I don't see this as a problem of "out-of-context." The **promise** is that God will be there for you in the sometimes unpleasant business of confrontation & restoration/exclusion. The **principle** is that God will be there "where two or three are gathered together in my name." It's a guarantee God will be with you in this endeavor. That is backed up in numerous places: 2 Cor 6: 16 “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them” [note the plural] but also the 'I will be with you' 'I will never leave you' 'I will not leave you as orphans' [note also the plural] verses. So because this is a universal principle, we need not fear that referring this passage to general gathering of believers is misusing the text. We do need the context so we can see how Jesus is applying the principle in this case. Some will try and make a reductio ad absurdum joke out of it by asking "but doesn't God make himself known to individuals?" Yes, but - 1) You are never actually alone 2) most of the NT examples of God moving in power seem to be in gatherings of some sort: The Spirit coming down Acts Ch 2 & 4, Paul & Silas [Ch 18] Stephen [Ch 6 note v 8 "among the people"] Philip & the Ethiopian Eunuch [ch 8] Negatively, Annanias & Saphira [ch 5] - these are just a few examples. If anything, Matt 18 seems to be there to *remind* us that the gathering of 2 or more to confront an erring brother or sister "is" an event as solemn and as important as prayer or corporate worship.
I disagree with you brother regarding this scripture. If it meant that it would have said that also I think you are coming from a personal sense perspective meaning your leaning on your own understanding. Its not excluding that god is not with one person but its saying the power of prayer is more answered on intention where two or three gathered.
Thank You for clearing up my thinking. I know God is always with me but this verse has always bothered me. Who knew when I asked in my IPad I would find an answer.
I completely agree with your very very important message in this video. It's a terrible shame, that scripture is manipulated, by so many pastors. Thank you.
Do you mind telling me what doctrine or church you are a member or attendee of? Always like to know a person’s beliefs before I continue or like a page. Thank you.
I've always been involved with Non-Denominational churches since I was a kid, as an adult I've been a full-time pastor in the same kind of church. I hold orthodox beliefs, meaning beliefs that are backed by scripture and have historically been held by early church fathers.
no. if you believe, the context is irrelevant. so without the context the statement is still true - the incentive here is share in the belief together.
Can't imagine the things we have taken out on context. We build a faith system, ministry, and doctrine on our misinterpretation of God and his word. Enjoyed your take on this scripture. Thank you for sharing
I never took this verse as saying God is only with us when 2 or three are gathered. God is always with me, whether I am in a crowd or it’s just me and my dog. God is with me always on earth and one day I will be with him in Heaven. Always! Since you can’t hear me tone, I am saying this with a kind, heartfelt tone. No haters here. I actually don’t know one believer from church from the age of two years old to present day that ever believed the scripture to mean God is only with us when two or three a gathered together. I’m not sure if you personally went to the music leader and asked him what he meant by that statement. It would surprise me to learn that anyone who studies the word of God would think God is only with us when two or three are gathered. I would love to see you do a video asking Bible believing, Bible studying people if they believe that God is always with them or only when two or three are gathered together is God with them? Sometimes we only get the answer to the question we ask, but it is not a complete answer of what we think, feel or believe. It is simply an direct answer to a direct question, wouldn’t you agree? Keep telling others about Jesus. It is the most important task He has given us isn’t it. May God bless you and your ministry.
I need double-check the actual meaning of Math. 18:18 after accepting your explanation regarding Math. 18:20 because this verse is frequently cited while discussing binding or loosening Satan or any unfavourable circumstance. When we take into account the entirety of Matthew 18:15-35, we can see that this specific verse in Mathew 18:18 is discussing unity among brethren and that every circumstance that threatens to sabotage that unity must be bound or loosen in the name of Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts?
Thank you, Jeff. I have been wondering about this verse for a long time. Finally I looked for it on TH-cam and found your channel. Thanks so much for your explanation. I felt it couldn’t be true because I pray alone. I was sure God wasn’t ignoring me! I have subscribed to your channel.
I’m curious why you didn’t speak about verses 18 and 19? They lead up to verse 20 and are important to the context as well. Also verse 19 seems to be a bit separate from Mathew 15-17. It doesn’t mention if you and that same brother it says specifically “if two people” which is why I think the following verse 20 can be taken out of context. It doesn’t necessarily have to mean that God isn’t with you when you are alone because there are plenty other verses that tell us he’s with us regardless but I think the Bible tries to imply that there is strength in numbers spiritually. James 5:16 “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.” I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong to take 18:20 out of context so long as we understand God can also be with us when we are alone and that having a helping believing friend or community is even more helpful. Thoughts ?
The scripture says... "And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican" That doesn't say LOVE THEM Treating someone like a heathen (someone who doesn't worship God), or publican (tax collector), was to place them OUTSIDE the community of FAITH!!. And that's EXACTLY what the church did back in the day, sin was dealt with, period! It wasn't all this grace grace watching so-called Pastors commit adultery, having babies with church members, and first ladies (which is nowhere in the bible), walking in looking like Jezebels!! God loves, but here he clearly shows us that we are to separate ourselves from rebellion and lack of accountability refusing to repent from our sin. They "could" most definitely be forgiven if they ASK God for forgiveness, but they must first ask God and be restored. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Question: doesn't Jesus broaden this in verse 19 with the word "ANYHING" not just the context of community of believers dealing difficult people, he's saying EVEN beyond this internal conflict that you can come together about ANYTHING in His name. See: th-cam.com/video/n2F2DHMY6L8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared&t=495
Vs 19 changes clauses from the specified church discipline matters in the preceeding verses by using the word "Again" I tell you..... Christ tells them to have 2 apostles agree in "Whatever they may ask..." 1. So when a "Question " arises 2. 2 apostles agree TOGETHER to settle the matter. 3. Acts 15:2. We find a "Question " regarding circumcision for gentile Christians. 4. Peter AND James TOGETHER settle the dispute by "Binding and Loosening " 5. Peter "loosed" circumcision. 6. James "binded " gentiles Christians abstain from fornication, blood, idolatry. So Jews could no longer push circumcision on gentile Christians. This fact of Christ specifically commanding 2 apostles to agree together on ALL MATTERS regarding questions destroys the catholic papacy. Because 1 man is not allowed to decide ALL MATTERS, but 2 or more together. That's why Paul in 2 Corinthians 13:1 says " let every fact be established by the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses " Old testament requires 2 or more witnesses to establish "truth" New testament also requires 2 or more to establish truth. So a one man papacy is directly against Christ's specified instructions. Also, multiple elders/bishops, not one man controlling a church, a "pastor" is a bishop/elder, so every church must have 2 or more "pastors" to follow Christ's instructions also, to decide all matters.
I learned of it just now, and I am surprised. But I am glad to learn what its context is. But is there another verse that tells about the power of praying in agreement?
Jeffery my brotha, I was blessed by your Matthew 18:20 Teaching! It was not religious , it was simple, biblical, non-legalist and very "Practical" , I would absolutely love to Connect with you and talk about how to make John 17 "Practical" , Jesus said WE can do it in John 17 ! Jesus Prayed that WE would do it in John 17! My Brother in Christ , it's time for all the Tribes to Connect!!! *smile*you are very inspiring my brother in Christ, I encourage you to keep Ministering for the Glory of God! I can't wait to hear back from you ! I am praying , God will speak to your heart!
It can’t be a church service cause the peoples never went to to church as what is erroneously believed today, when ever there were conflicts which often arises the Lord told those gathered to hear Him how to work it out and He’s there with them, He fulfilled deuteronomy 19:15. God bless
All these years I've been in confusion about myself especially n some people around me of course that used this verse to avoid going to church but now I'm satisfied. Thank you n yes 1thing,in my personal experience there's no need to stress while reading yr Bible but just yr desire to know the word of God is enough. Of course when we desires then we pray to receive wisdom which he definitely grand us.
Church discipline not conflict resolution. There is a big difference in the two and Jesus says "If your brother sins" do this. Your description makes it sound like its just about people who disagree.
Hey but i'm wondering what if it's the leadership that we need to confront? Would it be the same process? Can just a parishioner at that church address the heads of a church?
It's talking about believers that are in unrepentant sin. Treat them how you treat tax collectors and pagans....have nothing to do with them. 1 cor 5. They do not need you to witness to them, they are already christians. He calls them brothers in christ.
I agree with everything you said and I appreciate the clarity. How true it is to read bible passages in context. My question then is would it be unscriptural to begin a prayer based on "Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.” After all the overarching premise the important of unity in the Body of Christ and the power of agreement in prayer that aligns with the Word?
Could you do some on these please. Taken out of context. 1) by his stripes we were healed ( become a mantra among faith healers and charismatic movement) 2) binding and loosing 3) where there is no vision my people perish Thanks and God bless.
Hi brother Thankyou for your obedience and wisdom . I noticed you mentioned it’s important to read the verses before and after to get a full understanding . I received it in Jesus name . There’s a verse that pops up a few times in the Bible and I’ve searched high and low and I still don’t understand the true meaning . If you can help me out a little . “Do not cook a young goat in its mothers milk .” I’ve interpreted in my own way but didn’t feel complete . Any commentary ? I’d love to hear your thoughts .
Hey! This was in my bible study today. I had to hear another person explain this further and your video showed up. Great video here. I’ll check out you channel more as I believe we have the same mission within christian content creation. God bless your ministry!
Does anyone know where I can hear an audio of of this vs spoken in the original language it was written in, or the language Lord Jesus would have have spoken it in?
Hi Jeff! Thanks so much for this video. I am studying Matt 18:15-20 and you helped me in so many ways. God bless you for following Gods will for your life.
I've heard that no matter how many people gather in the church (1, 2, or 3) God will be with them. They usually say that when there is a small number of people.
I would like to hear your take on verse 18 about binding and loosing and how it pertains to the same topic? I didn’t hear you mention that and I was really curious about that part
I am glad you've produced this video. This verse has been misquoted many times in my church & it would strike me as odd or shrug it off. It becomes very clear that it's misquoted once you realize people don't really believe how it's being misquoted since it's also believed God is with us when we are on our own, the complete opposite of the misquote. It's incredible how human understanding leads to these simple blunders
Some one quoted this verse in a FB group and I googled it. People were going back and forth about whether it was "2 or 3" or "2 or more". Your web article came up thankfully. I want to thank you for helping me to help them understand the true meaning of this verse. We all learned something very important today. Because of you. Keep up the good work brother Jeff. You just earned a new sub, and not just because we share the same first name. Which doesn't hurt lol 🙏
How forcible are right words, but what doth your arguing reprove. Message for anyone who is “In Christ”: • Notice that there are those who are commenters and readers, but there are also the demonic • prayerfully look at their channels and what they post to identify their characteristics, Only the Word of God protects us and binds. Psalm 27 is excellent in this regard: Pray: The Lord is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear. The Lord is the strength and refuge of my life, of whom shall I be afraid. When evildoers (the wicked) assail me to eat up my flesh, it is they who stumble and fall.” If you pray 🙏 this prayer toward the demonic trolls, and if it is two or more … the Word will manifest for your protection. (And since it “when 2 of more”, then the more who read and pray in agreement, the better. In Jesus Christ of Nazareth mighty Name we pray, Amen. 🙏
The word of God can many times be safely interpreted in a broader context. But it can also be mis-interpreted that way. In this case it is not. But when Jesus sais "I", he means Jesus, not the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost He introduced as a separate person, that replaces His presence on earth. Also He talked about having a Father in heaven. Three separate persons united in their aims and targets - but separate persons. So we are never alone. But it is as if He were physically present, if more than one persons come together in His name.
I always felt, that the catholic (false) interpretation of trinity is not such a big thing. And if people want to fight, they will always find a reason to - no matter what interpretation of trinity. But in this particular case I feel sorry, that such a smart and good christian comes to a different conclusion than me. Even if I still think, that the practical consequences in real life are minimal - at least as far as I could observe it.
YES!!! Well meaning Christians can so often take a verse out of context and make it mean something it doesn't, this is a bad practice, though often innocent, but still not good, we have to read any verse within it's context.
Taking refuge on this verse, thousands of Protestant pastors starting their own churches by which endless new churches are cropping up for every two and half months through out the world, piling up to fifty thousand individual church.
The full context includes verse 19, "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven." NASB
Way tooooooo much Judgement in this .... the way you say, "we should treat them as Sinners," is judgement in itself. This is the problem with Church and Christianity.... this will NOT get our children to follow Jesus. You have to give advice without giving any judgement if you want to get your point across. I appreciate what you are doing for others by sharing the Christ Consciousness within you for others... but sharing anything that says, "treat them as sinners" is made made preachers teaching you the wrong way on what Jesus was here to teach us... You mean well... but i can promise if you quit the judgement, you'll get a lot more followers and lead 10x more people to Jesus.
How are we supposed to treat sinner? We love them. That's what that means. I'm not interested in judging the world. The Bible makes clear that's God's job. But we are called in this passage and plenty of others to "judge" those inside the church. Although the word judge is massively misunderstood. I got a video on that as well.
wow. great revelation. I don't think anyone truly believes that God is not with them if they are alone. That would delete every concept of who God actually is and His omnipresence. This verse is usually used to encourage small groups that feel small or less valuable because of their low numbers. It is also used to increase our faith when we fail to understand that Jesus is actually present in our gatherings. I don't disagree with this interpretation, but I see it damaging the innocent and simple in their faith and knowledge of Christ. Our intellect can actually become a stumbling stone for those that simply need this verse to continue with their small groups. I don't think I will ever reveal this interpretation to anyone, as it will only create doubt and confusion to the simple faith that is needed as a child to enter heaven.
I agree with how you've seen this verse used. However, that doesn't make it correct. Using Matthew 18:20 to encourage those in small gatherings is the wrong interpretation and encourages taking the Bible out of context. There's other verses that we can use that encourages us that God is present when we are alone or in a small group. But I think we should be cautious about knowingly using a verse out of context. It's explicitly clear what Jesus meant in this passage. We shouldn't lead people to a different conclusion.
@@RethinkwithJefferyPoor I agree with your warning about misinterpreting verses out of context. However, in this particular case it does not do any damage as it does not contradict the Bible. All it does is reaffirm that God is omnipresent. My main concern is with weighing being right about a verse, and taking away the simple faith of many that need it. Sometimes, we are quick to judge the simple faith of some and eventually we are the ones loosing out by bringing the Word to an intellectual level. I am reminded of the verse that talks about asking , seeking and receiving which is normally used for fervent prayer describing our intensity on how we ask from God. However, the context clearly talks about receiving the Holy Spirit. It's is not wrong to use it for prayer as it does not contradict the Word. (Luke 11:9-13 ) same passage in Mathew does not mention Holy Spirit, but good things as a petition.
I don't see this as a problem of "out-of-context." The **promise** is that God will be there for you in the sometimes unpleasant business of confrontation & restoration/exclusion. The **principle** is that God will be there "where two or three are gathered together in my name." It's a guarantee God will be with you in this endeavor. That is backed up in numerous places: 2 Cor 6: 16 “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them” [note the plural] but also the 'I will be with you' 'I will never leave you' 'I will not leave you as orphans' [note also the plural] verses. So because this is a universal principle, we need not fear that referring this passage to general gathering of believers is misusing the text. We do need the context so we can see how Jesus is applying the principle in this case.
Some will try and make a reductio ad absurdum joke out of it by asking "but doesn't God make himself known to individuals?" Yes, but - 1) You are never actually alone 2) most of the NT examples of God moving in power seem to be in gatherings of some sort: The Spirit coming down Acts Ch 2 & 4, Paul & Silas [Ch 18] Stephen [Ch 6 note v 8 "among the people"] Philip & the Ethiopian Eunuch [ch 8] Negatively, Annanias & Saphira [ch 5] - these are just a few examples.
If anything, Matt 18 seems to be there to *remind* us that the gathering of 2 or more to confront an erring brother or sister "is" an event as solemn and as important as prayer or corporate worship.
What about the "whatsoever shall be loosed on earth" verse in the between these verses. Is that important.
I disagree with you brother regarding this scripture. If it meant that it would have said that also I think you are coming from a personal sense perspective meaning your leaning on your own understanding. Its not excluding that god is not with one person but its saying the power of prayer is more answered on intention where two or three gathered.
Thank You for clearing up my thinking. I know God is always with me but this verse has always bothered me. Who knew when I asked in my IPad I would find an answer.
Thanks, now I understand, why the interpretation of trinity is more important, than I was thinking before.
I completely agree with your very very important message in this video. It's a terrible shame, that scripture is manipulated, by so many pastors. Thank you.
It is very important to use scriptures in context. Thanks for sharing this.
It really is!
@@RethinkwithJefferyPoor What if it is the church "leader" that is in error, sin, and/or misleading, and refuses to make corrections?
Do you mind telling me what doctrine or church you are a member or attendee of? Always like to know a person’s beliefs before I continue or like a page. Thank you.
I've always been involved with Non-Denominational churches since I was a kid, as an adult I've been a full-time pastor in the same kind of church. I hold orthodox beliefs, meaning beliefs that are backed by scripture and have historically been held by early church fathers.
i just learned the context of this, and I'm totally guilty for using it in a way that it wasn't meant for....praise the Lord for clarity...
It was always "where two or more are gathered" not "two or three" this means that you can't have four or more not just one!
no. if you believe, the context is irrelevant. so without the context the statement is still true - the incentive here is share in the belief together.
It's not mis quoted....it used to be two or more.....the reason people say two or more is because it indeed say that. The scripture was changed
Can't imagine the things we have taken out on context. We build a faith system, ministry, and doctrine on our misinterpretation of God and his word. Enjoyed your take on this scripture. Thank you for sharing
I never took this verse as saying God is only with us when 2 or three are gathered. God is always with me, whether I am in a crowd or it’s just me and my dog. God is with me always on earth and one day I will be with him in Heaven. Always! Since you can’t hear me tone, I am saying this with a kind, heartfelt tone. No haters here. I actually don’t know one believer from church from the age of two years old to present day that ever believed the scripture to mean God is only with us when two or three a gathered together. I’m not sure if you personally went to the music leader and asked him what he meant by that statement. It would surprise me to learn that anyone who studies the word of God would think God is only with us when two or three are gathered. I would love to see you do a video asking Bible believing, Bible studying people if they believe that God is always with them or only when two or three are gathered together is God with them? Sometimes we only get the answer to the question we ask, but it is not a complete answer of what we think, feel or believe. It is simply an direct answer to a direct question, wouldn’t you agree?
Keep telling others about Jesus. It is the most important task He has given us isn’t it.
May God bless you and your ministry.
I need double-check the actual meaning of Math. 18:18 after accepting your explanation regarding Math. 18:20 because this verse is frequently cited while discussing binding or loosening Satan or any unfavourable circumstance. When we take into account the entirety of Matthew 18:15-35, we can see that this specific verse in Mathew 18:18 is discussing unity among brethren and that every circumstance that threatens to sabotage that unity must be bound or loosen in the name of Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts?
Nice
Thank you, Jeff. I have been wondering about this verse for a long time. Finally I looked for it on TH-cam and found your channel. Thanks so much for your explanation. I felt it couldn’t be true because I pray alone. I was sure God wasn’t ignoring me! I have subscribed to your channel.
I’m curious why you didn’t speak about verses 18 and 19? They lead up to verse 20 and are important to the context as well. Also verse 19 seems to be a bit separate from Mathew 15-17. It doesn’t mention if you and that same brother it says specifically “if two people” which is why I think the following verse 20 can be taken out of context. It doesn’t necessarily have to mean that God isn’t with you when you are alone because there are plenty other verses that tell us he’s with us regardless but I think the Bible tries to imply that there is strength in numbers spiritually. James 5:16 “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.” I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong to take 18:20 out of context so long as we understand God can also be with us when we are alone and that having a helping believing friend or community is even more helpful. Thoughts ?
The scripture says... "And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican" That doesn't say LOVE THEM
Treating someone like a heathen (someone who doesn't worship God), or publican (tax collector), was to place them OUTSIDE the community of FAITH!!. And that's EXACTLY what the church did back in the day, sin was dealt with, period! It wasn't all this grace grace watching so-called Pastors commit adultery, having babies with church members, and first ladies (which is nowhere in the bible), walking in looking like Jezebels!!
God loves, but here he clearly shows us that we are to separate ourselves from rebellion and lack of accountability refusing to repent from our sin. They "could" most definitely be forgiven if they ASK God for forgiveness, but they must first ask God and be restored.
2 Corinthians 6:14-18
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Question: doesn't Jesus broaden this in verse 19 with the word "ANYHING" not just the context of community of believers dealing difficult people, he's saying EVEN beyond this internal conflict that you can come together about ANYTHING in His name.
See: th-cam.com/video/n2F2DHMY6L8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared&t=495
Vs 19 changes clauses from the specified church discipline matters in the preceeding verses by using the word "Again" I tell you.....
Christ tells them to have 2 apostles agree in "Whatever they may ask..."
1. So when a "Question " arises
2. 2 apostles agree TOGETHER to settle the matter.
3. Acts 15:2. We find a "Question " regarding circumcision for gentile Christians.
4. Peter AND James TOGETHER settle the dispute by "Binding and Loosening "
5. Peter "loosed" circumcision.
6. James "binded " gentiles Christians abstain from fornication, blood, idolatry.
So Jews could no longer push circumcision on gentile Christians.
This fact of Christ specifically commanding 2 apostles to agree together on ALL MATTERS regarding questions destroys the catholic papacy. Because 1 man is not allowed to decide ALL MATTERS, but 2 or more together.
That's why Paul in 2 Corinthians 13:1 says " let every fact be established by the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses "
Old testament requires 2 or more witnesses to establish "truth"
New testament also requires 2 or more to establish truth.
So a one man papacy is directly against Christ's specified instructions.
Also, multiple elders/bishops, not one man controlling a church, a "pastor" is a bishop/elder, so every church must have 2 or more "pastors" to follow Christ's instructions also, to decide all matters.
I learned of it just now, and I am surprised. But I am glad to learn what its context is. But is there another verse that tells about the power of praying in agreement?
Jeffery my brotha, I was blessed by your Matthew 18:20 Teaching! It was not religious , it was simple, biblical, non-legalist and very "Practical" , I would absolutely love to Connect with you and talk about how to make John 17 "Practical" , Jesus said WE can do it in John 17 ! Jesus Prayed that WE would do it in John 17! My Brother in Christ , it's time for all the Tribes to Connect!!! *smile*you are very inspiring my brother in Christ, I encourage you to keep Ministering for the Glory of God! I can't wait to hear back from you ! I am praying , God will speak to your heart!
So glad you found the video helpful! Thank you for the encouragement!
It can’t be a church service cause the peoples never went to to church as what is erroneously believed today, when ever there were conflicts which often arises the Lord told those gathered to hear Him how to work it out and He’s there with them, He fulfilled deuteronomy 19:15. God bless
All these years I've been in confusion about myself especially n some people around me of course that used this verse to avoid going to church but now I'm satisfied. Thank you n yes 1thing,in my personal experience there's no need to stress while reading yr Bible but just yr desire to know the word of God is enough. Of course when we desires then we pray to receive wisdom which he definitely grand us.
Curious if you can comment on the verse prior? V 19? This verse is taken out of context many times!
Church discipline not conflict resolution. There is a big difference in the two and Jesus says "If your brother sins" do this. Your description makes it sound like its just about people who disagree.
Hey but i'm wondering what if it's the leadership that we need to confront? Would it be the same process? Can just a parishioner at that church address the heads of a church?
It's talking about believers that are in unrepentant sin. Treat them how you treat tax collectors and pagans....have nothing to do with them. 1 cor 5. They do not need you to witness to them, they are already christians. He calls them brothers in christ.
Thank you sir. I was called a fool for putting it in context too and telling people context is so important.
Excellent breakdown, thank you!
i agree with you, this verse has been explained so wrong.. All glory to God.
Recently I was like but I feel God when I'm alone. So I agree with what you say.
I agree with everything you said and I appreciate the clarity. How true it is to read bible passages in context. My question then is would it be unscriptural to begin a prayer based on "Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.” After all the overarching premise the important of unity in the Body of Christ and the power of agreement in prayer that aligns with the Word?
Church has nothing to do with assembly
So how many verses before and after do you read to understand the context
Get away from them I think similar verse says
Could you do some on these please. Taken out of context.
1) by his stripes we were healed ( become a mantra among faith healers and charismatic movement)
2) binding and loosing
3) where there is no vision my people perish
Thanks and God bless.
Great message 🙏 God bless you abundantly 🙏
Thanks for watching!
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Hi brother Thankyou for your obedience and wisdom . I noticed you mentioned it’s important to read the verses before and after to get a full understanding . I received it in Jesus name . There’s a verse that pops up a few times in the Bible and I’ve searched high and low and I still don’t understand the true meaning . If you can help me out a little . “Do not cook a young goat in its mothers milk .” I’ve interpreted in my own way but didn’t feel complete . Any commentary ? I’d love to hear your thoughts .
Hey! This was in my bible study today. I had to hear another person explain this further and your video showed up. Great video here. I’ll check out you channel more as I believe we have the same mission within christian content creation. God bless your ministry!
Does anyone know where I can hear an audio of of this vs spoken in the original language it was written in, or the language Lord Jesus would have have spoken it in?
Two or more
Do you believe in the Mandela Effect?
Amem , thank you dor the Information And God bless you
Because you say we see. Therefore your sins are not forgiven. When did you obtain grace for grace? Imposter!
What? Because I said "we see" you think I'm an imposter and not forgiven? Where did you pull that from?
Hi Jeff! Thanks so much for this video. I am studying Matt 18:15-20 and you helped me in so many ways. God bless you for following Gods will for your life.
Context starts at 4:00
The passage is a reference to Deuteronomy 19:15.
This was so good! Thank you for taking the time to expound on this commonly taught verse.
Thanks for this, great video and explanation! 👍
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Wow! Bless you ❤
Awesome I was thinking about this verse at work
new subscriber here. Great content on your channel!
Glad you are here!
Thank you!! Very well explained!
Glad it was helpful!
Confusing
Wow this deep love this
Thankful for you for this !!
Thanks for watching!
So it doesn’t mean being healed?????
This verse is dealing with how to handle conflicts within the church.
Great message Brother
Thanks for checking it out!
Takes too long to get to his point...
If you don't have 10 minutes to listen you can skim the same content here: www.rethinknow.org/2020/06/15/matthew-18-20-meaning/
I'd love to hear from you! How have you heard Matthew 18:20 used?
I've heard that no matter how many people gather in the church (1, 2, or 3) God will be with them. They usually say that when there is a small number of people.
@@scathbogard9124 That's right, God is with us regardless of the amount of people.
I would like to hear your take on verse 18 about binding and loosing and how it pertains to the same topic? I didn’t hear you mention that and I was really curious about that part
I am glad you've produced this video. This verse has been misquoted many times in my church & it would strike me as odd or shrug it off. It becomes very clear that it's misquoted once you realize people don't really believe how it's being misquoted since it's also believed God is with us when we are on our own, the complete opposite of the misquote. It's incredible how human understanding leads to these simple blunders
Some one quoted this verse in a FB group and I googled it. People were going back and forth about whether it was "2 or 3" or "2 or more". Your web article came up thankfully. I want to thank you for helping me to help them understand the true meaning of this verse. We all learned something very important today. Because of you. Keep up the good work brother Jeff. You just earned a new sub, and not just because we share the same first name. Which doesn't hurt lol 🙏
@@New_Disciple-G3101 Yeah, Satan changed it from to 2 or 3 now everyone is going to heck. 🤣🤣🤣 get a grip!
How forcible are right words, but what doth your arguing reprove.
Message for anyone who is “In Christ”:
• Notice that there are those who are commenters and readers, but there are also the demonic
• prayerfully look at their channels and what they post to identify their characteristics,
Only the Word of God protects us and binds.
Psalm 27 is excellent in this regard:
Pray: The Lord is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear. The Lord is the strength and refuge of my life, of whom
shall I be afraid. When evildoers (the wicked) assail me to eat up my flesh, it is they who stumble and fall.” If you pray 🙏 this prayer toward the demonic trolls, and if it is two or more … the Word will manifest for your protection. (And since it “when 2 of more”, then the more who read and pray in agreement, the better.
In Jesus Christ of Nazareth mighty Name we pray, Amen. 🙏
The word of God can many times be safely interpreted in a broader context. But it can also be mis-interpreted that way. In this case it is not. But when Jesus sais "I", he means Jesus, not the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost He introduced as a separate person, that replaces His presence on earth. Also He talked about having a Father in heaven. Three separate persons united in their aims and targets - but separate persons. So we are never alone. But it is as if He were physically present, if more than one persons come together in His name.
I always felt, that the catholic (false) interpretation of trinity is not such a big thing. And if people want to fight, they will always find a reason to - no matter what interpretation of trinity. But in this particular case I feel sorry, that such a smart and good christian comes to a different conclusion than me. Even if I still think, that the practical consequences in real life are minimal - at least as far as I could observe it.
Matthew 18:15-20. How can you humbly and lovingly confront someone regarding a sin issue? What are the dangers of unrepentant sin?
YES!!! Well meaning Christians can so often take a verse out of context and make it mean something it doesn't, this is a bad practice, though often innocent, but still not good, we have to read any verse within it's context.
AMEN! And AMEN!
Taking refuge on this verse, thousands of Protestant pastors starting their own churches by which endless new churches are cropping up for every two and half months through out the world, piling up to fifty thousand individual church.
very good interpretation.
Oh wow were having a bible study on this verse and im glad I listened it because I grew up hearing this verse and apparently out of context
The full context includes verse 19, "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven." NASB
YES! I totally agree with everything you said
Agree with 95% until word leaders added in for church
Thank you for that explaination
Thanks for watching! Glad you found it helpful!
That was really helpful thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for making this crystal clear.
Thanks for the clarity!
Glad it was helpful!
The unsaved are NOT righteous hence there is no presence of the Lord ever with them
Yes we need to pray they eventually repent
Well put😊
Way tooooooo much Judgement in this .... the way you say, "we should treat them as Sinners," is judgement in itself. This is the problem with Church and Christianity.... this will NOT get our children to follow Jesus. You have to give advice without giving any judgement if you want to get your point across. I appreciate what you are doing for others by sharing the Christ Consciousness within you for others... but sharing anything that says, "treat them as sinners" is made made preachers teaching you the wrong way on what Jesus was here to teach us... You mean well... but i can promise if you quit the judgement, you'll get a lot more followers and lead 10x more people to Jesus.
How are we supposed to treat sinner? We love them. That's what that means.
I'm not interested in judging the world. The Bible makes clear that's God's job. But we are called in this passage and plenty of others to "judge" those inside the church. Although the word judge is massively misunderstood. I got a video on that as well.
Believers in Christ is the point, not followers of man. Jesus was judgemental of sinners, and loved them too.
wow. great revelation. I don't think anyone truly believes that God is not with them if they are alone. That would delete every concept of who God actually is and His omnipresence. This verse is usually used to encourage small groups that feel small or less valuable because of their low numbers. It is also used to increase our faith when we fail to understand that Jesus is actually present in our gatherings.
I don't disagree with this interpretation, but I see it damaging the innocent and simple in their faith and knowledge of Christ. Our intellect can actually become a stumbling stone for those that simply need this verse to continue with their small groups.
I don't think I will ever reveal this interpretation to anyone, as it will only create doubt and confusion to the simple faith that is needed as a child to enter heaven.
I agree with how you've seen this verse used. However, that doesn't make it correct. Using Matthew 18:20 to encourage those in small gatherings is the wrong interpretation and encourages taking the Bible out of context. There's other verses that we can use that encourages us that God is present when we are alone or in a small group. But I think we should be cautious about knowingly using a verse out of context. It's explicitly clear what Jesus meant in this passage. We shouldn't lead people to a different conclusion.
@@RethinkwithJefferyPoor I agree with your warning about misinterpreting verses out of context. However, in this particular case it does not do any damage as it does not contradict the Bible. All it does is reaffirm that God is omnipresent. My main concern is with weighing being right about a verse, and taking away the simple faith of many that need it. Sometimes, we are quick to judge the simple faith of some and eventually we are the ones loosing out by bringing the Word to an intellectual level.
I am reminded of the verse that talks about asking , seeking and receiving which is normally used for fervent prayer describing our intensity on how we ask from God. However, the context clearly talks about receiving the Holy Spirit. It's is not wrong to use it for prayer as it does not contradict the Word.
(Luke 11:9-13 ) same passage in Mathew does not mention Holy Spirit, but good things as a petition.
God bless you.You the holy spirit spoke to me through you.
God nigh our mouth ♥️