Fotodiox tilt-shift MF lens adapter. Use medium format lenses on [Z/RF] mirrorless cameras
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- Keith Cooper looks at using the Fotodiox M645 tilt-shift adapter with Mamiya M645 lenses and the Canon EOS RP mirrorless camera.
You can get adapters for other lenses and camera types and it's a great way of finding uses for old lenses.
There is a lot more detail about how you use tilt and shift in the accompanying article at www.northlight-...
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Dear Keith, another very useful article about tilt/shift technology, which I do appreciate very much! Thanks a lot, this is another possibility to decide. Will mail you soon.
Peter from Germany
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this info. I've been thinking about purchasing the Pentax 67 mount for Nikon and this is the best video/article I've found on the adapter.
Thank. I've used it some time now and still only have one minor complaint in that I wish the shift detent (click stop) at zero shift was a bit more positive. Pretty minor really - its very solidly built
You certainly need a lens collar to use the heavier MF lenses. Shame they didn't fit a tripod foot.
Yes, that would be a useful addition
I don't think the designers of this product really knew what they were doing. Tilt and shift functions were introduced to large format cameras to correct for too shallow DOF and distortion. You cannot do those things at the same time with this adapter. For example, you want a landscape completely in focus front to back, so you tilt the lens down. Then you also want your verticals to be straight, so you need to point your camera straight forward and shift your lens up or down. That's not possible with this adapter unless I missed something.
They absolutely did know.
You are picking a small subset of the use of lens movements.
This product is aimed at reproducing some of the utility of the original Canon TS-E and Nikon PC-E lenses, which it does very well
The ability to change the relative directions of axes of movement is a newer addition from Canon/Nikon
The comparison with large format cameras is always problematical, since a DSLR/mirrorless camera with a modern tilt/shift lens simply does not have the range of movements. If you want all the movements, you get all the inconvenience and opportunities at the same time ;-)
There is also the serious practical problem of using tilt (with smaller format cameras) in landscape photography, in that relatively few landscapes conveniently match the wedge of focus given by a basic tilted lens - personally I don't like nearer tall objects having variable sharpness along their length. 'Correcting' verticals (for wider lenses) with shift is a far more commonly used function - the fact that two very useful shift lenses from Laowa (15mm and 20mm) don't have tilt at all gives a fair view of the relative importance of tilt vs shift for wider lenses for many people using them.
BTW If you've not seen it, I'd also suggest having a look at the full review - not the video. The videos are mainly produced to supplement the main [written] articles.
Would F-mount FX lenses have a large enough image circle for tilt functionality if adapted to a crop sensor camera like a Fuji? (not gfx)
Yes for shift, but for tilt it's very much dependent on the design of the lens. The problem with F mount is that it is relatively narrow, so much tilt may introduce vignetting. This is one of those areas where only testing with a specific lens will help.
You can of course do this manually just holding the lens in from of the [lensless] camera body - a bit of cloth draped over will reduce light leaks
@@KeithCooper thanks
Interesting, Keith, thank you! Struggling with the shift capability: is it 20mm on each side or 20mm combined/total?
Just looked and it's ±15mm
See the full review for a lot more about its use (the videos are meant as supplements to the actual reviews)
www.northlight-images.co.uk/fotodiox-tilt-shift-lens-adapter/
Thank you, Keith.
Dear Keith, i have a nikon z6, can you also put an (older f-mount) nikon lens in the tilt shift adapter? Has it then still have the same picture quality? I ordered you book, becaurse i going to do architecture photografy.
greetings Henk
The F mount [standard] lenses tend not to have the image circle for good tilt/shift use. More importantly you only have the thickness of the standard FTZ adapter to fit in tilt/shift movements - not easy.
Remember that in this video I'm using medium format lenses, which have a much deeper flange distance and bigger image circle.
There may be FTZ adapters with movements, but I don't know of any.
Hope you enjoy the book!
Hi Keith, I was wondering if these medium format lenses adapted on full frame show the same characteristics as they would on their medium format bodies? To be more specific, I am adapting an smc-Pentax 645 35mm f/3.5 (which seems to be regarded as very sharp edge to edge) on Sony, however I find the sharpness and chromatic aberrations fall off very heavily when shifted: if I shoot with the adapter in neutral position (no shift, no tilt) the image is great corner to corner. But when shifted, the softness starts right after the "edge" of the unshifted field of view. The issue is somewhat mitigated between f/11 and f/16, though not resolved. If I try to stop down the lens when fully shifted to the right, I can see the brightness increase in the left half of the image and almost no increase in the right half. Is it more likely that the shift adapter is causing the issue, or it's just the lens itself being a 35mm? Thank you
The performance of an MF lens depends on a lot of factors - not excluding the fact that by modern standards it wasn't that great a lens ;-) That 'seems to be regarded' phrase also needs a deal of picking apart ;-)
However... The sony e mount is also not a good choice for this. It is physically too small for good handling of off-axis light, especially when shifted. Add in the adapter and all sorts of issues could appear.
It's a good APS-C mount but with a 35mm sensor behind it. Sony lenses are designed to mitigate these issues.
This is why Nikon's Z mount is about the most adaptable of current mirrorless mounts - they fixed the issues of the F mount in this respect and then some...
Perhaps not something I'd dare point out on a Sony forum mind you ;-) :-)
Thank you for the fast reply Keith, and for the clarification. As for the 35mm lens reputation, looks like another case of the infamous “reviews on the internet are worth what you pay for” 😅
Hi Keith, Thx for your videos. I currently own TS-E 17 f:4 L and 24 f:3.5 L ii with my Canon R5, and would like to extend my tilt shift capability to longer focales. Unfortunately TS-E 50L and 90L are not available on second hand market. So I'm considering using tilt shif adaptor. Based on your own experience with 645 and your friend's one with 67, starting from scratch, would you consider using 645 or 67 lenses? On 67 I'm thinking using the 55-100 f4.5 zoom to cover my needed range, do you have any inputs on how it would behave? My IQ expectation is something similar to my TS-E 24 f3.5Lii. Any inputs will be more than welcome. Thx
No idea about that zoom - I've not seen one which would appreciate much tilt
The M645 55mm and 80mm are excellent and more of a match for the tse24. All the older lenses show more CA, but then again so does the [still reasonable] tse45
BTW I still use an original tse90 on my 5DS and gfx100S
See here for more
www.northlight-images.co.uk/fotodiox-tilt-shift-lens-adapter/
Many thx for this informed ans very reactive feedback@@KeithCooper
Keith, thanks again for your precise information. If I understand you correctly, by using a mamiya 645 lens with tilt shift converter, onto my sony full frame camera, I will get more effective degrees of shift, than if i would use a full frame lens, onto my sony full frame camera. The reason being is that the medium format lens has a larger image circle, than a full frame lens, thereby offering more room to move the image. So, for the purpose of architectural photography, would you recommend either a medium format lens, or a full frame format lens, with tilt shift adapter onto a full frame camera?
Yes, it's all about the image circle.
A lot of (non tilt/shift) full frame lenses fall off quickly beyond the normal frame size
The problem is that the MF lenses don't go to very wide angles. For architecture, the Nikon and Canon 24mm, 19mm, 17mm T/S lenses are simply more useful in many applications. Similarly for the Laowa 15mm shift
This is one reason Sony, as yet, have made limited inroads into architectural photography -it's all about the lenses. I look forward to trying their kit, if they ever decide to be serious about this sort of photography ;-)
@@KeithCooper There is a Samyang MF 14mm f/2.8 WS Mk2 Lens for Nikon, which couples with tilt shift adapter for Sony FF camera. This is a pretty wide angle option. What are your thoughts? Does a full frame lens on a full frame camera produce of enough of a shift in the image circle?
Difficult to say without a physical lens to hold up and project an image onto a card.
One clue is to look at the MTF chart and see how quickly performance is dropping off, but this is not a foolproof check.
In general I've not seen a wide full frame lens that worked well with shift - but that's not from a huge search! ;-)
Keep an eye on Laowa too - they mentioned quite a few new shift lenses at a show some time ago...
Interesting! Hope you had a great summer! How does the resolution loss translate to real world when using medium format lenses? Could a speedbooster/ focal reducer compensate for either the resolution loss or distortion or are we introducing additional problems with this method? Thank you.
I don't have the necessary optics to try a focal reducer - of course the real issue is that to make use of the tilt/shift, I need the big image circle.
Also, using the lenses as 'normal lenses' is not something of any use to me - I've got 'real' ones. Of course I'd happily try out such optics if someone lent me some! ;-)
Why don't they have these with lens collar kind of thing so it can be attached to the tripod or ballhead? That way the lens can be held at the same place and the camera moved? The stitching for panoramas don't work out to the extent it can if the camera is moved around. It is also not the same image circle if the lens is moved. That would make these better than the native tilt shift lens which also suffers from the same drawback? (lens movements rather than camera movement).
Would the "rogeti" gizmo solve this problem? they seem to be custome made for canon TSE lens.
Ah well... It could be useful with this adapter
However, I'm inclined to suggest that the 'problem' with lens movement between stitching is grossly overstated for many applications ;-)
I regularly shoot up/down stitches with no parallax issues. Where there are problems, then using a simple slide on the camera base plate easily fixes things - just slide the camera in the opposite direction to the lens movement.
However I do actually use Canon lenses and the TSE frames for my work
www.northlight-images.co.uk/category/articles-and-reviews/rogeti/
@@KeithCooper Yes - but another base plate :-) Might as well use a nodel rail then.
The problem with the lens movement is that it is not the same image circle any more. So full "shift" does not really give the full image circle => pano is smaller than it could be with the image circle the lens is capable of. Though they stitch perfectly.
I'm inclined to say that, for most uses, that really is splitting hairs. If you are working on stuff that precise, then yes you need some other solution.
The arca style clamps I have on my tripod heads all have graduations on them making a left/right (or up/down) camera movement to offset lens movement a simple process.
My guess is that adapters like the one I'm looking at here, don't have tripod connections at the front (lens) end is the additional design and manufacturing complexity for a function few would want to pay for ;-)
Thank very much. Please, how about the focal length equivalent? And do you have any vignetting?
A 35mm lens is a 35mm lens no matter what you use it on ;-)
There is no vignetting from the adapter, only what is native to the lens (with its larger image circle)
See the actual article for details:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/fotodiox-tilt-shift-lens-adapter/
hey keith, great video! im sad, i didnt manage to get it work for my "nisi 15mm f4". You have any advice or idea why it didnt work with the TS adapter? ( im a total beginner!)
It needs to be a medium format lens, they have the flange distance and image circle needed
As with many of my videos, they only supplement my main [written] reviews, see:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/fotodiox-tilt-shift-lens-adapter/
I have a Canon 6d mk1 and I'm struggling to get a tilt shift adapter lens at a price worth paying. So far the combined cost of a tilt shift adapter and suitable fitting lens equals the cost of buying an actual tilt and shift lens! Any thoughts? I'm UK based.
My EF mount one is shift only - there is generally not really enough clearance for a more complex mechanism. This one came from eBay a few years ago. I've not seen any good EF tilt/shift adapters for something like M645 ?
It's mirrorless where the real benefits of adapters shine, with accurate metering and focus peaking. The one I'm showing here is only RF mount - I already have the M645 lenses, so there's no significant cost. However this has upped the cost of used MF lenses.
Using this adapter with medium format lens on the 135 full frame camera body, dose the focal length change into narrow ?
The focal length (and aperture) is unchanged - the field of view is of course reduced by the smaller sensor
www.northlight-images.co.uk/video-shift-tilt-crop-sensors/
hello, can you show me using fotodiox adapter for mamiya 645 tele lenses on EOS R?
The only long lens I used in the testing was the 210/4 shown at the end of the video.
I don't have any other 645 lenses - what aspects of use were you thinking of?
I also don't have an EOS R - but it's effectively the same as the RP I'm using.
Do you know if it's possible to use other lenses on Mamiya 645?
Probably, but adapters are unlikely to be easy to find.
would the adapter work with a tilt shift lens? would this give me twice as much shift and tilt?
Yes - If you have a medium format tilt/shift lens
Potential issues are vignetting by parts of the lens/adapter mount, shifting more than the image circle of the lens covers, and the adapter tilt axis being offset from the original tilt axis.
What lens were you thinking of?
@@KeithCooper thanks for responding so quickly. I was looking for more shift with Nikon pce 19 or maybe the Nikon pce 24mm. can I find an adapter that accepts Nikon lenses and attaches to my d800 body?
Is there an adapter for apsc Sony?
You need to check the fotodiox site for the range.
I've only ever used Nikon/Canon
whats the quality like?
See more at the actual review at:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/fotodiox-tilt-shift-lens-adapter/
The device is solidly built - image quality is as good as the lens you use...
@@KeithCooper thanks for answering
@@KeithCooper guess i wont use crushed coke can!