unpleasant, or disgusting, and thus is often used to describe weird shapes and distorted forms such as Halloween masks. In art, performance, and literature, however, grotesque may also refer to something that simultaneously invokes an audience feeling of uncomfortable bizarreness as well as sympathetic pity.'
“art is meant to comfort the disturbed, and disturb the comforted.” it can be “grotesque” but it’s still art
Bingo. People think art can't be grotesque, but that's the point of art. It's supposed to make you think, consider, look from a different perspective.
Nope, art is meant to edify and elevate the mind towards the 3 Transcendentals - the True, the Good, and the Beautiful
That’s such an overused and arrogant quote
If the artists can't even come up with a universal definition of art then I will stick to the broadest definition I know - art is short for artificial. It's as simple as that. Art doesn't have to be good or bad or thought provoking or anything else just some human being had to have a hand in its design, assembly or creation. A sunset is not art but a picture of a sunset is art.
@@carsonianthegreat4672 says who?
TH-cam shorts is really pushing this movie the past few days 😂
I know right and I can't find it
So it's not just me 😅
It's on max I think! It's called Mona Lisa Smile
same I love it, would watch it someday
RIGHT?!!?
This is a great art school. They not making you become the teacher.
She's just teaching, I LOVE IT
@Squirreler359 Teaching is also about inspiring your students to think independently, explore new perspectives and push themselves outside their little preconceived boxes.
@Squirreler359 its more than that😅
@Squirreler359 oh of course, go learn math from a teacher who just asks questions and listens...
@@JAMoore-zz3ki Teaching is also about imparting knowledge. This class is about art, the teacher can afford to be more philosophical; some subjects unfortunately have to be taught in a more practical way.
I'm a language teacher, and if I'm too philosophical I simply won't get my students to learn anything. "But what *is* language? What is a preposition? Who decides what is a word and what is its meaning?" Can't do that. I gotta tell 'em. If I was teaching linguistics it would be a different story.
@Squirreler359very much misunderstood me. But thats okay
Great female cast
Female version of school ties.
@artisticskillz01 Yes! That's an amazing movie! Wow! 👏👏👏👏 to you for mentioning that movie ❤❤❤❤❤❤
What movie please
@@Boo-pv4hn Mona lisa smile
Excuse U. Don't assume their gender.
Julia Roberts, Maggie Gyllenhall and Kirsten Dunst. Excellent actors.
You forgot Ginnifer Goodwin, who played Snow White in Once Upon A Time
@@yukilover91the back and forth with Roberts Dunbar and Goodwin is master class in scene writing cause they are able to illustrate 3 general concepts: She who knows (Roberts) She who wants to know (Goodwin) and She who thinks she knows (dunst) there are others in the scene but they all bounce between those 3 main characters. In doing so the writers clue you in to the idea that the teacher isn’t arguing to argue hell she is t even arguing she is effectively giving dunst enough rope to hange herself while she proves a point to the rest of the class all while hoping dunst figures out the point before the rope gets too long.
You can see this is a lot of movies especially with Julia Roberts because she does this cat and mouse game so perfectly
and Julia Stiles!
Maggie Gyllenhaal has a full bush
@skyesmith5683 Wow! You worded and understood this idea so perfectly and clearly explained what the writers, director, actors, overall story line of this film were trying to convey! And that’s what they did! Love this movie and a phenomenal female cast, and how impowering it is/was for women at the time period it’s set in, but also even now! Round of applause for u my friend, thank u for being the paragraph guy 😂 u and ur service is so helpful more than u know :)
The word "grotesque" has a fascinating origin. Emperor Nero had a huge palace called "domus aurea". When he was gone, this palace was not destroyed; rather, it was filled up to the top with rubble from another building site, and on top, a bath was built. 1500 years later, the rubble in the palace had sagged, creating caves under the surface of the long-ruined baths. People broke into those caves which they called "grottos". And in those grottos, they found wall paintings from Roman times that were completely different from the paintings they had.
So they called that art "grotesque" - "art from the grotto".
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Wow! Thanks for sharing.
Wow 😳
Thank you. Loved reading this. Wish i knew you in real life
Learning more from YT comments than school 😂🤣
I learned it from the guide when I visited the Domus Aurea. She told us this story, and when I looked it up, it turned out to be true.
My Independent Thinking is what Saved My life.
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How?
@@maipardhan I went within with prayer 🙏🏻
@@maipardhanit gave me the ability to separate my life and needs from how others raised me to believe they are. It also gave me the ability to understand that my identity has ZERO to do with anyone else and is designed entirely by choice upon self awareness. Essentially it made me become me.
✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️ PARADiGM FORWARD~ thus the fear-centered, #️⃣W○KE-scared, chaos through which 《collective》"we" are presently traveling as we disengage and extricate from +2000 years' evolutionary consciousness and societal conditioning anchored in #️⃣conformism.
" A mind once expanded, never returns to its original dimension!!"
Who said this?
@@trustgod4053 it was just something I would hear back in the 70s. Sounds like something that Timothy Leary would say but I think Ralph waldo Emerson is credited for saying something like it. The 60s & 70s was weird but fun!! Wish I could remember them...🤔
@@trustgod4053 " in Deo speramus"
This is such a wonderful way to get independent thinkers. I need to use this idea in my classroom! I'm an elementary school teacher, but kids deserve to be taught from an early age how to turn on their thinking brains.
Yes please!!!! Thats amazing. Hope you all the best!!
You want to encourage independent thinking AND show art? I’m sorry, you’re not a good fit for the US public school system; have you thought about starting a TH-cam channel? As an elementary school teacher, you’ll find the maturity level familiar…
@@epbrown01 want to explain yourself , or are you just fine with showing an empty opinion and perspective revealing yourself to have no understanding of independent thinking?
For elementary school? I would use the vase or the two faces piece. If you see the vase then you stand on one side of the room, faces stands on the other. Pull one student from each group to explain where they see the vase (the white) and the faces (the black). This allows freedom of thinking to be encouraged because both are right, it just depends on if you're looking at the negative or positive space.
That's my idea on it anyway.
@@epbrown01 Wowza.🤣
The script here is brilliant, and the actresses are terrific!! A+
Could you tell me the movie title??
@@nataliaramirez5460Mona Lisa smile
Mary Jane vs Mary Margarette arguing over a painting of a corpse was never a possibility in my mind.
My first thought was "Of course snow White like grotesque art"
Mona Lisa Smile 2003
How I see it is like. Art is something created to cause a reaction/ emotional response. Disgust, joy, awe, sadness, isolation, etc. It must be created, a field isn't art as it is just naturally occurring but a painting of a field is art as it was made.
I would argue that art doesnt necessarily have to be *created* to be art. (I'll elaborate, bear with me.)
All art is simply expression of the artist and interpretation of the audience. it doesnt exactly have to invoke a specific reaction from viewers. It doesnt have to tell a story. It doesnt even really need to be shared with others. And I dont think it has to be something physical you can see or touch or hear. Philosophy could and should count as an art medium too, after all. Its really just all about Expression, and how it connects you to yourself and the world. Thats the beauty of Art.
Tbh, feilds are pretty cool just as they are. And really, If you stop and think about it and appreciate it, have you not just created a little bit of art within your own head?
Christians and Creationism would suggest that God made that naturally occurring field, so does that make it art now? 😜😂❤️
@MasioW To try and answer your question imo, Christians and others who believe God created the naturally occurring field would most likely see it as art. Even non- believers may view the field as art. I strongly believe that art is decided on by each individual person strictly based on the fact that art can’t be proven; it can be agreed on,though, by two or more people who have the same opinion on a piece of art. ✌️❤️🙂
I love these kind of discussions in classrooms. So thought provoking, argument ensuing and Cristal thinking. My heart yearns for these discussions.
Everything is art. My professor in psychology used to play a random video each day right before starting, because "psychology is everything." I feel the same way about art.
Watching this and seeing how many of these actresses ended up in Marvel and DC movies or video game adaptations is insane 😮
Art is art if it moves you, whether it’s good or bad feeling.
There are so many wonderful actresses in this movie.😊
What is the name of this movie ? Can you tell me please
@@creativeactivities9023Mona Lisa Smile
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder💯
...or bee holder... 🤷🏻♂️
It all depends on your allergies
We actually discussed this in my art class once. My professor said that art's true meaning is based on the people who perceive it. As long as that something holds meaning to either the creator or the viewer, it's art.
Art, at it's very root, is something that makes you feel. Be it comforted or perturbed or angry or anything, and if you or anyone feels anything, then it is art.
As a nerd coming from death metal and video games grotesque art is a big part of both communities. I mean people who don't listen to metal see our album covers and im sure find them horrid or vile... When in reality a massive chunk of metal covers came from amaaaazing artists like beksinski, Michael Whelan or Dan seagrave. Shit Francis bacon's art is some of the most upsetting art you'll ever see... Still art.
i am very open to what can be considered art. what i get more picky about is how much money should it command.
This was such a great short I rented the movie. It was even better than I expected it to be. 😊
This is a good way to frame how art is viewed. Graffiti is art, Crochet is art, And crafts are art. These were once not considered art, but they are considered art now. Some work like the banana taped into the wall, or a blank canvas, as pretentious as it sounds, it is art cause it challenges experimental art, and how it is seen.
My mother went to this same college in the 60s that this movie is based on.
Has she seen this movie? What does she think of it?
Art by definition is anything you can create.
Correct- as creation comes from ones perspective and understandings of creations. This is why human development exists: humans passionate about materials become to work them- we got metal because someone worked ore, we have rubber because someone was experimenting with tree saps, etc. when you realize this and then take a look at our culture today you begin to see how oppressed our human nature for creation has become due to corporate monopolies owning and controlling most of the worlds resources to the point of limiting most citizens access to basic necessities.. interesting isnt it?
Mona Lisa smile. Awesome movie
THANK🎬 Y😇U.
The goal of art doesn't have to be to make you feel good. It's just to make you feel /something./ The most powerful art tends to cause discomfort.
Kirsten Dunst is so fantastic. ❤
Everything is art❤
I love that Carcus paintings. The artist had severe stomach ulcers as a child, and couldnt eat meat as a result. When he grew up, he would buy entire cow carcasses to leave in his shed (i think it was his shed, i really hope it wasnt in his house) and let them rot, then painted them.
I'm with Betty on this one
Art is anything made by man that evokes an emotional response.
when she says "it's grotesque" that indicates she's feeling disgusted by it, therefore the painting IS illiciting an emotional response from her, therefore it is art
Art is something anybody and anyone can decipher but still, miracously, graze what the creator's intentional message was.
So many of my fav actresses in one scene
Wow so many great actors in one scene
This movie is really underrated, I loved it when I saw it. I should watch it again 🍀
This is a great movie. The brainwashing of those young girls was awful
What movie is it?
I found out, it's called Mona Lisa smiles
Almost as rotten as what’s happening to our children in schools today. Our kids minds are not safe in the education system from kindy to university. What a shame that uncouth filth hatred aggression in sold as “FREE SPEECH”
Same brainwashing goes on today
My humanities teacher did something similar. We looked at multiple pieces and were asked if it was art. The Mona Lisa was one, and everyone said it was. Then she showed a photo of an upside down urinal. A lot argued it wasn’t art. But then she told us the backstory, which was, the urinal was to bash the French government and the rich during WW1. Then a lot of people argued it was art for the message. Art is more of an open mind concept,
Art was made great by Michelangelo, Roberto Ferruzzi, Aldolfo Simone, Leonardo DaVinci, El Greco, and Norman Rockwell.
What is art to one person may not be considered art by another. That’s the beauty in how we each see things differently. Btw, I’ve never seen this movie . I was never intrigued by it enough until I saw this clip. Now I can’t wait to watch it !!
Out of nowhere YT came with these Monalisa shorts and now I HAVE TO watch this movie. It's been so long
This cast is stellar omg
And this is why you teach the humanities!
No appealing to authority - make your argument, and prove it. That’s what I learned as a philosophy major
Art is beauty, art is the reflection of good and bad in the world to help us remember the evil and the good. If it does neither than it is not art, it has nothing to do with feeling. Feeling is not how we define good or bad. There is a moral code for that. We see a painting of a mother and her baby and see beauty. We see a painting of a corpse and remember that because of sin we have death. If we cannot see and remember either it can not be art. Simply put, abstract cannot be art for it causes nothing but confusion.
Never seen it. I was too broke and too busy when it came out. Never heard anyone I know say anything about it, good or bad.
I’m intrigued. Thank you.
The movie is Mona Lisa Smile, you’re welcome
holy hell this cast is STAR-STUDDED
Wait until they learn about modern art
That's the plot of the movie
Mona Lisa Smile was so good
Ok i bought into it and watched this movie last night. Name: Mona Lisa Smile
And it was so good! All incredible female actresses in one film. The message was also very progressive for the time period it was capturing.
Where can I watch it
@@sonalvaryani rent from TH-cam or find it online to stream somewhere lol
Art is anything that you need to use creativity to make, whether it be music, books, 2D, 3D, etc.
I need to watch this movie because this is an absolutely all star stacked cast
Art is what happens when someone tries to convey an emotion. Art is communication.
People put the word "Art" on too high a pedestal. It is simply giving form to expression, yet many want to reserve the term only for what they think belongs in a museum. Anything and everything can be art, from the Mona Lisa to a child's scribble. If I point at some dog shit and go "haha it's me" boom, that's art
Julia Roberts is brilliant in this movie… smart, funny, driven, independent.❤
“Good art comforts the disturbed and disturbs the comfortable”
Julia’s voice is unexpectedly ASMR-y ❤
Nothing will make you hate art quite like art school.
Not for everyone, it made me love art even more as I learned how to appreciate new layers to the work I've never considered.
I loved this movie when I was younger
Painting is poetry that is seen rather than felt, and poetry is painting that is felt rather than seen
The painter has the universe in his mind and hands
Study the science of art; Study the art of science
- Leonardo da Vinci
That’s art in my opinion
My final project for my art appreciation class was dedicated to grotesque art!
"Open your mind" Morty
They say art is subjective for a reason
Art is a skill, if someone with no form of training can do it it isn't art.
art has always been a tool to make people think. its supposed to force you to think and thats why so many awful people try to dictate what is and isnt art
art is not art until we are told so, yeah girls you don’t get to enjoy art because of that. some knowledge is not in books it’s in the eyes of the beholder
Individualistic impressions,I think it stinks, but then I am a musician and I make vibrations that are very pleasant to listen to!
Grotesque, is subjective 😂. Just like the idea of “good” and “bad/evil”. Just because it’s not within your realm of your ‘art’, it don’t mean it isn’t. That’s what makes art fascinating ^_^.
Soutine, great artist.
Snow White vs Mary Jane never thought I'd see the day they are in a movie together
What movie is this?
Mona Lisa Smile
For me
The love of a peice of art's beauty is in the eye of the sences of the beholder. M.A.
“You tell me”
*proceeds to immediately tell them exactly what it is*
I like Mona Lisa Smile. I gave it 8/10. It's nice recognizing many of the actors.
Maggie Gyllenhaal is so awesome
I just watched this movie (Mona Lisa's Smile) last night i loved it
Monalisa Smile 🫶🏻
I still draw the line at bananas taped against walls. We've finally found the line - if the janitor confuses it for junk throws it in the trash without the gallery dividers - it's not art.
Why do people always say you have to look beyond the image to see how great an artist is?
Poinless class and objectives. Art is subjective and usually a popularity contest unfortunately. "Who gets to decide"...
Betty has never left USA. You can’t tell me that the statues and gargoyles etc around the world are pretty, but aren’t considered art. Good art is was subjective
Got a closer view and understanding of the artist and the why… to the artist he was a vegetarian and could not digest meats, the painting represents his distaste of meat, and wanted others to understand his distaste for meat… it was meant to be grotesque.
Personally I have a cousin who had a chicken farm… and I recall the smell of the “butchery” (grotesque) is the proper term.
If you consider this art?
Personally I would take a short glance and look to pictures of a more pleasant view.
Independent thought is a foreign concept for most of the populace!
I'm surprised by their denial....they're into rejection without giving a chance to exploration.
What is the name of this movie?
Mona Lisa Smile
College professors convincing kids that grotesque painting and ideas are good? That's original
I've never seen maggie Gyllenhaal and Kirsten Dunst in the same movie, i stg i thought they were both kirsten dunst until the end 😭😭😭
Kirsten's character isn't getting the point but she's not off-base by calling the piece "grotesque." Whatever people think art is supposed to be, most agree that it should inspire something in the person that views it. She thinks it is grotesque. Ok good start. Why does she think it's grotesque? Does she feel anything else about it? Does she think this is what the artist wanted her to feel when she saw it? Is it possible he may have wanted her to see it differently?
Probably the most succinct description of art is what the professor says when they go see the Jackson Pollock painting. "You aren't required to like it. You're only required to consider it."
I love how she asks "is there a rule against art being grotesque?". We should question everything. School should teach this. Improve humanity.
Fantastic short
Excellent movie.
Y’all I’m very sure they used the word grotesque on PURPOSE given its origin
Maybe its oversimplified, but I was taught that art is anything that was made to make you feel something.
Way too much good actrees in this scene !
As long as it has a meaning, as long as it makes you think, contemplate and question certain ideas or things around you, I wholeheartedly consider it art. But if it's random paint, randomly smudged on a canvas without a certain idea or aim behind it, that accidentally turned out to be pretty, it's not art to me.
Mona Lisa Smile for anyone wanting to watch the movie
I haven't watched this for years, I enjoyed it the first time round. Can anyone refresh my memory of what the film is called please
Mona Lisa Smile
Mona Lisa Smile