Lads - this couldn't have landed at a better time. My FIRST EVER valve amp arrived yesterday. I got a '68 Custom Princeton Reverb after playing through a Vox modeler since forever. A weekend of knob twiddling awaits - HUZZAH!
Been watching you guys for years, and although this concept might seem basic on the surface, this is easily one the best and most useful episodes of all time. Gain stage/EQ interaction is one of the hardest things to really nail and this should really help loads of people get it right for their personal scenarios. Right on guys, well done!
This is kindergarden level stuff. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. If you find this video "amazing", you should probably find a more rewarding hobby, this ain't for you. And yes, I'm gatekeeping here, get over it. Guitar isn't for everyone. Sorry, not sorry.
I hope you've had the chance to read some of these comments. So many people grateful for this show; myself included. Thanks guys. You do a fantastic job. Your viewers are people of different abilities, experience but all united in the their love for the geetar!
I've had an AC15C1 since 2010 and primarily play teles, and was curious to see where y'all ended up with your settings. Lo' and behold, that is exactly how I set mine. Feels good to have my instincts affirmed by your good taste and knowledge!
Part way through this episode I turned on my Deluxe Reverb to let it warm up as Dan and Mick had brought some very exciting news to my attention. Once warm I then paused the video, adjusted my volume/treble/bass and now I love my amp even more than before! As always TPS saves the day!
That trick of looking for maximum change is my favorite tip I've heard in a while. Tried it on two different amps, really opened them up and improved things. Also works on modellers (Iridium) and three band EQ gain pedals. Thanks gents! (took a bit to try this but worth the wait!)
Realize the simplicity of signal routing in the better tube amp circuit. They rely on this fundamental understanding in order to properly engage the amp.
To me, this the most helpful amp setup and overdrive pedal pairing instructional thus far! Thanks so much for all you do! You guys always inspire and enlighten me. 🙏
Love love love this one. Going through all the various guitars with the first two amps, you hear the character of each guitar provided the volume coming from the pickups is not too hot. Great example was when Dan knocked the master down on the Gretsch, immediately I could hear "that Gretsch sound". That Casino sounds great. The pickups really transformed it. Super fun video to kick off the weekend. Thanks to you both.
Learn so much "Good Stuff" from Mick & Dan... One of the Best Teams on TH-cam presenting Guitars, AMP's & Pedals... and demonstrating those interactions... 🤠... Very rewarding and enjoyable ...
Guys, I love you! After watching a bunch of your videos I am finally getting the sound I wanted. Now, when I turn on my amp and pedals and hit the strings it feels like a revelation. Thank you so much!
I inherited a HRD in high school then I just bought a AC15 last year and I love both of them so much, they do very different jobs but they both do them amazingly. I’ve even dabbled in wet/dry with them and oh boy
2mins in to the video and got to say I was quite touched by your playing and tone Mick. Really hit me in the feels, thank you. Now to rewind the start again before i carry on to the rest of the vid.
I commented in another video about how I wish you'd try other amps so I could know more about the headroom of my amp. I think I was only 20 minutes in and you'd already answered all of my questions. And there was still more! Love the show. Keep up the good work. :)
With a new amp coming in soon, this is exactly what I needed! The TPS Crew is really killing it right now, thank you for all the knowledge. 🙏🏼 Also, that intro playing was insane, bravo, Mr. Taylor.
Lovely. This has been incredibly helpful. Especially re: the FX loop. God love ya, those last 3 minutes was as crisp and simple as it needed to be. No frills, simple understanding with CONTEXT is harder to come by than it ought to be.
Ah, Friday… Been waiting for the Amp EQ subject for a long time - and in true TPS fashion, you delivered so much more. Great discussion, Gents, as always. Thank you. P. S. Sludge Metal… 😂🥳
That vox just sounds so proper man. It’s what i always expect a a rock guitar to sound like. I know there’s a Gibson into a Marshall thing. But damn it a tele into an AC-15 is so awesome
The most helpful show ever guys! I was dealing with a really LOUD clean amp and I was struggling with obtainning some good overdiven tones at reasonable volume. That "undergain" trick is awesome! Never thought about this.
Man, I heard the first 1 minute and subscribed. Got back into guitar last couple months, never owned pedals before. This tone in the first minute, that Reverb pedal is going to be first choice of pedal. That sound is epic
@@ThatPedalShow since you guys replied, did I make a mistake in my comment thinking that tone is only the Skylar pedal? I watched it again and its actually multiple pedals on to achieve this tone isn't it? Thanks for the help!
I learn so much each time I watch an episode from you guys. I have been playing for 30 years and always was a clean Fender with pedals guy. I didn't know why.. Had alot of people talking about head room and having no idea what it was. I guess because I had it already. But I learn so much and am so grateful for what you guys do . Thank you so much I wish you guys could double your show output but you have to have lives too ...haha Thanks from Kentucky,USA
This worked absolutely amazingly well for me!! What a great help guys! I was on my out to buy another amp when I started tweaking both my 1959 Fender Bassman re-issue and my original 1969 Fender Super Reverb. Sounds Amazing now 👍
Superb episode, gents. From experience, I can tell you the guitar volume does work on a gainy amp but you have to turn down real low, which is where a Strat comes into its own because you can grab the pot easily. Also, having a two channel amp gives you the best of both worlds - for me, anyhow - one channel gainy, one channel on the edge. I don't use gain pedals in the gainy side because, as you showed, there's no point. My other stuff, delays, modulations, always go in the loop. What I really got from this one though, was, if I'm ever saddled with a clean amp, how I can make it work for me.
I run a Mesa Boogie Rectoverb 25 like this. The Pushed channel is just barely breaking up, and the Vintage (higher gain) channel is set for hard rhythm and lead sounds. My OD pedals are really only used on the Pushed channel. Such a fun way to play!
This video gives me hope now. I’ve got a new Tele on the way ,I’ve got 2002 hot rod devillle 60 to pay it through . Nothing but head room. This channel has kicked my love for electric guitars and pedals up to 11!. Thanks lads great work
Great episode. Love my AC15 on the normal channel. It's got more headroom than I thought - more than my Bassbreaker15, which compresses much earlier. The way the Vox takes delay really works for me. After watching this episode, I think it'll work even better.
Well besides being a super helpful episode in general, this really clarified something that's gotten me turned around in the past while researching amps - the phrases "takes pedals well" and "pedal platform," I'm realizing, for some guitarists, refer very specifically to how the preamp interacts with dirt pedals. I've seen people recommend fairly gainy amps under such banners and it confused me, since to my mind the phrases meant what you're calling here a "clean pedal platform," referring to every pedal under the sun. Curious little bit of semantic narrow-mindedness on my part, I think. Thanks as always for all the great work, leg-ends!
Mick, I LOVED the sound of the Victory amp. It was a very beautiful crunch to me. I would add a more gain for a solo. I love the way that an amp compresses and sustains when. I do that. I think that kind of tone is definitely not where you where you live, musically. That being said .I think that both you and Dan are wonderful players and even though I am a very experienced, long time player, I always enjoy your content and learn new things from it all the time. Happy New Years!
It's also worth noting that certain amps are set to different frequency levels, as in the frequency spectrum (bass, mid, treble). It is touched upon in this video with the Fender Hot Rod and Vox AC15 but there are amps, such as my Fender Blues Junior that are heavily midrange amps, so a little on the mid control of that amp goes a long way and what one would think is a scooped sound isn't. Knowing this really helped me open up the amp to where it no longer sounds boxy. My Blues Junior is the Humboldt Hot Rod with the hemp speaker, so there's variables to work around. The point is to learn your amp(s) in order to dial in the best sound and then any pedals added will be icing on the cake.
Love this show so much I've said it before and I'll say it again the way they run the show feels like you're there hanging out in the room and playing guitar and experimenting and all of the great stuff they do, plus Dan and Mick are such a cool guys and great guitar players and them sharing their experience with us it's something just priceless!
Hey Mick n Dan…”All you need is FUZZ is all you need” !! No, really,..thank you for such an excellent show. Learned so much. More than an overview, really, from my perspective…basics info that I really needed…er…need. Thanks again. F
Thanks for this episode, all the recent episodes have been awesome. This really helped me dial in my different amps to work with my pedals and cab (bass speaker fitted), finding the point of most change sees my bass EQ knob near 2 or 3!
One thing I love about the Orange Rocker series is that the clean channel has no eq. It is what it is so you only have to worry about gain level. The other great thing is that an eq pedal on the board ( or in the effects loop) gives you so much more control compared to amp eq especially if it’s programmable. And Mick I know you’ve just bought a new strat, but you and that 335 make a great pair😀
A good demonstration why a 2-channel amp is a good idea if you want to play some clean parts in a band with a lot of gain on the guitars. That's why even the MESA Boogie JP-2C Petrucci sig is a 3-channel amp. Either that, or multiple amps for multiple roles.
Finally got my amp to sound how I wanted, thank you! All my eq settings were waaaay too high. Not only does it sound good, it now sounds good with my strat & 335 without any eq changes between them, just gain.
I agree with Dan 100% about running the delays and reverb in the front of the amp with a mid headroom amp. I am using a 65 Amps Tupelo (Very Tweed Deluxe like) and a 65 Amps Marquee (Very Vox and Selmer like), and I love how the amp’s preamp shapes the color of the effect.
I’m the other way. I prefer the preamp into the wet effects. 👍 I’m a Marshall guy for the most part though so that may be most of the reason. I’ve had my eye on a 65amps Empire for a minute. Good stuff.
I’ve got two pretty expensive amps. I normally don’t regret selling gear. One thing I do regret selling is my AC15C1. Such a fantastic amp. They went way up in price recently too. If you need a nice home amp that can do a little of everything stay as far away from the HRD as possible and go my a Vox. Plus the tremolo is awesome.
Agreed on the quality of the Vox. I had one, sold it, and recently bought another for an awesome bargain on the used market . It's now my favorite low wattage combo. Plenty of headroom for most small-medium size gigs (bars/clubs/pubs) unless you really need super clean tone. But even there I think it's totally doable if you're mic'd up. My favorite thing to do with the tremolo is run another amp, go wet/dry with the Vox taking the delays and I leave the tremolo always-on at a very subtle, low level. It's got a better reverb than my Fender Blues Junior iii (Tweed) , and something about how the Vox takes delays really works for me.
Yeah. My vc35 with a 112 open back cab lives at about 11:00 for the gain with moderate volume. It’s dynamic there but still some meat for a boost or light drive to grab onto. Very sweet amp.
Really useful vid - just went back for another look! I never used a delay in front before, but now use two in front - one always on with the mix low (doesn’t swamp out with gain on), the other with the mix higher (for cleaner passages).
Well, I use a two-channel amp (dsl40 combo). The clean channel as cleanly as possible with a slightly increased bass and treble portion. The high gain channel with a decent crunsh. Plus a booster .... That's enough for me. Great video as always! Thank you😀
Amazingly helpful video. I've been struggling a bit to get used to my new falcon grande, but after watching this (particularly the part about EQing the amps at the point of most change), it's like both my eyes and the amp have totally opened up.
Stop apologizing for shaky cam or anything else for that matter. We don’t need Spielburg. Amp cam was great, much appreciated and this episode was terrific!! You guys rock.
What's the BFD all you guys do is twist knobs anyone can do that! Joking you guys are freaking awesome! Thank you so much for all of this amazing information, I've been playing for decades and still learn something cool every time I watch one of your videos. This one in particular I would almost make mandatory for beginning players, keep up the amazing work!
I've recently converted from non-master volume amps (like a Champ or a Marshall Class 5) to a Mesa Boogie Mk5 25. I spent a load of time twiddling knobs without much success. Then I plugged the guitar into the effects return and used the Presence control and Master Volume to tune the power amp until the power amp was sounding good. Then I went back into the front of the amp, knowing that my power amp was a good foundation, and treated the front end of the amp like it was a pedal (or two) ... and they all lived happily ever after.
That's an interesting idea, but wouldn't the output from the power amp be very weak without the preamp section? I always thought the preamp was there to boost the guitar signal up to a useable level.
What a channel and video! Long time drummer that is getting serious about playing the guitar. I really needed to watch this prior to a major amp purchase. I bought a G&L ASAT Special (USA) and have been using a beaten down, multi repaired, hand me down Marshall VS265. I would love to see some mfd pickup guitars on some of your videos. To me they're so special and just sound so different to other pickups. SUBSCRIBED!
Hey gents did you know that in the normal channel of the AC15 you can use the top boost EQ if the top boost volume is on full or up a good way! It may make subtle changes but it does work!
I don’t think that works with the newer ones. I had an AC15 4 years ago and it worked, sold it and now I’ve been regretting it. Tried a few at local shops and noticed they didn’t do it. 🤷♂️ Maybe an anomaly, I dunno.
@@ThatPedalShow also I picked up an old Laney VC30….killer, killer amp. We gotta get a Laney on the channel, I feel like they’re well respected yet under represented. Thoughts?
Welp, this couldn’t be better, first gig ever on Sunday, so I’ve been really enjoying the “real use” and “band context” videos. plus, today is my birthday!, don’t know if I’m going to be standing there, or become a dancing queen, either way I’m 17!
I desperately needed this episode. Just got an Orange Thunderverb 50, and while it’s probably my favorite piece of gear I’ve ever owned I’m a bit over my head.
Edge of breakup w/an AC-15 and Tele is my go-to set up. I typically use the normal channel--the sound is a little more "open" and provides a bit more headroom when using high gain pedals.
The overdrive channel of the HRD is way better than people give it credit for IMO. For classic rock tone use channel 2 on edge of break up and a tube screamer (or similar) it sounds amazing and the rest is up to you, I don't understand why the HRD overdrive channel was completely ignored as if it doesn't exist. The day I worked out that combo (pre TH-cam, things took longer!) was a game changer.
Whilst running the amp clean/cleaner may be a lot more versatile and practical, that Victory Copper with the gain cranked sounded bloody fantastic. It compressed in a completely different way to drive pedals. It might not be a sound for every occasion, but it is definitely a sound!
I've been setting up Fender style amps for years like you explained. I learned this trick from Steve Kimock. It's a lifesaver when using backline amps. It takes adjusting with your eyes out of the picture.
I have a Fender Twin that I got when I was just a student and this kind of info really does illustrate why it sounds so great with pedals when set up correctly.
I used to have an HRD as a clean platform and was using a few pedals with it, I've found that having a low gain overdrive as a "preamp" color (at the end of the gain pedals) helps a lot! I was using a TC tube primer (very "transparent") and it always helped me a lot in reaching the right sound with this amp, without being too harsh or too spiky.
I think i do this same thing with an EP booster. Levels out all different OD options, and provides a bit of “overall” volume adjustment for diff guitars, or dynamic changes during a live set
I use a Strymon Deco for this exact purpose with my HRD. If a fuzz or something is too bright or fizzy the tape saturation replicates the amp overdriving a bit and smoothes it right out.
Having a AC15 and a Epiphone Casino Elitist myself, that sound at 46:26 especially with that strumming G chord was particularly close to home Mick! Great britpop sound!
I don't know if I've heard you say anything you haven't said before, but this video puts it into a different context. This is going to be really helpful to me as my amp is a Twin Reverb, but at church I play through an AC30. I've struggled at times getting the sound I want when I get there and plug in. Excellent job guys, thanks!
I have to say, you guys killing it lately with your new episodes and topics. I enjoyed the band stuff and now this! For me it's the perfect conclusion after one year of guitar pedal research ( thx Corona )
Ha! Yeah, the Benson was pretty cool and the Nobels set with no drive, I agree! It was more when the drives were up, which we kinda only did with the Filaments. Don't get me wrong... You'll hear me play with massive amounts of gain once a few things are stacked... but it's always clear and defined, not mush. Unless the fuzz is on. Erm. :0)
You guys are so amazing always. Those beautiful things you both play are sometimes the most beautiful music I've ever heard. I sure wish you two would release a cd together. The more music the better. Love to you guys!
Thanks for another instructive video. Your recent vids have been so packed with info that I think they need to be watched more than once. Thanks again and take care.
Notes to self: Check 20:40 when setting up Fender amp next practice. Check 35:30 if using Vox next practice. Get amp to most expressive, and EQ clean sound (even if its quite loud). Lower guitar volume knob if clean is required. Set up OCD to act as a dirty channel. Set up BE-OD: Regular channel deluxe with good heavy tone edge of break up. Lead channel nice and Heavy EQ TIPS: Stop turning EQ knob at the point of "most noticeable change" (re-watch video part to double check)
I’m either on the normal channel and using fuzz or I’m on the top boost channel using nothing but the sheer perfection of the Vox ac15. I might get an orange when I get rich someday but my Vox will always be the best. Not just “good enough” it’s the best amplifier hands down.
Super happy now that I got an AC-15. I knew it was a great amp but now i can use this video as a good starting point for my guitar playing. Tele into an AC-15 is my ideal guitar tone!
Thanks for covering this in a video. It might just be my imagination, but I think I feel most "connected" to a valve amp when the signal chain remains 100% analog between the guitar and the amp's front end input. To accomplish this, I've been setting the amp with just a little dynamic crunch on the clean channel, and anything digital goes in the effects loop (usually just reverbs and delays in my case). This method seems to be slightly less affected by the varying qualities of DSPs and AD/DA converters on the market.
And some digital delays and reverbs, even modulation pedals have analog passthrough, ie only the added sound is digital but the original signal remains unchanged.
I always set my amp to a really nice clean tone for the guitar I have plugged into it. If using an amp with a second channel for gain, I set it to sound great with just the guitar. Then I simply add pedals via the front and/or effects loop. I prefer running all overdrive and fuzz pedals through my clean channel. This method has always worked great for me. Merry Christmas Mick and Dan!!! 🎸 🎸
I just found your channel. Maybe a non musician or teenage musician would disapprove of your channel. I am neither. I don't live around musical people so you are the best thing since white bread. Enjoying this episode
Every TPS episode: "Welcome to That Pedal Show. Dan here. Mick here, hello." *Explanation of episode topic and necessary exposition* *Amazing guitar tones* *Succinct and applicable summary* Takeaway: I need an ODR1.
@@ThatPedalShow That's what she said. And a genuine thank you, fellas. My guitar chops have grown incalculably in the past three years, and a good percentage of that is directly attributable to you.
I love your whole high head room vs gainy amp thing. I've been messing with this stuff for years, and one day I love the fender, and another I'm all about my vox. One thing I love about the vox is that the gain sounds are very consistent because any pedal sort of "melds" with the amp- so no matter if you use a fuzz, od, distortion, or simple boost, your tone always sounds like you. With a clean amp like a fender, every pedal can really alter the personality- often radically- of the sound. Neither approach is better, but I do love my vox for the way it sort of homogenizes pedals and keeps my sonic "personality" consistent- if that makes sense.
Yeah, totally all this! This is what we want Jonathan, not people saying this is ‘better’ or ‘worse’ but people understanding what to do for a different result. Happy days!
@That Pedal Show This is a very good description of the sonic outcomes (results) of the two approaches and why you might go with one vs the other. Nicely done @Jonathan York. Is this worth a callout on the vcq maybe?
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Lads - this couldn't have landed at a better time. My FIRST EVER valve amp arrived yesterday. I got a '68 Custom Princeton Reverb after playing through a Vox modeler since forever. A weekend of knob twiddling awaits - HUZZAH!
Nice one Greg! Enjoy that - what a cool amp!
Congrats Greg! New valve amp=best weekend ever. I am happy for you. My best weekends are spend exploring new tones and tinkering with guitars. Enjoy!
Ooooh I’ve been lusting after one
grats bro
That’s a killer first tube amp!
Been watching you guys for years, and although this concept might seem basic on the surface, this is easily one the best and most useful episodes of all time. Gain stage/EQ interaction is one of the hardest things to really nail and this should really help loads of people get it right for their personal scenarios. Right on guys, well done!
Thank you Dwayne!
Yea and show you have many ways you can “get there” if each piece of gear is setup correctly to work together
Was thinking the exact same. Great episode!
This is kindergarden level stuff. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. If you find this video "amazing", you should probably find a more rewarding hobby, this ain't for you. And yes, I'm gatekeeping here, get over it. Guitar isn't for everyone. Sorry, not sorry.
this is exactly why im here. 20 years of pkaying under my belt, but i never put too much thought into it
I always set my controls for the heart of the sun.
Be careful with the fat switch Eugene!
One of these days, I'm going to cut through the mix with those little switches
I always set my controls for interstellar overdrive
A momentary lapse of fun!
@@OysteinSvendsen brilliant my man
I hope you've had the chance to read some of these comments. So many people grateful for this show; myself included. Thanks guys. You do a fantastic job. Your viewers are people of different abilities, experience but all united in the their love for the geetar!
Thank you kindly!
I've had an AC15C1 since 2010 and primarily play teles, and was curious to see where y'all ended up with your settings. Lo' and behold, that is exactly how I set mine. Feels good to have my instincts affirmed by your good taste and knowledge!
Ha! Nice!
Part way through this episode I turned on my Deluxe Reverb to let it warm up as Dan and Mick had brought some very exciting news to my attention. Once warm I then paused the video, adjusted my volume/treble/bass and now I love my amp even more than before! As always TPS saves the day!
This is a topic I had been wanting for a while. Also good to see the Filaments in use, I have one of those and love it.
That trick of looking for maximum change is my favorite tip I've heard in a while. Tried it on two different amps, really opened them up and improved things. Also works on modellers (Iridium) and three band EQ gain pedals. Thanks gents! (took a bit to try this but worth the wait!)
Same here cant wait to try it
Realize the simplicity of signal routing in the better tube amp circuit. They rely on this fundamental understanding in order to properly engage the amp.
To me, this the most helpful amp setup and overdrive pedal pairing instructional thus far! Thanks so much for all you do! You guys always inspire and enlighten me. 🙏
Love love love this one. Going through all the various guitars with the first two amps, you hear the character of each guitar provided the volume coming from the pickups is not too hot. Great example was when Dan knocked the master down on the Gretsch, immediately I could hear "that Gretsch sound". That Casino sounds great. The pickups really transformed it. Super fun video to kick off the weekend. Thanks to you both.
Learn so much "Good Stuff" from Mick & Dan... One of the Best Teams on TH-cam presenting Guitars, AMP's & Pedals... and demonstrating those interactions... 🤠... Very rewarding and enjoyable ...
Guys, I love you! After watching a bunch of your videos I am finally getting the sound I wanted. Now, when I turn on my amp and pedals and hit the strings it feels like a revelation. Thank you so much!
I inherited a HRD in high school then I just bought a AC15 last year and I love both of them so much, they do very different jobs but they both do them amazingly. I’ve even dabbled in wet/dry with them and oh boy
2mins in to the video and got to say I was quite touched by your playing and tone Mick. Really hit me in the feels, thank you. Now to rewind the start again before i carry on to the rest of the vid.
Thank you kindly Leigh!
I commented in another video about how I wish you'd try other amps so I could know more about the headroom of my amp. I think I was only 20 minutes in and you'd already answered all of my questions. And there was still more! Love the show. Keep up the good work. :)
Hoooray!
With a new amp coming in soon, this is exactly what I needed!
The TPS Crew is really killing it right now, thank you for all the knowledge. 🙏🏼
Also, that intro playing was insane, bravo, Mr. Taylor.
Thanks so much Bryan!
What amp?
HRD
The intro was AWESOME
I have been a big fan for 3 to 4 years they have helped me out so much in tone-wise.
Lovely. This has been incredibly helpful. Especially re: the FX loop. God love ya, those last 3 minutes was as crisp and simple as it needed to be. No frills, simple understanding with CONTEXT is harder to come by than it ought to be.
Ah, Friday…
Been waiting for the Amp EQ subject for a long time - and in true TPS fashion, you delivered so much more.
Great discussion, Gents, as always. Thank you.
P. S. Sludge Metal… 😂🥳
IMHO: I'D REALLY LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT ALL OF THE INSIDE SECRETS OF ARRANGING, AND CONTROLLING THE PEDALBOARD EFFECTS!!!..
Das beste Video zum Thema, was ich bis jetzt gesehen habe!
I've been trying to get decent sound out of my AC15 for ages and this has been a revelation. Brilliant stuff, thanks guys
That vox just sounds so proper man. It’s what i always expect a a rock guitar to sound like. I know there’s a Gibson into a Marshall thing. But damn it a tele into an AC-15 is so awesome
The most helpful show ever guys! I was dealing with a really LOUD clean amp and I was struggling with obtainning some good overdiven tones at reasonable volume. That "undergain" trick is awesome! Never thought about this.
Man, I heard the first 1 minute and subscribed. Got back into guitar last couple months, never owned pedals before. This tone in the first minute, that Reverb pedal is going to be first choice of pedal. That sound is epic
Welcome Tyler!
@@ThatPedalShow since you guys replied, did I make a mistake in my comment thinking that tone is only the Skylar pedal? I watched it again and its actually multiple pedals on to achieve this tone isn't it? Thanks for the help!
I learn so much each time I watch an episode from you guys. I have been playing for 30 years and always was a clean Fender with pedals guy. I didn't know why.. Had alot of people talking about head room and having no idea what it was. I guess because I had it already. But I learn so much and am so grateful for what you guys do . Thank you so much I wish you guys could double your show output but you have to have lives too ...haha Thanks from Kentucky,USA
This worked absolutely amazingly well for me!! What a great help guys! I was on my out to buy another amp when I started tweaking both my 1959 Fender Bassman re-issue and my original 1969 Fender Super Reverb. Sounds Amazing now 👍
Who needs pedals?
Superb episode, gents. From experience, I can tell you the guitar volume does work on a gainy amp but you have to turn down real low, which is where a Strat comes into its own because you can grab the pot easily. Also, having a two channel amp gives you the best of both worlds - for me, anyhow - one channel gainy, one channel on the edge. I don't use gain pedals in the gainy side because, as you showed, there's no point. My other stuff, delays, modulations, always go in the loop. What I really got from this one though, was, if I'm ever saddled with a clean amp, how I can make it work for me.
I run a Mesa Boogie Rectoverb 25 like this. The Pushed channel is just barely breaking up, and the Vintage (higher gain) channel is set for hard rhythm and lead sounds. My OD pedals are really only used on the Pushed channel. Such a fun way to play!
This video gives me hope now. I’ve got a new Tele on the way ,I’ve got 2002 hot rod devillle 60 to pay it through . Nothing but head room.
This channel has kicked my love for electric guitars and pedals up to 11!. Thanks lads great work
Great channel! I love how you take your time and don't try and speed through everything. The details matter. Well done!!
Thanks!
That was stressful watching the presence be ignored. Glad you went back to it. Happy Holidays!
Great episode. Love my AC15 on the normal channel. It's got more headroom than I thought - more than my Bassbreaker15, which compresses much earlier.
The way the Vox takes delay really works for me. After watching this episode, I think it'll work even better.
Well besides being a super helpful episode in general, this really clarified something that's gotten me turned around in the past while researching amps - the phrases "takes pedals well" and "pedal platform," I'm realizing, for some guitarists, refer very specifically to how the preamp interacts with dirt pedals. I've seen people recommend fairly gainy amps under such banners and it confused me, since to my mind the phrases meant what you're calling here a "clean pedal platform," referring to every pedal under the sun. Curious little bit of semantic narrow-mindedness on my part, I think. Thanks as always for all the great work, leg-ends!
Mick, I LOVED the sound of the Victory amp. It was a very beautiful crunch to me. I would add a more gain for a solo. I love the way that an amp compresses and sustains when. I do that. I think that kind of tone is definitely not where you where you live, musically. That being said .I think that both you and Dan are wonderful players and even though I am a very experienced, long time player, I always enjoy your content and learn new things from it all the time. Happy New Years!
That's so funny, I was just watching all the Matt Schofield episodes yesterday 😆 Good to see his wisdom put to good use
Godddd tht intro was amazing!! It gave me goosebumps, I had to rewind it back like 3 times it was just absolutely beautiful!!
Wow, thanks!
It's also worth noting that certain amps are set to different frequency levels, as in the frequency spectrum (bass, mid, treble). It is touched upon in this video with the Fender Hot Rod and Vox AC15 but there are amps, such as my Fender Blues Junior that are heavily midrange amps, so a little on the mid control of that amp goes a long way and what one would think is a scooped sound isn't. Knowing this really helped me open up the amp to where it no longer sounds boxy. My Blues Junior is the Humboldt Hot Rod with the hemp speaker, so there's variables to work around. The point is to learn your amp(s) in order to dial in the best sound and then any pedals added will be icing on the cake.
Love this show so much I've said it before and I'll say it again the way they run the show feels like you're there hanging out in the room and playing guitar and experimenting and all of the great stuff they do, plus Dan and Mick are such a cool guys and great guitar players and them sharing their experience with us it's something just priceless!
Cheers mate 🤓🙏
Hey Mick n Dan…”All you need is FUZZ is all you need” !! No, really,..thank you for such an excellent show. Learned so much. More than an overview, really, from my perspective…basics info that I really needed…er…need. Thanks again. F
Thanks for this episode, all the recent episodes have been awesome. This really helped me dial in my different amps to work with my pedals and cab (bass speaker fitted), finding the point of most change sees my bass EQ knob near 2 or 3!
awesome!
One thing I love about the Orange Rocker series is that the clean channel has no eq. It is what it is so you only have to worry about gain level. The other great thing is that an eq pedal on the board ( or in the effects loop) gives you so much more control compared to amp eq especially if it’s programmable. And Mick I know you’ve just bought a new strat, but you and that 335 make a great pair😀
A good demonstration why a 2-channel amp is a good idea if you want to play some clean parts in a band with a lot of gain on the guitars.
That's why even the MESA Boogie JP-2C Petrucci sig is a 3-channel amp.
Either that, or multiple amps for multiple roles.
Finally got my amp to sound how I wanted, thank you! All my eq settings were waaaay too high. Not only does it sound good, it now sounds good with my strat & 335 without any eq changes between them, just gain.
I agree with Dan 100% about running the delays and reverb in the front of the amp with a mid headroom amp. I am using a 65 Amps Tupelo (Very Tweed Deluxe like) and a 65 Amps Marquee (Very Vox and Selmer like), and I love how the amp’s preamp shapes the color of the effect.
I’m the other way. I prefer the preamp into the wet effects. 👍 I’m a Marshall guy for the most part though so that may be most of the reason.
I’ve had my eye on a 65amps Empire for a minute. Good stuff.
@@Kanthon I have an Empire too, but I don’t use it with my current band as much as the Tupelo or the Marquee.
I’ve got two pretty expensive amps. I normally don’t regret selling gear. One thing I do regret selling is my AC15C1. Such a fantastic amp. They went way up in price recently too. If you need a nice home amp that can do a little of everything stay as far away from the HRD as possible and go my a Vox. Plus the tremolo is awesome.
Agreed on the quality of the Vox. I had one, sold it, and recently bought another for an awesome bargain on the used market . It's now my favorite low wattage combo.
Plenty of headroom for most small-medium size gigs (bars/clubs/pubs) unless you really need super clean tone. But even there I think it's totally doable if you're mic'd up.
My favorite thing to do with the tremolo is run another amp, go wet/dry with the Vox taking the delays and I leave the tremolo always-on at a very subtle, low level. It's got a better reverb than my Fender Blues Junior iii (Tweed) , and something about how the Vox takes delays really works for me.
Im realy pleased to see GFI Skylar on your board. Tremendous pedal, that kinda is overlooked this year. Now to enjoy rest of the video.
Absolutely brilliant. AC15 bit especially. Love this channel.
Modulating Reverbs and delays is a beautiful effect! It makes something like the Memory Toy a mind blowing effect for all it's limits!
Yeah. My vc35 with a 112 open back cab lives at about 11:00 for the gain with moderate volume. It’s dynamic there but still some meat for a boost or light drive to grab onto. Very sweet amp.
Hooray - one of the most “for me” episodes yet 😃 Thanks for this instructive education / information! 👍
Really useful vid - just went back for another look! I never used a delay in front before, but now use two in front - one always on with the mix low (doesn’t swamp out with gain on), the other with the mix higher (for cleaner passages).
Cool! It’s such a great sound!
I am certain that Dan and Mick have been good buds throughout eternity. They have forgotten more about guitar stuff than most people remember.
Well, I use a two-channel amp (dsl40 combo).
The clean channel as cleanly as possible with a slightly increased bass and treble portion. The high gain channel with a decent crunsh. Plus a booster .... That's enough for me.
Great video as always!
Thank you😀
Amazingly helpful video. I've been struggling a bit to get used to my new falcon grande, but after watching this (particularly the part about EQing the amps at the point of most change), it's like both my eyes and the amp have totally opened up.
Awesome! Nice one Bennett!
Stop apologizing for shaky cam or anything else for that matter. We don’t need Spielburg. Amp cam was great, much appreciated and this episode was terrific!! You guys rock.
What's the BFD all you guys do is twist knobs anyone can do that! Joking you guys are freaking awesome! Thank you so much for all of this amazing information, I've been playing for decades and still learn something cool every time I watch one of your videos. This one in particular I would almost make mandatory for beginning players, keep up the amazing work!
Ha! Thanks Eddie!
What gorgeous playing during the intro. Very enjoyable.
I've recently converted from non-master volume amps (like a Champ or a Marshall Class 5) to a Mesa Boogie Mk5 25. I spent a load of time twiddling knobs without much success. Then I plugged the guitar into the effects return and used the Presence control and Master Volume to tune the power amp until the power amp was sounding good. Then I went back into the front of the amp, knowing that my power amp was a good foundation, and treated the front end of the amp like it was a pedal (or two) ... and they all lived happily ever after.
Amazing idea!! Trying this tonight
That's an interesting idea, but wouldn't the output from the power amp be very weak without the preamp section? I always thought the preamp was there to boost the guitar signal up to a useable level.
@@eljoel89 Works fine for me.
What a channel and video! Long time drummer that is getting serious about playing the guitar. I really needed to watch this prior to a major amp purchase. I bought a G&L ASAT Special (USA) and have been using a beaten down, multi repaired, hand me down Marshall VS265. I would love to see some mfd pickup guitars on some of your videos. To me they're so special and just sound so different to other pickups. SUBSCRIBED!
Thanks Derek, and welcome! 🤗
Just love you guys! Merry Christmas to you, your families and the team at TPS!!!
Hey gents did you know that in the normal channel of the AC15 you can use the top boost EQ if the top boost volume is on full or up a good way! It may make subtle changes but it does work!
That’s great info! Must try that as I always use the normal channel but the lack of Eq isn’t ideal
I don’t think that works with the newer ones. I had an AC15 4 years ago and it worked, sold it and now I’ve been regretting it. Tried a few at local shops and noticed they didn’t do it. 🤷♂️
Maybe an anomaly, I dunno.
I use a HRD and I have my Mjolnor always on as my “preamp”--good to see you guys do that. It’s been a trick I’ve used for ages. Love YOUUUUU!!!
Niiiiice!
@@ThatPedalShow also I picked up an old Laney VC30….killer, killer amp. We gotta get a Laney on the channel, I feel like they’re well respected yet under represented. Thoughts?
Welp, this couldn’t be better, first gig ever on Sunday, so I’ve been really enjoying the “real use” and “band context” videos.
plus, today is my birthday!, don’t know if I’m going to be standing there, or become a dancing queen, either way I’m 17!
Happy birthday!!
Happy Birthday!
Happy Birthday!
I desperately needed this episode. Just got an Orange Thunderverb 50, and while it’s probably my favorite piece of gear I’ve ever owned I’m a bit over my head.
Thanks guy and YT for content like that, so instructive and precious.
Edge of breakup w/an AC-15 and Tele is my go-to set up. I typically use the normal channel--the sound is a little more "open" and provides a bit more headroom when using high gain pedals.
The overdrive channel of the HRD is way better than people give it credit for IMO. For classic rock tone use channel 2 on edge of break up and a tube screamer (or similar) it sounds amazing and the rest is up to you, I don't understand why the HRD overdrive channel was completely ignored as if it doesn't exist. The day I worked out that combo (pre TH-cam, things took longer!) was a game changer.
Whilst running the amp clean/cleaner may be a lot more versatile and practical, that Victory Copper with the gain cranked sounded bloody fantastic. It compressed in a completely different way to drive pedals. It might not be a sound for every occasion, but it is definitely a sound!
Yeah man! No arguments here!
I've been setting up Fender style amps for years like you explained. I learned this trick from Steve Kimock. It's a lifesaver when using backline amps. It takes adjusting with your eyes out of the picture.
I have a Fender Twin that I got when I was just a student and this kind of info really does illustrate why it sounds so great with pedals when set up correctly.
I know I'm commenting on an old vid here, but this one really is incredibly useful. Thanks.
A good video is a good video.
Who cares when it's from!???
I used to have an HRD as a clean platform and was using a few pedals with it, I've found that having a low gain overdrive as a "preamp" color (at the end of the gain pedals) helps a lot! I was using a TC tube primer (very "transparent") and it always helped me a lot in reaching the right sound with this amp, without being too harsh or too spiky.
I think i do this same thing with an EP booster. Levels out all different OD options, and provides a bit of “overall” volume adjustment for diff guitars, or dynamic changes during a live set
I use a Strymon Deco for this exact purpose with my HRD. If a fuzz or something is too bright or fizzy the tape saturation replicates the amp overdriving a bit and smoothes it right out.
Having a AC15 and a Epiphone Casino Elitist myself, that sound at 46:26 especially with that strumming G chord was particularly close to home Mick! Great britpop sound!
I don't know if I've heard you say anything you haven't said before, but this video puts it into a different context. This is going to be really helpful to me as my amp is a Twin Reverb, but at church I play through an AC30. I've struggled at times getting the sound I want when I get there and plug in. Excellent job guys, thanks!
I have to say, you guys killing it lately with your new episodes and topics. I enjoyed the band stuff and now this!
For me it's the perfect conclusion after one year of guitar pedal research ( thx Corona )
Thank you Lenny!
This is a subject i was hoping you would go in depth about. Great job!
Love that your take on an “ungodly mess” is for many a quite pleasant low-mid gain tone 🤣
Ha! Yeah, the Benson was pretty cool and the Nobels set with no drive, I agree! It was more when the drives were up, which we kinda only did with the Filaments. Don't get me wrong... You'll hear me play with massive amounts of gain once a few things are stacked... but it's always clear and defined, not mush. Unless the fuzz is on. Erm. :0)
One of the best episodes you've ever done - thank you!
You guys are so amazing always. Those beautiful things you both play are sometimes the most beautiful music I've ever heard. I sure wish you two would release a cd together. The more music the better. Love to you guys!
Wow, thank you!
Thanks for another instructive video. Your recent vids have been so packed with info that I think they need to be watched more than once. Thanks again and take care.
My set up into a Runt 50: Wireless > Wah > switcher > MXR Compressor > TC Spark > Amp
FX loop send > Volume Pedal > Loop switcher > Reverb> TC Ditto > return
Loop
1. Mud honey
2. Fuzz
3. Purrer
4. N5/DS/SL Drive
Loop 2
1. Pitch
2. Chorus/Flanger
3. Phaser/Tremolo
4. Delay
Great episode. Will be rewatching to glean as much info as possible!
If I ever need to wear glasses, I want what Mick wears. They can do so much. I bet they also make everything look vintage
Yes! I asked this question a couple of years ago. Nice to see the response ;-)
One of my favorite episodes. Really well done.
Notes to self:
Check 20:40 when setting up Fender amp next practice.
Check 35:30 if using Vox next practice.
Get amp to most expressive, and EQ clean sound (even if its quite loud). Lower guitar volume knob if clean is required.
Set up OCD to act as a dirty channel.
Set up BE-OD:
Regular channel deluxe with good heavy tone edge of break up.
Lead channel nice and Heavy
EQ TIPS:
Stop turning EQ knob at the point of "most noticeable change" (re-watch video part to double check)
I’m either on the normal channel and using fuzz or I’m on the top boost channel using nothing but the sheer perfection of the Vox ac15.
I might get an orange when I get rich someday but my Vox will always be the best. Not just “good enough” it’s the best amplifier hands down.
Watching in "March of next year"! Fantastic episode!!!
Super happy now that I got an AC-15. I knew it was a great amp but now i can use this video as a good starting point for my guitar playing. Tele into an AC-15 is my ideal guitar tone!
You guys did an excellent job on this one. In depth at the same time an overall perspective. Very helpful and useful!
Thanks for covering this in a video.
It might just be my imagination, but I think I feel most "connected" to a valve amp when the signal chain remains 100% analog between the guitar and the amp's front end input. To accomplish this, I've been setting the amp with just a little dynamic crunch on the clean channel, and anything digital goes in the effects loop (usually just reverbs and delays in my case).
This method seems to be slightly less affected by the varying qualities of DSPs and AD/DA converters on the market.
I’m with you George. Dan is too!
And some digital delays and reverbs, even modulation pedals have analog passthrough, ie only the added sound is digital but the original signal remains unchanged.
This a classic TPS show , well done guys
Hooray! Thank you!
I find on fenders , the sweet spot on the treble is usually around 3-4 , bass around 2-3 , mids wherever you’re taste is if they have a mid control
I always set my amp to a really nice clean tone for the guitar I have plugged into it. If using an amp with a second channel for gain, I set it to sound great with just the guitar. Then I simply add pedals via the front and/or effects loop. I prefer running all overdrive and fuzz pedals through my clean channel. This method has always worked great for me.
Merry Christmas Mick and Dan!!! 🎸 🎸
Ok- now I'd love to see these amps put to the test back and forth in a band context!
Thanks gents, would love to see the hour long episode on each of the styles of amp 😊 Also what about setting pedals for dual channel amps?
I just found your channel. Maybe a non musician or teenage musician would disapprove of your channel. I am neither. I don't live around musical people so you are the best thing since white bread. Enjoying this episode
Welcome! 🤗 🙏
Matching the high end of my pedals with the amp's is the best tipp I ever got!
Every TPS episode:
"Welcome to That Pedal Show. Dan here. Mick here, hello."
*Explanation of episode topic and necessary exposition*
*Amazing guitar tones*
*Succinct and applicable summary*
Takeaway: I need an ODR1.
Ha! Thank you! That could have been so much worse Ben. :0)
@@ThatPedalShow That's what she said.
And a genuine thank you, fellas. My guitar chops have grown incalculably in the past three years, and a good percentage of that is directly attributable to you.
Boy.m loved that AC 15 sound.. great show.. inspirational ✨
I love your whole high head room vs gainy amp thing. I've been messing with this stuff for years, and one day I love the fender, and another I'm all about my vox. One thing I love about the vox is that the gain sounds are very consistent because any pedal sort of "melds" with the amp- so no matter if you use a fuzz, od, distortion, or simple boost, your tone always sounds like you. With a clean amp like a fender, every pedal can really alter the personality- often radically- of the sound. Neither approach is better, but I do love my vox for the way it sort of homogenizes pedals and keeps my sonic "personality" consistent- if that makes sense.
Yeah, totally all this! This is what we want Jonathan, not people saying this is ‘better’ or ‘worse’ but people understanding what to do for a different result. Happy days!
@That Pedal Show This is a very good description of the sonic outcomes (results) of the two approaches and why you might go with one vs the other. Nicely done @Jonathan York. Is this worth a callout on the vcq maybe?