Too Old to Start Drawing? Cosplay Fashion Design? Voicemail Marathon!!! - Draftsmen S1E18
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- It’s a voicemail marathon! We answer a bunch of questions from listeners of the podcast. Topics include the fear of being too old to be a professional artist, cosplay fashion design, and knowing when a painting is finished. Stan paid Karl Kopinski to do an original painting on his book cover. If you have a question for us, make sure to call and leave us a voicemail at 1-858-609-9453.
Questions in this episode:
How do you know when a painting is finished?
What are the fundamentals for cosplay fashion design?
Am I too old to become a professional artist?
How do you deal with people that want you to help them with their big idea?
How do you balance fun and work when working for a client?
Will there be a Skelly app with muscles?
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Share some inspiration! Who are some people who successfully changed careers after 30?
How do you draw so well from imagination! It really inspires me how well you draw forexample animals from your head 《333 much love
Me yayyy
@@jakobgjertsen2801 good one buddy
Colonel Sanders
I am so uninspired right now. I feel like I’ve been spinning my wheels and not getting anywhere with 1-2 hours of practice a day. I’m just tired I guess. I just wish I could draw better than I do.
Norman Mingo (1896-1980), Mad Magazine’s most celebrated cover artist. A veteran of the World War One, he painted his first Mad cover in 1956 at age 60.
Wooow at 60! And I thought I was getting older 😅 I'm 28, I still have time to be amazing ! 😃
Big Fan Mr.Gurney!! Absolutely love your artworks and your efforts for teaching us your experience in drawing and painting :D!!!
I love ur channel sir
The legend himself! 🙌
According to Wikipedia Norman Mingo's art career started strong before even graduating highschool...
Hey,, I was surrounded by people who said “keep your day job” every time I did something artistic. So I waited until I retired at 62 and am learning to draw well. Now I’m not looking to be a professional artist but I’m growing better in this stage of life, And I’m not opposed to selling something I created,
Sandra McFarland
Hello! I too had to wait until i retired to work on my art. It's very important to me to take the time to work on it now. Feel like i've been waiting my whole life. i figure it's now or never. It's nice to know there is someone else out there.
Forget those people. Shine your best and your opinion only matters in this
I wish you the best!!! 😁
Art is not about selling anyway, you do it because you like it, it's what I do. I'm young but I have a visual problem so I can't be as good as a proffeaional, but enough to be happy with what I do.
Is your happiness what really counts 😃 it also relieves stress and gives you something to do.
I think it's a fantastic choice for anyone, but especially now that you are retired and have time to relax and be patient
Well done Sandra! I wish you all the best
That's right
"I'm 38 am I too old?" Geez I'm 55 this week and just started drawing and painting again after over 20 years of not doing it. If you are breathing you are not too old.
wow, im turning 29 soon after not doing it for around 4
wheres my excuse
@@PanConQueso001 Nope. Now I draw daily
I'm 38 as well, and have been almost 20 years without drawing, and now doing it fulltime (physically unable to do anything else really atm.) again trying to relearn all that I have forgotten. I have been having same doubts a lot haunting in the back of my mind, and having someone say it out loud, that you can still do it, really took off a lot of pressure (at least for now)
Amen
@@Songfugel I'm 37 and just starting. Jordan Peterson says highly creative people like a lot of different things.
I'm 25 and I already feel like I'm too old- this was really nice to hear!
Snap
Also 25 and recently started drawing. Good luck!
And when I started at 18 I thought I had started too old haha
Vincent Van Gogh started taking art seriously at 27.
In response to the call about being "too old": Ha. I'm 55 and studying Fine Art, surrounded by 18+ year olds, many who have had 3, even 6 years of art in K-12. But...I've multiple degrees, had multiple careers, and that old school work ethic that my instructors try to hit my peers over the head with (doesn't work for many), so there I am, in the studio, day in, day out, and am making art. Will I be famous? Rich? I'll settle for successful, and considering how much fun I have with art, well, who cares if I'm successful. I still look for jobs in my fields (library science and eastern philosophy), but if I find employment in a museum, working in an arts-based operation, or whatever, well, it will pay for my studio and my art. It's all good. And you're just never too old for doing much of anything.
I LOVE this comment and what you are doing! ... As my old father would have said ... It ain't over till the fat lady sings. And this I can attest to as a working artist who really did not get going on her career until I was nearly 60. Will I ever be a household name? Nope! But I am well enough known to be a guest of honour artist at local conventions and I do book covers and other illustration projects. I have even been nominated for national awards, haven't won one yet. I most likely never will but I am still making work and loving the process. There is only ever a limited amount of room at the top. However, working as best you can with all of your heart and soul and earning your living doing what you love; that really is priceless! Experience and that old work ethic; marry that to passion. and your own unique creativity/ voice and it will take you miles. Go Lad GO!
Thank you for sharing your story Don Mutchler. Is really inspiring
Yeah, if you look at some of the students to come out of an atelier, it's not uncommon for some to go from ground zero to wooOoah! in anywhere from as little to 2 to 5 years of very consistent practice. Certainly doable. Keep at it!
I love this comment! There are MANY successful "second career artists" who were doctors, attorneys, corporate folks, construction workers, service professionals, etc. Ironically, people think they get too old, but your "eye" gets better as you age in the sense that you grow your visual library. Think how much more we've seen, done, & traveled than a 20y/o. Grandma Moses was a famous artist who painted at 70 I think
Don Mutchler your inspirational mate. Good luck
One of my drawing instructors started to learn art at the age of 37, she is in her 60's now she is a great artist, so no 38 is not too old.
well she started at 37... 38 is one year too late sadly.
I took classes from Marshall 20 years ago at CSUF. I went on to work at Nickelodeon and then left art for 20 years. I am getting back into it and am enjoying myself so much more. It's nice to see Marshall still out there giving advice!
I was deeply inspired by this episode! My late grandmother (Ruth Morehead) was a relatively famous greeting card illustrator who worked at Hallmark cards for the first 30 years of her career. She worked a regular desk job, then slowly built herself up to art director. She eventually quit to found Morehead Inc, an international company based on her original watercolor designs of cute kids and baby animals. She worked until her health ultimately was failing, but she is a huge inspiration in my life and a great testimony that you are never too old to make a living off of your passion for creativity and art. Keep learning, practicing and loving the process y'all!
awesome
I work as a nurse. my art beginning to develop when my brother was ill with cancer. Now I'm making my way trough art and improving my techniques. At work I like to draw people and I made a drawing for an artist. Both the artist and his wife like it so much they invite me to show with him at the next exibition. So I'm exited and looking for do this once for all. I need to prove to myself that I'm good enough to do this. Thank you so much for this episod and I almost forgot to tell that I'm 52 years old. Never too late!!
I work on IT and I get tons of "I've got an idea" people. The best you can do is ask follow up questions. "How are you going to sell it?", "who's your ideal client?", "do you know how one pays taxes in that business model?", "if the idea is so good, why is no one else doing it already?", "if they are, how are you a better competitor?", "how much are you going to pay me for my professional advice?", "if you don't pay for my advice, why would anyone pay for your work?", etc.
If they are serious about executing, you'll find a few questions they hadn't asked themselves and they'll have homework, so will stop bothering you for a while. If they are all ideas an zero action, they'll get discouraged with all this boring practical stuff and never bother you again.
Good comment. I agree with you that the question should be followed up with other questions. Sometimes you can meet someone who really does have a good idea, and who may have the funding. I know an artist (game designer) who met a kid at a convention who had a whole little novel and spec written up for a game and it turns out the kid's family basically funded most of the development. But the kid was so awkward, the project never would've happened if the artist had dismissed him outright. You never know
I've always loved painting, but I've only ever sketched (and never anything complete). I spent 2yrs in school for art, but the entire art program was unsatisfactory and my art professor told the class we could never make a living as artists. So it all left a sour taste in my mouth. I spent years on and off drawing, half assing everything. Now I'll be 27 this month (October) and I've decided to go back to art with a focus on painting. I'm just going to teach myself. No discouragement. If something looks like crap, well that's fine. I'll keep on going! I don't think you're too old to do anything. I think it's all about your mindset.
This is where I'm at in my life right now. I turned 27 last month and have always been 'on and off' with my drawing. I've never been really good and was also told I'm just not good enough. My education wasn't great, tutors were always off focused on someone else. I never had the confidence or initiative to ask questions .My problem is I never aim for perfection, I have countless sketches and thoughts, but nothing concrete.
So now I'm teaching myself and trying to get back to a college or some kind of education. Even if I can't get in or afford it, I'll still just draw for the fun of it.
I hope you're doing well and still enjoying art and can look back on what you made the days you wrote this comment and see how much you've improved since then :).
Because even if I can't make anything of my art I deeply enjoy it and have only started to realize how important it is to me.
I started learning to draw just before I turned 46. Find good instructors and put in the time.
NICE!!!
Marshall's suave voice has changed my life. Listening to his voice before bed is better for my late night anxiety than meditation. 😂❤
Da Vinci said "Art is never finished, only abandoned."
Marshall has such a good way of expressing his ideas. Love the podcast.
Dang it Proko these thumbnails are so amazing NEVER change them
proko: makes fun of pet rocks
also proko: sells pet skulls
😂Buuuuurrrrnnnn! 🔥
This has officially become my favorite show on TH-cam! I watch it as I'm drawing for inspiration and, and my face lights up when I see that there's a new episode. It's one of the only things that can interrupt my usual daily creativity schedule, because it adds to my routine rather than taking away from it.
this podcast is becoming one of my favorites. the chemistry you guys have is just great and I think Marshall's low key humor is just amazing
I am 28 changed my career from Multimedia Design to Emphasis of Art. Going back to my skill when I started at the age of 7. Love watching your videos. Thank you for your content.
I am 42 and I have just started to take my journey as an artist. I want to become a comic illistrator, I think it will take a while but I am not phased that I am older then other artist. The Drawing doesn't show the age of the artist, just experience.
I'm currently at work. It's lunch time. I'm on day 23 of my inktober. However, this is day 505 of me drawing everyday. I am turning 40 in two months. It's no longer about catching up with the younger artists, it's about learning more and more about what I love to do and getting better is just a bonus. My 9 - 5 job pays for my art hobby so, I'm grateful for that too. :D
I don't think anybody ever said "wow, I like this person's art, but he's too old, so I'm not gonna buy it or hire him". So yeah, don't worry about being "too old" for art. Good art is good art.
Marc Brunet said that Gamestudios solely hire you by your portfolio. Degree doesn`t matter because your pictures show your skill level more than any degree and game companies don`t search for people they can hire for the next 50 years, they hire for individual game projects and aren`t looking out for such long term investments. If you have a great portfolio they will hire you, may you be 20 or 50.
I'm 38 as well and about to embark on making comics, a dream I've had for years. Now is the time.
So, one year later, how's it going?
To anyone who started any kind of art at an old age, congratulations!!! I hope you try different things and be happy with what you do 😁
I also wanted to encourage those who didn't start yet, to try. Art is ageless and it's a perfect activity for the elderly. It's exercise for your brain, your coordination and your emotional well being 😀✍
I'm young for now, but I know people can learn at any age. You also don't have to be Leonardo Da Vinci to create something nice and to enjoy art!
This is a great comment, thank you. I find proko is focused on achieving excellence, professional work, and loses a bit of perspective in some of his comments. It's great for aspiring professionals but let's be honest, that's not going to be in the cards for many. Anything to lower the barrier of entry of art is a good thing. Less pressure to be good, to do it every day, bla bla bla. Also there is a definite darkside to making your passion your job, I've learned that firsthand in other areas. It may look great but it can really suck. Amateur = for the love.
11:47 never heard stan uncensored before, that threw me off 😂
It's a glorious moment for the podcast
I grew up on my grandparents' little farm, was a working woman from the moment I dropped out of high school and moved into my first own flat at the age of 17. I went to nursing school, worked as a nurse in the children's ICU. Since the unexpected death of my husband only weeks after I gave birth to our third child I'm raising our children on my own, work, and take care of my elderly parents.
I'm in my late 30s, and right now there are doors opening up for me. Drawing, painting, sculpting, writing have been my go-to places, that got me through everything. Art has kept me (psychologically) afloat when the tide was high and I didn't know how to carry on. It kept me (somewhat) sane (although I don't say that you get through all of your life with a full set of marbles. You'll have to lose one or the other along the way, that's part of your journey).
I'm not saying that I will be able to make a living with my art in a year or two; but earning a bit on the side by doing something that you love is a good thing to do, too, and I have miles to go before I sleep.
I am loving this! Marshall's advice to just "see how good I can get!" is perfect (I am chronologically challenged......) and really does it for me 100% . I have recently purchased the highly rated figure drawing course and cant wait for it to arrive!
Marshall, it’s as if you’re speaking directly to me. I am one of those people over thirty (50 to be exact!) and have been going through what seems to be a perpetual midlife crisis. I did a midlife career change three years ago and I was torn between art school and IT. Well I chose IT, BUT, you are the reason why I enrolled into an art class at FJC! Butlers Saturday class, trying to work my way up to one of yours. As the fleeting dream of being a musician passes I feel a burning passion to do be creative with art. Would love to meet you some time and love the podcast. Keep doing what yall’s doing!
Thank you Stan and Marshall.
You're never too old to develop an appreciation of light, texture, form and color.
I wish everyone in society could learn to see with an Artists eye, no matter their skill level or interest in working professionally. I love to draw, paint, and sculpt, and I often feel pressured by our competitive society to "make something of" my skills. However for me personally, the idea of hitching my love of Art to my next meal, is not a good idea. It took me five years of Art School to realize that about myself. Making a living in the Arts at any age is always going to require discipline, a high level of skill and an interest in business. It's not an impossible task, but I fear that many people who might benefit from artistic training, may avoid taking the first step, out of fear of investing time and energy into a skill that may or may not have a financial return.
I work a full time job and enjoy a variety of artistic disciplines as a hobby, it is very satisfying to only work on projects that interest me. I encourage everyone I know to take up some form of skilled artistic activity, be it classical art, needle felting, music making, model building, or whatever captures their imagination, orders their thoughts and teaches them how to see the world with new eyes every time they stop to look. You don't need to be the best, or even professional to have fun spending 15 minutes a day sketching. And over time, you might find those 15 minutes are not enough. Fifteen minutes become Thirty, Thirty minutes an hour. Before you know it you're spending hours and hours focused intently on rare moments and nuanced light. It's a great experience and I highly recommend it for all Human Beings of all ages. Not just the rare breed who have what it takes to do it for a living.
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for this episode! Marshall - your words of wisdom resonated deeply with me (I'm 47). It truly made me feel so much better about the journey I'm on.
Wow I've been listening to the podcast on my phone but I gotta say, watching the video version is a great experience. You guys have good chemistry
For anyone who hasn't seen it, Adam Westbrook over at vimeo has an inspiring, free mini-series of three episodes called "The Long Game". He introduces the first one the first one with the title "Leonardo da Vinci was a loser" and explains his mishaps and how his great works came later in life. Excellent series, fits right in with today's episode.
5:15 where Marshall talks about screen time making him want to roll around in dirt..hence the uprise of giant hardware stores like Lowes (here in Australia we have Bunnings) where on weekends people flock to buy gardening supplies, tools for myriads of diy projects..to get their hands "dirty" and do something/anything other than look at screens...really resonates with me. Stan..you need to get out more lol
My favorite podcast lately! I love how much Marshall knows about everything and can always bring up some noteworthy artist or a book. I'll make the skull a present to myself for Christmas)
Well now! You can tell Giovanni that I am starting on getting serious and will be profitable with an art career. I am 66. I am learning form Stan and Marshall … and others. TH-cam is wonderful. Plus I am great at research and at learning!!! :)
How is it going?
Marshall is such a comic book fan, I love that he tends to draw from his love of the medium in these discussions.
I started drawing at the age of 49. Will it become a career? Who knows! But right now I’m simply enjoying art. I practice every day, focusing on fundamentals and technique. Maybe in time it will become a fun career. Or maybe it will remain a fantastic hobby. Either outcome, I look at it as a win for me. 😊🖌
Art Spiegleman started his carrier as a cartoonist and commerical illustrator. The first part of his carrier was very interesting but didn't bring him lot of success. When his comic book "Maus" came out in 1986, he was 38, and when the second part of the story came, it started to get lot of attention. The book got the Pulitzer price in 1992. It was translated in 30 languages and bought him quite good success. Later he published "Meta Maus", which tells the story behind the comic book, it is incredibly instructive.
7:42 i love how Stan expresses something vaguely and Marshall translates it perfectly to the rest of us
I love that effect marshall told at the beggining, now that we can paint digitally to our hearts content we strive for a traditional look on our digital art. We do crave the organic, just not maybe gardening, but in this case the intricacies of organic paint
I'm glad to know I'm not too late to learn how to draw. :)
I really love the spontaneous dialogues! and seeing a fresh/funny side of people who have motivated me...The podcast looks and sounds great! Keep it up!
The problem with cosplay or in general designing sci-fi or fantasy clothes is you have to figure out how each layer is going to work, sometimes you take days designing a beautiful tunic and all you can see in the end is a slither of it peeking from under your collar and you can see a bit of the hem because the rest is covered by a cloak and armor. Sometimes you think that something is one piece of clothing and later it turns out that its three different things, or something is supposed to be detachable. There was this one Loki cosplayer that designed what looked like a bodysuit, it turns out that the cosplay had 35 elements and he had to have a list of what to put on in what order.
Started drawing 7 months ago... I’m 32 and I feel like I can do something with it. Why not
man I needed this like 12 years ago lol a podcast talking about art/paintings/drawings? yes please always!
also is it possible for you to draw up something during this podcast and at the end of it you can show what you painted/draw XD
would be very awesome and maybe theres also some tidbits about that particular drawing whether a story behind it or just talk about the process you went about drawing it.
About the skelly app, no cell phone nowadays can handle something that complex. Most notebooks cannot handle it in fact. Solid, non uniform tensor stenghts deformation is a thing that is usually handled by dedicated computer clusters.
And yes, AI could work around it since it would not be a simulation, but to feed such a system would be a PAIN for starters!
Tiago D'Agostini I don’t know much about what goes into apps, but would it work for laptops? I’d buy the program or app.
@@confusedmari555 That type of simulation is too much for a small computer to do in real time. laptops (no matter how much you spend on them) are nowhere near the power of a serious workstation, and even those suffer with that type of stuff.
I turned 31 this year and just started drawing… too old or not, if it’s in your to be creative, it always feels good to become a little better everyday
Marshall: * speaks in beautiful voice *
Stan: 44:35
The late Gene Wolfe didn't write professionally until his 40s and didnt make it big until his 50s. He was an engineer and technical writer before giving that up to follow his passion.
Alan Rickman was a graphic designer before becoming an actor and his first job at 42. Director Ang Lee was a stay at home dad and didn’t get his break until after 40. I think Stan Lee was 40 when he created Spider-Man or one of those characters. He’d worked in comics a long time before. I’ve heard a lot of people who found success older in life say they were better prepared. I don’t know why age is a thing. Doing what you love or passionate about isn’t an age thing.
I love you two. This is such a health show for the community. Thank you all so much. I'm already subscribed but I'm fully invested now.
You are never too old to start drawing, it all depends on your desire to do so. However, you have to be realistic about your own expectations, and which direction are you trying to go with it. I'm 57 I have been drawing since I was a little kid, at one time I used to dream about becoming a comic book artist or an art teacher. But things happen and life sometimes takes you in different directions, I joined the U.S. military in order to help my folks and art became something I did when I was bored, basically a hobby. I still did draw while in service but it was only whenever I had the chance, after retirement, I still draw but not as much. Now I still draw, I have my own Deviantart page, but again, I do it as a hobby but whenever I have the time for it.
If you have the desire and the drive, you can do it, but just have to be realistic about what is that you want to accomplish. As a hobby, something you want to do because you enjoy it, then I guess you are never too old for it. If you want to pursue it as a career, then you have to be realistic about your goals and expectations.
Anyway, nice show guys, it is very enjoyable.
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I think its hilarious every time Marshall mentions a book he looks directly into the camera like its segmenting into a commercial
This was such an inspiring episode thank you Stan and Marshall for sharing your wisdom with us ❤️
I have a classmate who is pursuing design at the age of 35. She's learning super fast
Your certificate program is exciting! Even if I don't go into illustrating children's books, it would be an incredible learning opportunity and environment to grow in, especially as artist looking at illustrators who do beautiful work and wondering "am I too old?" Thank you!
I usually don't comment on youtube but, I started drawing from kindergarten, and I had support from teachers, my family, and my friends. However, I was not that good (my opinion). So at the age of 15, I decided to go the other way and took the profession as a chef since I could not support myself with my art skills, and that was the fastest way to start earning. At the age of 22, my career shifted, and I became a programmer. I learned on my own, something that had nothing to do with my previous experience, and I did find myself in that. I believe I'm very good at that.
Now I'm 33 years old. Art is something that was missing in my life for the last ten years because I was saying to myself, just a bit longer and I will have good earnings, and then I can devote myself to drawing again. Do I find myself too old to start all over again? Yes, I do. But I'm not drawing because I want to change careers. I'm drawing to see how far I can sharpen the skills that I forgot. Go with that mindset. Because if you pressure yourself, you will not get anywhere.
Really liking your interaction, at times it is like pedantic-fencing. Being 38 myself as well, I have been troubled by this question a lot lately as well. Especially every time an illustration just won't become what I want it to become, because I'm hitting my current limits in some skill department (lately it has been mostly rendering side)
And tbh, lately I've started to give up on being an artist and I want to someday become like Marshall instead. The aura of wit, wisdom and charisma on him is intoxicating :D
LOVE this podcast. Thank you SO Much, Stan and Marshal
Love your podcast by the way. It’s brilliant. There are so much to consider. Bravo sirs!!
Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
🖊First time I see "Draftsmen", and not the last. 🖊
"Uggh I wish that I had done more while I was still fifty." Quote from my grandmother.
True quote. I thought I was too old at 27 now at 37 I'm finally trying to be the artist I have always wanted to be.
Emily Hill The body has limits, the mind doesn’t so I don’t see why anyone assume they are too old to do anything that doesn’t require physical activity.
Yuko Shimizu - She started art school in her mid 30s after working in the corporate world for over 10 years. She is a successful illustrator based in NYC. Look her up on TH-cam, her story is an inspiration!
When i see to new video news, i smile with no purpose :D
I think the center of this question is the notion that the younger you are the easier and more effective it is to learn things. I was grown in a society where people legitimately say it is IMPOSSIBLE to learn any skill when you are old(like... above 25. ikr?). I started art at 29 thinking 'I will probably come back to art someday so why not now? I will show them their hypothesis is wrong." I am certainly not successful yet, but its been 7 month and I can surely say it is possible. I am better than a lot of people who started in their early ages and went to art schools.
I had a high school friend who moped about how he couldn't amount to anything because he claimed that since he is in his twenties, he found it too late to learn new skills, especially by learning how to draw, mind you. I actually tried telling him that it is never too late to learn anything and I told him a story about this Japanese jazz pianist called 'Ryo Fukui', who learnt how to play a piano at the age of 20 before releasing his first album at 26. Instead of taking the time to listen to me and trying to understand that I am telling him to learn new things, he moped about how he will never be like the Japanese jazz pianist I was talking to him about. In the end, I just gave up trying to convincing him because I knew he wouldn't listen to me.
I started drawing back when I was 13, and I knew so many people my age back then who began drawing at even younger ages, they were light years ahead from me back then and I used to think at the age of 13 that I was too old and late to the game, but somehow it didn't stop me, and now I'm great full that I didn't, I learned that no age is too old
Age doesn’t matter..if it’s in your soul keep learning, expressing through your art...find good teachers...Proko is certainly a fabulous and Marshal too...
@Proko, I'm not sure if you can see the Watts online forums, but every time you release a new podcast episode, I find a topic or comment that discusses it. ☺️
Just ordered the skull. I only practice figure drawing from photos, i've never had the chance to practice on live models. The form of a 2d projection is a bit of a guessing game compared to having an tangible 3d object in front of you, so i've been looking for skull models to get better at faces lately, so this is perfect.
Proko can u please make a series on the technical side of painting like the anatomy series
The prime example of this I can think of is Van Gogh. Didn't he start when he was 27? And then by the time he's 34-36 he managed to paint the masterpieces that we are now aware of. So that was just 7-8 years. If you don't try, in 7-8 years, you're still gonna be the same age but with a lot less knowledge and probably a lot more regrets.
You should consider the skelly with muscles maybe not for phone but i think it would be extremely popular among artist super useful for illustration
21:04 make me motivate to hard work and do more, to improve my drawing skill.
Wow, it's insane to click on your videos from James Gurney's (who I'm already subscribed to) and see this video on the front of your page, where you're talking to my old LCAD teacher Marshall!!! Small world! Loving your videos btw!
alyssaleandra what’s marshall like in real life?
@@kylo0053 He was a delight! Very thoughtful, insightful, soft spoken. I stayed after a lot of classes just to chat with him about art and different art mediums. When I struggled to afford college, he was one of the only teachers who reached out to me to offer alternatives and emotional support. He's also a good singer. :D
alyssaleandra he seems like an amazing guy god bless him!
I'm 41 and have 3 kids and a Ph.D. in science. I loved my job as a researcher and dreaded the one in the office I did for a year in between but I could never ever live without creating so I did that as a hobby all these years (so it's not the midlife crisis talking;). I did a couple of small projects for clients in the past but that was pretty sporadically. The problem is that it's really hard for me to make a soft transition: whenever I tried to push harder on my art (at night, of course, when else...) I soon became very sick (I like learning and creating - it's hard to stop so I lack sleep chronically). It is a very established pattern (I don't need much sleep to function but my body sometimes/many times doesn't follow).
So I (with a little help of my "friend") figured out that the only way I could make that leap is to jump fully in. But to tell you the truth I'm terrified I wouldn't get good enough to get paid regularly in a reasonable amount of time + I have absolutely no business skills (scientists are not known for that;)...
On the flip side, I think I know how to learn, have some discipline (I complete challenges and drew gesture 280 days in a row, etc) and have some savings. We have our mortgage-free home, I have my room, kids are in school now so I can have time in the morning and my partner has a job he likes and fully supports me. I'm pretty resourceful so I can make a lot of things myself and we don't need that much. The problem is more psychological as where I live women work and also I would like to work, always did; I don't want to be a housewife or dependant. I'd like to earn something as well; it doesn't have to be the same amount I'd make in a normal job but something to contribute.
Any word of advice/wisdom from you guys? Or has anybody here been in the same/similar shoes? I always thought the soft transition would be best but I can not work on my art all nights and in my day job and kids at day... I tried and my health crashes every time.
Do you know what type of art business you would like to start? Do you want to paint portraits on commission or do you want to do illustrations for magazines? That is the only thing that is not very clear in your description. If you already have a direction for your artistic career figured out I'd say: go for it! The other stuff sounds perfect. It can only get better if you win the lottery.
@@kamilak.5161 I'd love to work in children's illustration (books,magazines, projects for kids,...), that would be the end goal. But I could start with commissions, or scientific illustration or teaching to kids or beginners if that was easier.
It's really hard to get support here as we are a very traditional country in regards to safety - people here value safety over everything! So I'm afraid I'm not good enough since everybody tells me to stick to any other job... although people don't know jobs in science are not safe either - project to project... So I try to do both and so I am drawing at breakfast at the very moment:D.
@@verazgonik what is the point of living a perfectly safe but unfulfilled life? Your husband supports you, you're not in debt and having a courageous mother who's following her dream might teach your children a lesson far more valuable than giving them 100% material security. I would recommend to you to gather more information about the business side of illustration. There is this platform called svslearn.com for example. They have online classes like "how to earn money with illustration" and there is a 30 day trial period for free at the moment (I'm not connected to them. Just trying it out myself and finding it useful.) Try to figure out a plan or at least the beginning of a concrete plan how you can have some success as an Artist. And don't listen to people who tell you to stay where you are at any cost. What do they know? Did they even know one professional Artist? There are many people who make a living with their Art. It might be hard, but it is possible. Hope that helps. I wish you all the best of luck!
@@kamilak.5161 Thank you for your encouraging words! I had the same thought - that maybe the kids would benefit from the example? I have listened to videos from Will Terry so I know about svslearn but haven't signed into their programs yet - thank you for the recommendation, it's on my to-do list! I'm working on Proko right now;) but I could definitely use something business-related as I really suck at that (to the point when clients told me to charge more:D). Thank you for another perspective about people not knowing art career is possible - when somebody says something like that I always think that they think that because I couldn't do it because I'm just not good enough but maybe they would think that about anybody and it's not even related to my skils... It's a great point! Thank you!
@@verazgonikOk ... I haven't seen your work. But IF your clients already told you to charge them more and IF your general mindset tends to be that you're somehow not good, not smart, not talented enough to succeed (whilst holding a PhD in science ... because that's so easy. Everybody can reach that level of education with a bit of luck, right? 😁) chances are that you in fact have what it takes to make at least a humble living as an artist if you put your mind to it and start believing in yourself. And you're welcome! Cheering people on is my secret talent and one of my greatest pleasures. 🤗
Best duo on da planet
oh hey, that's great, I'm currently imposter-syndroming about having got accepted to a university on the first try. It's not that bad of an issue with me, I hope I'll be doing great, but I'd love to hear you guys talk about what it was like for you or other people to experience this.
thanks for the podcast guys!
Marshall learning about Phat, and Stan learning about drum machines. I guess I am somewhere in between these two age wise :)
I started to seriously draw at 25 hoping to be a comic artist. 40 isn't too late but I'm more concerned of their eyesight. The details I could put on a 1cm face (for example) in my 20's, I could no longer do in my 40's.
corrective lenses
I need to see some competitive professional concept artists who didn't start drawing until 30+.... I haven't found any really. I've seen some but they were all so far behind all these kids that started so young they struggled with any employment.
Most people just throw out examples like Van Gogh; and start using examples of fame and success and not compounded and developed skills instead. Especially with the way modern art develops, the stuff people can do today, as we have resources like never before?.... I think modern examples could be more inspirational.
Yeah, people missing the point, when they have give examples of Moses or even vangog to some extent.
I know examples.
Sang Jun Lee His Site www.sangjunart.com/
started at early 30 and, from what I see, he reached quite high professional level.
Another one tricky, but close enough in my eyes, Anthony Jones, who while traced from time to time at school, was more interested in music.
Became very, very good all under the pressure of work of plumber.
Not to mention, he managing somehow to learn 3d modeling and programming in meantime.
Jack Vettriano Started at 40, before working in mine industry. Crazy good.
Saw some other i were finding before, that I am not remember right now.
In reddit there sub r/ArtProgressPics have many curious improvements examples among others.
Are you found some examples since then?
Marshall has a great Loomis head! Sorry I had to say it! Not relevant to the requested comments.... I'm in my early 40s and have gotten back into drawing and painting. Hope to improve and get enough examples together to start commissions of portraits if possible. But the day job still pays the bills...atm.
Finally, been waiting
this podcast has made me buy so many books already and then 19:13 happened
Background chatter, I like that, I used to use all of these channels as background noise, but I think I'm going to use them as chatter instead now.
the conversation about AI in the future of art is really interesting :D
25:30 THE MAIN TOPIC
Chet Zar, amazing sculptor and painter used his talent in the movie effects industry. He got burned out on it and decided to become a full time fine artist. as everyone knows it isn't easy, but his unique "dark" style has been keeping him afloat for the past 15+ years.
I am 63 and have just started drawing and painting via the very dodgy 'teach yourself method.' Why now? Because my 6 years old granddaughters are better drawers and painters than me 😩 This shocker has made me realise that I've been putting off doing something I've always wanted to do for way too long. You can begin any new venture at any age.
Art of Learning is fantastic
I am 40... I have allways draw but never made a career about that, now i want to.. And I have been wondering the same thing.. Am I too old!? Thanks for the thoughts on that! Amazing as always!
Talk about "too old"--I'm 58 and *still* spinning my wheels.
I'd like to do a newspaper comic strip, but am insecure about my drawing style (particularly when it comes to drawing hands). Yes, "Dilbert" is badly drawn, as are a number of other strips, but I've always felt my work should reach Walt Kelly or Bill Watterson levels of mastery before I unleash my idea on the world.
Are you still teaching as part of the certificate program? If I can complete it online, I'd like to look at it.
Love the podcasts!!....still waiting for a video on ideas of how to use the Proko skull(as promised by Stan in his initial video)....please please..😬💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
You are in the elite club Stan!!
Two of the most infamous fellas I could think of were Paul Gauguin and Vinnie Van Gogh. Gauguin was something like a merchant banker (you need to confirm that). Vinnie was an art dealer and a pastor.