What she should've said is, "I believe that with the person I marry, I won't HAVE to ask them not to sleep with someone else days before they propose to me." It's not an ultimatum. It's a fact.
I think it's ridiculous how everyone talks big game of "girl power" but then puts a girl down as soon as she has different beliefs than them. Not that Peter is putting her down, but all the news outlets like this seem to be. I'm on your side Madison!
Flareboxx it’s more than her beliefs. It’s her trying to make Peter live by her beliefs. If she wants someone who is saving themselves for marriage, why not go for someone like that, rather than try to make someone who hasn’t decided to save themselves for marriage, save themselves for marriage in order to possibly have a relationship with you.
@@imth3batman she's not forcing peter to believe what she believes. She has standards and if he does not like it then he can let her go then because she's not going to change who she is or her standards for him.
She even said she doesnt mind being with a guy who didn't choose to wait until marriage. She doesn't mind him having a past. She is focused on the present and their future together.
Religious or not who in their right mind will say yes to a proposal from a guy who had to sleep with two other women to know for sure what he wants?!!! That's ridiculous!
@@islandflava7395 Agreed and it's why I would never go on this ridiculous cattle call line up show. In real life dating I wont have sex with a man if he has slept with me then someone else then try to come back to me no thank you.
What Madi was trying to say was “If you think I’m the one at the end, then please don’t sleep with anyone else because it’ll be something hard for me to accept” How is that an ultimatum? It’s fair for her as she’s staying strong to her beliefs and who the hell wants to marry a man who doesn’t know what he wants that he has to sleep with all of them? Uhh this is basically why most bachelor relationships never last?
Why is it, that if a person has a standard like this for themselves, they are made fun of?! I don't get it..I think it's admirable that there are still a few people in the world that keep their body for that one person! I saved myself for marriage as well, and it's the best decision I've ever made! People literally praise sleeping around! It's mind blowing! P.s. you don't need to sleep with someone just to find out if they are the one! There is so much more to a relationship than that. Yes, it's important, but if you haven't tried many people, you will never question that one person if it's good enough or not, because you have nothing to compare to. And all you need is the love of your life!
sabimusikful yes thank you! I don’t know how anyone could be ok with their significant other sleeping with someone else before they propose. And they had back to back dates that’s just gross. I don’t care if this is the bachelor or not.
Regardless of the premises of the show, not every lead has to sleep with the last 3 contestants “to get clarity” on whether they will make a good life partner (Colton, Sean Lowe, Nick Viall, etc.)With that being said, Madison expressed her beliefs in terms of not feeling comfortable if Peter slept with the other females IF he was going to choose her at the end, and if he would be proposing to her a week after fantasy suites. She wasn’t telling him what to do with his body. She only stated that she would probably not be able to continue if he did sleep with the other women. She didn’t judge him or manipulate him, like many people think. For all the people defending Peter, if you support monogamous relationships, and put yourself in Madison’s shoes, you would not support your significant other aka soon-to-be-fiancé sleeping with anyone else a week before a possible engagement. Either way, props to Madison for sticking up for what she stands for, and I hope that both of them find their happiness, even if it’s without each other.
They are not in a monogamous relationship though. If she wanted that I’m sure right then and there she could have said “Choose me right now and end the relationships with the other women and I will say yes to your proposal”
run2thebeat although the show isn’t conventional, and the lead isn’t dating one person at a time, I can assure you that the goal is to end up with one person, hence the possible proposal at the end, and Peter looking for his “wife,” and not multiple wives. This is the definition of monogamy.
@@imth3batman Disagree. He was given a choice and he opted to risk the consequences. She had a choice and took the only action she could because he thought he had the right to screw any and every thing that walks. He does not deserve anyone but the girl that played him the whole series for a sucker with her tears and dissembling.
I didn't think it was a ultimatum. She had every right to tell him if he was going sleep with the other girls, ...then She gone. probably should of brought up her values and expectations a bit sooner though.
But what is the problem with an ultimatum? I am legitimately confused. Doesn't it set up healthy expectations for what you are okay with in a relationship. Like, if you do this, I will no longer date you because I value myself and don't want to put myself through that. I'm confused
@@kparker905 yeah, I geuss you're right. Whatever you want to call it. She was just letting him know if you do that I can't continue to date you. More girls and men should be doing that before they get to serious. Just my opinion.
jarednil69 lol so every relationship is based on an ultimatum when you expect your partner to be faithful? Ultimatums set expectations and ensure people get treated the way they feel they deserve to be treated
@@jarednil69 Not an ultimatum. It is her lifestyle & her beliefs. Never ever should she change what she truly believes in. That is her right & her prerogative. She obviously has good values. Whereas he has none. I would be extremely shocked if Madison stays. He just is looking for a good time. In my opinion he's what most men are, he's a player. Madison needs to find a man with her beliefs. I also agree she should have told him from the beginning that was her beliefs, not wait till the hometowns. Just my opinion.
If Madison stating her expectations for herself & her significant other, pertaining to intimacy, is an ultimatum, then aren’t we all giving ultimatums when we express our boundaries? I’m not sure how we’ve missed it but the fact is, BOUNDARIES ARE HEALTHY and they’re necessary!! I’m thinking relationships actually fail for the LACK of them. If you're not having conversations about your morals, values & deal breakers, prior to engaging in a committed relationship, then what is your relationship based upon, feelings?? Also, for those assuming that joining The Bachelor is an automatic prerequisite into multiple sexual experiences, you've obviously missed Sean Lowe & Colton's seasons. Both are grown men who practiced self control through 25 plus women, fantasy suites & in Sean's case, his entire engagement. Sean married a woman who hadn't made a personal decision to abstain but ultimately, AGREED to wait with him until their wedding night. That was Sean's standard for himself & it was a non-negotiable. The two are still married, best friends, & have 3 beautiful children together. There might be something to this whole “ultimatum” thing! IJS
Rachel Nicole Griffin 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 thanks for saying this. Boundaries are so important in relationships. I’m pretty sure that most, if not all the bachelors and bachelorettes who slept with the remaining 3 contestants ended up going through failed relationships because it is hard to comprehend your significant other, let alone fiancé, getting intimate physically with someone else about a week before the engagement. Sex is so important in the relationship, but it doesn’t mean you have to try it with all three people to determine who would be the best fit for a lifelong partner. Hopefully it’s not the determining factor, and personality, morals, and other factors carry their weight in such an important life-changing decision.
You can stand up for your values YES YES and YES. But you cant make others stand with you. That's their choice. Peter made his. He was mor just dating Madison and she knew that.
Definitely NOT an ultimatum!! This shouldn’t be looked at as a negative she should be celebrated for her strength and values. She was honest with him, there’s a difference
Honest? How late minute to tell you are a virgin saving yourself for marriage.He likely could have handled it with more ease had he known as early as she told the other girls.
“It seems like peter and Madison are the only ones who didn’t think madison gave an ultimatum” WHAT? Literally out of almost everything I have read from Instagram, Twitter, and TH-cam, everyone is on Madison’s side. Stop trying to make her seem like a villain...
Kaitlyn Marcak I’m not saying that you’re trying to make her seem like a villain, but the media is definitely trying to make it seem like she’s the female Luke p.
Tripz Tristan Luke p was possessive of Hannah, he shamed her for having sex period. Madison, knowing peter wasn’t a virgin still was willing to accept it and understand not everyone makes the life choice she did to wait until marriage, and had standards and morals for herself to not say yes to a possible engagement after he slept with another woman literally 6 days prior.
"I can't change who I am,..., I can't change what I stand for". Girl was ready to walk away he begged her to stay. I hope she walked away. In a way I'm hoping they don't end up together.
soly camargo straight up tho. I understand Maddie but at the same time ???? Has she not seen this show before. I wish she would’ve disclosed the whole virginity thing to him before.
soly camargo the show did not use to be like this! People had morals and respect. Sex does not make a deeper connection when you do not even know the person. Sex might be good but you still do not know the person. Get to know each other first before sex. How many people get into a relationship that is not healthy for them but they stay because the sex is good. Taking the time to invest in deeply knowing each other is more important than jumping in the sack. I think there is confusion over love vs. lust.
Other possible reasons for coming on this show where all religious principles are broken: Fame seeker,Instagram followers,or becoming the next bachelorette or land somewhere else showbiz maybe
It’s actually untrue what you’re saying, that only Peter and Madison thought it wasn’t an ultimatum. Most people on social media have been very supportive of Madison and did not believe it was an ultimatum. She was completely respectful.
How can he say he loves her and think meanwhile he can sleep around less than a week before being engaged to her? That ‘s not love but in fantasy dream that he’s some kind of Don Juan where he imagines women are so hot in love with him. Head bigger than reality.
Madison has a lot respect and moral ,he doesn’t deserve her ,she will be the next bachelorette and so many great man out there want a moral girl like Madison ,walk away Madison 👍💪
"I can honestly see you and me together forever, so please don't walk away" - can you imagine the slap on Madison's face if she really stayed and then he DOESN'T PICK HER???????? I feel like they could have ended the season there and then, it's so obvious where his heart is at......... although his body did otherwise......
He really should have followed Colton's lead and wrapped it up and had just ONE fantasy suite ... with Madison. Then the recording of this whole season would be joyful and fun and a sweet record of their story... now it's a crash and though he may put it back together, she is hurt, he has been a fool and there is already... healing to do! Gesh... how special can she feel is he sleeps with two other women in two days and says going into the week, I could also see myself with the other women? ??????? If that is the truth, he made no love connection with any ONE, and just lusts after them all and see the,m all as desirable, some as sweet... and without that ...oh hell no she is not getting away! (Colton!!!) then how does he decide between them... if they are all great and possible? That isn't falling in love with 3, it's not falling in love at all. (not a surprise in a few months and on a TV show!)
I don't think it was an ultimatum either. It's a respect thing. 👌If you truly love somebody you will take their feelings into consideration regardless of how you feel.
Madison is a beautiful soul. She KNOWS her purpose here, and is on the right path. She is steady and true to Father. She KNOWS this life is meant for greater works.
I mean I get it’s the bachelor but it’s not a crazy to want the guy your dating to have his thing-a-ding in someone else’s hoo ha a week before proposing... it’s not difficult to keep it in your pants!
LoyalT1987 Still, Emily Maynard chose to not have sex so it’s not like it’s mandatory to stick your penis in every lady there. The fact that a guy (any of the bachelors not just Peter) can honestly say he is in love with someone and have sex with someone else is all those ladies need to know about their future together. The bachelor is just glorified cheating 🤷🏼♀️
I hope he doesn’t pick Madison, or chase after her. The religion thing is a biggie, he will never measure up. She said in her bio she wants to do missionary work.
If he could seriously see the two of them together forever was it really necessary for him to sleep with two other women within days of him saying this??
Ultimatum, a final demand or statement of terms, the rejection of which will result in a breakdown in relations. This is what Madison did. It is exactly what she did. There is nothing wrong with that. I guess people have associated a negative connotation with 'ultimatum' when in reality it usually is: If you do this, something will change or end. In this case: Peter, if you do [Insert action here], our relationship will end. There is nothing wrong with that. It is actually healthy to do that to set up clearly what two people both want out of a relationship. What are people talking about??!
I think alot of people are forgetting just because its called Fantasy Suite doesn't mean you have to sleep with anyone. There was a few people on the show that didnt. Its more your choice. When this show first started out people wasn't sleeping with everyone they took i to the fantasy suite. As far as Madison. She has morals, standards, and expectations. That is the way anyone should be. But from alot im reading on here. I can tell alot of people dont expect to much of themselves or their expectations along with standards. Madison is going to make the right guy a very happy wife!!
Madi, your pure gem with moral values ......and higher standards....I can tell the difference between you the other woman who claimed she is woman of faith .....she’s not ......as you said ..actions speak louder than words ....go madi don’t lower your standard....your a real role model to everyone especially young Christian women and men who struggles in their faith ........
Brooke Thomas Of course it’s not the point of the show, but finding a wife is the point of the show, and connecting in bed is majorly important in a relationship. It’s odd she’d be so shocked and hurt that he wants to explore that area with other women before making a decision.
Jorgie but u could pretty much tell that he wanted to pick her to be his wife, if he really felt that way he would’ve respected how she felt. he never had to have sex with both or either of the other women, he just wanted to because he was thinking with his peter
LoyalT1987 did we even watch the same video???? She’s pushing her beliefs on him? How exactly is she doing that? By saying she has certain standards for HER life and the guy SHE marries? She never once told him he had to do or act a certain way. She never told him to share her beliefs. And yes, sex is important. But it’s NOT everything. If you can’t connect with someone with having sex, and especially without having sex with other people, then you are not marriage material. Having sex is not “testing a connection”
I feel like this was a rough edit and they made her look a lot like Luke P.... I’m sure there was more to the conversation the production team cares to show
He went on and did what he did after she said she wouldn't be able to continue the relationship if he were to be intimate with them so he went and did it anyway so wouldn't feel bad for him if she left. I'mproud of her
My main question is: IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH AN ULTIMATUM?!! What is this crazy world that we live in, where if a woman gives an ultimatum, she is all of the sudden the scum of the Earth?? For example, what if you are dating a guy and tell him, if you lay a hand on me (physical abuse-wise), we will be done, we will be over, and I may not speak to you for over 8 months to even gain closure. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It seems like it sets up healthy expectations and shows the other person who you are. Another example of an ultimatum, "I have had a horrible past with significant others talking about friends behind my back, so if you do that, I will not date you anymore." I don't know, that one may be a little less non-sensical, but it works. That can be from a man to a woman, or a woman to a man, or in homosexual relationships or whatever. I'm confused, what's going on here?
She's not asking to marry a virgin, she's asking for someone who doesn't want to sleep with another girl 6 days before proposing. He was free to have sex with the other women, but Madison was letting him know how that would make her feel.
I felt like I was watching a scene out of the Notebook when he said "I'm not perfect, I never meant to hurt you". Their romance turned from a hallmark movie to a Nicholas Sparks film real quick
There's nothing better to control oneself and others than religion. As a friend, anybody can have whatever belief they want, but for a partner in life never a religious person. Nothing is better than a free person.
madison deserves more respect for calling the show out on having the bachelor/bachelorette sleep w multiple people within the same week as the proposal is supposed to happen🙃
She's not telling him he can't. She said if he did. She can't change who she is or what she believes and either Peter was gonna respect that or he won't. She said that he's a big boy and it was his decision.
That 100% is not an ultimatum. It’s not crazy to want your boyfriend to not screw other people especially if he’s thinking about proposing to you a few days after. I think the whole screwing people back to back to back and then proposing to one is kind of gross.
Not all thinks it’s ultimatum. I don’t think so. Who would be comfortable with someone who told 3 girls he was in love and could see all 3 as his wives 2 weeks before proposing to anyone. Even under the bachelor format peter still seems to have less clarity regarding who he wants than most other bachelors around the time of fantasy suite
Bad take, sharing your expectations in a relationship is not an ultimatum especially when it’s something so personal. Also weird of you to call her awkward for sharing her decision to remain abstinent until marriage when she not once asked or expected anyone to do the same. All about girl power until it doesn’t fit the right narrative 🙄
Peter is currently with Madison that's the reason why he said she didn't give him an ultimatum. Now if he didn't end up with Madison he would have use the ultimatum word to defend himself.
Lol you guys are among some of THE ONLY PEOPLE who do think it was an ultimatum , stop villian-ising her for being rational and having standards 🤷🏻♀️🙄
It definitely was not an ultimatum, Peter just can not keep it in his pants and I think Madison deserves better! Peter and Hanna Ann deserve each other...that's just my lil ole opinion lol 😜
Girl. He didn’t choose you for the fantasy suites. He chose the other 2 girls he’s deciding between, and slept with both to figure out who he wants to have sex with for the rest of his life. The moment he didn’t choose you for that privacy moment, you should have left, that’s confirmation he didn’t want to get to know you better without cameras
Intimacy is more than just sex so if intimacy with the other women is what bothers her she shouldn’t have been on the show. Their values don’t line up so neither one of them is in the “wrong”. They’re just too different to be compatible
II love all the support I'm reading for Madison! #TeamMadison! "Some" people keep saying, "she signed up for it." Uh...no. She didn't sign up to have sex, period. She signed up for a DATING show where she might have met the man of her dreams. It's not in the contract, it's not a requirement, to get literally screwed. To say so is disrespectful to a lot of women...and, men. Not all bachelors and bachelorettes screw their final dates.
@LoyalT1987 I was just pulling a funny, but I'm sure you're right. He should have just proposed to Madison right then and there, during the last rose ceremony. Just in way he acted towards her, and the way he looked at her when he asked her if she was sure she'd still accept the rose, told me she's gonna be it. I actually kinda felt bad for the other two, because obviously having to stand there and watch wasn't enjoyable.
I’m with Madison, I personally think it’s wrong to sleep with anyone in the fantasy suite. The only time I find it acceptable is when the lead knows who they’re picking and sleeps with that person because they can’t hold out til after the engagement. Peter knew what he was doing and how it would make her feel and slept with at least one of the other women anyway.
soly camargo Luke P is controlling a violent, he has serious issues to address before he should be with ANYONE! Besides, they handled it completely differently. Luke gave an ultimatum with intention to control and place judgement on Hannah. His statements were about her doing wrong, not him having a moral position. Madison made it very clear that she wasn’t judging Peter for having different values than her, and didn’t say he did a bad or wrong thing, just that she places a very high value on sex and couldn’t accept a proposal from someone who had had sex with other women less than a week before. He very easily could have not had sex, it’s not that hard lol like if he’s saying he’s in love with her it’s pretty silly to potentially throw it away just for a couple of orgasms 🤷🏼♀️
And what is this bs statement. I can see you and me together after the show. Of course you can. It's one thing to say you want to be with someone for the rest of your life and it's another thing to say that you can see yourself with someone forever. Dude. That's just not love
How many think...like I do... that he will convince her and she will fogive him? Of course that doesn't mean they make it to the alter... but Peter will need to wait for the alter... because she says wedding night and she is not playing! Will they make it? Who knows... if they do good for them and it will show he really cares about her... as that will be very very difficult for him to wait... maybe they will have a wedding in 2-3 months ...lol
What she should've said is, "I believe that with the person I marry, I won't HAVE to ask them not to sleep with someone else days before they propose to me." It's not an ultimatum. It's a fact.
Pocahontas that is so wise
@Meli S. Thank you!
@@carolinemarshall1669 Thank you!
Agreed. This host is bit harsh and tacky.
You nailed it.
I think it's ridiculous how everyone talks big game of "girl power" but then puts a girl down as soon as she has different beliefs than them. Not that Peter is putting her down, but all the news outlets like this seem to be. I'm on your side Madison!
Flareboxx it’s more than her beliefs. It’s her trying to make Peter live by her beliefs. If she wants someone who is saving themselves for marriage, why not go for someone like that, rather than try to make someone who hasn’t decided to save themselves for marriage, save themselves for marriage in order to possibly have a relationship with you.
She told Peter she’s not forcing her values on him
@@imth3batman she's not forcing peter to believe what she believes. She has standards and if he does not like it then he can let her go then because she's not going to change who she is or her standards for him.
She even said she doesnt mind being with a guy who didn't choose to wait until marriage. She doesn't mind him having a past. She is focused on the present and their future together.
Flareboxx the point went swift over your head and you’re missing it
I don't think she gave him an ultimatum. She was expressing her feelings. She said she would not feel comfortable.
I don’t know if I’d call it an ultimatum. It’s just her beliefs.
Religious or not who in their right mind will say yes to a proposal from a guy who had to sleep with two other women to know for sure what he wants?!!! That's ridiculous!
@@islandflava7395 exactly.
@@islandflava7395 Agreed and it's why I would never go on this ridiculous cattle call line up show. In real life dating I wont have sex with a man if he has slept with me then someone else then try to come back to me no thank you.
@@cozettem8226 good for you!!!!
If he could see them together he would not have slept with others. Sorry!
And you can’t start a relationship after someone disrespects your boundaries
@@tonybalony1811 Exactly, well said!
Jennifer Carson exactly!
True
What Madi was trying to say was “If you think I’m the one at the end, then please don’t sleep with anyone else because it’ll be something hard for me to accept” How is that an ultimatum? It’s fair for her as she’s staying strong to her beliefs and who the hell wants to marry a man who doesn’t know what he wants that he has to sleep with all of them? Uhh this is basically why most bachelor relationships never last?
I'm so happy America is seeing through this whole "Madison ultimatum" crap the news is trying to push and giving Madison the respect she deserves.
Why is it, that if a person has a standard like this for themselves, they are made fun of?! I don't get it..I think it's admirable that there are still a few people in the world that keep their body for that one person! I saved myself for marriage as well, and it's the best decision I've ever made! People literally praise sleeping around! It's mind blowing!
P.s. you don't need to sleep with someone just to find out if they are the one! There is so much more to a relationship than that. Yes, it's important, but if you haven't tried many people, you will never question that one person if it's good enough or not, because you have nothing to compare to. And all you need is the love of your life!
sabimusikful yes thank you! I don’t know how anyone could be ok with their significant other sleeping with someone else before they propose. And they had back to back dates that’s just gross. I don’t care if this is the bachelor or not.
@@mommaA505 exactly! I can't even begin to imagine if I were in that kind of situation.
It’s crazy.
Well said!!
Amen!!! So perfectly said
Regardless of the premises of the show, not every lead has to sleep with the last 3 contestants “to get clarity” on whether they will make a good life partner (Colton, Sean Lowe, Nick Viall, etc.)With that being said, Madison expressed her beliefs in terms of not feeling comfortable if Peter slept with the other females IF he was going to choose her at the end, and if he would be proposing to her a week after fantasy suites. She wasn’t telling him what to do with his body. She only stated that she would probably not be able to continue if he did sleep with the other women. She didn’t judge him or manipulate him, like many people think. For all the people defending Peter, if you support monogamous relationships, and put yourself in Madison’s shoes, you would not support your significant other aka soon-to-be-fiancé sleeping with anyone else a week before a possible engagement. Either way, props to Madison for sticking up for what she stands for, and I hope that both of them find their happiness, even if it’s without each other.
Very well said
I totally agree with you!!!
They are not in a monogamous relationship though. If she wanted that I’m sure right then and there she could have said “Choose me right now and end the relationships with the other women and I will say yes to your proposal”
run2thebeat although the show isn’t conventional, and the lead isn’t dating one person at a time, I can assure you that the goal is to end up with one person, hence the possible proposal at the end, and Peter looking for his “wife,” and not multiple wives. This is the definition of monogamy.
@@imth3batman Disagree. He was given a choice and he opted to risk the consequences. She had a choice and took the only action she could because he thought he had the right to screw any and every thing that walks. He does not deserve anyone but the girl that played him the whole series for a sucker with her tears and dissembling.
I didn't think it was a ultimatum.
She had every right to tell him if he was going sleep with the other girls, ...then She gone.
probably should of brought up her values and expectations a bit sooner though.
But what is the problem with an ultimatum? I am legitimately confused. Doesn't it set up healthy expectations for what you are okay with in a relationship. Like, if you do this, I will no longer date you because I value myself and don't want to put myself through that. I'm confused
@@kparker905 yeah, I geuss you're right. Whatever you want to call it. She was just letting him know if you do that I can't continue to date you. More girls and men should be doing that before they get to serious. Just my opinion.
That is exactly what an ULTIMATUM IS
jarednil69 lol so every relationship is based on an ultimatum when you expect your partner to be faithful? Ultimatums set expectations and ensure people get treated the way they feel they deserve to be treated
@@jarednil69 Not an ultimatum. It is her lifestyle & her beliefs. Never ever should she change what she truly believes in. That is her right & her prerogative. She obviously has good values. Whereas he has none. I would be extremely shocked if Madison stays. He just is looking for a good time. In my opinion he's what most men are, he's a player. Madison needs to find a man with her beliefs. I also agree she should have told him from the beginning that was her beliefs, not wait till the hometowns. Just my opinion.
When he said “Ik I’m not perfect” 🙄 She literally told you a couple days ago.
If Madison stating her expectations for herself & her significant other, pertaining to intimacy, is an ultimatum, then aren’t we all giving ultimatums when we express our boundaries? I’m not sure how we’ve missed it but the fact is, BOUNDARIES ARE HEALTHY and they’re necessary!! I’m thinking relationships actually fail for the LACK of them. If you're not having conversations about your morals, values & deal breakers, prior to engaging in a committed relationship, then what is your relationship based upon, feelings??
Also, for those assuming that joining The Bachelor is an automatic prerequisite into multiple sexual experiences, you've obviously missed Sean Lowe & Colton's seasons. Both are grown men who practiced self control through 25 plus women, fantasy suites & in Sean's case, his entire engagement. Sean married a woman who hadn't made a personal decision to abstain but ultimately, AGREED to wait with him until their wedding night. That was Sean's standard for himself & it was a non-negotiable. The two are still married, best friends, & have 3 beautiful children together. There might be something to this whole “ultimatum” thing! IJS
Rachel Nicole Griffin also some people only sleep with the one they’re into
Neera Sinha-Frazer Exactly!!
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👏👏👏 couldn't have said it better!
Rachel Nicole Griffin 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 thanks for saying this. Boundaries are so important in relationships. I’m pretty sure that most, if not all the bachelors and bachelorettes who slept with the remaining 3 contestants ended up going through failed relationships because it is hard to comprehend your significant other, let alone fiancé, getting intimate physically with someone else about a week before the engagement. Sex is so important in the relationship, but it doesn’t mean you have to try it with all three people to determine who would be the best fit for a lifelong partner. Hopefully it’s not the determining factor, and personality, morals, and other factors carry their weight in such an important life-changing decision.
He can’t keep it in his pants. Run Madison
I have said that from Hannah's season I have never met a pilot that doesn't feel entitled, they may be out there but Peter is definitely a lover.
Here is what i said in my comment and a woman attacked me really 🤣saying that am being judgmental
My thoughts exactly!!!
Jeri Lane yes!!@running fasstttt Madison!!! 4pete's sake :D
Madison, has her value. And value should be respect both way. I’m so glad to see someone stand for their value. True role model
You can stand up for your values YES YES and YES. But you cant make others stand with you. That's their choice. Peter made his. He was mor just dating Madison and she knew that.
Definitely NOT an ultimatum!! This shouldn’t be looked at as a negative she should be celebrated for her strength and values. She was honest with him, there’s a difference
Honest? How late minute to tell you are a virgin saving yourself for marriage.He likely could have handled it with more ease had he known as early as she told the other girls.
“It seems like peter and Madison are the only ones who didn’t think madison gave an ultimatum”
WHAT? Literally out of almost everything I have read from Instagram, Twitter, and TH-cam, everyone is on Madison’s side. Stop trying to make her seem like a villain...
I’m not. She’s not a villain, but she gave him an ultimatum? what’s so hard to understand about that?
kate1603 i dont see how what she did was different than what Luke did . Thats all i dont get . Idc
Kaitlyn Marcak I’m not saying that you’re trying to make her seem like a villain, but the media is definitely trying to make it seem like she’s the female Luke p.
kate1603 but u just said the media is on Madison’s side.
Tripz Tristan Luke p was possessive of Hannah, he shamed her for having sex period. Madison, knowing peter wasn’t a virgin still was willing to accept it and understand not everyone makes the life choice she did to wait until marriage, and had standards and morals for herself to not say yes to a possible engagement after he slept with another woman literally 6 days prior.
"I can't change who I am,..., I can't change what I stand for". Girl was ready to walk away he begged her to stay. I hope she walked away. In a way I'm hoping they don't end up together.
Why would a person with a strong religious belief go looking for love in a show where all religious principles are broken? This does not make sense.
soly camargo straight up tho. I understand Maddie but at the same time ???? Has she not seen this show before. I wish she would’ve disclosed the whole virginity thing to him before.
soly camargo the show did not use to be like this! People had morals and respect. Sex does not make a deeper connection when you do not even know the person. Sex might be good but you still do not know the person. Get to know each other first before sex. How many people get into a relationship that is not healthy for them but they stay because the sex is good. Taking the time to invest in deeply knowing each other is more important than jumping in the sack. I think there is confusion over love vs. lust.
Other possible reasons for coming on this show where all religious principles are broken: Fame seeker,Instagram followers,or becoming the next bachelorette or land somewhere else showbiz maybe
It’s actually untrue what you’re saying, that only Peter and Madison thought it wasn’t an ultimatum. Most people on social media have been very supportive of Madison and did not believe it was an ultimatum. She was completely respectful.
How can he say he loves her and think meanwhile he can sleep around less than a week before being engaged to her? That ‘s not love but in fantasy dream that he’s some kind of Don Juan where he imagines women are so hot in love with him. Head bigger than reality.
Madison has a lot respect and moral ,he doesn’t deserve her ,she will be the next bachelorette and so many great man out there want a moral girl like Madison ,walk away Madison 👍💪
"I can honestly see you and me together forever, so please don't walk away" - can you imagine the slap on Madison's face if she really stayed and then he DOESN'T PICK HER???????? I feel like they could have ended the season there and then, it's so obvious where his heart is at......... although his body did otherwise......
He really should have followed Colton's lead and wrapped it up and had just ONE fantasy suite ... with Madison. Then the recording of this whole season would be joyful and fun and a sweet record of their story... now it's a crash and though he may put it back together, she is hurt, he has been a fool and there is already... healing to do! Gesh... how special can she feel is he sleeps with two other women in two days and says going into the week, I could also see myself with the other women? ??????? If that is the truth, he made no love connection with any ONE, and just lusts after them all and see the,m all as desirable, some as sweet... and without that ...oh hell no she is not getting away! (Colton!!!) then how does he decide between them... if they are all great and possible? That isn't falling in love with 3, it's not falling in love at all. (not a surprise in a few months and on a TV show!)
He actually says, "If you can honestly see you and me together forever, do not walk away".
@@TheEmmiebear Oh right!! Thanks for pointing it out, i heard it wrongly.
@@bberyll2704 No worries, it was really difficult to hear, I heard it wrong the first time too.
I don't think it was an ultimatum either. It's a respect thing. 👌If you truly love somebody you will take their feelings into consideration regardless of how you feel.
Madison is a beautiful soul. She KNOWS her purpose here, and is on the right path. She is steady and true to Father. She KNOWS this life is meant for greater works.
I mean I get it’s the bachelor but it’s not a crazy to want the guy your dating to have his thing-a-ding in someone else’s hoo ha a week before proposing... it’s not difficult to keep it in your pants!
LoyalT1987 Still, Emily Maynard chose to not have sex so it’s not like it’s mandatory to stick your penis in every lady there. The fact that a guy (any of the bachelors not just Peter) can honestly say he is in love with someone and have sex with someone else is all those ladies need to know about their future together. The bachelor is just glorified cheating 🤷🏼♀️
Leave him sis, you should be with someone who thinks your worth the wait
Can the media stop mocking madison for what she believes in?
I hope he doesn’t pick Madison, or chase after her. The religion thing is a biggie, he will never measure up. She said in her bio she wants to do missionary work.
also,the man of her household is expected to lead prayer and worship.
Please If you have Madi as Bachelorette- have her work on not saying “LIKE” ever other word . ...
She won’t be. They’re going for someone older
If he could seriously see the two of them together forever was it really necessary for him to sleep with two other women within days of him saying this??
Peter doesn't feel like it was an ultamitum ..who am I to say he was given an ultamitum 😂 😂 period...go girl Madi💕
Ultimatum, a final demand or statement of terms, the rejection of which will result in a breakdown in relations.
This is what Madison did. It is exactly what she did. There is nothing wrong with that. I guess people have associated a negative connotation with 'ultimatum' when in reality it usually is: If you do this, something will change or end. In this case: Peter, if you do [Insert action here], our relationship will end. There is nothing wrong with that. It is actually healthy to do that to set up clearly what two people both want out of a relationship. What are people talking about??!
I think alot of people are forgetting just because its called Fantasy Suite doesn't mean you have to sleep with anyone. There was a few people on the show that didnt. Its more your choice. When this show first started out people wasn't sleeping with everyone they took i to the fantasy suite. As far as Madison. She has morals, standards, and expectations. That is the way anyone should be. But from alot im reading on here. I can tell alot of people dont expect to much of themselves or their expectations along with standards. Madison is going to make the right guy a very happy wife!!
there’s a big difference between giving him an ultimatum and sharing your BELIEFS
Um...almost everyone I have talked to or seen commenting on social media has NOT felt it was an ultimatum. 🙄
Madi, your pure gem with moral values ......and higher standards....I can tell the difference between you the other woman who claimed she is woman of faith .....she’s not ......as you said ..actions speak louder than words ....go madi don’t lower your standard....your a real role model to everyone especially young Christian women and men who struggles in their faith ........
Why'd she come on the show if she's so concerned about this?
Jorgie sleeping with multiple girls isn’t the point of the show😐 you should watch last season because Colton would’ve never done this to Cassie
Brooke Thomas Of course it’s not the point of the show, but finding a wife is the point of the show, and connecting in bed is majorly important in a relationship. It’s odd she’d be so shocked and hurt that he wants to explore that area with other women before making a decision.
Jorgie but u could pretty much tell that he wanted to pick her to be his wife, if he really felt that way he would’ve respected how she felt. he never had to have sex with both or either of the other women, he just wanted to because he was thinking with his peter
LoyalT1987 did we even watch the same video???? She’s pushing her beliefs on him? How exactly is she doing that? By saying she has certain standards for HER life and the guy SHE marries? She never once told him he had to do or act a certain way. She never told him to share her beliefs. And yes, sex is important. But it’s NOT everything. If you can’t connect with someone with having sex, and especially without having sex with other people, then you are not marriage material. Having sex is not “testing a connection”
I agree maybe she didn’t think she’d make it that far...
I didn't think it was an ultimatum. Just telling him how she feels.
We all know why his first name is Peter now don't we. No surprise.
He is in love with 4 women . Peter don't forget Hannah B
I feel like this was a rough edit and they made her look a lot like Luke P.... I’m sure there was more to the conversation the production team cares to show
He went on and did what he did after she said she wouldn't be able to continue the relationship if he were to be intimate with them so he went and did it anyway so wouldn't feel bad for him if she left. I'mproud of her
People really need to look up the definition of ULTIMATUM
This is true. There's nothing wrong with it, but this was the definition of it.
It's not only Peter and Madison that don't think it's an ultimatum! Most people actually think it wasn't.
My main question is: IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH AN ULTIMATUM?!! What is this crazy world that we live in, where if a woman gives an ultimatum, she is all of the sudden the scum of the Earth?? For example, what if you are dating a guy and tell him, if you lay a hand on me (physical abuse-wise), we will be done, we will be over, and I may not speak to you for over 8 months to even gain closure. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It seems like it sets up healthy expectations and shows the other person who you are. Another example of an ultimatum, "I have had a horrible past with significant others talking about friends behind my back, so if you do that, I will not date you anymore." I don't know, that one may be a little less non-sensical, but it works. That can be from a man to a woman, or a woman to a man, or in homosexual relationships or whatever. I'm confused, what's going on here?
He’s the bachelor, he’s dating 3 girls. It’s going to happen. 😛
His little peter wants what his little peter wants.
Carmen Neumann 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
You beat me to the Peter wants what his peter wants . 😂😂😂
Madison can't change who she is and she can't stop saying the word "like". Beyond annoying.
@LoyalT1987 absolutely right.
Nothing wrong with setting healthy boundaries in relationships and it is a shame for people to spin it as something negative.
He’s had sex before. He’s not committed to her yet and she knew what she signed up for. I’m on his side.
She's not asking to marry a virgin, she's asking for someone who doesn't want to sleep with another girl 6 days before proposing. He was free to have sex with the other women, but Madison was letting him know how that would make her feel.
I felt like I was watching a scene out of the Notebook when he said "I'm not perfect, I never meant to hurt you". Their romance turned from a hallmark movie to a Nicholas Sparks film real quick
There's nothing better to control oneself and others than religion. As a friend, anybody can have whatever belief they want, but for a partner in life never a religious person. Nothing is better than a free person.
I guess you have no clue about what real freedom is. Rules set you free and free to do whatever you desire is the biggest enslavement!
Now these girls are getting Peter to say "like". Did you notice?
doctor: "you have 5 minutes and 2 seconds left to live"
me:
Umm kay
I think Peter just wanna have fun testing things to see who's better at what before he decides. By that, i think he's not really looking for a wife
i agree with her saving the important things marriage first before intimate
Count how many "likes" Madison and Peter say in their conversation.
This proves she did have the talk before the dates, in the warehouse. She did tell him before!!!!!!!!!!
She is awesome! I didn’t think it was either, he is right she was being upfront.
He’s obviously with her lol. 😍 Aw it’s so cute how he backs her up.
To my it wasn't aN ultimatum... I totally respect her no matter how the dynamic of the show is...
MADISON you deserve better!!!
drinking game every time Maddison says like we drink 😂
Should we call for an ambulance or is it too late?😆
madison deserves more respect for calling the show out on having the bachelor/bachelorette sleep w multiple people within the same week as the proposal is supposed to happen🙃
She's not telling him he can't. She said if he did. She can't change who she is or what she believes and either Peter was gonna respect that or he won't. She said that he's a big boy and it was his decision.
That 100% is not an ultimatum. It’s not crazy to want your boyfriend to not screw other people especially if he’s thinking about proposing to you a few days after. I think the whole screwing people back to back to back and then proposing to one is kind of gross.
Not all thinks it’s ultimatum. I don’t think so. Who would be comfortable with someone who told 3 girls he was in love and could see all 3 as his wives 2 weeks before proposing to anyone. Even under the bachelor format peter still seems to have less clarity regarding who he wants than most other bachelors around the time of fantasy suite
I don’t think Peter knows what “love” is. Hannah B did some damage.
RIVERTHOUGHTS not fair to blame the woman for the mans actions. he is a big big and is making his own decisions.
It is normal what she did
It's normal in a real life relationship not on The Bachelor
Yes, we know what you mean.
I love Madison!
Only wify material of the three is Def Madi. It's a lot to unpack and digest. Good luck Madi.
nice video
Bad take, sharing your expectations in a relationship is not an ultimatum especially when it’s something so personal. Also weird of you to call her awkward for sharing her decision to remain abstinent until marriage when she not once asked or expected anyone to do the same. All about girl power until it doesn’t fit the right narrative 🙄
Anyone tally up the number of times Madison said, “Like” in this episode? It’s ridiculously annoying.
Peter is currently with Madison that's the reason why he said she didn't give him an ultimatum.
Now if he didn't end up with Madison he would have use the ultimatum word to defend himself.
Lol you guys are among some of THE ONLY PEOPLE who do think it was an ultimatum , stop villian-ising her for being rational and having standards 🤷🏻♀️🙄
It definitely was not an ultimatum, Peter just can not keep it in his pants and I think Madison deserves better! Peter and Hanna Ann deserve each other...that's just my lil ole opinion lol 😜
See his eyes. Dude's been crying
Girl. He didn’t choose you for the fantasy suites. He chose the other 2 girls he’s deciding between, and slept with both to figure out who he wants to have sex with for the rest of his life. The moment he didn’t choose you for that privacy moment, you should have left, that’s confirmation he didn’t want to get to know you better without cameras
I don't understand why she just didn't tell him she was a virgin.....she sure beat around the topic
I hope that Madison stays. And I hope it's her that Peter chooses
sandy decremer I don’t think she’s gonna let the fact that he slept with the two other girls slide. She can maybe forgive him but she’ll never forget.
Love Peter, Love Madison but he seriously need to tap the brakes.
So why did everyone hate on luke. P when he said the same things to Hannah B.
Damn. This dude really does get around tho ....
He knows she’ll forgive him for being with the others. That’s the show.
Hummm... Does Peter know the definition of ultimatum?? 😒
Intimacy is more than just sex so if intimacy with the other women is what bothers her she shouldn’t have been on the show. Their values don’t line up so neither one of them is in the “wrong”. They’re just too different to be compatible
II love all the support I'm reading for Madison! #TeamMadison!
"Some" people keep saying, "she signed up for it." Uh...no. She didn't sign up to have sex, period. She signed up for a DATING show where she might have met the man of her dreams. It's not in the contract, it's not a requirement, to get literally screwed. To say so is disrespectful to a lot of women...and, men. Not all bachelors and bachelorettes screw their final dates.
Annnd we have welcomed to the show the female version of Colton Underwood. Ladies and gentlemen meet your new bachelorette.
@LoyalT1987 I was just pulling a funny, but I'm sure you're right. He should have just proposed to Madison right then and there, during the last rose ceremony. Just in way he acted towards her, and the way he looked at her when he asked her if she was sure she'd still accept the rose, told me she's gonna be it. I actually kinda felt bad for the other two, because obviously having to stand there and watch wasn't enjoyable.
I’m with Madison, I personally think it’s wrong to sleep with anyone in the fantasy suite. The only time I find it acceptable is when the lead knows who they’re picking and sleeps with that person because they can’t hold out til after the engagement. Peter knew what he was doing and how it would make her feel and slept with at least one of the other women anyway.
He picked her! I guarantee it!
Jackie...You mean Madison? I hope, but I have a feeling he picked the conceited Hannah Ann, since apparently Madison left, bummer.
Madison and Luke P. would be a beautiful couple.
soly camargo Luke P is controlling a violent, he has serious issues to address before he should be with ANYONE! Besides, they handled it completely differently. Luke gave an ultimatum with intention to control and place judgement on Hannah. His statements were about her doing wrong, not him having a moral position. Madison made it very clear that she wasn’t judging Peter for having different values than her, and didn’t say he did a bad or wrong thing, just that she places a very high value on sex and couldn’t accept a proposal from someone who had had sex with other women less than a week before. He very easily could have not had sex, it’s not that hard lol like if he’s saying he’s in love with her it’s pretty silly to potentially throw it away just for a couple of orgasms 🤷🏼♀️
I think Luke P got a bad edit
He’s lowkey a polygamist
I agree he wants all three of them.
This was not an ultimatum ...
Peter Webber’s send her home
And what is this bs statement. I can see you and me together after the show. Of course you can. It's one thing to say you want to be with someone for the rest of your life and it's another thing to say that you can see yourself with someone forever. Dude. That's just not love
How many think...like I do... that he will convince her and she will fogive him? Of course that doesn't mean they make it to the alter... but Peter will need to wait for the alter... because she says wedding night and she is not playing! Will they make it? Who knows... if they do good for them and it will show he really cares about her... as that will be very very difficult for him to wait... maybe they will have a wedding in 2-3 months ...lol
Luke P did it and he was deemed crazy and obsessive but Madi does it and it's fine? 🤷🏻♀️
I'm not religious but if in the same situation, I'd say the same to him. If you can't control your urges, you don't get to be my husband.