So… hellison hits zary cleanly at the shoulder… and while doing that, he thoughtfully decides to take out zary’s knee? Looks like incidental contact as far as the knee goes… not everybody is Matt Cooke…. What should hellison have done differently, in regards to the knee aspect? Physics is a tricky thing in the microseconds taken up in the dealing of the hit… things in motion stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force… could’ve just as easily been hellison laying on the ice with a bad knee… food for thought
@@lakesidehog9525 Incendental? You mean intentional, look at how he kicks the leg up after contact (2:07). He made NO real contact other than the knee. And it doesn't even matter if he "meant" to do it, he *did* it. 50.1 Kneeing - Kneeing is the act of a player leading with his knee and in some cases extending his leg outwards to make contact with his opponent. Did he lead with his knee? Yep.
god i hate these announcers. like, i get they dont have some god view where they can see everything before anyone else, but i dont get why they dont shut their traps before seeing the footage. "sometimes it looks like theres no hitting in the nhl anymore". like...dude, how about you wait to see what happened before making such a boneheaded call. even after...idk. sorry, homer announcers need to go.
So you want announcers at a home game not to be homers? How exactly will that work, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. All home teams have their own announcers
@@zachbrown210 how is that the dumbest thing? lol you want educated announcers not homers that are blind. Just like bostonians with jack Edwards. They were all ok with it while the rest of us were like “how the eff does this guy have a job” then he got really bad and they tried convincing us something was wrong…. Nah he was always garbage
@@plrt6794 Yeah Right, former Ducks goalie Guy Hebert doesn't understand the game. Former NHL forward Emerson Etem doesn't understand they game. You know more that they do? STFU.
@@walterraleigh5915 But these days nobody mans up and braces to take a hit. They just turn into the boards or do this and hurt themselves and attempt to draw a penalty. I don't feel bad for them.
Interesting take on "clean hit". Should have been a clue when refs on ice who have been calling nothing immediately call it kneeing, then they go to replay to confirm. That is by definition NOT a clean hit
@@jiajiaoioiCalgary flames has some of the most unbiased announcers in the league… just because you call games for a team doesn’t mean you have to clean there balls with your tongue.
I'd say a hit from behind is worse. You can paralyze and even kill a guy like that. Knee injuries suck, but they'll generally heal with no lasting effects. Of course, the league is more strict on knee injuries. Apparently it's completely fine to hit guys from behind now...
There needs to be a suspension for as long as Zary is out. Bettman needs to get real with these season-ending knee-on-knee hits. If you don't have the skill to hit cleanly, no NHL. The talent needs to be protected from the goons.
At what point do we go from dirty hit to straight up criminal assault? That was one of the nastiest kneeing situations ive seen in a while. Just awful. These announcers are either clueless or incredibly biased
It’s like a high stick. You still need to be in control. Also make no mistake these guys know what they are doing. 100% trained athletes. Can get away from you sometimes as it’s a fast game. Looks bad for Calgary as he’s one of their best. Sad to see this happen.
Not only do the quackers not have anybody that plays hockey well, they also don't have any announcers that know hockey well. That is as dirty as it gets for knee on knee.
The announcers are ridiculous. Everyone not these idiots would have as their first reaction - “that’s a game misconduct .” They actually tried to justify it all the way as a shoulder check, “but the knee was there.” The only point of contact is the knee. There will definitely be a suspension to follow. Where did they find these guys in the booth?
There's only one way to fix this. If you make a dirty hit, you are out at LEAST as long as the player you injured. If his career ends because of your hit, then so does yours.
Ideally: 1) The offending player is suspended at least until the injured player is declared fit to return by an independent third party. 2) During the offending player's suspension, his team plays with a short bench (19 players, instead of 20). 3) For the duration of his absence, the injured player's salary counts against the offending player's team's cap. If the offending player's team must consequently release or demote a player, so be it. 4) A player who accrues more than one suspension of at least 10 games, suspensions totalling 25 games, more than 5 suspensions, or 12 game ejections, is banned from the league.
That doesn't work though because a team like vegas can let a star sit until the playoffs....heavy amount of games....25 first offence and 40 after that to 1 year suspension....
Is this the Anaheim broadcast? These two are horrific. Not one word of concern for Zary when he went down just classless commentary saying you cant hit anymore. What was the calibur for hiring? They sound like they couldnt commentate over cartoons. Fire those two. Horrible commentators.
Well, that's a phone call from the office...maybe. What's Helleson's history? One thing's for sure, the rematch is on the 30th, well after whatever suspension he may (or may not) get. Flames will NOT forget...
Wow, there’s some intelligent canadians right there… losers… can’t beat anybody but germany and you get all butt hurt… maybe zary shouldn’t have cut to the inside?… just a dumb move by a not thinking player… kinda like the intelligence used in this thread before I commented… smh
Helleson is not a "nobody." He was an All-American at Boston College and helped the U.S. win the World Juniors a few years ago. He was a second-round draft pick too.
@@brianshaughnessy4020BRO really BRO, that's the saddest, sorry off topic, ANYONE WHO THROWS A KNEE LIKE THAT SHOULD INSTANTLY BECOME A NOBODY, AS IN GONE, SEE YA, FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE YOU ARE NOT A HOCKEY PLAYER " BRO"
There's no angle from which that looks like a clean hit. I understand home announcers are somewhat biased, but being completely detached from reality is too much.
It is most definitely kneeing but really looks to be reactional kneeing versus intentional. Helleson is playing the acceleration of Zary going wide on him and it looks like he wanted to throw a hip check if you pause at 1:52 of the video (which is wild in today's game) or to at least make contact so Zary couldn't cut to the net. Then Zary changes direction with the toe drag and Helleson's first reaction is to stick out his left leg to prevent that (Helleson's body is parallel to the boards and he is skating East-West). Obviously, this is a penalty and very dangerous, but it appears more like a gut reaction to the attempted toe drag then him intending to do that. Putting the video in 0.25X speed and the impact is directly knee on knee. Hope Zary is not significantly injured but I don't see Helleson being "dirty" for the knee.
@@ESO_PRIMEnah I was there. They never showed the replay on the jumbo so it was tough to tell what had happened. It looked at speed like a collision more than a hit. Replay says different
Because they are morons, it sounds like even with all those teams in California they still know NOTHING about the game and have no respect for the game or it's players. Like dude, bro, surf's up
Idk who the hockey commissioner is but he damn fasho got to give Helleson a game or 2 suspension right? Maybe even more. These announcers are disgusting for trying to justify this
These commentators should lose their jobs for being such idiots. If a guy is on the ice holding his knee it's pretty damn obvious that it's a dirty hit.
i'm tired of these no intent to injure arguements. It doesn't matter that there was no intent. It was knee to knee, which is a penalty and a game misconduct.
He didn't stick his leg out at all. Goes in for a clean hit and Zary makes a dangerous play at the last half-second to doge the hit. Dude did it to himself
The dead silence from the announcers when they show the replay tells you all you need to know
Must be a Flames fan
That’s called editing. This exact sequence of clips was not the live feed. Keep wishing though.
@@dunn_wright Wishing that they were smart enough to not say nonsense while clear video evidence is played? Yeah, that's definitely a dream.
I’m assuming this commentator is blind?
Just a blatant homer with no actual knowledge of the game. And I am not a CGY fan.
They are so blind they could be referees.
Guy has a future in politics. Jeepers
So… hellison hits zary cleanly at the shoulder… and while doing that, he thoughtfully decides to take out zary’s knee? Looks like incidental contact as far as the knee goes… not everybody is Matt Cooke…. What should hellison have done differently, in regards to the knee aspect? Physics is a tricky thing in the microseconds taken up in the dealing of the hit… things in motion stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force… could’ve just as easily been hellison laying on the ice with a bad knee… food for thought
@@lakesidehog9525 Incendental? You mean intentional, look at how he kicks the leg up after contact (2:07). He made NO real contact other than the knee. And it doesn't even matter if he "meant" to do it, he *did* it.
50.1 Kneeing - Kneeing is the act of a player leading with his knee and in some cases extending his leg outwards to make contact with his opponent.
Did he lead with his knee? Yep.
god i hate these announcers. like, i get they dont have some god view where they can see everything before anyone else, but i dont get why they dont shut their traps before seeing the footage. "sometimes it looks like theres no hitting in the nhl anymore". like...dude, how about you wait to see what happened before making such a boneheaded call. even after...idk. sorry, homer announcers need to go.
Like everywhere else, hockey has become prone to buzzwords and phrases in place of proper due diligence.
So you want announcers at a home game not to be homers? How exactly will that work, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. All home teams have their own announcers
@@zachbrown210you’re clueless bud
@@zachbrown210 how is that the dumbest thing? lol you want educated announcers not homers that are blind. Just like bostonians with jack Edwards. They were all ok with it while the rest of us were like “how the eff does this guy have a job” then he got really bad and they tried convincing us something was wrong…. Nah he was always garbage
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These announcers are psychotic. Guy comes flying in with a knee like Captain Morgan
Homer announcers who don’t understand the game.
oh please calm down Calgary fan
Wild to think it’s clean
Zary left his leg out as well is what I don't get
@@plrt6794 Yeah Right, former Ducks goalie Guy Hebert doesn't understand the game. Former NHL forward Emerson Etem doesn't understand they game. You know more that they do? STFU.
What are those announcers smoking... he hit nothing but knee.
there was no intent on that. He was throwing a shoulder.
@@rickb9585 it isnt about intent
CNN....
They're totally surprised when a five minute penalty is announced under review....
Dirty hit, no question.... should be an eight game suspension.
Of course these announcers are finding a way to make this hit sound clean😭😭
They'd get fined if they didn't, NHL censorship is unethical
For every dirty hit, there's always someone to say it was "clean" and give the most questionable reasoning.
It is clean
@@kenwedemire8293 yep and ur retarded
@@kenwedemire8293 yep and ur an idiot
These two announcers must have went to the Jack Edwards school of announcing.
Rent free
@@TTMABB I’ll see your dumbass response with another… Jack Edward’s isn’t gonna suck your dick bro
I agree, as a Bruins fan I was never a fan of Jack Edwards. Not a clean hit at all.
Damn, knee injury is no joke that’s extremely painful
God forbid a rupture of ligaments.
This is for life.
The crowd calling ref you suck after seeing that injury is real classy
california fans for you. none of them know hockey
"looks like he might be in some discomfort" um.. no shit? 💀
He should have manned up and braced for physical contact and taken the check then. Instead he tried to evade it at the last second, oh well.
@@yakivpopavich Wow. Showing zero concern or sympathy at all for an injured player shows me what kind of person you are
Clean hit!?! Are they kidding!?! At least the refs have eyes.
He stepped up and the forward tried to sidestep the check. Should not have been a penalty.
@@walterraleigh5915 But these days nobody mans up and braces to take a hit. They just turn into the boards or do this and hurt themselves and attempt to draw a penalty. I don't feel bad for them.
@@walterraleigh5915 "the forward tried to sidestep the check"
"The forward" never changed his path. Get to an optometrist, stat!
@@Leafsdude Yes walter is just as blind as the commentators
How did these announcers get hired? God some American announcers haven't a clue about hockey.
These guys should call golf. Unbelievable. Hockey is obviously too fast for them or they are trying to compete with those clowns in Boston.
Jack Edwards retired, they're trying to succeed him.
There is no “chest to chest” in the contact.
Hahaha 😂 clowns
That was crazy to say. Even as Homer announcers you gotta admit there was pretty much no contact, but knee on knee
It seems like there's more knee to knee hits this season than I've seen since the 80's
Last 3 years have been crazy for knee on knee. I’d like to see a chart on how fast it’s climbed.
As a Canucks fan I’m praying for him to recover 🙏🙌
“Clean hit”?!! “Can’t hit anymore”?!! Are these commentators serious?!! Wow. Also the 2 minute on Calgary is ridiculous!
These same commentators would have cried on the ice if they took a "clean hit" like that.
More like their families at the funereal
Interesting take on "clean hit". Should have been a clue when refs on ice who have been calling nothing immediately call it kneeing, then they go to replay to confirm. That is by definition NOT a clean hit
Even as an Edmonton fan....I'm saying wow these commentators are bafoons
These announcers are such homers.
Ones a former Ducks Goalie Guy Hebert
Theyre from California 🤷🏻♂️ libturds
Well no shit, it is like every team has their own announcers... New to the game?
@@jiajiaoioiCalgary flames has some of the most unbiased announcers in the league… just because you call games for a team doesn’t mean you have to clean there balls with your tongue.
@@jiajiaoioibig mad lol
This announcer is a clown
I just hope Zary is okay. Knee on knee is the lowest of all hits, can end a guy’s career. Nothing is worth that.
It's a bad injury, but it looked like a hockey play IMHO
I'd say a hit from behind is worse. You can paralyze and even kill a guy like that. Knee injuries suck, but they'll generally heal with no lasting effects.
Of course, the league is more strict on knee injuries. Apparently it's completely fine to hit guys from behind now...
There needs to be a suspension for as long as Zary is out. Bettman needs to get real with these season-ending knee-on-knee hits. If you don't have the skill to hit cleanly, no NHL. The talent needs to be protected from the goons.
Betman doesn’t get serious with anything hockey. It’s just money to him
Announcing is absolutely disgusting. If I was watching my team and the announcer was talking like that about another team I’d be pissed
Players wont learn until a rule is imposed keeping the offending player out of the game until the injured players is back on the practice roster.
I hope Connor is ok.
Looks. Like. A. Clean. HIT?! Some announcers do in fact have single digit IQs.
Way way too much credit
That was a prick job. - Bubbles
"Ohhhh fuckin DEVASTATING"
Don't know what the announcers were watching, but that was knee-on-knee contact. Suspension pending.
At what point do we go from dirty hit to straight up criminal assault? That was one of the nastiest kneeing situations ive seen in a while. Just awful. These announcers are either clueless or incredibly biased
What are these announcers smoking? They are awful. Disciples of Jack Edwards?
These commentators need to be fired.
Why? They are employed by the Anaheim team.
Has to be a suspension, no? Like that was insanely wreckless
that's about as clean as Flint MI's water....
How do these announcers even have jobs?
This knee on knee wow. Zary spun around like crazy. Drew Helleson needs more than one game. Ryan Lomberg needs the "A" on his chest
It’s like a high stick. You still need to be in control. Also make no mistake these guys know what they are doing. 100% trained athletes. Can get away from you sometimes as it’s a fast game. Looks bad for Calgary as he’s one of their best. Sad to see this happen.
I love the physics experts in the comments acting like leg movement after an impact is someone evidence of someone’s pre hit intentions
Not only do the quackers not have anybody that plays hockey well, they also don't have any announcers that know hockey well. That is as dirty as it gets for knee on knee.
At no time does he hit his chest the commentators are about as smart as any American
Primarily knee on knee.
10 game suspension that’s dirty
I'd say longer or as long as Zary is out. This type of injury can end a player's career
It’s modern NHL id be surprised to see a single game suspension
sure, for accidental knee on knee
@@Soundtracks92 I agree as long as zary is out would make sense.
Feel like he didn’t try to do it but he still did it so definitely the right call.
Right in the knee. 😢
The announcers are ridiculous. Everyone not these idiots would have as their first reaction - “that’s a game misconduct .” They actually tried to justify it all the way as a shoulder check, “but the knee was there.” The only point of contact is the knee. There will definitely be a suspension to follow. Where did they find these guys in the booth?
There's only one way to fix this. If you make a dirty hit, you are out at LEAST as long as the player you injured. If his career ends because of your hit, then so does yours.
Exactly
I disagree....set the standard as 40 game suspension....a repeat offender is out of the NHL.
Ideally:
1) The offending player is suspended at least until the injured player is declared fit to return by an independent third party.
2) During the offending player's suspension, his team plays with a short bench (19 players, instead of 20).
3) For the duration of his absence, the injured player's salary counts against the offending player's team's cap. If the offending player's team must consequently release or demote a player, so be it.
4) A player who accrues more than one suspension of at least 10 games, suspensions totalling 25 games, more than 5 suspensions, or 12 game ejections, is banned from the league.
That doesn't work though because a team like vegas can let a star sit until the playoffs....heavy amount of games....25 first offence and 40 after that to 1 year suspension....
@alschmidt8963 every team has the same salary cap, and some late-season suspensions have already carried over into the playoffs.
Why people are surprised that non-hockey markets have crap announcers is the bigger penalty
Based on Stanley Cup recency, wouldn’t Anaheim be more of a hockey market than Calgary?
@ No, that doesn’t mean anything. Hockey is not a cultural norm in Anaheim as it is in Calgary.
knee on knee- a dangerous, cowardly hit..
Is this the Anaheim broadcast? These two are horrific. Not one word of concern for Zary when he went down just classless commentary saying you cant hit anymore.
What was the calibur for hiring? They sound like they couldnt commentate over cartoons.
Fire those two. Horrible commentators.
our main guy is out for knee surgery
@@bry12341000so you don’t normally have that clown announcing?
those Ducks jerzeys are hard to look at
@2:53...that was a hell of a "collusion" to be a victim of!
"What was he supposed to do?" Not stick his knee out?
1:00 He's some discomfort !!! Hahahaha what a poor chose of words
Usual sentence when someone gets hurt in the nhl , get over it looser .
Ikr! Poor guys acl left the chat and all he got was in some discomfort 😅😂
Terrible homer broadcasters.
Discomfort?!? Excruciating pain is more like it!
Anaheim's announcers need to lay off crack during the broadcast. Not a clean hit at all
lolol what a terrible call by the commentator
Well, that's a phone call from the office...maybe. What's Helleson's history?
One thing's for sure, the rematch is on the 30th, well after whatever suspension he may (or may not) get.
Flames will NOT forget...
I sure hope they take out someone with more of a name then that nobody though
Wow, there’s some intelligent canadians right there… losers… can’t beat anybody but germany and you get all butt hurt… maybe zary shouldn’t have cut to the inside?… just a dumb move by a not thinking player… kinda like the intelligence used in this thread before I commented… smh
Helleson is not a "nobody." He was an All-American at Boston College and helped the U.S. win the World Juniors a few years ago. He was a second-round draft pick too.
I hope they don't that was nasty.
@@brianshaughnessy4020BRO really BRO, that's the saddest, sorry off topic, ANYONE WHO THROWS A KNEE LIKE THAT SHOULD INSTANTLY BECOME A NOBODY, AS IN GONE, SEE YA, FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE YOU ARE NOT A HOCKEY PLAYER " BRO"
You cannot call a roughing after a hit like this
Roughing should be excused for majors
The only time I got hurt playing high school hockey was a knee on knee , it is unbelievably painful
Who was/is Drew Helleson "colluding" with?
The coach really argued about the call?
These commentators has gone to a good scholl with Jack Edwards as their teacher
These commentators sound CLUELESS!!!
Does anyone ever give thumbs down to the comments on TH-cam lol He missed his hit and braced his leg to stop the Flames player from getting by him.
Fire these delusional commentators immediately. Unbelievable incompetence.
Some of these comments on par with the announcers
Shout out to the announcers Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin😂
There's no angle from which that looks like a clean hit. I understand home announcers are somewhat biased, but being completely detached from reality is too much.
Great job announced on the game HOMER
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these announcers are blind and biased towards the ducks
Commentators fired
Totally no intent to injure...RIIIIGGGHHHTTTT!?
Clown announcers. One of the dirtiest hits of the season
Did that guy actually say Zary was the victim of "that collusion"?? Is nobody else gonna mention this 😂
Are these UFC guys doing the play by play? When you lead the check with your knee, that's what kneeing is in the NHL.
when its knee on knee, ppl say its clean, when no knee on knee happens ppl cry knee on knee. Ppl be smoking
It is most definitely kneeing but really looks to be reactional kneeing versus intentional. Helleson is playing the acceleration of Zary going wide on him and it looks like he wanted to throw a hip check if you pause at 1:52 of the video (which is wild in today's game) or to at least make contact so Zary couldn't cut to the net. Then Zary changes direction with the toe drag and Helleson's first reaction is to stick out his left leg to prevent that (Helleson's body is parallel to the boards and he is skating East-West). Obviously, this is a penalty and very dangerous, but it appears more like a gut reaction to the attempted toe drag then him intending to do that. Putting the video in 0.25X speed and the impact is directly knee on knee. Hope Zary is not significantly injured but I don't see Helleson being "dirty" for the knee.
I bet if it was the other way around they would be crying bloody murder.
Why are the people chanting ref you suck? That was clearly knee on knee.
They’re in anaheim, fans are dumb as bricks & know nothing of the game
@@ESO_PRIMEfacts
@@ESO_PRIMEnah I was there. They never showed the replay on the jumbo so it was tough to tell what had happened. It looked at speed like a collision more than a hit. Replay says different
sucks fans don't know what to chant.
Because they are morons, it sounds like even with all those teams in California they still know NOTHING about the game and have no respect for the game or it's players. Like dude, bro, surf's up
Idk who the hockey commissioner is but he damn fasho got to give Helleson a game or 2 suspension right? Maybe even more. These announcers are disgusting for trying to justify this
Commissioner Gary Bettman doesn't hand out suspensions. That's Department of Player Safety.
That collusion? lol these ducks guys are all drunks lol
Let's see a healthy suspension or this guy's gonna get destroyedt jan 30
These announcers just stepped out of a time booth. They would need to see a players leg fly off from their body before thinking it’s a penalty.
And that in their eyes would be a minor or something
FAFO.
A new contender for trashiest announcers has appeared!
The duck announcers are the worse
Gas lighting at its finest.
What do you expect from California announcers?
Wow talk about clueless …. Or willfully biased….
These commentators haven’t watched much hockey. That is nothing but sticking the leg out and knee on knee.
These commentators should lose their jobs for being such idiots. If a guy is on the ice holding his knee it's pretty damn obvious that it's a dirty hit.
just watched the leafs, there were lots of hits in that game, not sure what that guy is talking about
i'm tired of these no intent to injure arguements. It doesn't matter that there was no intent. It was knee to knee, which is a penalty and a game misconduct.
Hahaha what a homer... chest on chest?????
Clean. Zary wasnt even looking at Helleson and didn't know where he was skating. Helleson doesnt even change paths.
10 game suspension.
Classy all around from the biased ass commentators and the blindly mad crowd
Health🙏❤️🙏
He didn't stick his leg out at all. Goes in for a clean hit and Zary makes a dangerous play at the last half-second to doge the hit. Dude did it to himself