Yep. I stared to get into them my 3rd year playing sax I couldn’t sound like trane if I didn’t used a tight embouchure , then I found out he used a metal mouth piece and I was mind blown .
I have both myself, a later TM and an earlier STM. Would agree with most of this video; neither are really brighter or darker surprisingly, TM has more fuzziness, STM more edge. TM I use mostly since I like the core sound of it and it matches my Ben Webster-esque sound concept. STM on the other hand is definitely more flexible and dynamic of a mouthpiece. TM when pushed maybe projects more spreadlike, whereas the STM when pushed projects straight away.
Tremendous; both historically informative and sonically entertaining! I've had an early Tone Master 5* set aside in favor of brighter, contemporary pieces. Now I'll have to go back and re-evaluate my options. Thanks for sharing.
Hawk played Link "Hawkins Special" until he played Berg Larsen to the end of his career. And many players put extra baffle material in their links-including John Coltrane. It was the trend at the time to compete with louder rhythm sections and amplification. I am 75 and have witnessed all the trends. I appreciate your enthusiasm but i would recommend that you go further back in time. It is a huge subject with a long history. No disrespect meant. And I truly enjoy your view point. Best Vibes, Bob
Hey there - thanks for watching! "Hawkins Special" actually referred to a facing, not a particular model! So there was a H.S. Master Link that he played for some time, and then upgraded to the Four **** and then finally the Tone Master. I've read a lot of anecdotes that claim Coltrane added a baffle to his mouthpiece, but multiple people who worked on his mouthpieces or have had the opportunity to see the pieces he played have confirmed that this is not true, at least not in any significant way. Coltrane did have all of his pieces worked on significantly, but my point in the video is that the Tone Master is actually a very bright piece on its own, and that in order to get that kind of bright tone that Coltrane liked, adding a baffle is not necessary. Hope this clarifies a few things for you!
Super tone sound like air horn.... kind of like the SOS plastic. gret choice play small opening on the ottolink. one tip. in order to get most of it you need to make the metle really warm
Great chat and demo. Thanks! I bought a 7 star Super Tonemaster 30 years ago for my 1958 Mark 6 tenor after seeing it on the cover of a Coltrane record. Still love the combination
Hi, Matthew!! Great sound!! Thanks for sharing!! I'm a little confused... When you talk about New York Tone Master, you are not talking about de Super Tone Master NY?
Thank you for watching! You're correct, the Super Tone Master NY was a much later model made after the JJ Babbitt acquisition of Otto Link. The original New York Tone Master was made when Otto Link was still based in New York in the '40s.
@@nelsongonzalez450 They can be very good pieces. They were designed to sound more "vintage" and husky than the current production STM at the time, which had actually become quite bright. I have generally found that the new STM NY pieces have much better quality control than the standard STM. I've actually been meaning to do a comparison video of all the modern Otto Links as well, including the STM NY
I don't understand how anyone can mention great saxophonists like Coleman Hawkins, Hank Mobley, Lester Young, Ben Webster and then utter the name of John Coltrane. Compare the tone of the former and then listen to the squawks and screeches of Coltrane. Yes, he had great technique, but he sounded horrible! His playing sounds to me like an exercise, or a stunt. It is not satisfying. It is an ugly sound. Why are so many saxophonists reluctant to say the emperor has no clothes?
didn’t know there is much to know about Sax mouthpieces- interesting.
Yep. I stared to get into them my 3rd year playing sax I couldn’t sound like trane if I didn’t used a tight embouchure , then I found out he used a metal mouth piece and I was mind blown .
I hear a lot of dex in the sound, sounds amazing
I have both myself, a later TM and an earlier STM. Would agree with most of this video; neither are really brighter or darker surprisingly, TM has more fuzziness, STM more edge. TM I use mostly since I like the core sound of it and it matches my Ben Webster-esque sound concept. STM on the other hand is definitely more flexible and dynamic of a mouthpiece. TM when pushed maybe projects more spreadlike, whereas the STM when pushed projects straight away.
Tremendous; both historically informative and sonically entertaining! I've had an early Tone Master 5* set aside in favor of brighter, contemporary pieces. Now I'll have to go back and re-evaluate my options. Thanks for sharing.
Love the quality of these videos!
Excellent presentation thanks .
Great tone brother
Hawk played Link "Hawkins Special" until he played Berg Larsen to the end of his career. And many players put extra baffle material in their links-including John Coltrane. It was the trend at the time to
compete with louder rhythm sections and amplification. I am 75 and have witnessed all the trends.
I appreciate your enthusiasm but i would recommend that you go further back in time. It is a huge subject
with a long history. No disrespect meant. And I truly enjoy your view point. Best Vibes, Bob
Hey there - thanks for watching! "Hawkins Special" actually referred to a facing, not a particular model! So there was a H.S. Master Link that he played for some time, and then upgraded to the Four **** and then finally the Tone Master. I've read a lot of anecdotes that claim Coltrane added a baffle to his mouthpiece, but multiple people who worked on his mouthpieces or have had the opportunity to see the pieces he played have confirmed that this is not true, at least not in any significant way. Coltrane did have all of his pieces worked on significantly, but my point in the video is that the Tone Master is actually a very bright piece on its own, and that in order to get that kind of bright tone that Coltrane liked, adding a baffle is not necessary. Hope this clarifies a few things for you!
nytm sounds great
If y'all want a great modern copy of either of these check out Retro Revival mouthpieces. My FL copy is easily my favorite mouthpiece I've ever played
Ive heard great things about them but havent had the opportunity to try one myself! Maybe i’ll have to change that soon…
Hi Matthew Cha, you sound great!
Super tone sound like air horn.... kind of like the SOS plastic. gret choice play small opening on the ottolink. one tip. in order to get most of it you need to make the metle really warm
Try a FL ligature at otto link. I tried some and the best was FL.
This is really Johns sound... Wow...
Great chat and demo. Thanks! I bought a 7 star Super Tonemaster 30 years ago for my 1958 Mark 6 tenor after seeing it on the cover of a Coltrane record. Still love the combination
Hi, Matthew!! Great sound!! Thanks for sharing!!
I'm a little confused... When you talk about New York Tone Master, you are not talking about de Super Tone Master NY?
Thank you for watching! You're correct, the Super Tone Master NY was a much later model made after the JJ Babbitt acquisition of Otto Link. The original New York Tone Master was made when Otto Link was still based in New York in the '40s.
@@MatthewCha Oh, my... I just yesterday decided to buy the STM NY after listening to you... It's done... Any opinion about the STM NY..?
@@nelsongonzalez450 They can be very good pieces. They were designed to sound more "vintage" and husky than the current production STM at the time, which had actually become quite bright. I have generally found that the new STM NY pieces have much better quality control than the standard STM. I've actually been meaning to do a comparison video of all the modern Otto Links as well, including the STM NY
@@MatthewCha Thanks, bro!!!!
@@MatthewCha I rest in peace now!!!
Is that a Selmer Mk6 Neck?
it is actually aftermarket: tino schucht new york i believe?
I don't understand how anyone can mention great saxophonists like Coleman Hawkins, Hank Mobley, Lester Young, Ben Webster and then utter the name of John Coltrane. Compare the tone of the former and then listen to the squawks and screeches of Coltrane. Yes, he had great technique, but he sounded horrible! His playing sounds to me like an exercise, or a stunt. It is not satisfying. It is an ugly sound. Why are so many saxophonists reluctant to say the emperor has no clothes?
@@rufus-h4h i strongly suggest you listen to naima or crescent! it took me a while to get john coltrane too, but he is our patron saint for a reason!
Either you should get some ears or albums of Coltrane...like lush life, Standard Coltrane or Stardust..😉
Moi je ne peux jouer qu'avec ce bec, sinon j'arrête le saxophone. Les autres sont nuls à côté, c'est comme si je mangeais de la bonne terre...
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