He told me how to Find the Pocket with ANY Band [ft. Tim Pierce]
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- In this video, I have the honor of interviewing Tim Pierce (legendary recording studio musician). We talk about finding the pocket with any band, as well as recording and career advice for the up and coming musician.
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Being around Tim’s age, I almost gasp when he says, politely, “there’s a guy named…“ and then drops a HUGE classic rock name like Jim Keltner or Danny Kortchmar (!) But Tim is so socially aware and so courteous, he knows that much of the TH-cam audience has never heard of these guys. Tells you so much about Tim.
Absolutely!
So true. It's also a mark of humility in the biz. Being from Nashville, I would meet a great guitarist at a store and he'd say ... yeah, I've been playing with a guy named so and so (as if I hadn't heard of said major name artist before).
Never heard of those two guys and I’m 56 …
@@NoCoverChargeTwo of the most famous session players of the 70’s. Maybe that decade passed you by!
Mind you, the drugs were good then so it's understandable!
Tim has to be one of the nicest pros in the world. He shares his knowledge so generously, and so passionately, I love his channel, and I don't even play guitar, unless the guitarist is late 😠
I agree. And I can attest that Tim is equally kind and thoughtful on AND off camera. A genuine person. Such an honor to spend some time with him!
And with a smile on his face.
For a long time in my younger bassist days I was doing well in my playing...oh so I thought. One day I joined a drummer and guitarist who were looking to do an album. In those days around NYC the Jazz and crossover stuff had a very healthy following and the clubs were busy wth great players . This was the Era of the great Kool Jazz fests, clubs like 7th Ave South , Blue Note, Bottom Line, V V etc . We started rehearsing and I just wasnt clicking with the drummer. It was difficult . Songs had alot of odd time sigs and alot of changes albeit very subtle changes. The Drummer who played really well stopped at one point and said to me " Stuie, listen to the bass drum, lock in on my bass drum " . So we started up and after a minute of me just listening I came in and BOOM suddenly a whole new world of space opened up. I played more freely while always coming back in on his bass drum. I was shocked how I never had 'discovered' this before. He was basically showing me how to get in and out of the pocket. Best advice I ever got from a drummer.
As a drummer, I wish this was emphasized more.
Tim is simply the most humble excellent studio guitarist out there, yes the wrecking crew was awesome but, Tim's attitude and ability is untouched, thanks for this video.
Tim’s Masterclass is easily the best teaching course I’ve ever seen.
Tim Pierce and Rick Beato are responsible for introducing a new generation of musicians and listeners on to good music, techniques, history and a respect for the practitioners of music and it’s craft. Great interview Phillip. Much respect.
I'm 50 and have tons of knowledge about music but I still learn with nearly every video of Rick's. lol
Woah!!! So cool to hear Tim mention Louis Cole. Such an underrated musician.
Such great questions, Philip. You really set Tim up to share some great and useful wisdom for all of us. Thank you and keep it up!
Thanks for watching! Most of these questions from viewers like you submitted via Instagram (I picked my favorites). Glad to have you here!
Tim, if music was a country, you sir would be King! Thanks for the advice!!!
This is a wonderful insight on playing with others. Tim is fantastic.
100% agree!
Man, I'd be so stoked to share studio space with Tim. Congrats on landing the awesome session! I salute you sir! And thanks for sharing that experience with us.
Great video
I’ve got a ton of respect for top studio musicians.
I watched this thinking how much I love playing at the club level.
Tim’s the man! Thanks for the great video.
I see Phil and Tim in the same video, it's instant like.
Being in the same room as Tim is an instant like for me. Thanks so much for watching and your support!
Tim Pierce is simply full of perfect advice. Love this interview.
Comment for Tim:
Tim, i enjoyed hearing your answers to his questions, especially when you said, "It's beyond being joyful. You're booked for the time, and you have to produce." (paraphrased)
Tim, i have witnessed your infinite patience when i watched some of your basic guitar videos. I remember thinking, "Wow, was i ever that ____ (fill in the blank: slow, naive, uncoordinated, stupid?) when i was starting out?!"
Tim, you take the time to explain every nuance, every detail. And you always claim to have made every mistake.
So, not only are you extremely patient, but you have such a depth of humility.
I can't imagine you ever being mad, angry, impatient with anyone, or getting your feelings hurt because they didn't like what you played from your heart.
You obviously enjoy the teaching, the serving others.
Either that, or you should've been an actor. You'd have won every award, and probably be a lot richer now.
Take care, and thanks for the generosity of your time!
I stumbled on someone else's video years ago in which Tim Pierce was a guest. He ripped into the solo for Bon Jovi's "Runaway" and humbly said, "Yeah, that was me on the record." I've been following him ever since.
Doesn't surprise me. He's the real deal.
Thanks
And that was before Bon Jovi had a band! I watched Tim’s video on that story too and then went to Bon Jovi’s channel and listened to the song video and watching his bands guitarist play Tim’s solo seemed weird!
Tim Pierce rules. Amazing musician. Even more amazing human.
Agreed!
What a cool dude!
That reference to Lluis Cole really demonstrates his open minded approach to listen to music. Amazing interview man.
Tim Pierce with a Musicman !! At last !!
Love your video channel Tim and learning about your studio work Great stuff. . 👍🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
Tim is the most generous person you could ever meet!
It’s interesting … these notions.. although advice for musicians… really work in life as well… well done, super enjoyable!!! .. great questions!
Thank you for this. What a great mentor.
Tim Pierce, AKA the post master. He delivers!!!
Tim is the best, good interview, Phil.
Hi Philip,
Greetings from Casablanca, Morocco.
Thank you for this channel, love it!
(... And I miss your Madmen haircut)
Greetings from Atlanta! Glad to have you here and thanks for watching!
Philip, thank you for the great interview with Tim. I liked your questions. Thru Tim’s answers and detailed info he gave, it provided me with valuable and useful advice for furthering a successful career in music.
This was a great conversation. Excellent video.
Thanks for watching!
Yoda of guitar Tim is!
Such great advice from a pro who’s such a great guy!
one of the all time greats! nice work Philip
Sweet interview! Thank you!
There will only be ONE Tim! Love this guy💪🏻👏
Agreed!
First time checking you out. I'm a drummer but your injury video was so inspirational. I'll be following you my man. Be blessed and I wish you continued success. I need my bass playing twin brother to see this. He has lost his inspiration. ❤
Thank you for the kind words. Glad to have you here!
Excellent questions, and even better answers!
Thanks Tim great stuff!!!!
This is one great interview... you elicit stuff form Tim that even he might not tell us out loud, because it's not on his mind. I love Tim's playing , and this really give us some insight into his thought process. Funny that he brings up Danny Kootchmar, who is a legendary guitarist in his own right.
What an amazing interview!
Great questions! Always love Tims perspective. The hurt feelings or resentment deal is real though. It was and is the toughest thing for me. But i found thst if I also create or learn some things I really like on the side it makes it easy to just say ok ill use that in my stuff and just go right to whatever they are asking for- hopefully😅
Listening! Probably the most important thing when playing with other musicians.
Thanks for this interview.
great conversation, I agree to a lot!❤
This is like a masterclass in everything one of my guitarists and I have been talking about since he came to the band in December! I’m the drummer, and we’ve got a bassist who’s a bit older than us (we’re both mid 60’s btw?). And it’s just not working, the dude is almost deaf on the low register! So he plays way too loud, is way too busy, rushes the pocket, on and on! The guitarists sent me this vid, nuff said! Thanks!
Tim is a Awesome REAL PERSON.
Phenomenal human being. .
What you see on the outside is a reflection from the inside.
Always teaching and helping others become better..
Thanks Tim 🙏🙏🙏✌️😎💪💯
Very cool. Thanks.
I can relate. I was one of Sydney's (Australia) busier session guitarists back in the 70's-80's-90's. Some of my best tips are 1) Be on time! 2) Be in tune 3) Leave your ego in the hallway 4) Be respectful 5) Have a sense of humor.
The hardest thing is when you play something you really love first-up and the producer says 'Nah, try something else' ... over and over again ... until finally, he says 'What was that thing you played first-up? Let's go with that' ... and you either can't remember it or you can't play it with the same feel as you did. That's why it's always good to record the thing you play first-up and save it.
Tim's attitude is fantastic
Great videos Phil thank you
That question about pocket is really relevant to me. I recently had to leave a band because I couldn’t find the pocket that the drummer was in. He has a very technical style, knows lots of little rudiments and doodats and practices them religiously. The issue is that this results in a moving pocket, it’s never consistent and try as I did, I just couldn’t find a way to fit my playing into it. Everything would be flowing and then he’d throw in one of his signature fills and everything would slow down or speed up accordingly. Used to do my head in.
I tried, man.
All you can do is your best in a situation like that. Thanks for watching!
Sounds like the guy should maybe give rudiments a rest and practise on his sense of time. I’ve seen that too in some drummers, they are so focused on their technique they forget why they’re there in the first place. And it becomes a problem for anyone who tries to play with them, (not just you). Rudiments are obviously of no use if you don’t feel time. In the 80s there was a lot of that among guitarists who wanted to be the new guitar hero - all technique and very little musicality. But music is not about athletics. And Tim’s a perfect example: He can shred if he wants to, but that’s not why he’s been one of the most trusted session guys for 40 years. It’s because he comes up with the perfect guitar parts on the spot and flawlessly plays them with heart and conviction. Listen to Goo Goo Dolls’ ”Iris” - would it even have been a massive hit without Tim’s mandolin and guitar parts? Maybe, maybe not.
@@hackapump
Spot on. I started life as a drummer and got a lot of work because I kept things simple and played in time. Sure, I’d throw in a little flash now and again but it would be measured and within the context of the song.
Your mention of shred guitar styles is relevant too. I recall a guitar festival in Seville years ago. There was Steve Vai with Satch and Brian May (I think) doing some incredible stuff. All really amazing, super technical etc and then Joe Walsh came on with the fattest groove ever. He was playing, I don’t know, three chords maybe but everyone in the audience boogied with him.
I guess the lesson is to play anything you can get away with but if you don’t play it in time… get the hell off the stage!
I had the same issue with a bass player, he was great on bass lines for songs, but when you'd try to jam he'd be following you right up your ass, instead of laying down a groove, so I had to try and anchor things. Luckily the drummer was solid, so it worked for a while... unfortunately the songs we had were not to my taste so was kind of glad when that band ended.
@mikemono7499 I totally agree. As someone who played guitar then bass then drums to fill in where someone else stepped out it's all about team work. If somebody just wants to "show boat" and take over it goes against the groove. Sharing the spotlight is a talent too. It gives others a chance to add some fills then back to the groove.
What a super cool guy! You can tell his playing is the musical form of his personality.
Great interview, Philip. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks! Super insightful! Great video! 🤘🏼
Thanks for watching!
This was just great, Philip!!!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks so much for making this video!!!!! There is so much gold here!!!!
Thanks for watching, and a huge thanks to Tim for sharing his wisdom ⚡️
Great interview!
Great piece of advise. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for asking fantastic and interesting questions. Very insightful answers to those. Tim is super!
Thanks for watching!
Pearls of wisdom here.
Tim Pierce certainly knows how to 'read the room' when it comes to being tactful on a studio session. He also has that understated 'everyman' appearance BUT always 'delivers' ... One of his best qualities is how he articulates verbally (& musically) when he regales with his anecdotes.
He's an alround inspiration as a musician and human being.
He plays 'in the pocket' BUT also keeps his 'ego' in a different 'pocket'. He's an aural painter of quality musical tone.
I love Tim
LOVE THIS MAN! Thanks for the interview.
Thanks for watching!
This is immensely helpful. Thank you all
Thanks for watching! So glad you found this video helpful ⚡️
Great questions. Useful answers.
Thanks for watching!
What a great guy. Such GREAT advice.
Agreed!
great interview!
Well done interview
Thank you 🙏🏻
Great interview. Thanks, guys!
Thanks for watching!
Gorgeous Music Man 💓
Really good questions, with, of course, really great answers!
Thanks for watching!
Wow, a virtually perfect interview with a legend! Kudos!
Thanks for watching!
This is awesome! In an episode of Eastman Saxophone Talk last year, Bob Mintzer highlighted Louis Cole as someone he's got his eye on too! So cool!
Hey Philip! What a great video. Thank you. I've listened to Tim Pierce videos many times, and I think you just drew out the key items from about a hundred other videos all in one. Some i'd heard before, but this was really nicely concise and meaningful with some new things. Thanks again - you've got a new subscriber.
So honored to have you here. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Welcome!
Great interview! Really good advice from a studio master.
Tim is amazing. Thanks for watching!
Even though things are really different these days, the fact that you can get someone like Tim on a screen at your house, sharing advice is beyond incredible.
5:17 that is a picture worthy of a print and a frame!
Wise words from a genuine artist!
Absolutely!
Thanks for using my question about the pocket! I was hoping to see this video!
That was a GREAT question. My favorite and my favorite answer. Thanks for submitting it!
Tim Pierce is absolutely the BEST!
Agreed!
You are so learned Papa Timothy.
I liked his view on advice. Listening to and taking advice can be disaster for yourself and everyone around you. 😎🤓
Yeah, that’s quite true! Thanks for watching ⚡️
great advice!
Awesome video again Phil!❤
Thank you!
Great Video
這影片太棒了👏
Very, very good advice from a real legend ❤, thank you very much for sharing, I have to agree with every single word, especially concerning the trust, in my opinion the very foundation for any collaboration 😀
Agreed! Thanks for watching.
I could listen to Tim for many hours at a time.
Cool man, that was deep.
Thanks for watching!
Oh snap, that new Luke 4 is gorgeous!!! I know Tim is a huge Luke fan, as I am... sic guitar
Great guy
The greatest
To me (an amateur) especially the last parts of this advice were dead on 👍 thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Tim is the master!
Mr. Phillip... That was an AMAYZING 16:13 from you and Mr. Tim. Straight from the man's heart. My favorite Tim Pierce. Thank you, Mr. Philip and Ms. Tilly, of course. :)
Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and comment. Glad to have you here!
I play drums in a free improvisation ensemble, and the most difficult thing is establishing a pocket. EVERYONE leaving space for the music, while also being there to support each other, is the most difficult thing to get people to think about.
Many folks will create sound the entire time, but never step out front to take a lead, nor completely drop out and let the music breathe. They ease in, they ease out long after the rest of the band has started. Super common and they almost never latch onto anything firm. It's not all together bad, but it can get stale.
A few people will take every note they have with all the reverb they have and never stop creating a washy lead over everyone. They will match your first note with 16 notes of their own. They start loud and if anyone tries to take the lead they leap in volume to match them, while jumping on the end of their phrases, and they seem blissfully unaware even when multiple people give them feedback about it.
And then you have the occasional guy that ONLY takes leads, and the rest of the time sits out. Try to duet with them and they stop playing. Try to take a lead, they drop out and now you are soloing when you were hoping for support. Try to gradually drop your volume so that they come back in and they will wait until you stop playing all together, then rest for a full bar, and then come back in.
Of all the guitar players I've watched. Tim is my number one guy. He's so good at many things.
He is amazing
Philip, thanks for filming, edit and posting this. I love me some Tim. Maybe I am mistaken but I thought that I saw Rhett Schull in the studio also. Awesome session!
Thank you! Yes, Rhett was there as well. He has a video on his channel about reverb that we were all a part of recently.
Great!
Wait! Did Tim write my favorite riff of all time, that lives rent free in my subconscious? The soundtrack for my walking around town??? The Home Depot commercial song?
that was great i can relate
One of the biggest changes in music during the early sixties was the self-contained musician. They wrote their own music. Covering others work went by the wayside for the most part. You also didn't have to be the best of the best like Tim defined as the upper 5%. Luckily it seemed people that had a talent for writing also had a talent for musicianship in general. Tim is an unsung hero in my book, he still is the best of the best on many levels.