6 years on and people are still benefitting from your JSD vid. You really sounded very cool under some pretty testing conditions. Thank you Shane, this will certainly help me preparing my boat for my trip to Falklands.
I know that this vidieo Is at least a year old. But I still hope that you monitor is once in a while. I really appreciate you doing this video as you had enough on your hands and to add video. Good on ya mate! There is precious little real world video out on this topic of sea anchors and drogues. I carry a Para Tech sea anchor. But I don’t sail the southern seas ha ha. In tens of thousands of miles of cruising I haven’t really needed it yet for storms. Again thanks and I hope you continue to have safe voyaging.
Thanks Fred...yes, one hopes that you never need to deploy one of these:) On a solo transoceanic passage I would definitely carry one again. If there were crew on board, then the steering in dangerous large following seas can be shared...but short handed/single handed is a different situation. The concentration required is considerable - even with a slow boat like the the TW35, with just a storm jib sheeted hard to centre, going down the face of 6-8 metre breaking waves. Until I deployed the drogue, I was regularly seeing 12 - 15 knots of boat speed which is way beyond the poor boats rated hull speed, and felt very much on the verge of being out-of-control :) exhiliratingly unnnerving!! The drougue pretty much halved boat speed, kept its stern into the sea state, and allowed me to go below with a reasonable sense of boat safety....
Loved this, very instructive. I was surprised to see the wheel spinning back and forth rather than lashed straight. Must increase wear and tear and the potential for rudder failure? Thanks again!
Great video and commentary...thanks. Yes, the problem with running with it is if it picks up to where you really do need to just stop and need to turn into it. Even 4 -5 metre seas can make that an exhilarating exercise eh?
If you had to choose between the para anchor and the drogue in even tougher Conditions, which would you pick? I’ve seen people like skip Novak say heave to is all you need, others say stern deployments can lead to the cockpit getting swamped and leading to a roll, while others say the para anchor (and heave to) can lead to the boat being in an abeam orientation relative to the wave leading to capsizing. Thanks for this great video.
I noticed that the wheel is left free. I assumed it should be locked amidships when the vane is detached. Am I missing something? Thanks for this video deployed in anger, very rare and appreciated. I was nervous on the deployment... one shot
@@shanefreeman3183 Thanks for your reply. I know the noises you mean that work on your mind. I had 2 chain plates begin to fail and it was when I was in my bunk that i felt that there seemed to be a whipping motion in the mast. It was hardly perceptible but I knew the boat. It was not a noise but a feeling you get as you are so in tune with the normal motions and noises on a boat that you notice a change however slight. I have never run before strong wind but have hove to 3 times including once with a sea anchor all of them in the Tasman. I watched your video which was excellent by the way on running before heavy winds and seas to learn about it. Thanks for passing on your knowledge and experience. I was shocked as i watched through to learn you had lost your boat after all the hard work. I hope all is well with you. Dulls was a nick name I had in the Army. I hope they were being ironic.
For those that use a drouge. You must have a retrieval line attached to the weight. By pulling this line in you close the little chutes. This makes it very easier to bring the drouge back on board. When it back soak it in fresh water and allow to dry
Read the USCG report on the JSD. NEVER put a retrieval line on the end of the drogue - it will foul and can damage cones. The JSD can be retrieved with a winch.
Hi Shane, I just read your story on GGR. I am really happy you are fine. I assume the incident happened a week or two after you filmed this? I hope you get back on your plans to attend the race. Best of luck!
Thanks for the thoughts!! I won't be refitting another boat for the race but will take on a support role for the race. Hard decision given the amount of effort put into Mushka:)
Very few people can even imagine what it would mean to go through what you experienced. Not just the rescue part but also leaving Mushka behind after years of preparation. I am sure it wasn't easy arriving at such a decision. Best of luck with whatever you do next.
Shane: Very interesting vlog. There are not many videoes of the series drogue being deployed in heavy conditions that I can find. Thanks for posting them. I have several questions for you. With your drogue deployed for 96 hours, did you fine any deterioration of the parachutes on the near end. I had read of another deployment where the initial chutes got pretty beat up, I suppose because the first chutes to deploy as the boat speeds up, take a lot of weight, until the rest of the chutes fill. And can you speak a bit more about the recovery? Could you slow the boat down for that? What was the wind speed? Were you able to hand over hand, or did you have to grind in the drogue on a winch? Did that cause any problems or hangups. Would you have been able to lead the drogue to the bow and use the engine to drive up on the drogue for assistance, or is that totally unrealistic? Thanks for taking the time to answer. I am sorry you had to abandon, certainly glad you are safe. I hope you are able to recover and keep sailing.
vfsurgpa ...thanks for your comments and questions. With regard to deterioration of the chutes on the drogue...this was an issue. When I managed to retrieve the drogue 48 hours later about 80% of the chutes' nylon(ribbon) attachments at the mouth of each cone had detached. This wasn't obvious to me at the time when the drouge was out there - in other words the driouge was still performing in what had become moderated conditions of 35 to 40 kn on a falling swell(3-4 m from 6-8 m). I went back to the manufacturer and gave some feedback on the integrity of the attachments for the cones!! He expressed surprise but frankly so few people have used drogues like this, that I think it's rare for manufacturers of equipment like this,to get feedback. In terms of retrieval - anyone who says that a series drogue can be winched in, hasn't attempted to do this. I tried several approaches using the winch and the cones really just become tangled. It took me about an hour of hand overhand retrieval... I had to stop literally every minute or so and cleat off the length that I had retrieved, rest and then retrieve about another 10 m, then rest etc. It's very hard work and I understand why there are experiences where skippers have just cut their drouges off. It's not practical in a confused sea state with even moderate swell to bring the boat around into the weather and swell and to try and retrieve the drouge on the anchor winch at a bow that will be pitching considerably. A technique I used to help in the retrieval was to turn the boat so that the wind was on the stern quarter - about 45 degrees to apparent wind. The drogue pretty much still remains heading back towards wind and wave but the boat is slowed even further resulting in lengths of slack occurring periodically in the drogue....that is the time to do more hand over hand retrieval!! I retrieved the drogue in 25-30 knots of wind in 3-4 m seas. Not ideal conditions for drogue retrieval, but forecasts for the following 3 days was for 35-45 knots, and I had to get going again, so those 25-30 knot conditions were about as good as they were going to get for drouge retrieval for at least 3 days :)
I wonder if the first 15 or 20 cones should be reinforced as standard practice, and also consider carrying a number of extra cones made up to replace these first 15 or 20 when they get worn.
Great Video!!! Would it be an idea to have a separate line till the end of the droque, connected to the first chain of the piece of anchor chain which makes it easier to haul in the droque backwards?
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6 years on and people are still benefitting from your JSD vid. You really sounded very cool under some pretty testing conditions. Thank you Shane, this will certainly help me preparing my boat for my trip to Falklands.
Great video showing drogue deployment and use.
You are a good sailor. A very good sailor.
I know that this vidieo Is at least a year old. But I still hope that you monitor is once in a while. I really appreciate you doing this video as you had enough on your hands and to add video. Good on ya mate! There is precious little real world video out on this topic of sea anchors and drogues. I carry a Para Tech sea anchor. But I don’t sail the southern seas ha ha. In tens of thousands of miles of cruising I haven’t really needed it yet for storms. Again thanks and I hope you continue to have safe voyaging.
Thanks Fred...yes, one hopes that you never need to deploy one of these:) On a solo transoceanic passage I would definitely carry one again. If there were crew on board, then the steering in dangerous large following seas can be shared...but short handed/single handed is a different situation. The concentration required is considerable - even with a slow boat like the the TW35, with just a storm jib sheeted hard to centre, going down the face of 6-8 metre breaking waves. Until I deployed the drogue, I was regularly seeing 12 - 15 knots of boat speed which is way beyond the poor boats rated hull speed, and felt very much on the verge of being out-of-control :) exhiliratingly unnnerving!! The drougue pretty much halved boat speed, kept its stern into the sea state, and allowed me to go below with a reasonable sense of boat safety....
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Very interesting video.
I had assumed the JSD was designed to slow the boat right down to 1 or 2 it's.
Loved this, very instructive. I was surprised to see the wheel spinning back and forth rather than lashed straight. Must increase wear and tear and the potential for rudder failure? Thanks again!
Hello captain, beautiful video please keep it coming !!
Thank you so much ch for the information really needed!
Great video and commentary...thanks. Yes, the problem with running with it is if it picks up to where you really do need to just stop and need to turn into it. Even 4 -5 metre seas can make that an exhilarating exercise eh?
If you had to choose between the para anchor and the drogue in even tougher Conditions, which would you pick? I’ve seen people like skip Novak say heave to is all you need, others say stern deployments can lead to the cockpit getting swamped and leading to a roll, while others say the para anchor (and heave to) can lead to the boat being in an abeam orientation relative to the wave leading to capsizing. Thanks for this great video.
Thanks that was very informative about drogues.
Interesting. How do you get it back on board?
why did he not bring the vane up and lash directly?
I noticed that the wheel is left free. I assumed it should be locked amidships when the vane is detached. Am I missing something? Thanks for this video deployed in anger, very rare and appreciated. I was nervous on the deployment... one shot
thank you so much
Who makes the wind vane?
amazing video Thankyou
Cap'n Fatty Goodlander recommends towing a boat fender or two to slow the boat. I have used this technique and it works well.
Thank you for great videos. What are your thoughts on using the “ordinary” autopilot now when the wind pilot is out?
I note your wheel seems to be moving around. Have you just let it free and it follows the flow and if so you reason? Thanks.
@@shanefreeman3183 Thanks for your reply. I know the noises you mean that work on your mind. I had 2 chain plates begin to fail and it was when I was in my bunk that i felt that there seemed to be a whipping motion in the mast. It was hardly perceptible but I knew the boat. It was not a noise but a feeling you get as you are so in tune with the normal motions and noises on a boat that you notice a change however slight.
I have never run before strong wind but have hove to 3 times including once with a sea anchor all of them in the Tasman. I watched your video which was excellent by the way on running before heavy winds and seas to learn about it. Thanks for passing on your knowledge and experience. I was shocked as i watched through to learn you had lost your boat after all the hard work. I hope all is well with you. Dulls was a nick name I had in the Army. I hope they were being ironic.
Well I guess it did the job.
For those that use a drouge. You must have a retrieval line attached to the weight. By pulling this line in you close the little chutes. This makes it very easier to bring the drouge back on board.
When it back soak it in fresh water and allow to dry
Read the USCG report on the JSD. NEVER put a retrieval line on the end of the drogue - it will foul and can damage cones. The JSD can be retrieved with a winch.
Hi Shane, I just read your story on GGR. I am really happy you are fine. I assume the incident happened a week or two after you filmed this? I hope you get back on your plans to attend the race. Best of luck!
Thanks for the thoughts!! I won't be refitting another boat for the race but will take on a support role for the race. Hard decision given the amount of effort put into Mushka:)
Very few people can even imagine what it would mean to go through what you experienced. Not just the rescue part but also leaving Mushka behind after years of preparation. I am sure it wasn't easy arriving at such a decision. Best of luck with whatever you do next.
Good on you
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Shane: Very interesting vlog. There are not many videoes of the series drogue being deployed in heavy conditions that I can find. Thanks for posting them.
I have several questions for you.
With your drogue deployed for 96 hours, did you fine any deterioration of the parachutes on the near end. I had read of another deployment where the initial chutes got pretty beat up, I suppose because the first chutes to deploy as the boat speeds up, take a lot of weight, until the rest of the chutes fill.
And can you speak a bit more about the recovery? Could you slow the boat down for that? What was the wind speed? Were you able to hand over hand, or did you have to grind in the drogue on a winch? Did that cause any problems or hangups.
Would you have been able to lead the drogue to the bow and use the engine to drive up on the drogue for assistance, or is that totally unrealistic?
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
I am sorry you had to abandon, certainly glad you are safe. I hope you are able to recover and keep sailing.
vfsurgpa ...thanks for your comments and questions. With regard to deterioration of the chutes on the drogue...this was an issue. When I managed to retrieve the drogue 48 hours later about 80% of the chutes' nylon(ribbon) attachments at the mouth of each cone had detached. This wasn't obvious to me at the time when the drouge was out there - in other words the driouge was still performing in what had become moderated conditions of 35 to 40 kn on a falling swell(3-4 m from 6-8 m). I went back to the manufacturer and gave some feedback on the integrity of the attachments for the cones!! He expressed surprise but frankly so few people have used drogues like this, that I think it's rare for manufacturers of equipment like this,to get feedback.
In terms of retrieval - anyone who says that a series drogue can be winched in, hasn't attempted to do this. I tried several approaches using the winch and the cones really just become tangled. It took me about an hour of hand overhand retrieval... I had to stop literally every minute or so and cleat off the length that I had retrieved, rest and then retrieve about another 10 m, then rest etc. It's very hard work and I understand why there are experiences where skippers have just cut their drouges off. It's not practical in a confused sea state with even moderate swell to bring the boat around into the weather and swell and to try and retrieve the drouge on the anchor winch at a bow that will be pitching considerably. A technique I used to help in the retrieval was to turn the boat so that the wind was on the stern quarter - about 45 degrees to apparent wind. The drogue pretty much still remains heading back towards wind and wave but the boat is slowed even further resulting in lengths of slack occurring periodically in the drogue....that is the time to do more hand over hand retrieval!! I retrieved the drogue in 25-30 knots of wind in 3-4 m seas. Not ideal conditions for drogue retrieval, but forecasts for the following 3 days was for 35-45 knots, and I had to get going again, so those 25-30 knot conditions were about as good as they were going to get for drouge retrieval for at least 3 days :)
I wonder if the first 15 or 20 cones should be reinforced as standard practice, and also consider carrying a number of extra cones made up to replace these first 15 or 20 when they get worn.
Great Video!!!
Would it be an idea to have a separate line till the end of the droque, connected to the first chain of the piece of anchor chain which makes it easier to haul in the droque backwards?
@@stevennieman9837 I hadn't tried putting a trip line on the end, but I sense it would just beocome tangled in the drogue itself. Another problem!!