I think you're missing a huge chunk of the point here. It's not JUST that there are similarities and patterns between Christianity and several other cultures and religions. It's also the question of WHY there are so many patterns and similarities. Why are there the same number of apostles as months of the year, or signs of the zodiac? Why are there the same number of days before Jesus is resurrected as the number of days the sun sits lowest in the horizon? Why do we celebrate Jesus's birthday on the winter solstice, when he's represented by the symbol of Pisces? And why are these patterns and similarities being passed down for centuries, long before Jesus, and by SEVERAL different cultures around the world? This is no mere coincidence. The great flood in the story of Moses has also been told of by other cultures around the world throughout history. Geologists and archaeologists have all but put a date on when it occured. We know this to be true. So what else are these ancient stories trying to tell us about ourselves and our past?
I recommend C.S, Lewis to you and all who wrestle with the fact that Christian patterns show up in other religions, myths and cultures. For Lewis, it would be a serious problem is Christianity did not "show up elsewhere". For him, Christianity answered these questions, “Where has religion reached its true maturity? Where, if anywhere, have the hints of all Paganism been fulfilled?” But don't take my word for, (re)read Lewis.
@@thomasketterhagen7874 far be it from me to challenge the writings of an Oxford scholar who wrote the Chronicles of Narnia, but his theological works were seriously biased and hadn't the knowledge of more modern archeological discoveries. That being said, he makes innumerable connections between Christianity and science. Quite beautifully, I might add. But this, from a mindset of faith in unknown unknowns, creates a biased perspective that contradicts logic. If you seek to find truth in what you already believe, it's easy to find what your looking for. Call it selective discovery. But will you see the real story? Or just the one you were hoping to find?
@@thomasketterhagen7874 Well sure, of course they're afflicted. Both agnostics and atheists have a predetermined view of which all are solely based on assumptions, not logic or known fact. Thus the difference between truth and fact. Truth is relative, facts are absolute..
It’s amazing how much content Bishop Barron packs into this brief talk. Literature, history, philosophy, theology, mythology, all focused like a laser on current errors of thinking and misrepresentations of Christianity. A master teacher and apologist.
BINGO…thus the 3 letters found under the KROSS “IHS” go back and look…IHS literally stands for ISIS, HORUS, SET; SUN Worshiping on SUN-day.. paganism all imbedded in their FAKE CHURCHES found everywhere. As a matter FACT, SUN DISC is place in front Center on top of EVERY CHURCH BUILDING! 🧐
@@MrUmiramontes I follow my own path and no church can convince me to do anything more then what I know and have seen. All that church is comes down to power and money. And I myself have seen the flaws in both church and man. All I feel is pain for this human race and I can't wait to go home
For the record my friends, the Zeitgeist movies have had more than 100 million views on the net. All the movement wants to do is bring heaven to earth. You will never help mankind within a monetary system. You'll always have greed, hoarding, selfishness, war, corruption, crime etc. Really, isn't it time you researched more about The Zeitgeist Movement? It solves so many problems the world has today. Peace
@@hyfr5272 How do you know God didn't make parallels in the Heavens that affirm the prophecy of Jesus? That's a very poor argument against Christianity. Saying the seasons, sun and stars prove Jesus didn't rise from the dead is so intellectually dishonest. Try actually reading the new testament before saying it's not real. It's ignorant to make assumptions without hearing the whole story.
@@hyfr5272 I fail to see how astrology proves anything other than humans can assign meaning to things with vague language that can be interpretated to mean many different things.
Notice how he keeps repeating the word "myth". Christianity is also a "myth" from a couple thousand years ago put into practice in modern day and absolutely not provable. Science constantly proves it wrong and it loses over a million members a year. Also every religion in the world has intelligent scholars that believe their right and argue it logically from their point of view. The truth is none of them are absolutely right, or everyone would be on-board with it. You can't say the truth is inside this little box just ignore the rest. That's forced ignorance. The real truth includes everything, and every discovery that scientist's make. No one knows the whole truth, thats a fact. Just be a good person, constantly try to better yourself and your knowledge, be kind and compassionate and live your life without fear. All will be well.
@@J.D.Mc. saying the life, death and resurrection of an actual human called Jesus from Nazareth is a myth goes against even what the most studious of agnostics have found when they tear into the evidence of that time period.
@@peytonl2976 A man, "normal" man, your precious jesus of nazareth, was a middle eastern man who went and studied Buddhism for many years. (There is actual proof of that in india) Afterwards he left and returned home with the goal to teach the teaching of Buddha to his people. The man who you call jesus was a real person. But there is NOTHING to prove the myths behind anything else. Myths and legends were created to further an agenda of controlling the masses by turning many religions into one and use fear of damnation as a tool. There are many ancient temple's in Greece, does that mean that the story's of their gods were real? Just because the place exists and heracules was a real documented man doesn't mean the story of him being the son of a god are real. All judeo-christian-cathlolic type religions are based on myths that are not provable, hence reinforcing my original message. The man existed, everything else is just myth.
I was brainwashed in college with this movie by many professors now I look back in anger at all the lies I was fed in college about religion, history and politics realizing I paid for half of an education and the other half was indoctrination.
Even if Zeitgeist attempted to brainwash people, so does every religion out there. The way that nowadays you can actually easily prove lots of stuff related to our existence, biological and phisical heritage and how it assertively contradicts religion is no other than the ultimate proof that you're good enough to live this life and walk this world by yourself.
I was one of you guys for all my life, but this guys are pushing lies and move their agenda. The argument is to question religion, history and the establishment etc but then you stop right there, question this guys also they are not holy entities of truth and you will see how full of it they are.
Souds like your professors tried to give you a balanced perspective by showing you information you wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise. And like you've been indoctrinating yourself instead ever since.
I think the movie is having a great comeback because tons of people are questioning all religions and the dogma they preach. So, the majority of these people are becoming more spiritual and thinking in a sense of a universal consciousness. I think this is happening because as possibly put forth in the movie that all religions are also about money and power and even becoming a political force to push a certain agenda. This creates a constant division among the human race and basically creates a road block for us as all humans to evolve into a higher, more intelligent, species to make our home (the earth) a better place for future generations. Just my opinion, but if this road block is not opened, the future could become a very dismal place, and our home (the earth) will deteriorate to a total wasteland that will not be inhabitable.
Is this movie having a comeback? I’d like to hope so. But from what I see, even the more intelligent of the most popular TH-camrs infecting peoples minds all have a Christian bent. We’ve lost Hitchens and the like are out of fashion. It’s actually feeling like we’re going backward. I’ll show the religion portion of Zeitgeist to devout Christians and it makes zero impression. It’s not even interesting or comprehensible to them. Maybe certain groups throughout history understood that most people are sheep and there to be led. In which direction is at the discretion of the nature of the herder. And well, we know what power does. Is this dynamic really escapable? Will everyone actually evolve or turn toward actual enlightenment? Doesn’t seem they want to.
Jesus Christ is not a religion. Religions are man made and are used to control human beings. The problem then as now, is that there are far too many people who follow other men and the universal consciousness one is the promotion of a one world religion by the UN. All very real and happening as we speak. Science shows that the human is degenerating with every mutation that is occuring in their bodies which proves we are not improving but devolving. This is the reason for the transhuman movement that many people also buy into. But Jesus Christ said they are all thieves and murderes and liars. You will never go wrong if you cling to Jesus Christ in the very fast changing world. You have to stop drinking the coolaid. The cool aid is that polio vaccine that released the virus of cancer into the world. Take a look at Dr Mary's Monkey.
@@sylviablack4935 yeah, at this point I think a majority of people fear their mortality so much. Also such desperation in the world makes people long for these things. I always dream of Star Trek days. Religion abolished via enlightenment, war is outdated cause resources are so well shared, everyone working on what they love to do. Maybe some day👍
Humans could have up to a few billion years to realise the only way for the human race is to leave Earth before the Sun burns us up. Interesting to think it will be the Sun that ends life on Earth as it nears the end of it's life. Will we still be worshipping the Sun god's as things start to heat up in billions of years? Probably. Maybe religion, through looking inwards at ourselves, rather than outwards to exploring space will be what ends the human race
@@ayshenirfan2511 still made sense, any1 can disagree with anything. If ud like to get a more in depth look at what hes talking about check out zeitgeist debunked and no its not christians just saying they disagree, theres no smart ass mentality,its not preachy also takes what non believers whom have knowledge in fields have to say, hope this message finds u havn a good day
Yeah... The main symmetry that the movie was outlining about religion is based on astrology. It is well known that one trick of improving your memory is to imagine fictional characters within and surrounding the details of the objective information that is being preserved.
@@thomascurtis9630 The Christian mythology is different because they cleverly wrote themselves into history. Nobody else wrote anything about Jesus when he was to have been alive.
Excellent video, Bishop Robert Barron. I agree with you. I am a Jewish Catholic Christian who has studied- and continues to study- Theology (Patrology, Christology, Ecclesiology, missiology, theological anthropology, etc), Philosophy, Early Church History, Hebrew, Latin and Greek. It has become evident in my discussions with people that they don't know the fundamental distinction between Mythology and Biblical history. Together with You, I am prepared to engage with anyone who is willing to learn and know the difference.
I'm an Atheist, but am open to hearing what you mean by people confusing mythology and biblical history. I think it's absurd to claim nothing in the bible happened, but it's equally absurd to take everything the bible says as historical fact. Most history books in general are pretty bad at really telling us what happened, considering there's always a person writing them with their own agendas and biases, so that alone would make people doubt the validity of religious scripture. Mythologies like the Greeks and Romans are quite similiar in regard about having true history, mixed with stories that never happened. That's why people to this day believe there's an Atlantis. But the story of Troy, while originally thought to be fabricated, is now widely accepted as probably happening. I'm not sure exactly what you mean though, so please explain if you have the time.
That's not true. There are no original texts from the period that even mention him.. Best you have is a copy (which was controlled by the church) which makes reference to an anointed one.
+Ian Brobst do your homework b4 u make such a claim u sound ignorant.... u just heard somebody else who sounded smart say it and now ur repeating.... Josephus, Tatius, Babalon talumat, thoer are abt 4 or 5 more roman historian and 3 other greek historian that spoke of him if u took the time to look... they actrually got more independent seperate sources for Jesus than they do most Ceasars....
Rusty, I find the debate about Jesus is won or lost at the definition of Jesus. My Jesus is defined by all 27 books in the New Testament. On page 23 of Jesus Interrupted, Bart Erhman notes the discrepancy in the birth narratives of Matt and Luke. Matthew says Jesus was born in 4 b.c. or earlier. Luke says Jesus was born in 6 or 7 a.d. This Jesus cannot possibly exist because he has 2 different birth years separated by at least 10 years. Nobody, not even Jesus, can have 2 different birth years.
@@brobsty1856 what?!! No original texts? That's like saying 2+2=50 or that Neil Armstrong never landed on the moon, because there is no proof. That is just downright and demonstrably false!!!! I am a Jewish Catholic Christian who has studied Theology, Philosophy, Biblical theology and exegesis, the Church Fathers, and History; and I'm telling you as a matter of fact that Jesus of Nazareth did exist and is a real historical figure, who was born, lived, was crucified, died and buried, and rose again (the only person ever, by the way) from the dead and ascended into Heaven. Apart from the historical accounts of the 4 gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, go back a little to the epistles of St. Paul, which precede the Gospels, as well as the epistles of St. Peter, and the letters of St. John. Moreover, outside the bible of epistles, do yourself a favour and read the antiquities of the Roman Jewish historian Josephus, and see that even he affirms that Jesus really did exist and was crucified.
RELIGIOUS BRAINWASH IS A TERRIBLE THING IN THIS PLANET AND IF WE CONTINUE BELIEVING IN LITTLE ANGLES AND SAINTS , WE WILL NEVER EVOLVE AND HAVE PEACE AMONG US.
As a confirmed catholic, but not an active participant, I found that the "Movie" raised the same questions that I had as a child and young adult. This Bishop did nothing to sway my mind. I am not an atheist, but I have always questioned the motives and purpose of the catholic church. The "movie" gave me many questions that I need to research, but his Bishop gave me no new leads or new way of thinking that is lacking in the church today. Believe what we say or go to hell.... Well, I may go to hell, but at least I will be well informed before my destiny awaits.
Everything comes down to seeking personal relationship with God. Astrology is a language of archetypes the church is 11th House. Just a community and entry way from zero to knowledge. To pass knowledge into spirituality and truth of 12th house is complete surrendering and being shown directly from God. But surrender takes faith. I'm also cradle Catholic too. Just my own take on things. I've explored quite a bit too. Cheers
I read the ancient Egyptian book of the dead in an elective at Univ. of Michigan and Zeitgeist was pretty spot-on when they pointed out the direct, line for line copying of the old Egyptian statements of virtue during the weighing of the heart and the rules laid out in the ten commandments. What I found particularly striking is that there is so much direct word for word exact facsimile.
What about the so called "aprokypha"books, deleted from the old testament??.. oh that's right modern Christianity doesn't recognize that they were books of the bible, yet some say found together with Dead Sea Scrolls, and yet they were taken out of the Old Testament.... explain that one.
@@wilzpenitent1355 I cant say I'm necessarily educated on them, but a thought does come to mind: what if they also found some gum wrappers in there? Would the serving size be part of the Bible? I think contextual and apostolic authority comes into play for the apologetics of canonization, especially in regards to Christocentricisim of the actual Bible. If Jesus or his disciples acknowledged them as truth and or taught them...-canon. If not, we have to go by how trustworthy the copies are, and theres a whole process for that including cross-referencing. I'm pretty sure there are even some writings of the disciples that got left out because they weren't necessarily revolving around God's word, if Im not mistaken. I dont mean any disrespect either, if it comes off that way.
@@zentark360 , it's all good, my problem is when you find these same or similar accounts being generated from civilizations that had no contact with Christianity, or otherwise, I mean, its not so much that these ancient accounts came from different parts of the globe, where people on a said part didn't even know there was a another part of the planet for people to even exist on, yet they manifested similar stories. Christianity talks about angels that were cast out, came down and made love with human women, thus the Nephilim were born, where the ancient Hopi spoke of the "sky people" that came down and made love to human women as well, for example. All myth, i believe, is based on truth. There's an old saying from New York City, there ain't that much coincidence in the world.
So 4 guys writing about their time with Jesus and accounts from his other friends and countless people who have seen Jesus is just some myth, a person who historically existed and accounted for? I would get the argument that he wasn't a miracle worker or the messiah or the son of god, but no, not this.
@@theredcomet844 There is no historical evidence that Jesus was a real person. Also, people in older times understood that Jesus wasn't a real person. They thought he was literally the sun. Now we know better, but he still wasn't a real person.
@@littlemonsters19d So all of the non bias non Jewish historians at the time who studied events for the means of preserving a real history are just fibbing?
@@littlemonsters19d when did people believe jesus was the sun? Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidences. Jesus mythicism is so hilariously bad that even influential atheist scholars in the world of scholary circlejerking mocks your movement. Ehrman surveys the arguments Christ mythicists have made against the existence of Jesus since the idea was first mooted at the end of the 18th century. To the objection that there are no contemporary Roman records of Jesus' existence, Ehrman points out that such records exist for almost no one and there are mentions of Christ in several Roman and Jewish works of history from only decades after the Crucifixion of Jesus, such as Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews and Tacitus's Annals.[1][3] The author states that the authentic letters of the apostle Paul in the New Testament (which Ehrman believes are 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, 1 Corinthians, Philippians, Philemon, 2 Corinthian and Romans) were likely written within a few years of Jesus' death and that Paul likely personally knew James the Just and Peter the Apostle.[2] Although the gospel accounts of Jesus' life may be biased and unreliable in many respects, Ehrman writes, they and the sources behind them which scholars have discerned still contain some accurate historical information.[1][3] So many independent attestations of Jesus' existence, Ehrman says, are actually "astounding for an ancient figure of any kind".[2]
Mine's not a myth. As C.S. Lewis said, "those who think that Christianity is one more myth haven't read many myths." Compare "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" to "when Quirinius was governor of Syria" and you'll begin to grasp the relevant distinction.
This is why Christianity is falling apart these days. And more & more being are becoming spiritual. I don't need to believe in foolish things like someone talking to a burning bush or that death came creepy through the night killing all the first born babies. I'm to old to believe in that non sense. I used to be a Christian but with wisdom & age I became a spiritual person. No one is better then anyone. Every person,plant & animal are connected...were all one. And the sooner that people realize this the better off we'll all be. Enough killing in the name of God. We need to respect this world & everything in it. I feel some of these dogma ways are dangerous. And are holding the human race back. And the designer/God/nature if you will...who am I to say he or she is from this religion or that religion. Do you see how silly that sounds. Or out of past Religions to say these are fake ones but this religion is real deal. Come on now lol. Like the Gnostic Bible says you don't need a church or religious person to talk to god. I believe that the spark of a light is in us all no matter what religion or other belief they have.
Fr. Barron is true on that. I recommend all to look up Egyptian book of the dead, what is the primary source of Egyptian mythological research, or the Egyptian hieroglyphics. You will find NO TRACE whatever about Horus being born in the cave, star announcing of Horus birth, three wise men, that his father was Joseph (Seb), being baptized, having 12 disciples, having sermon on the mount, transfiguration on the mount, his crucifiction, his reigning for 1000 years etc...
Yes, but Zeitgeist is very literal in the comparison. They actually say...born on December 25, to virgin, resurrected. This is just not true. Why couldn't they have just said "it's a similar story". Instead they deliberately lied. I'm an atheist btw, in case it makes any difference
@@THUMBSUPBITCHify I love how this video uses a picture of white jesus. Smh this guys using the bible to prove the bible. Show me witnesses outside of the bible.
@@redone3302 sure, josephus, tacticius, numerous eyewitnesses and etc. remember there are more records of jesus christ than julius caesar, and if you think jesus did not exist then you should also ask if obama did not exist.
@@icrushchildrensdreams4556 Josephus was a roman propagandist who betrayed his people to save his own neck. Josephus talks about the Christos not jesus christ, there is a big difference. There is absolutely not more evidence to show the existence of christ than julius caesar, that is an absolutely ridiculous statement. The only "proof" of the literary Jesus is in the bible, that's it. "I should ask myself if Obama existed", there is so much wrong with that comparison it's almost infantile in its logic. Sorry man, the bible is very unreliable in many ways.
The comments section is full of triggered Zeitgeist fanboys who won't open their minds. Did you know that a group of Skeptics have already refuted the movie?
Jack Cimino, Can you show me 1 Zeitgeist Debunker that looked at the 197 footnoted in the Zeitgeist Transcript? Thus, it has not been "honestly" debunked. In contrast, Zeitgeist has been "Queefed." A bunch of pussies blew hot air at it. Perhaps a new Zeitgeist movie should come out and claim that Jesus is Satan. Now open your bible and prove with historical evidence that Jesus is not Satan. For example, The Virgin Birth, prove that beyond any reason to doubt. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I find it Reasonable to Doubt that a pregnant woman is a virgin because she is fucking pregnant, and one gets pregnant by fucking. Lastly, Don't be hate'n because you worship Satan.
Jack Cimino there are parts of Zeitgeist that have been debunked, this doesn’t mean that everything in Zeitgeist is now false. To believe so is it be fallacious. There are many traditions in Catholicism pulled from ancient texts such as; the Christmas tree or pine tree ornaments which dates back to Scandinavian, Japanese, Egyptian religions.. which ironically the Bible strictly denounced the use of in the book of Jeramiah. There are countless born of virgin stories, healers of the blind and sick, and risers of the dead. The Catholic Church in particular also chose the usage of saints and to put them in statue form to get originally, the Romans, to accept a monotheistic religion for the first time. The saints just simply took the place of pagan gods.. Saints of travel, hunting, battle etc. just bc parts are untrue, doesn’t mean you get to move on. Father Baron is extremely disingenuous when it comes to approaching this in a critical way.. it should be clear. He’s not addressing the true parts of the documentary.
Bishop, Jesus is a mystic figure to me and nothing you said evidences or bamboozles me to "believe" otherwise. Give it up and do humanity a favor. Thanks
Quotings would make a comment too long, so I'll just say that the "Companion Source Guide" that is available on .pdf on the official website of Zeitgeist, the Movie explains and addresses this in much detail. I'm mostly referring to the story of Horus as well as the other solar gods mentioned. For anybody who is open minded, that source material is worth checking out before making a judgment
@melvin Edwards yes, he existed. where's the controversy? an old conspiracy video puts out a theory which has been debunked. I linked books by scholars, debates, even an extensive atheist website that take better versions of the "theory" apart. this makes you angry? welcome to the internet.
That's only because you didn't get it. The best argument for Christianity is that it's origins are historically traceable. Something happened 2000 years ago that made people die for it, travel the known world for it in great peril, and that changed the history of mankind. You could claim coincidence, but it is far more compelling than the conflation with resurrection myths that Zeitgeist bullshit tries to insinuate.
All religions claim to have the real God... however the church, which is the oldest power organization in the world worked together with the crown to take away wealth and strip away other cultures of their medicines/gods and a way of living. In the name of God, Christianity justified death/abuse, even the KKK is a Christian organization that used to burn crosses justifying death and cruel torture. I prefer the world we had before we were brainwashed with the colonial church... we used to have a world in respect with nature. I have ZERO respect based on the history of Christianity in which men used it to justify hatred/torture and psychological destruction to others. ZERO respect for their followers. I do like the universal teaching of Jesus though, the ones that parallels with love and compassion. If your church is used to oppress others or to justify abuse, that is not my church.
@@utube321go that is a rather shortsighted approach. you know very well that that everything you describe has been done and is still being done in large scales without any religious background, just look at the soviet union. No Christianity there, except among its victims. So maybe don't blame the faith next time, but human nature, the very thing the faith inherently wants to cultivate to avoid that kind of suffering, despite being abused as a power tool all over history.
@Damien6ix The Gospels were written within a few decades of the events they describe. The epistles of Paul were even earlier. Jesus' existence is attested to by Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger. Real people went to their deaths defending the dense historical claims made about Jesus. Las time I checked, no one has died to defend the historicity of Frankenstein!
So therefore, that's why you see only several writings with "Jesus" in them. No one cared and still to this point people still don't. Thank God that the Old and New Testament's were preserved. Now individuals are without excuse. God Bless!!
yet he conveniently leaves out that no historians in the area at the time and after Jesus' life recorded nothing of a man named Jesus who was born of a virgin and can do magic tricks. Hardly unbiased if it's coming from a priest anyway this is just a video for people who want to hear what they want and not the truth
Jerome Beards why not make it a bit longer then? and I get where you're coming from but it's not really the same, a priest will defend Christian beliefs but a Muslim imam will defend Islamic beliefs but an atheist has no religious ties and is free to look at each with an open mind and without bias, if it was a religious scholar then what you'd be saying would be spot on.
@Drarkhan Well, friend, I have a doctorate in theology from the Institut Catholique de Paris, I've been a professor of theology for twenty years, and I've written ten books on theology and spirituality.
i also found the part in Zeitgeist with the zodiacs - and the simple assertion: that's exactly like Christinaity very simplistic - but from what i gathered really serious scholars see a lot of parallels with other stories too - whe mustn't forget that the ppl. writing the NT - where educated greeks who had acces to and where influenced by jewish, greek and eastern knowledge/tradition/philosphy - so unless one is a literalist, those parallels don't surprise
Why do you write off four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the book of Revelation, and all of Paul's epistles as entires non-historical? And religion allows no room for logic?! You are hereby commanded to read the first thirteen questions of Aquinas's Summa theologiae.
I saw the first movie and loved it but I don't think a lot of people took it seriously. remember Peter Joseph the man who made the movie says it was just a movie nothing more you know something he researched and made in his spare time and didn't think it would be taken seriously. just search his name and many people asks him about it and he answers the best one is Joe Rogan that interviews him.
Well, that's just a tad dogmatic, don't you think? Joseph Campbell argued that myths perform three basic functions: cosmic, psychological, and social. Many of them operate at all three levels at the same time. That said, the Bible is not primarily mythic in form, for it reports an historical revelation. It is compatible with many of the myths and contains some mythic elements, but it is, essentially, other than myth.
@Fionabuster D. No he doesn't. presumably you're from America, where this strange, particular protestant fundementalism crops up frequently for historical reasons. If you read the early Church Fathers they're not saying the scriptures should be read literally all the time (some parts are literal, some aren't). The best way to get your relatives to see sense is to show them how accepting things like evolution isn't actually a threat to Christianity
A great, but yet too short, honest, serious scholarly, rooted to facts and plainly speaking the truth. Unfortunately it's not sensationalism, and I know from half my life as an unbeliever myself that before I got "eyes" able to see with, I was uncritically lying to myself if that was beneficial to me and whatever I wanted to believe. I had no idea about the truths in the Paul's letters to the Romans, of how our heart condemn or not our actions, words and thoughts, according to the truth, so I really had no idea of the light of truth, and in fact I did avoid it, I hated Christianity and Jesus, until the day I realized the truth and found salvation. So sadly this video is barely viewed through 10 years, and those that don't want to believe don't see the pearls being tossed in their direction, they don't know anything holy, and will be satisfied by rather holding onto lies, since in darkness they can live in sin. Realize that this is a life that lead to damnation. There won't be any time right before death where your mind will be filled with clear ideas, and where you have time to consider Jesus or not. If you are called upon by Jesus, and you know he is knocking on the door, then it might just be your only chance. This is something clear from the bible, that seek God while He is near.
@@redone3302 proof for christianity is not restricted to the bible, numerous archeological sites and historical documents prove that the events in the bible happened.
@영원한 대한민족 that's absolutely false. 💯 Chasing ideas you can't prove you believe is requisite for liberalizing or looting finite natural resources including labor as a resource. This is why the planet melts.
@Drarkhan The first Gospel, Mark's, was written around the year 70 and the last Gospel, John's was written between 90 and 100, putting the latest Gospel within, at most, 70 years of Jesus' resurrection. And these were all based upon a very careful tradition of oral conveyance. Lots of history books are written 30 or 40 or 50 years after the events they describe and no one automatically thinks that they are just distortions.
Bishop... The movie states to not look at the MINOR differences in the stories. But PAY ATTENTION TO THE NUMBERS IN THE STORY. You are purposely OBFUSCATING the important details.
You would be able to read all about it if your Emperor Constantine didn't burn it all. do your research. I agree about the fear monger element and the 9 11 hysteria but you have only cherry picked your attack and not defended your stance at all. Hope you could answer the direct bible quotes about bulls and goats and fishes and bread??????? Mathew 28 20: teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. Luke 22 10 Where do You want us to prepare it?” they asked. He answered, “When you enter the city, a man carrying a jug of water will meet you. Follow him to the house he enters, and say to the owner of that house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room,
But contemporaries? Sure. Sts. Matthew, John, Jude, and Peter. St. Peter so believed that the history that he witnessed and wrote to be authentic that he was willing to die for it. Yes, of course these were all Christians. That doesn't matter. It does not justify doubt about the overall veracity of their writing (i.e. the existence of a dude named Jesus). There would be little reason for St. Peter to have been willingly crucified on behalf of a story that he just imagined up. (2/2)
I was a member of the Zeitgeist movement until about one year ago. But as I began to study my new roommate was very catholic and I tried to bring him to atheism. I wanted to prove to him that there is no god, so I agreed to come with him to Medjugorje (place of pilgrimage). As you all know Jesus has a great sense of humor, and well instead of convincing him ... Jesus showed me that almost everything I ever did was wrong. Now I'm even considering to become a priest. He is the good shepherd.
Bishop Barron you are a incredible person full of knowledge // this is just a sincere question // could it be possible that these stories could have been predicting the coming of Christ but we cant piece them together because of the difference in language and culture ??
Mythology is very obvious. The Bible is not written that way. This copycat theory has been debunked for so long I physically cringe when people wheel in this Reddit take.
Check Hinduism for the originals 😆😆 The Zeitgeist is a Christian propaganda so that they can use it to say that claims made against Christianity are debunked. I knew it because all these evidence that proved the Bible God fake wasn't included: 1) Jesus similarities with Buddha. Maya to Mary, miracle pregnancy to virgin pregnancy, birth during a journey home to from on water, Gautama left the palace at age 29 and Jesus appeared at 29, Gautama became Buddha at 35 and Jesus died and resurrected at around 35, Buddha had a big meal while Jesus had a last supper before they died, after they passed away, 500 arahants witnessed compilation of Buddha's teachings and over 500 witnesses to Jesus's resurrection etc. All coincidental ? Beside Buddha, Jesus was also found to be copied from other figures. Surely they can't be ALL coincidental. 2) Many of the Bible's mythologies was copied from older pagans, Greek, Egyptian or Hinduism religions(note the names too) E.g. Adam & Eve from Atman and Jiva, big flood and survivor Noah/3 sons same as Manu/3 daughters although cause of flood is different, Abraham and wife/sister Sarah from Brahma and Saraswathi, Moses from Krishnu, all similar stories. Regardless of which religion copied which, it proved this god is NOT the only true god or all mighty as it doesn't makes sense for an ALMIGHTY GOD to create or allow more copies or religions.
@Camal99 I really do love the"people who wanted control" stuff...If you were a bishop, priest, deacon in the first four centuries of Christianity you had a job for life - and that's almost certainly what it would cost you before long...
@bloodrose8790 Well, friend, if I wanted to indicate the difference between, say, Moby Dick and A Thousand Days, I would point to the texts and show how they belong to different genres. There are innumerable signs, inherent in the Biblical texts themselves, which indicate how they are not (for the most part) mythic in character. There is nothing "circular" about this process of demonstration. And if all man made texts are "lies," I'm not sure how you believe any text!
One of the main thing this man is saying is that the other gods weren’t crucified when you don’t have to be nailed to a cross to be crucified. The literal definition of crucification is : extreme and painful punishment, affliction, or suffering. (merriam- webster dictionary) He’s saying these gods we’re crucified because he’s only holding them to christian crucification.
I love how he says, "the concrete evidence of the Gospels". Concrete? It has been proven many times over that they were NOT written by the people whose names they are given. Nothing about the Holy Fairy Tale is concrete. It has more holes than a spaghetti strainer. AND yes there were addition stories' about Jesus, but there are more stories about Jesus as just a man than a deity. He wasn't deified until a bunch of MEN got together and made him that was for a POLITICAL purpose. So to say that the Bible wasn't made for political reasons is untrue. It was created for that specific reason. Politics is control. Christian religion is control. Why do you think one of the first things a politician proclaims is his religion. Politics and Religion go hand in hand.
The Council of Nicea hand picked which books would best fit thenChristian narrative. Then the Bible is edited, re-edited, re-edited, re-edited, and translated into English and then re-edited again. All to fit the narrative. Atheists are funny you say??!! Maybe, but there is something they are not. Intelligence and common sense. Burning bush. Really guys??!! Come on. Parted the Red Sea??!! Come in guys. Born if a virgin? If he was born from a virgin then please tell me how Jesus had older brothers and sisters. He says Horace and others were forced. If that statement is true then one would have to understand through the edits what was edited and what wasn’t edited.
I agree religion is created for control. But the thing is, humans need to be controlled. Humans are not rational creatures. Without control, our world might be completely chaotic.
There over 700 books in the bible , why are they hiding them ? I'm so sick and tired of people calling people that question thing s , " conspires theorists " < a CIA made up term btw > We want the truth, only way to get to the truth is to question. He said Horas father was a God, ok so how many Gods are there ?? Catholic Church says bad things about Mary Magdalene, now I'm hearing she was a beautiful woman inside and out , we need access to all the books of the bible, not the 66 they want us to see
I find the comments here interesting in that they are symptomatic of core beliefs held - not a discussion. I long ago stopped self serving thinking (no jokes please) and began a journey to learn what the best and brightest in history have thought, said, done - my journey, like that of CS Lewis, leads me to the Christian faith - I was amazed how Christianity has shaped our modern world, the majority of science, charity, education, modern morality and law. . . incredible.
My good sir, If you didn’t try to debunk that maybe there would be some who would have little doubt about the zeitgeist, but your debunking made them firm believers in the zeitgeist. You should have left it alone!
@@spencerderosier6649 no evidence for that. Romans 1:25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
@laaaaambofgod, so the discipline on priests in the West can change, but I don't think it will. Many of the Eastern bishops had voted in the 1960s at Vatican II that the West should keep the discipline on celibacy for Latin priests. Such introduces the sense of radical duty to the Church, because they are supposed to be acting in the person of Christ.
Some of these issues have led to injustices, and have been subject to scrutiny by other thinkers e.g. James Alison, Jim Keenan, Richard Rohr, etc. I think these are the places worth inhabiting, and worth providing more discussions here.
Sounds like to me like his argument is these other figures aren’t real because they were fake but Jesus isn’t fake because he was real...That seems like a pretty elementary simplistic argument that doesn’t actual say or prove anything and just says that he believes what he has been told and always believed. But that’s just how it seemed to me.
@laaaaambofgod, perhaps that is one perspective of the Church, but on the alternative might consider it an ideal of modernity that such contemporary trends exhibit and advance in morality or philosophy. I'm not sure what you are referring to in particular but the Church has been very conservative in her nature on account of her belief that she is guarding something very precious, the revealed truths of God. One might understand why she advances slowly as a mother protecting something precious.
Of course a Catholic Priest would disagree with Zeitgeist! Hundreds of scholars are in accord with Zeitgeist. Notice this guy didn’t talk about the Council of Nicaea. He actually reversed everything! Pre 325AD was mythological! And they knew this. Jesus was True in literature only. At the end of the day we all have to make our own assessment & do our own digging. And more importantly look within and asking some serious questions. Question’s of logic & Spirituality.
From: 'The Lost Language of Symbolism' by Harold Bayley; Chapter: King Solomon, pgs145-146 It is well known that in the transition from paganry to Christianity the Christian clergy, finding it impossible to wean the populace from old customs or to eradicate primitive beliefs, discreetly met the situation by diverting pagan festivals to the honour of Christ. It is not so generally known that December 25th, the Christmas Day of Christendom, was necessarily thus fixed for the reason that this date was the birthday of Mithra, and that the obdurate heathen flatly refused to relinquish their cherished festival. It was not until A.D. 400 that the Church Fathers accepted the inevitable and tactfully adopted the Birthday of Mithra as the official Birthday of Christianity. At the beginning of the fifth century S. Chrysostom, referring to the festival of the pagan Sun god, wrote: "on this day also the birthday of Christ was lately fixed at Rome in order that, while the heathens were busy with their profane ceremonies, the Christians might perform their sacred rites undisturbed. They call this (25th December) the birthday of the Invincible One (Mithra); but who is so invincible as the Lord? They call it the birthday of the Solar Disc; but Christ is the Sun of Righteousness." From Chapter: The White Horse, Bayley writes: When Cortez landed in Mexico he reported that "the Devil had positively taught to the Mexicans the same things which God had taught to Christendom," and Tertullian complained with characteristic bitterness that in the mysteries of Mithra the Evil One had: "emulously mimicked" even the precise particulars of the Divine sacraments. We have it on the notable authority of St Augustine that "That very thing which is now designated the Christian Religion was in existence among the ancients, nor was it absent even from the commencement of the human race up to the time when Christ entered into the flesh, after which true religion, which already existed, began to be called Christian."
Anyone else notice that he only chooses 3 of the examples in the movies? But there is literally a list of stories that are similar to Jesus Christ. However, this guy chose the best examples he could to attempt to sway the believers. What about the stories of Mythra, the sun god? I actually learned about the story of Mythra in college, and even my professor debunked Christianity IN CLASS. People will do anything they can to reinforce their life long beliefs. Understandably. I mean, who would really want to accept the fact that their entire life is based on a lie?
Come on friend, that's just silly. This sort of comparison was de-bunked in the 19th century. Myths are set in a timeless zone--"once upon a time" and "in a galaxy far, far away"--but histories are set in particular space and time. Take a look at the beginning of the Gospel of Luke, and you'll see the difference.
this man really went out there and said there are concrete examples of jesus being talked about outside of the bible with no sources or examples outside of other books of the same base scripture that arent used
As Paine said: The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the Sun, and pay him the adoration originally paid to the Sun. It can't be put simpler.
Another mic drop for Father. When I first heard about this argument with horas and Krishna it made me think. So I looked them up for myself. What a joke! The people trying to make comparisons to Christ our God and this trash is laughable. I was embarrassed for Bill Maher and zeitgeist.
@Damien6ix But friend, there is a big difference between accepting death and causing it. That people kill for all kinds of reasons is all too obvious. What's interesting is when they allow themselves to be killed rather than to deny what they believe.
I was raised Catholic. Years of religion classes, I received most of the sacraments, everything. What this movie says about my religion is true. I lost my faith years before I saw this film, and I have become firmly agnostic. This priest is a bootleg pied piper, leading less and less children every day
@laaaaambofgod, with respect to contraception this is simply impossible. Catholics work within the ancient frame of referring to teleology or what the purpose of a thing is, and the purpose of genitalia is the begetting of children. To go contrary to the nature of a human being would be a denigration and lowering of humanity's dignity according to the Church. It is unpopular but the Church's teaching is irreformable, except in some cases i.e having an STD that would severely harm one's spouse.
Come on. The parallels are there with other myths and astrology and that’s ok to acknowledge. If Christianity helps you to be a good person and helps you through life then go for it. Simple...
Robert, Would you be so kind to answer these questions? 1. In your opinion, how old is Earth? 2. How long ago did the Dinosaurs go extinct? 3. How is it that life can go extinct with less then 10,000 of it's species, but the animals on Noah's Ark survived? 4. Did all the Egyptians go to hell because the Jesus story wasn't around and they followed a different God (the Sun)? 5. Do you believe other life to exist elsewhere? Try to answer non-biblically if your capable. Thank you
First of all, there is absolutely no comparison between Christian martyrs, who died rather than to deny their faith, and the September 11th murderers who killed thousands of innocent people. Secondly, there is simply nothing in Islam to compare with the historical claim of the resurrection of Jesus. It is that very definite fact that the first Christian witnesses were proclaiming and defending.
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I think you're missing a huge chunk of the point here. It's not JUST that there are similarities and patterns between Christianity and several other cultures and religions. It's also the question of WHY there are so many patterns and similarities. Why are there the same number of apostles as months of the year, or signs of the zodiac? Why are there the same number of days before Jesus is resurrected as the number of days the sun sits lowest in the horizon? Why do we celebrate Jesus's birthday on the winter solstice, when he's represented by the symbol of Pisces? And why are these patterns and similarities being passed down for centuries, long before Jesus, and by SEVERAL different cultures around the world? This is no mere coincidence. The great flood in the story of Moses has also been told of by other cultures around the world throughout history. Geologists and archaeologists have all but put a date on when it occured. We know this to be true. So what else are these ancient stories trying to tell us about ourselves and our past?
I recommend C.S, Lewis to you and all who wrestle with the fact that Christian patterns show up in other religions, myths and cultures. For Lewis, it would be a serious problem is Christianity did not "show up elsewhere". For him, Christianity answered these questions, “Where has religion reached its true maturity? Where, if anywhere, have the hints of all Paganism been fulfilled?” But don't take my word for, (re)read Lewis.
@@thomasketterhagen7874 far be it from me to challenge the writings of an Oxford scholar who wrote the Chronicles of Narnia, but his theological works were seriously biased and hadn't the knowledge of more modern archeological discoveries. That being said, he makes innumerable connections between Christianity and science. Quite beautifully, I might add. But this, from a mindset of faith in unknown unknowns, creates a biased perspective that contradicts logic. If you seek to find truth in what you already believe, it's easy to find what your looking for. Call it selective discovery. But will you see the real story? Or just the one you were hoping to find?
@@foggy_b2837 Does 'selective discovery' only apply to Christians or are atheist and agnostics equally inflicted?
@@thomasketterhagen7874 Well sure, of course they're afflicted. Both agnostics and atheists have a predetermined view of which all are solely based on assumptions, not logic or known fact.
Thus the difference between truth and fact. Truth is relative, facts are absolute..
Look to the origin of all those stories and you will find the answer. It's all in the sumerian cuneiform tablets of the Annunaki.
It’s amazing how much content Bishop Barron packs into this brief talk. Literature, history, philosophy, theology, mythology, all focused like a laser on current errors of thinking and misrepresentations of Christianity. A master teacher and apologist.
You forgot that they also mention how each religion is timed with the sun and stars..even Christianity
BINGO…thus the 3 letters found under the KROSS “IHS” go back and look…IHS literally stands for ISIS, HORUS, SET;
SUN Worshiping on SUN-day.. paganism all imbedded in their FAKE CHURCHES found everywhere. As a matter FACT, SUN DISC is place in front Center on top of EVERY CHURCH BUILDING! 🧐
@@MrUmiramontes I follow my own path and no church can convince me to do anything more then what I know and have seen. All that church is comes down to power and money. And I myself have seen the flaws in both church and man. All I feel is pain for this human race and I can't wait to go home
For the record my friends, the Zeitgeist movies have had more than 100 million views on the net. All the movement wants to do is bring heaven to earth. You will never help mankind within a monetary system. You'll always have greed, hoarding, selfishness, war, corruption, crime etc. Really, isn't it time you researched more about The Zeitgeist Movement? It solves so many problems the world has today. Peace
What about the comparison of Christianity with astrology?
Who put the stars up?
He says "the heavens proclaim the glory of God"
@@bigol9223 you missed the point lol this is facts you run off faith .the astrology theory beats your book anyday
@@hyfr5272 How do you know God didn't make parallels in the Heavens that affirm the prophecy of Jesus? That's a very poor argument against Christianity. Saying the seasons, sun and stars prove Jesus didn't rise from the dead is so intellectually dishonest. Try actually reading the new testament before saying it's not real. It's ignorant to make assumptions without hearing the whole story.
@@hyfr5272 I fail to see how astrology proves anything other than humans can assign meaning to things with vague language that can be interpretated to mean many different things.
For me it's hard to believe anything today because everyone is lying for one or more reasons. But, normally is for money, power, and influence.
That’s exactly what Christianity has done and been used for. Control.
Notice how he keeps repeating the word "myth". Christianity is also a "myth" from a couple thousand years ago put into practice in modern day and absolutely not provable. Science constantly proves it wrong and it loses over a million members a year. Also every religion in the world has intelligent scholars that believe their right and argue it logically from their point of view. The truth is none of them are absolutely right, or everyone would be on-board with it. You can't say the truth is inside this little box just ignore the rest. That's forced ignorance. The real truth includes everything, and every discovery that scientist's make. No one knows the whole truth, thats a fact. Just be a good person, constantly try to better yourself and your knowledge, be kind and compassionate and live your life without fear. All will be well.
@@sethstarkey5710 this is such a 2-D, 70IQ way of looking at the world.. let me guess you were born in the western world?
@@J.D.Mc. saying the life, death and resurrection of an actual human called Jesus from Nazareth is a myth goes against even what the most studious of agnostics have found when they tear into the evidence of that time period.
@@peytonl2976 A man, "normal" man, your precious jesus of nazareth, was a middle eastern man who went and studied Buddhism for many years. (There is actual proof of that in india) Afterwards he left and returned home with the goal to teach the teaching of Buddha to his people. The man who you call jesus was a real person. But there is NOTHING to prove the myths behind anything else. Myths and legends were created to further an agenda of controlling the masses by turning many religions into one and use fear of damnation as a tool. There are many ancient temple's in Greece, does that mean that the story's of their gods were real? Just because the place exists and heracules was a real documented man doesn't mean the story of him being the son of a god are real. All judeo-christian-cathlolic type religions are based on myths that are not provable, hence reinforcing my original message. The man existed, everything else is just myth.
what saddens me is how many ppl in the comments will just dismiss the information as false & continue lying to themselves.
I was brainwashed in college with this movie by many professors now I look back in anger at all the lies I was fed in college about religion, history and politics realizing I paid for half of an education and the other half was indoctrination.
Even if Zeitgeist attempted to brainwash people, so does every religion out there.
The way that nowadays you can actually easily prove lots of stuff related to our existence, biological and phisical heritage and how it assertively contradicts religion is no other than the ultimate proof that you're good enough to live this life and walk this world by yourself.
Rain Chazzer you were brainwashed long before you knew of Zeitgeists existence.
I was one of you guys for all my life, but this guys are pushing lies and move their agenda. The argument is to question religion, history and the establishment etc but then you stop right there, question this guys also they are not holy entities of truth and you will see how full of it they are.
@@rainchazzer6308 Ohno, you're...you are using... OBJECTIVE CRITICAL THINKING!!!
Souds like your professors tried to give you a balanced perspective by showing you information you wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise. And like you've been indoctrinating yourself instead ever since.
I think the movie is having a great comeback because tons of people are questioning all religions and the dogma they preach. So, the majority of these people are becoming more spiritual and thinking in a sense of a universal consciousness. I think this is happening because as possibly put forth in the movie that all religions are also about money and power and even becoming a political force to push a certain agenda. This creates a constant division among the human race and basically creates a road block for us as all humans to evolve into a higher, more intelligent, species to make our home (the earth) a better place for future generations.
Just my opinion, but if this road block is not opened, the future could become a very dismal place, and our home (the earth) will deteriorate to a total wasteland that will not be inhabitable.
its not at all it..
Is this movie having a comeback? I’d like to hope so. But from what I see, even the more intelligent of the most popular TH-camrs infecting peoples minds all have a Christian bent. We’ve lost Hitchens and the like are out of fashion. It’s actually feeling like we’re going backward. I’ll show the religion portion of Zeitgeist to devout Christians and it makes zero impression. It’s not even interesting or comprehensible to them. Maybe certain groups throughout history understood that most people are sheep and there to be led. In which direction is at the discretion of the nature of the herder. And well, we know what power does. Is this dynamic really escapable? Will everyone actually evolve or turn toward actual enlightenment? Doesn’t seem they want to.
Jesus Christ is not a religion. Religions are man made and are used to control human beings. The problem then as now, is that there are far too many people who follow other men and the universal consciousness one is the promotion of a one world religion by the UN. All very real and happening as we speak. Science shows that the human is degenerating with every mutation that is occuring in their bodies which proves we are not improving but devolving. This is the reason for the transhuman movement that many people also buy into. But Jesus Christ said they are all thieves and murderes and liars. You will never go wrong if you cling to Jesus Christ in the very fast changing world. You have to stop drinking the coolaid. The cool aid is that polio vaccine that released the virus of cancer into the world. Take a look at Dr Mary's Monkey.
@@sylviablack4935 yeah, at this point I think a majority of people fear their mortality so much. Also such desperation in the world makes people long for these things. I always dream of Star Trek days. Religion abolished via enlightenment, war is outdated cause resources are so well shared, everyone working on what they love to do. Maybe some day👍
Humans could have up to a few billion years to realise the only way for the human race is to leave Earth before the Sun burns us up. Interesting to think it will be the Sun that ends life on Earth as it nears the end of it's life. Will we still be worshipping the Sun god's as things start to heat up in billions of years? Probably. Maybe religion, through looking inwards at ourselves, rather than outwards to exploring space will be what ends the human race
The absolute irony of you calling all of the other stories myths is mind blowing
The lack of logic of commenting on a video you didn't listen to carefully is mind-blowing.
@@lalaithan I did listen to it, I just disagree entirely with what was said.
@@ayshenirfan2511 still made sense, any1 can disagree with anything. If ud like to get a more in depth look at what hes talking about check out zeitgeist debunked and no its not christians just saying they disagree, theres no smart ass mentality,its not preachy also takes what non believers whom have knowledge in fields have to say, hope this message finds u havn a good day
Well said.
@@jpstroebel7253 always nice when someone can just say yay or ney agree or disagree Thankyou
Yeah... The main symmetry that the movie was outlining about religion is based on astrology.
It is well known that one trick of improving your memory is to imagine fictional characters within and surrounding the details of the objective information that is being preserved.
this is cool can you elaborate
Yeah he skipped over how the parallels in the story were linked exactly to astrology timelines. But every good Christian has a come back so 🤷🏽♂️
You can always make an argument, about anything, but this movie hits home.
Zeitgeist debunked worth a watch
@@thomascurtis9630 The Christian mythology is different because they cleverly wrote themselves into history. Nobody else wrote anything about Jesus when he was to have been alive.
@@thomascurtis9630 probably zionist propaganda
yea patriarchies don't like a threat to their false power
Excellent video, Bishop Robert Barron. I agree with you. I am a Jewish Catholic Christian who has studied- and continues to study- Theology (Patrology, Christology, Ecclesiology, missiology, theological anthropology, etc), Philosophy, Early Church History, Hebrew, Latin and Greek. It has become evident in my discussions with people that they don't know the fundamental distinction between Mythology and Biblical history. Together with You, I am prepared to engage with anyone who is willing to learn and know the difference.
I'm an Atheist, but am open to hearing what you mean by people confusing mythology and biblical history. I think it's absurd to claim nothing in the bible happened, but it's equally absurd to take everything the bible says as historical fact. Most history books in general are pretty bad at really telling us what happened, considering there's always a person writing them with their own agendas and biases, so that alone would make people doubt the validity of religious scripture. Mythologies like the Greeks and Romans are quite similiar in regard about having true history, mixed with stories that never happened. That's why people to this day believe there's an Atlantis. But the story of Troy, while originally thought to be fabricated, is now widely accepted as probably happening. I'm not sure exactly what you mean though, so please explain if you have the time.
Wow you learned nothing
This is the first Bishop Robert Barron's first "talk" /video I have ever watched. Incredibly interesting gentleman.
I hope you keep looking at his stuff. He did a great interview with Lex Fridman recently.
Wether or not Jesus existed isn't even genuinely debated in the historical community, he did exist. it's whether or not he was divine
That's not true. There are no original texts from the period that even mention him.. Best you have is a copy (which was controlled by the church) which makes reference to an anointed one.
+Ian Brobst tacitus analects
+Ian Brobst do your homework b4 u make such a claim u sound ignorant.... u just heard somebody else who sounded smart say it and now ur repeating.... Josephus, Tatius, Babalon talumat, thoer are abt 4 or 5 more roman historian and 3 other greek historian that spoke of him if u took the time to look... they actrually got more independent seperate sources for Jesus than they do most Ceasars....
Rusty,
I find the debate about Jesus is won or lost at the definition of Jesus.
My Jesus is defined by all 27 books in the New Testament.
On page 23 of Jesus Interrupted, Bart Erhman notes the discrepancy in the birth narratives of Matt and Luke.
Matthew says Jesus was born in 4 b.c. or earlier.
Luke says Jesus was born in 6 or 7 a.d.
This Jesus cannot possibly exist because he has 2 different birth years separated by at least 10 years.
Nobody, not even Jesus, can have 2 different birth years.
@@brobsty1856 what?!! No original texts? That's like saying 2+2=50 or that Neil Armstrong never landed on the moon, because there is no proof. That is just downright and demonstrably false!!!!
I am a Jewish Catholic Christian who has studied Theology, Philosophy, Biblical theology and exegesis, the Church Fathers, and History; and I'm telling you as a matter of fact that Jesus of Nazareth did exist and is a real historical figure, who was born, lived, was crucified, died and buried, and rose again (the only person ever, by the way) from the dead and ascended into Heaven.
Apart from the historical accounts of the 4 gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, go back a little to the epistles of St. Paul, which precede the Gospels, as well as the epistles of St. Peter, and the letters of St. John.
Moreover, outside the bible of epistles, do yourself a favour and read the antiquities of the Roman Jewish historian Josephus, and see that even he affirms that Jesus really did exist and was crucified.
RELIGIOUS BRAINWASH IS A TERRIBLE THING IN THIS PLANET AND IF WE CONTINUE BELIEVING IN LITTLE ANGLES AND SAINTS , WE WILL NEVER EVOLVE AND HAVE PEACE AMONG US.
Praise The Lord that truth will always brighten out the darkness
that is correct. people are becoming less and less religious each decade. Truth is winning.
As a confirmed catholic, but not an active participant, I found that the "Movie" raised the same questions that I had as a child and young adult. This Bishop did nothing to sway my mind. I am not an atheist, but I have always questioned the motives and purpose of the catholic church. The "movie" gave me many questions that I need to research, but his Bishop gave me no new leads or new way of thinking that is lacking in the church today. Believe what we say or go to hell.... Well, I may go to hell, but at least I will be well informed before my destiny awaits.
Everything comes down to seeking personal relationship with God. Astrology is a language of archetypes the church is 11th House. Just a community and entry way from zero to knowledge. To pass knowledge into spirituality and truth of 12th house is complete surrendering and being shown directly from God. But surrender takes faith. I'm also cradle Catholic too. Just my own take on things. I've explored quite a bit too. Cheers
I read the ancient Egyptian book of the dead in an elective at Univ. of Michigan and Zeitgeist was pretty spot-on when they pointed out the direct, line for line copying of the old Egyptian statements of virtue during the weighing of the heart and the rules laid out in the ten commandments. What I found particularly striking is that there is so much direct word for word exact facsimile.
It's small but important. Even tho not contacting each other almost all races of ppl have the bow and arrow
WOW!! I also noticed similarities with the 80s sci-fi movie and David Icke's reptilian theory!! Hence, the Zeitgeist movie must be true!
What about the so called "aprokypha"books, deleted from the old testament??.. oh that's right modern Christianity doesn't recognize that they were books of the bible, yet some say found together with Dead Sea Scrolls, and yet they were taken out of the Old Testament.... explain that one.
@@wilzpenitent1355 I cant say I'm necessarily educated on them, but a thought does come to mind: what if they also found some gum wrappers in there? Would the serving size be part of the Bible? I think contextual and apostolic authority comes into play for the apologetics of canonization, especially in regards to Christocentricisim of the actual Bible. If Jesus or his disciples acknowledged them as truth and or taught them...-canon. If not, we have to go by how trustworthy the copies are, and theres a whole process for that including cross-referencing. I'm pretty sure there are even some writings of the disciples that got left out because they weren't necessarily revolving around God's word, if Im not mistaken. I dont mean any disrespect either, if it comes off that way.
@@zentark360 , it's all good, my problem is when you find these same or similar accounts being generated from civilizations that had no contact with Christianity, or otherwise, I mean, its not so much that these ancient accounts came from different parts of the globe, where people on a said part didn't even know there was a another part of the planet for people to even exist on, yet they manifested similar stories. Christianity talks about angels that were cast out, came down and made love with human women, thus the Nephilim were born, where the ancient Hopi spoke of the "sky people" that came down and made love to human women as well, for example. All myth, i believe, is based on truth. There's an old saying from New York City, there ain't that much coincidence in the world.
Is about awaking , is about open the eyes and see what it has been always there . The Truth !
If Bishop would really look closely, he would see that there is exactly the same amount of evidence for all those myths as for his christianity..
So 4 guys writing about their time with Jesus and accounts from his other friends and countless people who have seen Jesus is just some myth, a person who historically existed and accounted for? I would get the argument that he wasn't a miracle worker or the messiah or the son of god, but no, not this.
Exactly. They're always trynna appear above smh
@@theredcomet844 There is no historical evidence that Jesus was a real person. Also, people in older times understood that Jesus wasn't a real person. They thought he was literally the sun. Now we know better, but he still wasn't a real person.
@@littlemonsters19d So all of the non bias non Jewish historians at the time who studied events for the means of preserving a real history are just fibbing?
@@littlemonsters19d when did people believe jesus was the sun? Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidences. Jesus mythicism is so hilariously bad that even influential atheist scholars in the world of scholary circlejerking mocks your movement.
Ehrman surveys the arguments Christ mythicists have made against the existence of Jesus since the idea was first mooted at the end of the 18th century. To the objection that there are no contemporary Roman records of Jesus' existence, Ehrman points out that such records exist for almost no one and there are mentions of Christ in several Roman and Jewish works of history from only decades after the Crucifixion of Jesus, such as Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews and Tacitus's Annals.[1][3] The author states that the authentic letters of the apostle Paul in the New Testament (which Ehrman believes are 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, 1 Corinthians, Philippians, Philemon, 2 Corinthian and Romans) were likely written within a few years of Jesus' death and that Paul likely personally knew James the Just and Peter the Apostle.[2] Although the gospel accounts of Jesus' life may be biased and unreliable in many respects, Ehrman writes, they and the sources behind them which scholars have discerned still contain some accurate historical information.[1][3] So many independent attestations of Jesus' existence, Ehrman says, are actually "astounding for an ancient figure of any kind".[2]
Mine's not a myth. As C.S. Lewis said, "those who think that Christianity is one more myth haven't read many myths." Compare "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" to "when Quirinius was governor of Syria" and you'll begin to grasp the relevant distinction.
This is why Christianity is falling apart these days. And more & more being are becoming spiritual. I don't need to believe in foolish things like someone talking to a burning bush or that death came creepy through the night killing all the first born babies. I'm to old to believe in that non sense. I used to be a Christian but with wisdom & age I became a spiritual person. No one is better then anyone. Every person,plant & animal are connected...were all one. And the sooner that people realize this the better off we'll all be. Enough killing in the name of God. We need to respect this world & everything in it. I feel some of these dogma ways are dangerous. And are holding the human race back. And the designer/God/nature if you will...who am I to say he or she is from this religion or that religion. Do you see how silly that sounds. Or out of past Religions to say these are fake ones but this religion is real deal. Come on now lol. Like the Gnostic Bible says you don't need a church or religious person to talk to god. I believe that the spark of a light is in us all no matter what religion or other belief they have.
Fr. Barron is true on that. I recommend all to look up Egyptian book of the dead, what is the primary source of Egyptian mythological research, or the Egyptian hieroglyphics. You will find NO TRACE whatever about Horus being born in the cave, star announcing of Horus birth, three wise men, that his father was Joseph (Seb), being baptized, having 12 disciples, having sermon on the mount, transfiguration on the mount, his crucifiction, his reigning for 1000 years etc...
Karol Pavlovkin what a moron
Your right I just left a comment on this....People don’t know the difference between a Primary source and a secondary source
So they are different interpretations of the same thing... you made that even more clear in this video.. good job!
Wi Na @ lol you couldn’t be any further from the truth if you tried:/
No not @ all......they are same interpretations of a different thing.......so good job,misinterpreting!
Yes, but Zeitgeist is very literal in the comparison. They actually say...born on December 25, to virgin, resurrected. This is just not true. Why couldn't they have just said "it's a similar story". Instead they deliberately lied.
I'm an atheist btw, in case it makes any difference
I will also add; ultimately it doesn't matter what people believe or don't believe. The only thing that matters is how humans treat one another.
It is interesting how people are experts on the Bible who have never read it.
I've read it and virtually all other religious texts. You have no idea what you are talking about. It is heavily plaigerised.
@@THUMBSUPBITCHify I love how this video uses a picture of white jesus. Smh this guys using the bible to prove the bible. Show me witnesses outside of the bible.
@@redone3302 sure, josephus, tacticius, numerous eyewitnesses and etc. remember there are more records of jesus christ than julius caesar, and if you think jesus did not exist then you should also ask if obama did not exist.
@@icrushchildrensdreams4556 Josephus was a roman propagandist who betrayed his people to save his own neck. Josephus talks about the Christos not jesus christ, there is a big difference. There is absolutely not more evidence to show the existence of christ than julius caesar, that is an absolutely ridiculous statement. The only "proof" of the literary Jesus is in the bible, that's it. "I should ask myself if Obama existed", there is so much wrong with that comparison it's almost infantile in its logic. Sorry man, the bible is very unreliable in many ways.
The comments section is full of triggered Zeitgeist fanboys who won't open their minds. Did you know that a group of Skeptics have already refuted the movie?
Jack Cimino,
Can you show me 1 Zeitgeist Debunker that looked at the 197 footnoted in the Zeitgeist Transcript?
Thus, it has not been "honestly" debunked.
In contrast, Zeitgeist has been "Queefed."
A bunch of pussies blew hot air at it.
Perhaps a new Zeitgeist movie should come out and claim that Jesus is Satan.
Now open your bible and prove with historical evidence that Jesus is not Satan.
For example, The Virgin Birth, prove that beyond any reason to doubt.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I find it Reasonable to Doubt that a pregnant woman is a virgin because she is fucking pregnant, and one gets pregnant by fucking.
Lastly, Don't be hate'n because you worship Satan.
Jack Cimino there are parts of Zeitgeist that have been debunked, this doesn’t mean that everything in Zeitgeist is now false. To believe so is it be fallacious. There are many traditions in Catholicism pulled from ancient texts such as; the Christmas tree or pine tree ornaments which dates back to Scandinavian, Japanese, Egyptian religions.. which ironically the Bible strictly denounced the use of in the book of Jeramiah. There are countless born of virgin stories, healers of the blind and sick, and risers of the dead. The Catholic Church in particular also chose the usage of saints and to put them in statue form to get originally, the Romans, to accept a monotheistic religion for the first time. The saints just simply took the place of pagan gods.. Saints of travel, hunting, battle etc. just bc parts are untrue, doesn’t mean you get to move on. Father Baron is extremely disingenuous when it comes to approaching this in a critical way.. it should be clear. He’s not addressing the true parts of the documentary.
And these sceptics are.......you see if you can't name them I'm gonna have to call BS
@@ronhunte9551 The Skeptics I am referring to are actually the Skeptic Project website. See the link I posted in the thread. Also, read Tim O'Neil
@melvin Edwards I did not see your comment in my notifications
Bishop, Jesus is a mystic figure to me and nothing you said evidences or bamboozles me to "believe" otherwise. Give it up and do humanity a favor. Thanks
Quotings would make a comment too long, so I'll just say that the "Companion Source Guide" that is available on .pdf on the official website of Zeitgeist, the Movie explains and addresses this in much detail. I'm mostly referring to the story of Horus as well as the other solar gods mentioned. For anybody who is open minded, that source material is worth checking out before making a judgment
This rebuttal made me even more convinced that zeitgeist is the only thing keeping me sane.
That was the poorest rebuttal I've ever heard
and yet, Jesus existed and astrology is not the best explanation for the Christian religion. Your point is?
@melvin Edwards yes, he existed. where's the controversy? an old conspiracy video puts out a theory which has been debunked. I linked books by scholars, debates, even an extensive atheist website that take better versions of the "theory" apart. this makes you angry? welcome to the internet.
That's only because you didn't get it. The best argument for Christianity is that it's origins are historically traceable. Something happened 2000 years ago that made people die for it, travel the known world for it in great peril, and that changed the history of mankind. You could claim coincidence, but it is far more compelling than the conflation with resurrection myths that Zeitgeist bullshit tries to insinuate.
All religions claim to have the real God... however the church, which is the oldest power organization in the world worked together with the crown to take away wealth and strip away other cultures of their medicines/gods and a way of living. In the name of God, Christianity justified death/abuse, even the KKK is a Christian organization that used to burn crosses justifying death and cruel torture. I prefer the world we had before we were brainwashed with the colonial church... we used to have a world in respect with nature. I have ZERO respect based on the history of Christianity in which men used it to justify hatred/torture and psychological destruction to others. ZERO respect for their followers. I do like the universal teaching of Jesus though, the ones that parallels with love and compassion. If your church is used to oppress others or to justify abuse, that is not my church.
@@utube321go that is a rather shortsighted approach. you know very well that that everything you describe has been done and is still being done in large scales without any religious background, just look at the soviet union. No Christianity there, except among its victims. So maybe don't blame the faith next time, but human nature, the very thing the faith inherently wants to cultivate to avoid that kind of suffering, despite being abused as a power tool all over history.
Normally healing the sick but took time out to comment.
@Damien6ix The Gospels were written within a few decades of the events they describe. The epistles of Paul were even earlier. Jesus' existence is attested to by Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger. Real people went to their deaths defending the dense historical claims made about Jesus. Las time I checked, no one has died to defend the historicity of Frankenstein!
So therefore, that's why you see only several writings with "Jesus" in them. No one cared and still to this point people still don't. Thank God that the Old and New Testament's were preserved. Now individuals are without excuse. God Bless!!
Oh man! I love this stuff! Ol' Fr. Barron hits Zeitgeist with a 1-2 punch
yet he conveniently leaves out that no historians in the area at the time and after Jesus' life recorded nothing of a man named Jesus who was born of a virgin and can do magic tricks. Hardly unbiased if it's coming from a priest anyway this is just a video for people who want to hear what they want and not the truth
Jerome Beards why not make it a bit longer then? and I get where you're coming from but it's not really the same, a priest will defend Christian beliefs but a Muslim imam will defend Islamic beliefs but an atheist has no religious ties and is free to look at each with an open mind and without bias, if it was a religious scholar then what you'd be saying would be spot on.
ah didn't think of that you're probably right there, thanks for the correction good sir.
comparing fiction to fiction is hardly persuasive
what works of fiction are you referring to?
@Drarkhan Well, friend, I have a doctorate in theology from the Institut Catholique de Paris, I've been a professor of theology for twenty years, and I've written ten books on theology and spirituality.
i also found the part in Zeitgeist with the zodiacs - and the simple assertion: that's exactly like Christinaity very simplistic - but from what i gathered really serious scholars see a lot of parallels with other stories too - whe mustn't forget that the ppl. writing the NT - where educated greeks who had acces to and where influenced by jewish, greek and eastern knowledge/tradition/philosphy - so unless one is a literalist, those parallels don't surprise
Why do you write off four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the book of Revelation, and all of Paul's epistles as entires non-historical? And religion allows no room for logic?! You are hereby commanded to read the first thirteen questions of Aquinas's Summa theologiae.
I saw the first movie and loved it but I don't think a lot of people took it seriously.
remember Peter Joseph the man who made the movie says it was just a movie nothing more you know something he researched and made in his spare time and didn't think it would be taken seriously. just search his name and many people asks him about it and he answers the best one is Joe Rogan that interviews him.
Well, that's just a tad dogmatic, don't you think? Joseph Campbell argued that myths perform three basic functions: cosmic, psychological, and social. Many of them operate at all three levels at the same time. That said, the Bible is not primarily mythic in form, for it reports an historical revelation. It is compatible with many of the myths and contains some mythic elements, but it is, essentially, other than myth.
@Fionabuster D. No he doesn't. presumably you're from America, where this strange, particular protestant fundementalism crops up frequently for historical reasons. If you read the early Church Fathers they're not saying the scriptures should be read literally all the time (some parts are literal, some aren't). The best way to get your relatives to see sense is to show them how accepting things like evolution isn't actually a threat to Christianity
Whatever the movie said, it sounded more honest and straighfoward that what this guy has to comment
Absolutely
Thank you for your words. God bless 🙏
A great, but yet too short, honest, serious scholarly, rooted to facts and plainly speaking the truth. Unfortunately it's not sensationalism, and I know from half my life as an unbeliever myself that before I got "eyes" able to see with, I was uncritically lying to myself if that was beneficial to me and whatever I wanted to believe. I had no idea about the truths in the Paul's letters to the Romans, of how our heart condemn or not our actions, words and thoughts, according to the truth, so I really had no idea of the light of truth, and in fact I did avoid it, I hated Christianity and Jesus, until the day I realized the truth and found salvation. So sadly this video is barely viewed through 10 years, and those that don't want to believe don't see the pearls being tossed in their direction, they don't know anything holy, and will be satisfied by rather holding onto lies, since in darkness they can live in sin.
Realize that this is a life that lead to damnation. There won't be any time right before death where your mind will be filled with clear ideas, and where you have time to consider Jesus or not. If you are called upon by Jesus, and you know he is knocking on the door, then it might just be your only chance. This is something clear from the bible, that seek God while He is near.
Using the bible to prove the bible is circular logic and it doesn't hold up.
@@redone3302 proof for christianity is not restricted to the bible, numerous archeological sites and historical documents prove that the events in the bible happened.
@영원한 대한민족 that's absolutely false. 💯
Chasing ideas you can't prove you believe is requisite for liberalizing or looting finite natural resources including labor as a resource.
This is why the planet melts.
@Drarkhan The first Gospel, Mark's, was written around the year 70 and the last Gospel, John's was written between 90 and 100, putting the latest Gospel within, at most, 70 years of Jesus' resurrection. And these were all based upon a very careful tradition of oral conveyance. Lots of history books are written 30 or 40 or 50 years after the events they describe and no one automatically thinks that they are just distortions.
@nelsomatron It's not nearly that plain and simple. The differences between a nature mysticism and an historical religion are massive.
Bishop... The movie states to not look at the MINOR differences in the stories. But PAY ATTENTION TO THE NUMBERS IN THE STORY. You are purposely OBFUSCATING the important details.
Q: What's the difference between a Bishop and a fraud? ...... A: nothing
"truth betold" ? sounds like an Acharya S disciple. seriously, she was an amateur and she was WRONG about astrology and history. sorry / not sorry
I continue to be both amazed and amused that people try to debate you, Father. So clear, so reasonable and True. God bless
No man should call anybody father unless it’s referring to the lord or your actual dad
Cherry picking the zeitgeist as well as cherry picking the bible verses....
Ahhh sht, here we go again.
Yup. Atheists being atheists, cherrypicking and taking everything out of context.
You would be able to read all about it if your Emperor Constantine didn't burn it all. do your research. I agree about the fear monger element and the 9 11 hysteria but you have only cherry picked your attack and not defended your stance at all. Hope you could answer the direct bible quotes about bulls and goats and fishes and bread??????? Mathew 28 20: teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. Luke 22 10 Where do You want us to prepare it?” they asked. He answered, “When you enter the city, a man carrying a jug of water will meet you. Follow him to the house he enters, and say to the owner of that house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room,
God dos"nt need Money the Church dose, they make out that they want you to be Saved from Eternal Damnation .But they cant Proove this its also a Myth.
But contemporaries? Sure. Sts. Matthew, John, Jude, and Peter. St. Peter so believed that the history that he witnessed and wrote to be authentic that he was willing to die for it.
Yes, of course these were all Christians. That doesn't matter. It does not justify doubt about the overall veracity of their writing (i.e. the existence of a dude named Jesus). There would be little reason for St. Peter to have been willingly crucified on behalf of a story that he just imagined up.
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I was a member of the Zeitgeist movement until about one year ago.
But as I began to study my new roommate was very catholic and I tried to bring him to atheism. I wanted to prove to him that there is no god, so I agreed to come with him to Medjugorje (place of pilgrimage).
As you all know Jesus has a great sense of humor, and well instead of convincing him ... Jesus showed me that almost everything I ever did was wrong.
Now I'm even considering to become a priest.
He is the good shepherd.
Bishop Barron you are a incredible person full of knowledge // this is just a sincere question // could it be possible that these stories could have been predicting the coming of Christ but we cant piece them together because of the difference in language and culture ??
Good question 🤔
If Jesus was a real person he surely wasn’t white with blue eyes. Can we agree on that at least?
'' I like the myths, but the Bible is different '' 🤣😂. Hilarious.
Yep, especially the canonized bible that leaves out the big part of the story🤣
Yeah, this dude is in denial about his belief being excluded or couldn't possibly be like the things he is saying that are not......I cant
Mythology is very obvious. The Bible is not written that way. This copycat theory has been debunked for so long I physically cringe when people wheel in this Reddit take.
No one would dare say the same thing about the Quran. It is just as ridiculous if not more
@Mel Dummar The prophet Muhammad is the fictional character not Jesus Christ
Don't be bamboozled by Christianity
"I love the myths, but... the bible is different; myth."
These Internet atheist...
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Lmao. The irony. Hahahaha
Check Hinduism for the originals 😆😆
The Zeitgeist is a Christian propaganda so that they can use it to say that claims made against Christianity are debunked. I knew it because all these evidence that proved the Bible God fake wasn't included:
1) Jesus similarities with Buddha. Maya to Mary, miracle pregnancy to virgin pregnancy, birth during a journey home to from on water, Gautama left the palace at age 29 and Jesus appeared at 29, Gautama became Buddha at 35 and Jesus died and resurrected at around 35, Buddha had a big meal while Jesus had a last supper before they died, after they passed away, 500 arahants witnessed compilation of Buddha's teachings and over 500 witnesses to Jesus's resurrection etc. All coincidental ? Beside Buddha, Jesus was also found to be copied from other figures. Surely they can't be ALL coincidental.
2) Many of the Bible's mythologies was copied from older pagans, Greek, Egyptian or Hinduism religions(note the names too) E.g. Adam & Eve from Atman and Jiva, big flood and survivor Noah/3 sons same as Manu/3 daughters although cause of flood is different, Abraham and wife/sister Sarah from Brahma and Saraswathi, Moses from Krishnu, all similar stories. Regardless of which religion copied which, it proved this god is NOT the only true god or all mighty as it doesn't makes sense for an ALMIGHTY GOD to create or allow more copies or religions.
@Camal99 I really do love the"people who wanted control" stuff...If you were a bishop, priest, deacon in the first four centuries of Christianity you had a job for life - and that's almost certainly what it would cost you before long...
@bloodrose8790 Well, friend, if I wanted to indicate the difference between, say, Moby Dick and A Thousand Days, I would point to the texts and show how they belong to different genres. There are innumerable signs, inherent in the Biblical texts themselves, which indicate how they are not (for the most part) mythic in character. There is nothing "circular" about this process of demonstration. And if all man made texts are "lies," I'm not sure how you believe any text!
One of the main thing this man is saying is that the other gods weren’t crucified when you don’t have to be nailed to a cross to be crucified. The literal definition of crucification is : extreme and painful punishment, affliction, or suffering. (merriam- webster dictionary) He’s saying these gods we’re crucified because he’s only holding them to christian crucification.
Are you trying to tell me that everything I watch online isn't true??? I'M SHOCKED!!!
I would tear this guy up in a debate over this topic. it's really easy when you get to sit there and talk and have nobody question you.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
oh yes you very smart
@anonymous
No that's stupid, we don't have any problem in the bible with that
@anonymous
God created dinosaurs millons years ago
Thank you SO much for adressing this topic
I love how he says, "the concrete evidence of the Gospels". Concrete? It has been proven many times over that they were NOT written by the people whose names they are given. Nothing about the Holy Fairy Tale is concrete. It has more holes than a spaghetti strainer. AND yes there were addition stories' about Jesus, but there are more stories about Jesus as just a man than a deity. He wasn't deified until a bunch of MEN got together and made him that was for a POLITICAL purpose. So to say that the Bible wasn't made for political reasons is untrue. It was created for that specific reason. Politics is control. Christian religion is control. Why do you think one of the first things a politician proclaims is his religion. Politics and Religion go hand in hand.
Atheists are funny.
@@3buzzy funny....but not stupid. At least we don't believe in fairy tales.
The Council of Nicea hand picked which books would best fit thenChristian narrative. Then the Bible is edited, re-edited, re-edited, re-edited, and translated into English and then re-edited again. All to fit the narrative. Atheists are funny you say??!! Maybe, but there is something they are not. Intelligence and common sense. Burning bush. Really guys??!! Come on. Parted the Red Sea??!! Come in guys. Born if a virgin? If he was born from a virgin then please tell me how Jesus had older brothers and sisters. He says Horace and others were forced. If that statement is true then one would have to understand through the edits what was edited and what wasn’t edited.
Scriptures are NOT a religious book, more like a Historical book twisted into FALSE CHRISTIANITY and use as a PACIFIER and CONTROL for the Masses..
I agree religion is created for control. But the thing is, humans need to be controlled. Humans are not rational creatures. Without control, our world might be completely chaotic.
I really needed this thank you
Nicole Klug your being brainwashed religion isn’t real
Nicole Klug religion is real but God is not the author of all these religions. Look up "Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. God bless
Jesus loves you. Remember, satans biggest deception is that he’s not real
Thats the thing.... they give you what you need......
There over 700 books in the bible , why are they hiding them ? I'm so sick and tired of people calling people that question thing s , " conspires theorists "
< a CIA made up term btw > We want the truth, only way to get to the truth is to question. He said Horas father was a God, ok so how many Gods are there ??
Catholic Church says bad things about Mary Magdalene, now I'm hearing she was a beautiful woman inside and out , we need access to all the books of the bible, not the 66 they want us to see
I find the comments here interesting in that they are symptomatic of core beliefs held - not a discussion. I long ago stopped self serving thinking (no jokes please) and began a journey to learn what the best and brightest in history have thought, said, done - my journey, like that of CS Lewis, leads me to the Christian faith - I was amazed how Christianity has shaped our modern world, the majority of science, charity, education, modern morality and law. . . incredible.
praise the LORD!!! for Father Barrons Holy ministry thank you so much father for this video....
My good sir,
If you didn’t try to debunk that maybe there would be some who would have little doubt about the zeitgeist, but your debunking made them firm believers in the zeitgeist.
You should have left it alone!
" I don't want to realize I've dedicated my life to a silly Fairy Tale."
You misspelled “fairy tale” there bud
Thanks my friend. Fixed it. I was raised Catholic but I found true spirituality. Hope you do too. ❤
@@spencerderosier6649 You found a lie. Jesus is the truth.
@@fredarroyo7429 No he's a another made up solar messiah.
@@spencerderosier6649 no evidence for that.
Romans 1:25
They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
No! The literary form of the myths is simply not the literary form of the Gospels. They are witnessing to very different forms of truth.
@laaaaambofgod, so the discipline on priests in the West can change, but I don't think it will. Many of the Eastern bishops had voted in the 1960s at Vatican II that the West should keep the discipline on celibacy for Latin priests. Such introduces the sense of radical duty to the Church, because they are supposed to be acting in the person of Christ.
Really appreciate this video.
As if this dude could even begin to be objective about this.
Im not religious at all but this guy has more balls than the Church
Some of these issues have led to injustices, and have been subject to scrutiny by other thinkers e.g. James Alison, Jim Keenan, Richard Rohr, etc. I think these are the places worth inhabiting, and worth providing more discussions here.
The pre Christian Roman god Attis, WAS born of a virgin, Nana, on December 25th... That's a FACT.
I am from India @3.08 about Krishna is wrong , Krishna birth through Devaki womb is throuth non sexual relationship.Krishna is an avtar of Vishnu.
Even Jesu birth through Mother mary's womb is non sexual.
Sounds like to me like his argument is these other figures aren’t real because they were fake but Jesus isn’t fake because he was real...That seems like a pretty elementary simplistic argument that doesn’t actual say or prove anything and just says that he believes what he has been told and always believed. But that’s just how it seemed to me.
But isn't the bible stories written many years after the actions? so how do you say with certainty that the bible is real and not myths?
What about how the holidays line up with celestial movements ??
@laaaaambofgod, perhaps that is one perspective of the Church, but on the alternative might consider it an ideal of modernity that such contemporary trends exhibit and advance in morality or philosophy. I'm not sure what you are referring to in particular but the Church has been very conservative in her nature on account of her belief that she is guarding something very precious, the revealed truths of God. One might understand why she advances slowly as a mother protecting something precious.
Of course a Catholic Priest would disagree with Zeitgeist!
Hundreds of scholars are in accord with Zeitgeist.
Notice this guy didn’t talk about the Council of Nicaea. He actually reversed everything! Pre 325AD was mythological! And they knew this. Jesus was True in literature only.
At the end of the day we all have to make our own assessment & do our own digging. And more importantly look within and asking some serious questions. Question’s of logic & Spirituality.
@Chandu83 How about a real argument, friend?
From: 'The Lost Language of Symbolism' by Harold Bayley; Chapter: King Solomon, pgs145-146
It is well known that in the transition from paganry to Christianity the Christian clergy, finding it impossible to wean the populace from old customs or to eradicate primitive beliefs, discreetly met the situation by diverting pagan festivals to the honour of Christ. It is not so generally known that December 25th, the Christmas Day of Christendom, was necessarily thus fixed for the reason that this date was the birthday of Mithra, and that the obdurate heathen flatly refused to relinquish their cherished festival. It was not until A.D. 400 that the Church Fathers accepted the inevitable and tactfully adopted the Birthday of Mithra as the official Birthday of Christianity. At the beginning of the fifth century S. Chrysostom, referring to the festival of the pagan Sun god, wrote: "on this day also the birthday of Christ was lately fixed at Rome in order that, while the heathens were busy with their profane ceremonies, the Christians might perform their sacred rites undisturbed.
They call this (25th December) the birthday of the Invincible One (Mithra); but who is so invincible as the Lord? They call it the birthday of the Solar Disc; but Christ is the Sun of Righteousness."
From Chapter: The White Horse, Bayley writes:
When Cortez landed in Mexico he reported that "the Devil had positively taught to the Mexicans the same things which God had taught to Christendom," and Tertullian complained with characteristic bitterness that in the mysteries of Mithra the Evil One had: "emulously mimicked" even the precise particulars of the Divine sacraments. We have it on the notable authority of St Augustine that "That very thing which is now designated the Christian Religion was in existence among the ancients, nor was it absent even from the commencement of the human race up to the time when Christ entered into the flesh, after which true religion, which already existed, began to be called Christian."
A Christian debunking a movie debunking Christianity.
Anyone else notice that he only chooses 3 of the examples in the movies? But there is literally a list of stories that are similar to Jesus Christ. However, this guy chose the best examples he could to attempt to sway the believers.
What about the stories of Mythra, the sun god? I actually learned about the story of Mythra in college, and even my professor debunked Christianity IN CLASS.
People will do anything they can to reinforce their life long beliefs. Understandably. I mean, who would really want to accept the fact that their entire life is based on a lie?
Just wanted to post very symilar comment. You beat me to it, great job 😃
Bro is trying his best to cope with this
Why would you need to cope with a ridiculous conspiracy video?
Ah yes, still another compelling counter-argument from the "new" atheists.
Come on friend, that's just silly. This sort of comparison was de-bunked in the 19th century. Myths are set in a timeless zone--"once upon a time" and "in a galaxy far, far away"--but histories are set in particular space and time. Take a look at the beginning of the Gospel of Luke, and you'll see the difference.
this man really went out there and said there are concrete examples of jesus being talked about outside of the bible with no sources or examples outside of other books of the same base scripture that arent used
Tacitus and Josephus.
As Paine said: The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the Sun, and pay him the adoration originally paid to the Sun. It can't be put simpler.
Another mic drop for Father. When I first heard about this argument with horas and Krishna it made me think. So I looked them up for myself. What a joke! The people trying to make comparisons to Christ our God and this trash is laughable. I was embarrassed for Bill Maher and zeitgeist.
@Damien6ix But friend, there is a big difference between accepting death and causing it. That people kill for all kinds of reasons is all too obvious. What's interesting is when they allow themselves to be killed rather than to deny what they believe.
People have killed & still do to this day in the name of religion
I was raised Catholic. Years of religion classes, I received most of the sacraments, everything. What this movie says about my religion is true. I lost my faith years before I saw this film, and I have become firmly agnostic. This priest is a bootleg pied piper, leading less and less children every day
So what you are saying is Christianity is just myth 2.0, Faith peddlers special edition?
@laaaaambofgod, with respect to contraception this is simply impossible. Catholics work within the ancient frame of referring to teleology or what the purpose of a thing is, and the purpose of genitalia is the begetting of children. To go contrary to the nature of a human being would be a denigration and lowering of humanity's dignity according to the Church. It is unpopular but the Church's teaching is irreformable, except in some cases i.e having an STD that would severely harm one's spouse.
Thank you!
Come on. The parallels are there with other myths and astrology and that’s ok to acknowledge. If Christianity helps you to be a good person and helps you through life then go for it. Simple...
Robert,
Would you be so kind to answer these questions?
1. In your opinion, how old is Earth?
2. How long ago did the Dinosaurs go extinct?
3. How is it that life can go extinct with less then 10,000 of it's species, but the animals on Noah's Ark survived?
4. Did all the Egyptians go to hell because the Jesus story wasn't around and they followed a different God (the Sun)?
5. Do you believe other life to exist elsewhere?
Try to answer non-biblically if your capable. Thank you
Lost the argument the second you said 'in the west'.
First of all, there is absolutely no comparison between Christian martyrs, who died rather than to deny their faith, and the September 11th murderers who killed thousands of innocent people. Secondly, there is simply nothing in Islam to compare with the historical claim of the resurrection of Jesus. It is that very definite fact that the first Christian witnesses were proclaiming and defending.