TikTok Outperforms YouTube, Another Google Service, and EV Delays
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this week's episode Marques and Andrew get back to some of the news that has been causing discussions around the studio. From a certain electric vehicle being delayed to TikTok encroaching on TH-cam's crown, this is a good one filled with news and a hypothetical question or two.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:46 Roadster delayed
04:01 VW concept and EV talk
24:57 Google Chat
32:10 TH-cam vs TikTok
46:40 Andrew's Hot Take question
53:57 Apple Event predictions
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Marques, give Andrew a pay raise so he can afford a Tesla
Damn you! Came to make this exact comment 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
I think he does get paid well, he mentioned he recently purchased a home which is why he is considering price and homes in New Jerseys are not cheap at all.
@@KennyFlagg I have open pilot in my Prius prime. It's insane.
“Company car”
"a $40000 car is not affordable by any means"
THANK YOU!!!
This is true, but it is still impressive that in 2016, the cheapest Tesla you could buy was the Model S at ~$80,000. Now it’s half the price to get an actually compelling, long-range EV. This will approximately half in price again in 2023-2024, but the used car market will become robust for Model 3s, Mustang Mach-Es and the like, which will also improve EV prices for the masses. The numbers show that people don’t want Nissan LEAFs and Chevy Bolts. They want vehicles like the Model 3 and Y.
Crazy to think that I'm at the point where I'm WAITING for these new episodes lol.
And good luck on the car buying Andrew, whatever you do we’d love to hear what you bought and the factors that played into your purchase when you do.
I hate that the episodes drop by the time I wake up in audio (gmt) but the video doesn't drop until afternoon sometimes evening
Love the EV talk on these podcasts. Just a couple notes from someone who has been in the industry for a long time: (1) when you look at concept cars you have to remember that they are inherently aspirational and unrealistic. The goal is for designers to push the boundaries with the expectation that few of those features would be in the car. If they could do it all today, then it shouldn't be a concept, they should just make it. (2) The reason Toyota is so behind on EVs is their bet on hydrogen. Japanese automakers have long felt that hydrogen power was a better solution than electric. This hasn't caught on and the infrastructure to support hydrogen is essentially non-existent. Look up the Toyota Mirai or Honda Clarity to see their ideal future for the industry
Andrew: you sound like the perfect candidate for a RAV4 Prime if you can find one at MSRP. Partial electrification is better than none.
Not always true as it's carrying a lot more weight and barely using the electried part of the car a big chunk of the time. Especially if you have long commute.
That’s a great car but good luck finding one at all, let alone at MSRP.
I just got a rav4 hybrid le. I would recommend checking that out. The primes look impossible to get.
I looked at trading in and getting a prime but at the increased cost I could get the hybrid or standard model with a higher trim level. I was also told that if the battery pack goes in a prime it is 4-5k to replace. With rental car cost and labor cost along with battery shortages that could total out the car if it’s 1-2 years old.
42:33 yeah I feel Spotify could do a lot more with recommendations. Best example is, when I search for a song and play it, it’ll keep playing related songs, that’s great. But if I search another song and add to queue, it will just add that one song and carry on with the original list of songs, ideally I’d like it to refresh the songs based on the all the songs I’ve manually put in the queue.
I am from India and TikTok has been banned here for well over a year now.
About the TH-cam vs TikTok debate, I am just wondering about what are the stats for other countries besides the US.
TH-cam has replaced television for me, which is interesting since I grew up with TV. What I'm hoping for is Google to make YT Premium more affordable and consolidated. $12.99 is kinda pricey for only YT and not with YT TV. I don't really need YT Music because that's how I use YT along with a touch-protector. The only drawback is I still get the ads. I'd like the European version of the paid to come to the US, because that's a reasonable price I'd pay to eliminate ads.
In india its price is $2.72 for YT Premium.
5.43$ for 3 months
@@febin320 where ?
@@febin320 I actually had YT Premium free for 6 months when I bought one of my $50 Samsungs. That's what made me want the no-ads version, but when that $12.99 kicked in, CANCEL.
I have YT premium for $8/month and refuse to cancel. Worth it 100%. ($8 was a promotional package price when they launched the now disappeared Google Music.)
why don't you guys put up a giant display on the back wall where the channel logo sits so that when you have to show something it's already there and when idle it can show the logo
just a suggestion
I really really really enjoy these conversations and makes me feel like i am part of it. Thank you guys!
It's very refreshing to see Andrew take the safe route when getting a new car.
With TH-cam shorts coming as strong as they are into the space, TH-cam will remain king for videos. I can see shorts becoming more popular over time and tiktok just doesn't pay the way TH-cam does to creators at all.
I can't imagine a world where TH-cam isn't on top!
why be limited to 60s videos when you can upload unlimited or 60s videos
Shorts polluting my sub box has been a terrible experience.
TikTok already surpassed TH-cam overall in terms of watch time per month. Fat chance now
Don’t mean to be a party pooper from the “future”, but in Europe we have the VW ID.3 45kWh on sale for 27k Euros that has a WLTP range on 210 miles. It also has the play/pause pedals…
Adam should jump in and ADR lines whenever someone misspeaks, like the headphones/headlines at the start. Talking for an hour+ straight, it’s amazing things like that don’t happen more often.
If the phone design paradigm was "reset" with smartphones then is the apple watch a smartwatch rather than a watch?
Toyota does not want to give up combustion engines. They’re still banking on hydrogen combustion engines to takeoff hence, the slow adaption for full EV cars.
I think they are waiting on better batteries.
@@vanderumd11 This is a bad strategy. Whatever battery that comes out at scale which could be better than current battery tech, companies that have been developing and optimizing their battery management software and overall EV prowess will have far better products than Toyota. This will be especially true for Tesla, Rivian, and even VW.
Also, Tesla’s 4680 batteries are quite revolutionary. Solid-state batteries are not necessary for high performance, long-range, and safe EVs with the innovations that Tesla brought to those cells. Other automakers will end up using 4680 cells, as battery suppliers like LG and Samsung SDI will also produce 4680 cells.
say what you will, 20syl has done a great great job with the intro. i push up my volume level just for that tune man. insanely good.
I really wish when you guys talk about certain things while you are looking a pictures/videos you would pop them up on the screen.
TH-cam is my main source of entertainment, and as a Premium user, I never see ads. TikTok won't be replacing anything for me anytime soon.
As someone in the same boat, its been crazy watching this unfold
Regarding algorithms, and specifically with Spotify, so I do this thing with Spotify where, at the beginning of each year, I start a new annual playlist, and when I go to hit "Like" on a song that I am particularly enjoying, I've made it a habit to also add that song to my annual playlist for that year. Now, this is kind of tedious to do, and you might ask, "Why would you do that? Spotify already has a 'playlist' of literally every song you have ever liked, why make a separate personal playlist like that?" I'm actually not exactly sure what my initial motivation to start doing this was (perhaps I didn't realize at the time that I could just look back at all of my previously liked videos, lol, Idk), but for me, ever since I started doing that, I feel like my Discover Weekly suggestions have been noticeably improved.
Maybe this is all just in my head and I just didn't notice how good the suggestions were until I started deliberately adding them individually to a separate playlist, but a big part of me thinks that Spotify's algorithm kind of lacks useful points of metadata most of the time. So when I listen to a song that I really like a lot, the algorithm is able to see effectively a second data point representing my interest in that specific song, not just the single data point of "User has 'Liked' this song", but it's like I'm able to "double like" a song by showing further engagement via adding that song to a personal playlist.
This feels kind of dumb to phrase it this way, but I honestly feel like Spotify's suggestions would improve if the user had some easy way to effectively "double like" or "love" a song when they really enjoy it, such as a long press on the "Like" button instead of just a tap or something. As you guys note in this episode, Spotify really does kind of lack a lot of the engagement fidelity that a platform like TikTok, or even a platform like TH-cam, has available to their algorithm, so I really think it would be improved by giving more granular ways of engaging with songs to the end user.
Marques, if Andrew isn’t goofy to say it I will. Raise this man’s pay so he can get an electric car 🚗 ⚡️
12:20 I think Toyota is focusing on Hydrogen Cell technology.
Been binging all the whole podcast the past few days
Marques’ hot take about watches is kinda true
NIO ET7 unveiled in January this year, expected to be available to buy early 22 supposedly has a range of 1000km (622 miles). So thats another one to look forward to
RAV4 prime is both electric for 42 miles and 500 gas. My gf got it and she loves it
Los amooooo specially with my Sunday morning coffee!!!!!
When I hear “watch” I definitely picture a smart watch first, and I actually own several analog watches
To Andrew’s qualms with the $100 refundable deposits. The reason(s) for them is quite simple. Currently, there’s over 1 million reservations for Cybertruck. Once Cybertruck production begins, Tesla won’t be making 1 million within a year, not even close. They have to ramp up production, so the $100 is a reservation deposit. We’re you the 10,000th person to put down that deposit? Cool, then you’ll get the ~10,000th Cybertruck. It’s going to take a while for Tesla to build all of those reservation Cybertrucks.
These reservations don’t happen with gas cars because for the most part, gas cars aren’t build to order, whereas build to order is Tesla’s business model. Also, for example, if Toyota were to announce a new ICE vehicle model, production ramp wouldn’t take long. ICE technology is extremely common and old, and there’s a ton of production lines for that technology. The Cybertruck (and some other EVs) is being built with new technology. Something to think about.
Curious how long Andrew's commute is. Lease the VW ID4 Pro (non S) for 3 years and pair it up with 3 years of free EA charging. Even if you go with a more expensive lease (i.e. higher mileage allowance), it may be very affordable given the $0 fuel cost.
Really enjoyed this one
Interesting! Nice video. ✌️
I also live in a rural area, drive a Model 3, and my closest TSC is also an hour away. There are Tesla certified shops locally though.
2020 Rv 4 here and I love it
You guys talking about square watches reminds me so much of the Microsoft executive laughing at the first iPhone. Circle made sense for time, but now that watches have displays it makes literally no sense. The reason to get round smartwatch is preference, otherwise its worse at everything than square watch.
VW id3 and id4 have those play/pause pedals 8:56
Also Google photos, you can do messages in Google photos app too.
😂 Willy Do and Andrew should collab and chronicle their car hunt and new house experience!
Circular watches are way more popular than square watches lol.
Marques, I've been watching you for 8 years now man. You just seem like such a great guy and I just wanted to put that out there nohomo but also a little bit.
How do you guys feel about space-tech? I rarely see you guys talking about it
I have a Fossil and Fossil has some very classy and casual smartwatch looks
The thing with youtube shorts is that I don't want to watch shorts based on what I watch on youtube and vice versa. I watch completely different content on TikTok then what I watch on youtube
Your car insurance policy usually includes replacement rentals during collision repairs.
Where our model 3 got rear-ended, the insurance paid for rental of an equivalent car they only had a 2 doors Ford mustang GT at shop... So we went for a RAV4 instead.
Tesla center within 1hr is not that important. Even in a big city with several centers, it will take you a while to get to one. And mobile service at home is great for small to medium repairs.
#Great video 📹 love ❤ u guys
Production year is still on cybertruck page.
"Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in 2022"
Marques encouraging me to watch TikTok.👍
Andrew try to find a RAV4 Prime!! Seems perfect based on your comments
Hottest take is moving hours away from where you work so you have to buy a gas car when a freakin climate change hurricane just hit your area. I was really into electric cars until I realized we really need to be working on public transit and building communities where you can walk or bike to work. Putting another car on the road whether it’s electric or gas is adding to the problem not solving it.
2022 Nissan Frontier! Brand new body, looks amazing, and starts at 29k
New intro🔥
My insurance only went up $150 in NYC for my Tesla
56:17 what podcast did they talk to Mr Wonderful? Was it before they did video podcasts?
play and pause on pedals are not a concept, they're used in id.4 and id.3
I guess that's TH-cam's fault more than anything else because the amount of ads on the videos of the favorite creators are insane
In India we have Tata Nexon EV, that is 20-21k USD (15 lakhs INR) and 320km range which is like 200 miles.
$25,000 with 250 miles that would be game changing. Hopefully the charging infrastructure will be better for non-teslas.
Tesla will eventually open up the supercharger network, which should help non-Tesla’s that have proper placement of their charging ports. However, supercharging in a Tesla will always be better than in a non-Tesla, unless the non-Tesla’s automaker adopts Tesla’s charging tech and SW.
Can I find this one on Spotify?
Andrew: Was it awkward to talk about not being able to get a Tesla due to money Infront of the man that pays you? Also, Marques: give it a few more decades until the older generation is no longer around, the squircle will be the new norm, no one one will even think of traditional watches because the new "traditional" IS the squircle 🤯
They are In the NJ new york city area so maybe it's just because of cost of living is ridiculous in that area
I have never even heard of Google Buzz
I wanted a hybrid rav 4 but bought the standard. The hybrid was approx 4k more as the hybrids at my local dealerships all had higher trims and hybrids just having a higher cost. After crunching the numbers, it would take me approx 7 years to break even with the increased cost. I hope hybrid and ev come down in price to make it make more sense
Watch is just a timepiece, could be a pocket watch etc. thats why it was/is called a wrist watch.
Andrew what about an Fiat Toro? Do you have one of those trucks in US?
31:50 this fact always surprises me. How do Americans expect everyone to use the same operating system, and do you all stop talking to people if they don't have iMessage?!
The main purpose of a messaging app is to connect you to as many people as possible and making a proprietary messaging service just kills this.
I live here, we use SMS for any cross platform stuff. I don't really know why, but I'm guessing it's because the US got free unlimited texting on a lot of phone plans very early on in the cell phone age. So everyone just got accustomed to SMS, and once habits are built they're hard to change. I use Signal and FB messenger too for certain people, but the most universal way is definitely SMS still
As an American, it’s because unlike in other countries most people *do* use the same operating system, since iPhones originated here (they caught on first in the American market and gained the reputation as the default smartphone, by the time iPhones reached other countries they were expensive and Android had a foothold so things were competitive) and are cheaper than in a lot of countries. 52% of Americans are on iOS (the highest percentage of any country besides Japan). In all other countries Android is the most popular operating system. Additionally, the 52% figure is for the whole population. Anecdotally, within certain socioeconomic groups (the lower middle class all the way to the upper class, from ages 16-49, living in cities) iOS is even more popular, approaching 100%. In America, only the poor, technology illiterate/apathetic people (the elderly, immigrants), and tech enthusiasts (the kind of people who read tech reviews and build their own PC’s), use Android. Since most personal textual communication occurs within one’s socioeconomic group, this creates a network effect that further incentivizes people to get/stick with iOS as well as it being a cultural/status indicator.
Additionally, as others have mentioned, unlimited SMS messaging has been free as part of standard phone plans in the US since (I don’t remember when, but) I think around or even before when WhatsApp was released. Hence there was no need to adopt WhatsApp, since any message that didn’t send as an iMessage was seamlessly sent as a text message for free (albeit as a basic message without the features of iMessage or WhatsApp). So to answer your question we don’t stop talking to people on another service because we text them within iMessage. People will also download WhatsApp on their iPhone to text with friends/family in other countries if needed, especially immigrants with iPhones (keeping in mind most of America is fairly insular and so people have no need to communicate with people in other countries where people might use Android). On college/university campuses, students will typically download GroupMe for cross platform communication in large messaging groups.That said, because iMessage is the default within certain socioeconomic groups, and because as mentioned certain groups of people tend to use android (the poor, elderly, immigrants, nerds), and because it is inconvenient to lose out on added iMessage features or have to switch to another app, there definitely is a stigma (conscious or subconsciously) against people with the dreaded “green bubble”.
For example, my brother had a Pixel 2 because quote “F##k Apple”, also he liked the G-suite integration for school. But last year after it died he switched to iPhone, because it was more convenient in college where everyone uses iPhone and he didn’t want to be the green bubble. Additionally, I was listening to an interview podcast with a bunch of 20 something girls and they were asked what they though when a guy from a dating app texted them and it was a green bubble, and they *all* said it was an instant turn off, since they assumed he was poor/weird.
Completely off topic but Marques should be on Celebrity Big Brother (US). It’d be dope to see him play lol
4:35 Andrew did say that
You guys should look towards the Indian EV market there are already two cars available in India for under 24k usd offering 200 miles range.
29:35 Noted haha
29:29 best moment
Scenario:
What if we reset all brand names/loyalty, today, and they start making smart phones
Who would end up being the most popular
20ysl is so good
I don't normally post, but what about mobile service? I have have both great and awful Tesla service....but it's worth the hassle....also great podcast
I don't think I've been this early to one of these vids before
Gmail alredy has Google meet in its app
The most popular watch company is Apple, so more watches in the world aren’t that shape but all Apple Watches are more popular than all Casio watches
I love my Prius and it's pretty old, 2005. It barely runs lol but can still net me 900 if I sold it to a scrap yard. Not bad for a 16yr old car
Insta reels are huge in India. Tiktok misses a billion users due to the ban. I wonder if people will flock back if they unban it.
Toyota doesn't rush on anything, that's why they last, first prototypes are hand built, and even into the first bit of production, then slowly move to robots building the cars
I swear Gmail already has Google Meet calls and I used it for every online class last year in college? What are they changing I wonder
Regarding TikTok is they have 3 minutes videos and it’s also filled with trimmed shows sketches and such
Concept car is a CONCEPT, general vision for the future, aspirations, it should be unrealistic. They allow designers to get wild. They show customers what will be the future design language. That is all.
Bronco was taking pre-order deposits! That's the only gas car I can think of
How is youtube even compared to tiktok. The only thing they have in common is they’re considered social platforms. Passed that the content, the demographics, and engagement is all different so…… i’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars a year marketing for different businesses and they don’t perform the same, because are used for a completely different needs.
Right now in the UK you can buy the MG5 for £25k. 250 actual miles of range. It's a practical large wagon. It's got a 60kWh battery. It has an interior straight out of 2008. These Chinese companies that are bringing electric cars to Europe right now that impreesive in £ v range are going to hit that $25k 300Mile sweet spot way before Tesla or any of the big car companies gets close.
VW group already makes a car that uses your phone instead of a central screen, The Seat Mii (also available as an EV), a tiny city car. It does have a normal speedo though in the usual spot.
Toyota already sells an EV, the hydrogen powered Mirai, onto it's second generation recently. Fuel Cell cars are still EV's. They're a viable way to live for some people who live and work around the Hydrogen stations of london or California. Gen1 came out in 2014. They also sell BEV cars through Lexus, though that's pretty half hearted at the moment.
Love this podcast! You guys are so cool
We can chat in Google Pay too
What in the world type of insurance doesn’t give a rental in an accident
My family has had RAV4s for years. Best SUV you can get in terms of quality and serviceability.
I’ve been in both a model Y and the rav4 and have to say, if tesla can get that car cheaper, it is the best car on the market. RAV4 felt really slow and bulky, model Y was more roomy.
so many ads on TH-cam. i have to use youtube vanced
55:33 Well that's only it the Apple Watch had more than 50% market share. It can have less (which it probably does) but still be the most popular.
Does keeping ice cars for a really long time like 180 000 miles give you a carbon credit ?
talking about dressing up an apple watch i agree its hard hard. but i have the all stainless steel and its prob as close to classy as you can get but still ehhh
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When the guy said he decided to NOT get a Tesla Marques wanted to fire his ass immediately.
I just looked at my youtube watch history and it says i watch 150hrs of youtube a month... apparently i have a problem.
No way ?!?! A delay …
who has the battery supply to make a 25,000 ev. the amount you have to push out to get to that price would have to be 3/4 a mil or over a mil cars a year.
I really don't understand why people feel like having a full charge when they leave their house is a big advantage over gas cars when you can easily fill up your gas tank in less than 10min literally anywhere
Headphones and Headlines!😂
How can he mispronounce these words
@@shreyasjagadale7320 that was way too mispronounced 🙆🏻♂️
@@abhinavshrivas6812 yeah Idk how he did that 😅
I have adblock on my PC, but not my iPhone, so TH-cam is generally relegated to my PC.