I hear a lot of popular songs labeled "(Radio Edit)" that have a lot of this listed mistakes, along with rhythm issues, breaking BPM tap for DJ players!
Nice summary! The only thing I wouldn´t wanna have in my toolbox is LUFS normalization for vocals recorded in wet sounding rooms like the one in the example it creates an unnatural balance between the vocal and the early reflections.
A good fix for this would be to reduce the audible reflections. A dope and free solution would be to use the Tone boosters EQ pro and reduce the ambience using a shelf over the entire signal in ambience mode. It sounds even better when used in tandem with the Background algorithm. Great perspective skills by the way
@ I'd say proper acoustic treatment is the way to go, yeah. That or processing with AI plugins like Waves Clarity Vx DeReverb / Accentize DX Revive or suites like Sonible Prime Vocal / iZotope RX before editing to clean up reflection content.
As a perfectionist, I spend a lot of time doing this (OK, OVERdoing it, but hey I enjoy it). I always make the regions join at zero at the cut, which sometimes means dragging one of the regions a little bit, but the change is negligible. Always keep crossfades as narrow as possible because it's just to avoid possible clicks.
ive been following this channel for a while and i like the content but i see two things i feel the need to comment on 1) at 2:37 (when you want to cut a track into silence or vice versa) why would i feel the need of centering the cut on a 0 degree point if im fading the sound in and its going to be coming from silence into sound, so it would be at 0 degree anyway? 2) at 7:26 i can hear an unnatural gain boost at the second clip when compared to the previous. this is because the method of gain boosting specific clips doesnt account for perceived loudness, which is something you cant do without using your ears (or some plugins allow you to see it but i find using ears to be more useful). this is where i feel like the before is much better than the after.
Any tips with comping in Logic? I often find that when comping, (especially in guitar tracks), it's so hard to find the moment to comp between two takes that doesn't have a cut, but the problem is, you can't put a fade while comping.
Definitely! Compressors are a great tool for getting the dynamic range of your vocal dialed in to where you want, but there's still lots of things that compression doesn't effect that can need an edit in a vocal. In fact, compression can sometimes emphasize things that need to be edited in a vocal, since it can often bring up the noise-floor of the recording, i.e. breaths, shuffling, sniffling, mouth sounds/lip smacking, etc.
It might help to listen on good mixing-oriented headphones or monitors for this one, there's a pretty noticeable dip in volume during the crossfade, but it can definitely be a little tricky to hear if you don't have the most ideal critical listening environment!
A bit of feedback for Sage videos: try to exaggerate your demonstrations so we can hear the difference clearly. Most people are probably listening to these on their phones/laptops and not industry standard speakers. I’m on the toilet seat rn 😂
I think he already does that. At 7:24 he made an exaggerate gain editing, for example. That was absolutely not a mixing-grade editing. And is better to listen to sound engineering videos using a good pair of headphones or speakers. For example, now I used my Sennheiser HD 202 II headphone to listen to this video.
@GustavoM.D. Not everyone that watches these is a sound/mix engineer. You can always exaggerate it for a couple of seconds and then tone it back down for a more realistic picture.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Gustavo does bring up a good point about having reliable monitoring, we do tend to gear these videos towards audio engineers; however, we will definitely look into perhaps trying to also add a more exaggerated example in the future so that the differences are a bit noticeable for those without a proper critical-listening setup!
@@baytheproducer What would be the point of dumbing these videos down for people that aren't interested in learning about Audio Engineering? That's what the channel is about. Why are you watching it on a phone instead of in a mixing position where you can actually hear what is being demonstrated? Seems a bit pointless to dumb things down for people like you that aren't really interested in learning anyway, it's fine how it is. If you can't hear it that's on you, not Sage Audio.
This is all well and good, but at the end of the day, this isn't a visual art. If you don't hear the cut, chances are the listener won't either. Like, yeah, obsess over it with headphones, obviously. If you're using monitors, you're doing something wrong. But if you don't hear it, and it sounds natural, then it is natural. this comes from a person who has never looked at a waveform or frequency display in their life.
Back in the day I worked this out myself through trial and error 😅Your explanation is much clearer
Haha glad to read we've helped clarify!
Back in the day I was taught how to do this with a diagonal cut from a razorblade and some splicing tape! 😁
Thank you for the normalized tip I once was reluctant to using normalization
I hear a lot of popular songs labeled "(Radio Edit)" that have a lot of this listed mistakes, along with rhythm issues, breaking BPM tap for DJ players!
Nice summary! The only thing I wouldn´t wanna have in my toolbox is LUFS normalization for vocals recorded in wet sounding rooms like the one in the example it creates an unnatural balance between the vocal and the early reflections.
Well spotted. Still, it's a great technique for properly recorded vocals.
A good fix for this would be to reduce the audible reflections. A dope and free solution would be to use the Tone boosters EQ pro and reduce the ambience using a shelf over the entire signal in ambience mode. It sounds even better when used in tandem with the Background algorithm. Great perspective skills by the way
@ I'd say proper acoustic treatment is the way to go, yeah. That or processing with AI plugins like Waves Clarity Vx DeReverb / Accentize DX Revive or suites like Sonible Prime Vocal / iZotope RX before editing to clean up reflection content.
Thanks for watching :)
great tip on editing, good advise and video
In Cubase "Cut à Zero" is the default option, whatever edit you make. You can deactivate if you want (I would never do that though).
As a perfectionist, I spend a lot of time doing this (OK, OVERdoing it, but hey I enjoy it). I always make the regions join at zero at the cut, which sometimes means dragging one of the regions a little bit, but the change is negligible. Always keep crossfades as narrow as possible because it's just to avoid possible clicks.
Good points, thanks for watching!
ive been following this channel for a while and i like the content but i see two things i feel the need to comment on
1) at 2:37 (when you want to cut a track into silence or vice versa) why would i feel the need of centering the cut on a 0 degree point if im fading the sound in and its going to be coming from silence into sound, so it would be at 0 degree anyway?
2) at 7:26 i can hear an unnatural gain boost at the second clip when compared to the previous. this is because the method of gain boosting specific clips doesnt account for perceived loudness, which is something you cant do without using your ears (or some plugins allow you to see it but i find using ears to be more useful). this is where i feel like the before is much better than the after.
Is that Gain Tool on my Logic 10 4 7?
Any tips with comping in Logic? I often find that when comping, (especially in guitar tracks), it's so hard to find the moment to comp between two takes that doesn't have a cut, but the problem is, you can't put a fade while comping.
Comping automatically applies crossfades. You can flatten the comp into a collection of regions and then adjust manually from there
Adjust the Crossfade time, it’s 20 by default I think, 40 works a lot better for me
This is where the MPC / samplers excel. You can dial this zero crossing and crossfade envelope within seconds across multiple tracks
this was great thanks
Do you have to edit the vocal if you using compressor ?
Definitely! Compressors are a great tool for getting the dynamic range of your vocal dialed in to where you want, but there's still lots of things that compression doesn't effect that can need an edit in a vocal. In fact, compression can sometimes emphasize things that need to be edited in a vocal, since it can often bring up the noise-floor of the recording, i.e. breaths, shuffling, sniffling, mouth sounds/lip smacking, etc.
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I should have seen this video years ago 😂
4:59 the "bad fade" is not even noticable, its a seamless transition
It might help to listen on good mixing-oriented headphones or monitors for this one, there's a pretty noticeable dip in volume during the crossfade, but it can definitely be a little tricky to hear if you don't have the most ideal critical listening environment!
Nah, you either need better speakers or better ears! It's not much, but you can hear the difference.
@@sageaudio I'm listening on the beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro
A bit of feedback for Sage videos: try to exaggerate your demonstrations so we can hear the difference clearly. Most people are probably listening to these on their phones/laptops and not industry standard speakers. I’m on the toilet seat rn 😂
I think he already does that. At 7:24 he made an exaggerate gain editing, for example. That was absolutely not a mixing-grade editing. And is better to listen to sound engineering videos using a good pair of headphones or speakers. For example, now I used my Sennheiser HD 202 II headphone to listen to this video.
@GustavoM.D. Not everyone that watches these is a sound/mix engineer. You can always exaggerate it for a couple of seconds and then tone it back down for a more realistic picture.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Gustavo does bring up a good point about having reliable monitoring, we do tend to gear these videos towards audio engineers; however, we will definitely look into perhaps trying to also add a more exaggerated example in the future so that the differences are a bit noticeable for those without a proper critical-listening setup!
@@baytheproducer What would be the point of dumbing these videos down for people that aren't interested in learning about Audio Engineering? That's what the channel is about. Why are you watching it on a phone instead of in a mixing position where you can actually hear what is being demonstrated? Seems a bit pointless to dumb things down for people like you that aren't really interested in learning anyway, it's fine how it is. If you can't hear it that's on you, not Sage Audio.
@ LoL
This is all well and good, but at the end of the day, this isn't a visual art. If you don't hear the cut, chances are the listener won't either. Like, yeah, obsess over it with headphones, obviously. If you're using monitors, you're doing something wrong. But if you don't hear it, and it sounds natural, then it is natural. this comes from a person who has never looked at a waveform or frequency display in their life.