I have not heard your podcast on Baby Bates. However, I grew up where he was from. He was actually, John Wright’s cousin. To THIS DAY, the Wright’s, and the Bates to a less degree, are STILL A POLITICAL POWERHOUSE…. They are intermarried to many certain last names of the area. And, the Wright’s are fine fine people. The Bates’ are known as people who are not to be trifled with. Baby abates as he was called, settled all accounts when he returned from his capture as a Confederate. While he was captured, He was so big they took him to Washington DC, and he was paraded in front of President Lincoln. President went down and stopped Bates and said, “ I have been waiting my whole life to ask somebody this. Usually people ask me- “How is the weather up there!” True story. Then he- Lincoln, and Bates discussed area politics where Bates was from. Kentucky was well known by Lincoln, who worked hard behind the scenes to keep it from going with the Confederacy.
You all are just so interesting to listen to! Thank you for bringing us these stories and history! And for sparking our interest to explore some on our own!
I understand the frustration of not being able to find information about an event that has happened in the past. When I moved to the Americus Georgia area in the early 90's, I heard about a shoot out that took place in the 1800's. About a year ago I thought I would look it up. The first thing I found was a chronological list of historical events. In it for July 6th or 9th 1857 there were a few sentences about it. For months off and on I finally pieced it together at least the gist of what happened. The only newspaper article was about six lines. I think maybe there is a diary somewhere that has more information. Anyway thank you for the story. It was very interesting.
Madden Branch in Polk County, TN runs into the Ocoee River from the West. That's a popular spot along the river. Who knew that something like that happened right there? Emerging Civil War's website has the story.
I lived in north carolina I had a frend who told me about a big long hotel on a mountain that burnt down with the owner in it he said it burnt for six days. I thought about this when i heard your story.
Re Patrick Hagan. You might want to check Scott County VA historical records. There's likely books published in late 19th-early 20th century of Scott County history. I did an Ancestry research of Patrick Hagan and found quite a few records: 1870 naturalization record, 1828 Tyrone County Ireland baptismal record, US federal censuses, Findagrave memorial, several newspaper articles. Found nothing on the hotel.
Yeah, that’s where we got stuck. It’s fairly easy to find information about his life, especially since he was a lawyer dealing in land, so the land records have much to tell. It’s that High Knob Hotel story that’s so elusive. Thanks for your suggestions!
The civil war was a brutal free for all on both sides! Can’t blame a man who was wronged like he was and with modern eyes lay blame, hell, I’d probably have done the same only my victims would have been from the unit who did that to my family. Different time same crimes.
My maternal ancestors are from Fentress County Tennessee-surname “Stephens” and also appear to have come out of Virginia. My folks were from Buffalo Cove.
I have an ancester that was known as the "Cherokee Rose". Something about this plant blooms at night. He killed yankees during the night. Unfortunately he was caught and killed.
Historically guerilla units are moving to fast to take prisoners. So are forward units, so in history, not being a historian, killing of prisoners does not surprise me. Killing civilians a differant thing.
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I have not heard your podcast on Baby Bates. However, I grew up where he was from. He was actually, John Wright’s cousin. To THIS DAY, the Wright’s, and the Bates to a less degree, are STILL A POLITICAL POWERHOUSE…. They are intermarried to many certain last names of the area. And, the Wright’s are fine fine people. The Bates’ are known as people who are not to be trifled with.
Baby abates as he was called, settled all accounts when he returned from his capture as a Confederate. While he was captured, He was so big they took him to Washington DC, and he was paraded in front of President Lincoln. President went down and stopped Bates and said, “ I have been waiting my whole life to ask somebody this. Usually people ask me- “How is the weather up there!” True story. Then he- Lincoln, and Bates discussed area politics where Bates was from. Kentucky was well known by Lincoln, who worked hard behind the scenes to keep it from going with the Confederacy.
Thanks for this …always enjoy your work.
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It’s similar to John Hinson’s story. Union soldiers decapitated his sons and he went rogue sniper on the blue coats
These stories are sadly all too common during the Civil War.
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Outstanding story
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You all are just so interesting to listen to! Thank you for bringing us these stories and history! And for sparking our interest to explore some on our own!
Thank you for those kind words.
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@@jamescook7713 yes, sadly for sure
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I understand the frustration of not being able to find information about an event that has happened in the past. When I moved to the Americus Georgia area in the early 90's, I heard about a shoot out that took place in the 1800's. About a year ago I thought I would look it up. The first thing I found was a chronological list of historical events. In it for July 6th or 9th 1857 there were a few sentences about it. For months off and on I finally pieced it together at least the gist of what happened. The only newspaper article was about six lines. I think maybe there is a diary somewhere that has more information. Anyway thank you for the story. It was very interesting.
I always wondered it Americas was a good place to live? It really looked like a beauty of a gem online. 😊
Madden Branch in Polk County, TN runs into the Ocoee River from the West. That's a popular spot along the river. Who knew that something like that happened right there? Emerging Civil War's website has the story.
Josey Wales was based a book by a man named Forrest Carter. It was called Gone to Texas.
I lived in north carolina I had a frend who told me about a big long hotel on a mountain that burnt down with the owner in it he said it burnt for six days. I thought about this when i heard your story.
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Re Patrick Hagan. You might want to check Scott County VA historical records. There's likely books published in late 19th-early 20th century of Scott County history. I did an Ancestry research of Patrick Hagan and found quite a few records: 1870 naturalization record, 1828 Tyrone County Ireland baptismal record, US federal censuses, Findagrave memorial, several newspaper articles. Found nothing on the hotel.
Yeah, that’s where we got stuck. It’s fairly easy to find information about his life, especially since he was a lawyer dealing in land, so the land records have much to tell. It’s that High Knob Hotel story that’s so elusive. Thanks for your suggestions!
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The civil war was a brutal free for all on both sides! Can’t blame a man who was wronged like he was and with modern eyes lay blame, hell, I’d probably have done the same only my victims would have been from the unit who did that to my family. Different time same crimes.
Very brutal time in our history
My maternal ancestors are from Fentress County Tennessee-surname “Stephens” and also appear to have come out of Virginia. My folks were from Buffalo Cove.
A guy named Smith did some guerilla stuff in WV
You mean "Rebel Bill" Smith? Might be a good story to look into! Thanks for watching...
Josey Wales was based on real life person Bill Wilson. Research is your friend.
I believe it was a reference as a POSSIBLE role model for Josey Wales...there was no intended linking of Gatewood to Wales.
THERE NO TRUTH TO ANY OF IT. JUST A STORY
He was a berserker.That’s what they were called in Ireland and Scotland.
I have an ancester that was known as the "Cherokee Rose". Something about this plant blooms at night. He killed yankees during the night. Unfortunately he was caught and killed.
My great great grandfather Samual Lovell was murdered by him in the Madden Branch Massacre.
Historically guerilla units are moving to fast to take prisoners. So are forward units, so in history, not being a historian, killing of prisoners does not surprise me. Killing civilians a differant thing.
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Yeah, we figured that afterwards...thanks!
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