Having a Secret Identity as an Artist - Draftsmen S1E25
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- An anonymous artist wants to know if it’s possible to draw “naughty” artwork and hold a job as an illustrator for children’s books. This results in a discussion on keeping secret identities and giving examples of artists who made their living doing polar opposite work. Marshall and Stan try to give advice to a frustrated teacher about his school’s art program.
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What art school did you attend? What was your experience?
I attended a local, small art school. They taught me a lot, and I mean a LOT of techniques with different materials (including TAR and COFFEE). I had only two or three classmates at the time, and the professors were amazing people, They were more like family to us and to each other than mere teachers. We had lots of contests with many topics: comicbooks, crossovers, fan art, mythology... It was, and still is an amazing place. I still talk to the teachers and my former classmates after many years.
Anyways, that small school was focused on publicity art, and I also learned about storyboards, poster making and comic creation... That's when I decided that I 100% wanted to make a comic book.
Anatomy was, and still is a hard subject to me. In fact, I failed that course because I wasn't doing the assignments.
Nowadays, I have improved a lot, but I still don't feel good enough. I wonder if there's a moment where you start feeling "good enough", after all...
@@DonVigaDeFierroAmazing! I wish all who want to learn how to draw will have something like this!
I went to two: I have a degree in visual art, a lot of which was conceptual or abstract and very frustrating to me. After I gradded from that program, I went to a smaller, more focused program in commercial animation (now renamed to 2d animation). I re-learned all the fundamentals that you need to have to be an industry professional (we had about 10 hours of life drawing and anatomy classes a week in addition to all the other stuff). However, it is very interesting to me that now that I have been a professional for several years, and have that solid fundamental training, I find myself wanting to do more abstract, surreal and experimental works to get away from the rigid structure of a professional production environment.
I think that too many post-secondary institutions ignore the fact that your abstract skills can be vastly improved with a few years of training in the fundamentals of art and learning your chosen medium in a more structured way before moving on to things that require more working from imagination using the technical skills that you have learned. I also think that these two types of things can be complimentary - they can build upon and make each type of skillset stronger.
Small local art school during middle school, 3years of paint, draw, and sculpture
I went to a University - Chandigarh University. I enrolled in the animation course and it was a disaster. I respect the 30% teachers that genuinely taught something but I'd never recommend someone to enroll in that University. The syllabus was terrible. I mean 3 years course won't teach you something to get a decent job. The administration will never help you in anyway if you are in a problem. I had an accident last year. Instead of helping me out, they made me walk the whole campus while I was still injured. I'd have to walk at least 4 kms a day and would go home to scream because the blood circulation would stop in my arm because of the injury. I just dropped out of frustration. Can't hate it enough.
A+ Job on the thumbnail
Go away
I think Erik still hasn't replied to my message
When ur favs interact
Hi Mat
@@JefferyDavisJr. did something happen to make you hate this guy?
Or did you just spill your cereal this morning
I never thought I’d see such a thumbnail in Proko’s videos.
As an anime lover, I am as confused as you are
Yeah kind of a shock to the system, I would've expected JoJo or Keijo, but I don't even know what this one is?
As a harem hunter, I knew the anime in just first look tho yeah, didn't expect such an underrated anime for them to use
Wish they'd include artists from the anime world, y'know. Insight from both worlds.
I love it!
I'm always amazed about the amount of names Marshall remembers
He is a Ocean of knowledge.
I met him once, taking a one-day workshop. He remembered my name and my profession months later. I was shocked
That Thumbnail...
*_WHAT HAVE YOU BROUGHT UPON THIS CURSED LAND?_*
They brought us masterpiece ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Anime tiddies is unironically the most commercial art of this millenium
@@motivationalpower9669 Is that a f*ucking Vergil avatar? And your user name is in cyrilic? Of course you are 100% correct!
@@NevetsTSmith Yes, I am ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
This podcast hits home! I've been an NSFW animator for 1 year now. I took the desition based on finantial stability (Money). I know it's not a good reason to do anything, but it's not the reason why stuck with it. I found that doing this pushes my skills to a level I wasn't aiming for before this. The requirements on anatomy, drawing, and being a constant producer are higher. It's a big and competitive market. If you want to do it, DO IT! But do stuff you are proud of. Kim's example is one. Do stuff you would show to your peers to make them envious. Those are my two cents. Thanks for the podcast!
Theres nothing wrong with NSFW art and animation, dont let elitist "artist" fools tell you otherwise. Theres nothing more frustrating than an artist who thinks theyre "too good" to draw that kind of content looking down upon people who do. I wouldnt mind having a go at some NSFW or lewd drawing but the amount of stigma a person faces from their so called art peers is disappointing. Social media forces everyone to do the same thing over and over again and never experiment and do anything different. If a person who never draws lewd art posts something along those lines their fan base goes "oh no you're becoming a degenerate" and if someone who only draws lewds tries to draw something non lewd their audience goes "more titties bro".
@@dungofrungus7659 Yes. Thats a good way to view it. For me it was a difficult choice to make because my initial motives were base on money rather than artistic challenges. I found the artistic side later.
@@oldhbruna Money is important, unless you are either an idiot or someone that was born on a golden cradle.
@@dungofrungus7659 I've found that 'fans' in this modern era are far too entitled. I know that's said about every new generation, but the internet and anonymity is what's created it I feel.
so much free content, so those who support a creator sometimes feel like they *own* them. It's not always true, but quite sad when it is.
porque borraste todos tus videos antiguos?
Im one example of this, it can affect the work you might do in the future but it will open other doors for other opportunities, they key is to Keep it separately, have a stronger presence as rounded artist and show the work you want to represent you. some people will understand other wont.
OMG REIIIIQ!~
not even one minute in and I'm already laughing:
Marshall: I teach art
Proko: I also teach art
Marshall: and I teach art *_better!_*
I did not go to art school; I put myself through my own “art school”. I decided to draw every day for at least an hour or two and attend uninstructed life drawing classes at my local art association (and watching Proko, of course). I began drawing so much that a local professional noticed and took the time to mentor me!
Man that's awsome, great dedication!
When did you started? Like what age?
@@cinnstix8029 thank you! It has definitely been worth it!
@@neguinlk I’ve been doodling since I was a kid but seriously working on it since I was 24ish, I am now almost 30 and a full-time NFT artist. I am Mincent man Gogh!
OMG I NEED A DEFIBRILLATOR I'M DIEING TO THIS THUMBNAIL
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Im super interested in the 'Design your own art school' episode!!! Please make it a reality! I have sooo much to learn, that half the time i dont know if im coming or going. Some direction would be immensely appreciated! Thanks for all that you share. (Also the rap was awesome and Marshall, your thought on baby birds and apples were beautiful!)
What the hell is going on with this thumbnail
The fantasies of the devil
I know, they should have use Nisekoi instead
@Tiago Rodrigues No, that's just a regular Harem anime.
WEEBS!
They finally move to the waifu-side of life.
You can see how much of a genius Marshall is in this video, I love his critical observations of the educational system, I love it.
Kawaii draftsmen *_U W U_*
Now don't ever do that again haha
I love how the biggest Brest girl is Marshall
totally wanna go undercover as an artist as it can be both cool and awkward when people who know you in irl finds out about the kind of art you make and stuff.
proko might not even be his real name
Okay, fine, I laughed.
True.
Oh god I think he might be Bill Clinton, and he has just been deep faking his first murder victim
I'm living the secret identity life. Love that this was a topic! Also, at the school where I did my art classes, there was a fundamentals of art class with emphasis on putting the fundamentals towards imaginative work, and then the drawing class was separate and observation based (from what I remember, it was like 10 years ago.) There was an additional Illustration class that had an emphasis on sketchbooking and working in the industry.
really love the amount of honest and useful down to earth advice from this podcast, it's always a worth while watch, and has helped me from time to time
I have never been in an Art College until now. I'm 41 years old, have an bachelor degree in Advertisement, and realised that I needed a better foundation in art to improve even more my career, and it is happening. I was lucky enough to go under the guidance of very talented teachers, who have successful careers themselves in Fine Arts, as artist and as teachers here in Australia. Even though the professors complain about cuts in budgets for the art course (I'm attending classes in a public college) and the 2 year curriculum is very tight, I feel that I've been learning a lot from them and their experience. But the fact is that teachers and schools can only facilitate the student's entrance into a career that will depend entirely on them, on their efforts to practice and their passion to produce, and will last as long as they breath.
I graduated with a BA in Fine Arts from the University of Southern California (USC) back in 2000. My GPA was 3.8 and I had the crappiest portfolio that could not get me hired. We were told, at that time, that the school wouldn’t teach art students how to “prostitute themselves like those Art Center kids”. Ignorant to art schools, I decided to go see what that school was all about. I was furious that the quality of work produced by freshmen, at Art Center, was FAR superior (visually) than anything I had seen from our senior class. In other words, I discovered I had wasted my time learning how to “feel through the form” as opposed to learning solid draftsmanship skills. Conceptually, the courses were rigorous, but I knew my “portfolio” wouldn’t land me a thing in the real world. I hope times have changed and that they’ve since revamped their curriculum, but I don’t promote the school to my high school students. USC was definitely more fine arts based. Some of my classmates paid even more money to “fill in the blanks” at Associate in Arts in Sherman Oaks. The result was that their senior project was completed based off of the courses taken at a “non-accredited school”. If you’re paying money at an institution, you best conduct research and see what students are producing there. I was one of the top art students at USC and my work was crap. Beyond teaching art, a degree is pointless.
From my experience you'll get the jobs you do most.
I've seen quite a few artists get pigeonholed into doing risque work they didn't really care to be doing 100% of the time.
Risque work will get you more immediate financial gains in the now, but not the massive long term rewards more wholesome works might get you. The sort of work that has a wider market appeal due to its being able to be advertised to a wider audience.
The most difficult thing about it is that you'll be building 2 separate audiences that won't necessarily have a lot of cross over, which will slow down the growth of your audiences.
I tend to aim for a style thats risque but not pornographic, to keep things classy.
Though that in itself has presented me with unique problems, where my work tends to be too risque for many but not enough so for others leaving me in a position where I have a difficult time getting people to share my works with others which greatly slows down my followings growth.
Stan.... we read to our son every day and by his third birthday he was reading the books to us, not by memorization, but he actually knew how to read. So he was reading full books by the time he entered pre-school. So reading is definitely important. I think your little one will settle down over time and begin that process as well. But don't miss a single day of reading. Good video by the way, I've since started my duel identity as well.
Another benefit to separating children's books and erotic work with an alias is that kids googling their favorite book's creator wouldn't get traumatized. Not that the nature of erotic work is traumatizing or even negative in any way, but children's exposure to sexual images early on can be.
More like their parents wouldn't see it and start to blow it out of proportions. You're never safe enough nowdays...
Welcome to the world that judges you 24/7/365. Do what you want if you can afford it and do what you have to if you can't.
"I do art better"
impressive, but I'M OLDER
YES, an episode about designing your art school, please!!
I graduated from an MBO education which is where you go after getting your secondary degree (vmbo-t) (which is a level in high school) the MBO is similar to a vocational degree in England. It’s the degree that comes before a Bachelor degree. The school is called ‘Sintlucas’ it’s based in the Netherlands. And since it’s an MBO there isn’t much specialisation, it’s a very general education. During my studies I actually assigned to an extra curricular that was possible in teamwork with the University of Northampton, which offered their lessons to our school.
I had to do double the work and managed to graduate from both schools. One with a vocational degree and one with a home bachelor degree. It took a mental toll though since I only slept about 4 hours a day for about 1 and a half years. And the other two and a half years I didn’t get appropriate hours of sleep either.
I really learned from the bachelor course, but I didn’t learn as much from the regular course. Though it was a lot to carry.
Now I am officially a graphic designer, but even though I love most aspects of graphic design, it wasn’t my passion. Animation and illustration is.
So right now I started another bachelor in illustration and animation at SintJoost also based in the Netherlands. The school is awesome, the atmosphere is so so good. But the teachings could be better.. way better. Though you are given enough room to make something from it, which is nice and also what I am trying to do. But there isn’t much time to search other teachings and I don’t want to make crazy nights anymore. It isn’t healthy and shouldn’t be the norm.
Every artist is always talking about their day jobs and night lives before they got noticed. Talking about how they didn’t sleep and where it got them in a positive way. And i never depended on sleep (not in my teenage years not when I was in college), though working through the nights really got me in a bad place eventually and extremely burnt-out. This was 3 years ago now and I still feel the aftermath from that life at times. This even though I am taking care of myself way better now.
I think people should teach in schools to take care of your mental health rather then tell you that you need to work harder on ‘x’ assignment when a student tells a teacher about their lack of sleep. And schools should be tailored to people’s needs. And again, there should be at least one lesson of two hours a week about a balanced life and how to be mentally stable for artists or something..
I don’t know, that’s the main thing my school thought me. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WILL!
Not in a competitive school full of rejected Teachers anyway. (I am talking about the MBO I referred to earlier, not the bachelor)
this is the best podcast of them all. the way marshal tell the stories of his life experience is like a grandfather tell stories to their grandchildren its so entertaining :D
Kim Jung Gi can draw anything and no one have a problem with it, because he's Kim Jung Gi... So just have that goal. Be another Gi and do w/e you want. We need more Gi's in the world anyways. ;)
@@seeyouneverp9158 Since he was a large part of the podcast it was only fitting to comment on the subject. Not sure if one data point makes a pattern of some supposed "always talk about kim jung gi"...
Great end question! I had a terrible high school art teacher. I stopped taking art after one year of high school but continued doing art and hanging out with my art friends. I chose to learn chemistry in college but seriously concidered doing art instead. While in college, I was afraid to do art because of how much it ment to me, and how much time I knew it would take, I stopped doing it for 6 years. Now I am a full time freelance artist and I have no desire to go back to chemistry.
This is a serious lesson in trusting your gut and also not denying who you are. I wish it wasn't such an expensive lesson.
I've done all my art schooling from videos, digital textbooks, used physical books, and asking questions to peers and artists I look up to.
Glad you made it back to after that discouraging period!
I do both general audience as well as mature art, and I have my platforms linked / use the same name on them.
Since I'm totally crowdfunded I don't have anything to lose, but my mentality is people should police themselves about what they do. You should be able to find the content you're allowed to look at without issue. If you don't want to see other kinds, you should have the tools to avoid it.
I maybe would separate a bit further if my SFW content was more targeted at kids instead of teens and adults, but I think society needs to learn to be more accepting of mature content. Agency, both for viewers and creators, should be the ultimate goal. I should be allowed to produce what content I want without exposing it to people who don't want to see it (or who I don't want to see it, I can't stand it when I get the occasional child commenting on my mature works), and viewers should be able to control what content they see without restricting what I do.
I relate to that email sort of because i draw a lot of weird/sexual art that im too embarrassed to show my family or people that know me in person. So to them I just show the more socially acceptable stuff, “normal” stuff. But the weird/sexual stuff is who I really am as an artist, so it kinda sucks feeling like I have to hide this side away. I don’t have that King Jung Gi “yeah this is what i draw so what” confidence yet lol.
About Stan Prokopenko's son Cooper and his need to turn the page quickly - possibly he is more visual than you are aware of and is more interested in the next picture than the words. Might be a chip off the old block.
Thanks for reinforcing my decision not to go to art school. I didn't need it. But I had the heavy, (and fun) burden of finding resources and teaching myself.
Yes, drawing as projects! I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I got a book from the library the other day Called "A guide to drawing" by Mendelowitz and in the book the author uses the idea of completing a series of projects as an introduction to materials and techniques. So in a sense the student artist would use the book and it's ideas as a starting point to bootstrap their art education.
I really like the book because even though it may not be the most information dense tome available, it does highlight the importance of self teaching and experimentation, and the project ideas themselves are introduced in a logical way that reinforces the concepts behind the artwork.
The way I have been using it, is to make sure that I'm completing the projects in a dedicated and deliberate manner I think about the lessons and the points that the instructor is trying to make. The importance of it. Because sometimes it's easy to fall into the trap of practicing without intention. It's nice to have that little shove in the right direction. A goal to aim for.
And of course, that's all great, but what I'm really missing out on I think is the Peer Review / Feedback process. If I was really serious about getting better I would make that a part of practicing too.
I’m graduating from a special kind of art school after this year. This “special kind of school” is something that is very typical for Sweden, and is called a “folkhögskola” (folkis for short), and is difficult to explain since it’s such a country-specific thing, but I think the best way to explain it is like a middle ground between high school and university. However, this doesn’t mean that going to folkis is easy or full of only high school graduates, or that it isn’t useful because you don’t get a degree. You basically go here to learn. No fancy degree, just experience, and it very much becomes what you make of it.
Some people go to folkis because they lack some courses that they need in order to apply to university, while others go there because they want to learn something specific (like pottery, fine arts, etc) that they don’t offer at universities. And thus there are people of all ages and backgrounds who attend folkis. At my school, you can do everything from completing high school math courses, to photography, to 2D animation, (which is what I do).
My experience with folkis has basically been the best two years of my life so far. Mandatory school and high school wasn’t a good time for me due to a potential undiagnosed psychiatrist disorder. it made highschool as well as uni very difficult (I have ALMOST a PhD in biology argh), and I was so tired of conventional schools, that I was scared that going to art school would be horrible too. But folkis has just been amazing.
My Folkis is full of creative souls that that have just enough workload to be productive but not overworked, the teachers are experienced and loving and do this because they genuinely want to and have a passion for their craft, and it only costs 100 euros a year. Oh and also I don’t have to cook my own breakfast, lunch, and dinner ;) it’s pretty safe to say I’m being spoiled and I will miss this place. So sad You can only take student loans for folkis for 2 years, because I’d like to live here permanently haha!
Oh and I should probably mention that I learned a lot about animation and I feel ready to get into the industry after only 2 years. We were able to learn this much in such a short time due to the fact that the only classes we have are 2D animation and figure drawing classes and that’s it (ofc we have exercises on storyboarding, character design, and such but the focus is learning 2D animation). But the the fact that the food is included in my rent is pretty amazing too. We had spaghetti bolognese today.
chrompoised Art lol that last sentence... ahhaha
I'm so jealous, dude. I'd love to study in a place like that
@@nomeda6000 it's really great 💖 I'm lucky to get to experience this, ^^ only wish it was more available for foreigners as it's strictly in swedish, so I always disappoint people when I tell them that 😔
Kim Jung Gi probably gets a pass because it's "artistic nudity". There's some public understanding that you do studies of naked people in art school to study anatomy and that many classic art are nudes, so you can get a pass if your drawings look technical enough.
But what this reminds me of is that there were, for example, Leonardo and Michalengalo paintings (like "Leda and the Swan") that were destroyed deliberately by moralistic inheritors. So there's always been this push of moral guardians versus artistic freedom.
And we are actually lucky to live in a much more liberal modern era where public indecency isn't punished as harshly. You might lose individual clients or maybe have one or two fanatics get on your case, but (unless you stupidly walk into that trap and fight with them publicly) there is very little they can do, and public support will be on the side of your freedom to do your thing generally, much more so than in previous times.
I think it's ultimately life mission vs money which is a choice we all make in any profession, and usually we make enough money, some status maybe, and once we've stable we go off and fully openly do our thing. At the end of the day life is too short, most of us won't be remembered, and even the famous among us will be known for maybe 1 thing that wasn't even their favorite work so if you truly believe in something, if you truly think society is too prudish and hypocritical and people should not ostrachize you or others for portraying sex that we all know happes to everyone or shield kids from it, then go and fight the good fight, do what you personally believe in. Yes, some people will disagree or hate you but that's why it's a fight, it'd hardly be a challenge if it did not cost anything.
I can totally relate because I too maintain different accounts to comment on, say, politics, or raw risque art, or to draw in different fandoms, and some people do openly claim that they'll drop an artist based on details like agreeing with their political stance or disliking their personality or whatever, and yes it's a bit hypocritical because you're rewarding people being fake with you essentially. And you feel like a liar and want to be honest, you want to represent what you believe in, or use your influence in one circle to further the cause of another circle or at least let people point at you as a positive example. And it's tricky to maintain that as an artist because some people WILL find you by catching similarities in your artstyle. But, similarly, if someone really cares then they can probably dig up your offensive tweet from 2nd grade or something, that's just the nature of this era. And I think the importance of dirt like that will actually diminish over time exactly because it is now true for so many people since everybody is on social media.
I think that at the end of the day you should just surround yourself with friends and clients who get what you're doing or do similar things, and then you can afford not to care TOO hard about what everybody else thinks about you.
This thumbnail killed me, then immediately resurrected me so I could watch wtf it was about 😂
"I made it this far, you haven't" lol
Tomi Ungerer Jean-Thomas "Tomi" Ungerer was an Alsatian artist and writer. He published over 140 books ranging from children's books to adult works and from the fantastic to the autobiographical. He was known for sharp social satire and witty aphorisms.
Marshall should do voice acting to be honest
Absolutely LOVE these podcasts, some of my favorite content on TH-cam. Listen to it while I draw, its wonderful! Thanks for the great fun!
Self-taught (and still learning) via Udemy, Skillshare, TH-cam, and an incredibly generous and supportive artist community on Discord that's the full spectrum from struggling beginners to pros.
Hey, I am doing the same at the moment but I always find like I don't have enough feedback and that's why I never improve. I haven't seen any improvement. What's the name of that discord community? Thanks :)
In the documentary
Far Out Isn't Far Enough: The Tomi Ungerer Story (2012), Tomi Ungerer had all of his children's books pulled from every US library in the 1960s when someone found that he made erotica. NY Times stopped reviewing his books for a while. Excerpt from his website: "In 2013, his latest children’s book, Fog Island was rated as one of the Top 10 Children’s Books of that year by the New York Times." He died in February 2019. He also made The Three Robbers (1963) which many people are familiar with due to the animated film. Post-search engine world, I suspect attaching a name other than your own helps separate your target demographics and is likely best for your career.
I attended the Fine Arts program at the University of Cincinnati. I can vouch for there being a focus on "conceptual" art (not to be confused with concept art as done for the film/game industry). While I made the best of the program, I definitely missed the technical instruction that I thought I would receive. All the intermediate and advanced were just the professors guiding us through our own ideas (which resulted in a lot of poor work). There was little instruction, almost no demos, and can be summed up by one professor who answered our questions only by telling us to google the answer.
Episode topic wish:
I struggle a lot with ADHD. It is impossible for me to focus most times and I also get the crippling executive dysfunction that won't let me manage to do even the things I enjoy and want to do. Some will say ADHD is not a disability but that is hurtful and wrong, because if I don't get to see myself as disabled I will have to see myself as useless and lazy and that's ruining anyone's self esteem, leads to depression and is just not true. I try really hard, harder than most people. I just don't have much to show for my efforts because most of my energy is spent before I even get to work.
I was thrilled when Stan said he has ADHD (in this episode or the previous one, I listen to both in a row and mix them up) because that means this disability doesn't have to be impossible to work around, and that maybe my dream of being a full time freelance illustrator and mentor can come true.
Can you please, please, PLEASE make an episode about being a disabled artist?
Much love!
Roald Dahl the famous writer who wrote James and the giant peach, Charlie and the chocolate facotry....and other children's books also wrote some pretty dark stories like Skin and Lamb to the Slaughter, stories that were geared for young adults and such. Which I don't think many are aware of.
Every time Americans talk about "school debt" I just feel the need to mention that in Europe, education is free. Up to and including University diploma/PhD. (Healthcare too, BTW.)
It depends where in europe though.. i live in the uk and i very much has sutdent debt :/
Nothing is really free, I'm sure Europe have way higher taxes.
@@Gleamiarts The UK is technically speaking not Europe as it's not on the continent. And now Brexiting too. :/
@@TheHebertag Education is really free. And it makes sense, it is the state's best interest to have an educated workforce as they produce much more economic value. You need only to buy your books (you can apply to get them for free as well if you can prove you cannot afford).
Healthcare is de facto free, as technically it's an insurance that is paid for by your taxes if you work, and the state if you are a child, student or registered unemployed but in practice this means you never pay for general healthcare. I can take an ambulance ride, get hospital treatment, CT/MRI, surgery, etc. and I won't pay a cent for it as the mandatory insurance covers it all. Exceptions are rare and experimental treatments, and for medication that you take at home it only covers a percentage.
As for taxes, yes, they are generally higher but that's nothing in comparison to getting education and healthcare for free. Anyone can go to University, and you never have to worry about getting medical bills. Having debts is not common here, except for taking a loan to buy or build a house.
@@StormEngineer the UK is technically in Eutope, albeit not mainland Europe
Best "What's your thang?" moment so far.
i love watching stan squirm when marshall is sincere and honest.
Writers use different pen names. So that searches for their children’s books or ya novels don’t show their erotic novels in a search.
But wouldn't people be able to tell they drew the erotic art by their artstyle?
@@KhayJayArt It's more of a filter problem rather than a "secret identity" problem on this scenario.
I just want a alias so that I can separate my real name from my art name. I want my art name be known for my art. Meanwhile my real name is only for those who know me and well my daily life.
Same because if by some chance you make it on TH-cam or whatever platform why would you want potential harassment crossing over into your personal life. People treat celebrities like trash instead of normal people with real problems and short comings like everyone else. I don't want to be a celebrity, I just want to do what I love.
I went to IAC its the best animation school in my country, It was a great experience, i learnt a lot and had fun while doing it.
In retrospect it was a mistake, the reason i went to 3D and 2D animation was because the internet (at the time-about 6 years ago) said that concept artist and splash artists don't make it -as a scared newcomer to art i gave up on my dreams and went to learn animation, it was wonderful but not my initial passion. now I'm learning from the internet my true art career goals
I once was deeply impressed by illustrations in a school book, so much that I looked up the artist and found nothing other than illustrations he made for a way more obscure book with some grotesque dirty/perverted scenes. I think you should avoid something like that from happening, even just for the sake of people who will eventually look up your name.
I ended up just stealing all the books with his illustrations from the school.
who was he?
@@martinfierro9734 Ярослав Шварцштейн. Thanks for asking, I googled him again, and apparently there's some brand new book that he illustrated and where he really shows off his skills. Still grotesque stuff, haha.
I went to Parsons School of Design in NYC, in the early 80's. My teachers didn't really have a method for teaching figure drawing. We had NO anatomy classes. They expected you to learn by just doing it, which I have mixed feelings about.
Art Institute of Atlanta. Super expensive and the quality of education was a literal joke. I've since struggled with my career and consider myself to be a complete failure. I came out of there after two years with around 30k of debt
My senior year of high school, our art and ceramics teacher left. I was absolutely crushed, and was stuck having to take theater design to fulfill my fine arts requirements. I just wish me and my friends didn't have to be victims of circumstance.
Disclaimer, this is not about art schools (however mine sucked) but about the identity question. Although not a visual artist, the writer Roald Dahl, only used the name Dahl and was an incredibly successful writer with children's books and very macabre, disturbing adult stories.
There's a mayonaisse brand in Japan called "Kewpie", and they even use a little doll / baby in their logo. Now I know where that comes from. Weird.
Yes! Please do the podcast on how to make your own curriculum
im in parsons in New York and I definitely feel the majority of my classes are not serving me, which means they are wasting my most valuable things: time and money
😊 You're Hot Cheetoe issue reminds me of my bacon issues. I have Gallbladder problems when I eat fatty meats and certain oils. I chose to change my diet instead of getting surgery. Thanks for your stories. Your an inspiration.
One thing to keep in mind is that norms change as old generations die out and new ones replace them. Things that are okay now for many were nowhere near okay before, and by the time you actually become a professional, a problem might already eliminate itself.
Dr. Seuss also tried to make erotic illustrations at one point, but he can only draw in the one style, so they kind of came out surreal, and I don't think they actually got published.
The lorax hentai 😳
@@gamingrex2930 😍
Stan, try 'The Jolly Postman' and 'The Jolly Christmas Postman' by Allan Allberg for Cooper - the book has a lot of stuff he can interact with, and envelopes to open so the child can participate in. I had it when I was the same age and loved it. Hope it's available in the US as it seems to be what you're looking for.
I don't know about that Kim jun go part. I don't think most people associates him with erotic art. When you ask an artist do you know who Kim Jung Gi is most people wouldn't answer "Oh yeah that artist that draw those erotic nude art right." So saying that major brands still hire him even though he's been associated with edgy erotic art isn't really true. Major brands know him as the popular artist that draws really well from imagination.
On 32:00, young students don't have the ability to do that. Because if you drop out of school for ANY reason as a financially dependent person, you're seen as a failure. Parents would rather force you to finish a school and assume that when you say it's not helping you, you don't know what's good for you or that it's a lack of your own ability to learn, than to say that the school isn't doing a good job. If you're older, you can do that. Although at that point you can also probably afford far better learning options where you self-study for free or get mentored 1-on-1 or they pay YOU to make things that also further your expertise. Which is a sad thing because it allows an ineffective system to stay in place, but that's how it is and all we can do is force a change by encouraging young people to take advantage of those other opportunities, which is exactly what's happening right now.
Only added this long comment to say that telling young people to force their educators hand is somewhat unrealistic although I don't think you 're wrong to say it either! In fact artists who did go to uni or college say the same, that you should make sure that you ask your questions and mine your teachers for info and use your times for learning and not just grades because it tends to take time for 1st year students to realize that you're allowed to do that (because of how much higher education differs from secondary education).
I am really looking forward to an episode on designing your own art education. Some of us come late to the game!
Maybe not exactly fitting but there is an interesting article about the conflict between today's kids TV show and their omnipresence on the web concerning rule 34 artists who are partly acknowledged by the show creators, written by Brazy Day on Medium.
As for me: I run two different twitter accounts and galleries for SFW/NSFW with different names. More for demographic reasons, since my art and design mentor recommended this as a strategy to me years ago so it would be more effective to achieve a good reach for different kind of content and demands. She liked my down-to-earth style but she was also aware of my NSFW portfolio since she also learned that I am working as a freelancer in this specific sector and got a lot of benefits from my commissions. Apart from that I don't make a secret of my more questionable content. Quite the opposite. Most of my close friends know that this was my personal way to earn money while keeping my passion + When people want to meet me or get to know me better at some point I tell them about the other stuff I do since it's important to me that they have a clear picture of my taste and my view regarding morals or my responsibility with media. I want to reduce a big negative backlash in case of an exposure in the future but more importantly I don't want to put close friends completely off in such a case because they might have another impression of me.
Except Kim-Jung-Gi is a world famous industry veteran, and like most famous people he gets a free pass for pretty much everything. You cannot apply the same rules on the people at the top of the industry like you do on the average person. Yes, I know that is not fair but that is reality, that is how the world works.
I'll tell you what I have always hated. Art in high school being the first thing affected and belittled and sports and band are the most important prominent priority.
I Love the Idea of Having a podcast of "school as project!" All tips for self-teaching/Studying
There is an interesting tool to do your abstract composing of your stuff called neurographics. this is an art therapy tool and for training and meditation, it is a very nice thing to use. it also can be used for organizing your mind and things, ideas, time. Unfortunately, most information about it is in Russian, but there are some specialists in this topic who speak English.
I would like to add some contemporaries who I know off the top of my head who work professionally and have also created risqué art without separating their name and face from it: Michelle Lam - made a whole video about a sketchbook filled with lewd art and also worked on a children's animation project for Netflix among others, Ashley Wood - publicly makes mature art and worked on the Metal Gear Solid comics, Stjepan Sejic - has a self written, illustrated, and now digitally published comic about BDSM and also has done cover illustrations for companies like Critical Role, Kinuko Cartwright - has a patreon for her lewd art and also animates for Skullgirls. All of this to say, take whatever precautions make YOU comfortable, but you might find they aren't as necessary as they once were. Times are changing and people are more and more open to the idea of artists having more mature work in their repertoire. That in mind, consider who you want to work for. Dark Horse comics probably won't mind, but a children's book publisher might. Good luck everyone!
45:00 i made my little brother interested in reading books by, making it fun: i pich my voice differnt for ever character, and he always has his character that only he is alowed to read. I sit with him every day for half an hour to an hour. We got though lord of the rings, the art of learnig and many many micky mouse comics
I absolutely regret my college illustration degree.
Marshall: it's like when we did that episode on drugs
that sounds totally bad lol
"Hopefully there is an advertiser this episode."
*half a second later
"This episode is brought to you by the Proko figure drawing course."
I'm looking forward to Art school as a project proposed topic by Marshall.
I feel bad for Marshall not being included in the stuff part of "family and stuff" :(
no one:
Proko: PETE'S A PIZZA!!!!!
Jokes aside, I really love your podcast and I still can't believe I'm learning all of this for free! Thanks for this!!
The problem with having erotic art and do children's books illustration is that in this era the children can google and if the find the name of the artist and want more about it they will find stuff that probably is not adequate for their age. Even if they are really small and their parents want to google more about it...
I have kind of the same problem because my brand is associated with the design and I don't feel free to post any shit. :/ so I just using this gisisodia as random bullshit concerned with my art/craft and other stuff.
How many children do you know that google the artist of a children’s book?
Being open with politically incorrect views on social media is probably a lot more risky than doing fetish art could ever be.
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟😁! Loved listening. Good content, nice energy and dynamics👍
I also listened to Darknet diaries! I just hooked to the podcast too last week!
Best intro ever Marshall
as a student, it is difficult to know if the instructor is going to be a good fit for your education especially if you don't know if what they're teaching is going to be something that will benefit your learning (or not). There is a lot of faith that many students put in their instructor, the direction of the course(s), and the system everything is structured in. I might know on a few people out of hundreds that are in a course of educational programs who actually know exactly what direction they want to take and how they are going to get there. The vast majority are looking for direction and the tools to get there, hoping the entire time that the system will get them there. It's not until you're embedded in the system (and debt) with years of sacrifice until you finally get a glimpse of direction it's taking you. Many instructors will say to just have faith it the process and that it will get you where you want to go. They actually believe in the process, reinforce it , and push it to their students. If there is a way to know this stuff before it even begins, it is not taught. It's a fundamental flaw in the entire process.
considering the topic in the midpoint, I remember concepts like line and value, etc were covered in an introductory 2D Design class before classes on observational drawing were taken (or at least more advanced ones)
I love the email at the beginning of the video bc even tho I haven't ever applied for a job illustrating or writing story books or anything I've often worried about the topic of having risque stuff in my portfolio if I ever did. and pen names make me nervous bc eventually fans want to see your face or do meet and greets and book signings!
i never expected that thumbnail from you
im soo happy.
Oh wow... totally up my alley... I’m on the same boat of having an alias for my nsfw art. And when you’re in this field you also get To know quite a few people who do nsfw art on the side as well separate from their children’s / commercial work.
I adored Feed when I read it in high school - it came out in 1999 for those wondering the context. But for me, the message was preaching to the choir. Also I'm just here for Marshall, does he ever do his own thing?
This is so weird. I've been considering making an alias lately.
Right? I have been really thinking about it lately too. As a writer and an artist both.
For my art education experience, I'm in a school where the visual arts department cares more about concept than traditional observational drawings and such. We would usually have a certain topic and we have to make art for it without much practice or teaching. That was pretty much the extent of my art class experience. It's certainly more boring than enjoyable, since it requires me to use a lot of different mediums without spending enough time on one, as well as drag me away from getting to illustrate more.
Ok the thumbnail alone made me fall over laughing! The faces are so great!
The thumbnail and episode title had me very worried, but this ended up being pretty wholesome.
Very interested in the art self-education curriculum
Hi Stan! Hi Marshall!
Why is discussion of sex and erotica in art so taboo?
There is not a lot of qualitative information (tutorials) on the Internet about this topic and only a few artists.
Is there a written book: "Human sex for artists"?
Sincerely,
Google Translator.
Best thumbnail ever