I clicked on this video on a whim, and while I don't think I'll ever attempt to work on a cymbal. I sure am impressed with the care you've taken in organizing this content and the quality of the information you are sharing. This is such a cool resource for music nerds. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Nice job, Timothy! Great sounding ride. I liked your analogy of the guitar string having no sonic property until put under tension, and how that's the process with cymbals, hammering to stress the metal. As usual, a fascinating insight into how cymbals are created. Look forward to your next post. Thank you for sharing your skills.
Yes, there's a difference. It's not so much in the makeup of the alloy. It's mostly in the tools used and the process. The Brazilian blanks are cleaner and have fewer defects.
I love seeing this whole process! Truly remarkable! I'm a big fan of how this cymbal sounds now. It has the Roy Haynes/Chick Corea flat ride sound (with more complexity) at the current weight, and it's already wonderfully crashable. As far as small flat rides go, that cymbal is the gold standard.
Flat ride is right up there near the top of my wishlist! I'd be curious to hear the cymbal played with the good mic on it throughout all the different early stages of crafting it. It'd be cool to see at which point it turns from a metal 'thonk' to someyhing that actually has a little tone and sustain, and how that develops through the process. Great videos- I've been bingeing them all day!
Thanks! It usually starts sounding ok at around 80% through the process. Just after hammering it's really choked and dry. It usually needs a full week to open up.
That came out beautifully....let's see if you play it after resting and final touch ups to see if the sound opens up..... ..... .. . . .. . . . ... . .. .......a little dark and woofy, but nice stick definition, and still a beautiful cymbal. Nice work.
I definitely want at least one 22” ride, and one flat ride. I need to find out about prices, so I can start putting money aside. I love what I’m hearing and seeing
Yes, but some places will add trace elements of other metals for experimentation. Also, many foundries have trace elements of other things in the alloy just due to have dirty equipment.
@ Ziljian’s bronze formula, a trade secret for over four centuries, has silver as a component to their alloy. If you watch the YT documentary on their company, they show a guy sorting out crude, inch-thick bronze ingots-and even in that state, they absolutely ring when struck.
Very cool! So if you were going to hammer a bell into the cymbal would you do it after your initial hammering and you decided what would be the top and bottom?
On a flat blank, I start very first thing with hammering the bell. I can tell based on the shape which way it'll want to go. With a flat ride, sometimes the material will respond differently, causing me to change which I designate as the top.
very interesting. Cymbal sounds nice....I kinda dug it a bit more before you took the extra grams off of it, but that's just my weird taste, and both ways are very nice. How long does it take to do this? Can't quite tell from the video if it's an hour and a half or all day. I'm wondering just about the time you're actually working on it, not the resting periods. Also, what's the name for the stick-like thing you use to shave the cymbal? I will be very embarrassed if that's the actual lathe. I always figured the lathe was the machine that spins it. thx!
Thanks Dave! I like the sound both ways too. The heavier version would work better for certain applications. I usually spend between 2-5 hrs per cymbal, stretched out over multiple weeks. The stick thing is the cutting tool. The machine it's mounted to is the lathe!
@@Reverie_Cymbals_Drumsthat's what I guessed but I thought I was being too obvious, like if there was an industry-specific name for it or something. thanks man, and beautiful work as always
What the hell Tim? 2 weeks of big fat juicy flat rides. Enough already! I’m not a smart person Tim. I don’t like having my conventions challenged Tim. I don’t want to start liking flat rides all of a sudden. It’s been a 30 year war I’ve waged against flat rides, ever since that son of a bitch at the guitar shop convinced me flat rides were “The Choice “ for that pingy “Metal” Vinny Paul ride sound. He sold me a goddamn lead slab of 70”s Zildjian bonk.
Your hammering tempo averages 157 BPM
Very consistent!
I must order a flat ride from you
I guess all that practicing I did in college payed off! haha
maybe thats the BPM of the song he has in his headphones.
Tim + Bronze = Musical Wizardry
Great stuff my man!!
Thanks bro!
Man!! I'm speechless, what a great video you made, thank you.
I'm already dreaming of one of those flat rides 😜
Thanks!
I clicked on this video on a whim, and while I don't think I'll ever attempt to work on a cymbal. I sure am impressed with the care you've taken in organizing this content and the quality of the information you are sharing. This is such a cool resource for music nerds. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Thank you!
I'd love to see you edge a cymbal Tim. You edged one that I sent you to mod and you did a superb job. I'd love to see that in action!
I'll have to include that part in the next one!
Nice job, Timothy! Great sounding ride. I liked your analogy of the guitar string having no sonic property until put under tension, and how that's the process with cymbals, hammering to stress the metal. As usual, a fascinating insight into how cymbals are created. Look forward to your next post. Thank you for sharing your skills.
Thanks for watching!
Is there a difference between a brazilian blank and a turkish, a chinese and a sabian?? (in sound maybe and price)???
Yes, there's a difference. It's not so much in the makeup of the alloy. It's mostly in the tools used and the process. The Brazilian blanks are cleaner and have fewer defects.
Thank you AGAIN for not gatekeeping this info. You're awesome
Thank YOU for watching!
I love seeing this whole process! Truly remarkable! I'm a big fan of how this cymbal sounds now. It has the Roy Haynes/Chick Corea flat ride sound (with more complexity) at the current weight, and it's already wonderfully crashable. As far as small flat rides go, that cymbal is the gold standard.
Thank you!
Love the sound made from the lathing. I would use that in a composition
you are a real master!
Thank you!
Love the jazz drumming too.. very smooth.. you lock it in!
@@mg43472 thank you!
Fascinating
I love your work
Thank you Jeff! I love your playing!
Flat ride is right up there near the top of my wishlist! I'd be curious to hear the cymbal played with the good mic on it throughout all the different early stages of crafting it. It'd be cool to see at which point it turns from a metal 'thonk' to someyhing that actually has a little tone and sustain, and how that develops through the process. Great videos- I've been bingeing them all day!
Thanks! It usually starts sounding ok at around 80% through the process. Just after hammering it's really choked and dry. It usually needs a full week to open up.
That came out beautifully....let's see if you play it after resting and final touch ups to see if the sound opens up..... ..... .. . . .. . . . ... . .. .......a little dark and woofy, but nice stick definition, and still a beautiful cymbal. Nice work.
Really enjoyed this.
The lathing sounds like a sound effect from a 60s scifi TV show.
It does! haha
Fascinating. Thanks for posting!
Amazing video as always!
I definitely want at least one 22” ride, and one flat ride. I need to find out about prices, so I can start putting money aside. I love what I’m hearing and seeing
I've got my cymbal pricing on the website here: reveriedrums.com/shop/timothy-roberts-cymbals
Great video and great sounding ride! Been looking for a flat ride myself, I might have to get one now...!
Hey! I could make you one!
maybe at some point, yes! thanks! @@Reverie_Cymbals_Drums
Very nice!
Love your videos, thanks man.
Man I been watching your videos everyday, I want to do this so bad
It's mega fun!
it would be cool if he did a workshop day, maybe 3 people comes to make cymbal each for the day?
@@krusher74 I would travel to any of the other 49 states to do that, seriously!
Great playing!!!!!! Great work. Really an inspiration.
Thank you!
Looks like Clutch's Pure Rock Fury album on your iPhone.. ? Also.. beautiful job on the ride!
such a good video. such a great artisan.
Thank you!
Love the tones and versatility of the cymbal. Could you modify and achieve a similar sound with a 20” Zildjian K Crash Ride 2153g? Keeping the bell.
Unfortunately, no. I can’t hammer a cymbal with a bell into a flat ride. I can definitely mod it into something different though!
Not sure if you have explained this before, but why do you use the shavings as a quick sanding tool at the end usually?
It clears away dust and shavings that are still attached to the surface.
@@Reverie_Cymbals_Drums Oh I see, thought it might be something like that, cheers Tim!
I have a Tosco flat ride 18 inch, and sound same
i always see you marking out a chalk line on the blank. whats that for?
Isn't that just to know the starting point?
Yeah, it's a mark so I know where my starting point is.
Great work! What you can say about hi-hat? Could it be more difficult to make?
Yes and no. Matching them can be tough at first but not when you get used to it.
Is B20 simply the standard 80% copper / 20% tin for bronze, or are there any other trace metals added to the alloy?
Yes, but some places will add trace elements of other metals for experimentation. Also, many foundries have trace elements of other things in the alloy just due to have dirty equipment.
@ Ziljian’s bronze formula, a trade secret for over four centuries, has silver as a component to their alloy. If you watch the YT documentary on their company, they show a guy sorting out crude, inch-thick bronze ingots-and even in that state, they absolutely ring when struck.
Where do the blanks come from. Brasil is big.
the foundry I use is called "Domene" and it's outside of Rio.
Very cool! So if you were going to hammer a bell into the cymbal would you do it after your initial hammering and you decided what would be the top and bottom?
On a flat blank, I start very first thing with hammering the bell. I can tell based on the shape which way it'll want to go. With a flat ride, sometimes the material will respond differently, causing me to change which I designate as the top.
Do they ever key hole when you put the Centre like that?
No, keyholing typically happens when the stand doesn't have all the parts and there's metal to metal contact for long periods of time.
@@Reverie_Cymbals_Drums key hole maybe isn’t the right word. Do they crack or do u have to chamfer the hole?
👍
How delicious does that look freshly lathed?
It's the best!
What the hell is all that damn pounding out there, im trying to read the paper
hahah yep
very interesting.
Cymbal sounds nice....I kinda dug it a bit more before you took the extra grams off of it, but that's just my weird taste, and both ways are very nice.
How long does it take to do this? Can't quite tell from the video if it's an hour and a half or all day. I'm wondering just about the time you're actually working on it, not the resting periods.
Also, what's the name for the stick-like thing you use to shave the cymbal?
I will be very embarrassed if that's the actual lathe. I always figured the lathe was the machine that spins it.
thx!
Thanks Dave! I like the sound both ways too. The heavier version would work better for certain applications.
I usually spend between 2-5 hrs per cymbal, stretched out over multiple weeks. The stick thing is the cutting tool. The machine it's mounted to is the lathe!
@@Reverie_Cymbals_Drums Thanks man, appreciate the info!
What's the thing called that you're hammering on?
the anvil!
@@Reverie_Cymbals_Drumsthat's what I guessed but I thought I was being too obvious, like if there was an industry-specific name for it or something. thanks man, and beautiful work as always
Great Video !! Can You make a Cymbal out of a piece of Sheet
Metal ? It would sound more Trashy than normal !!
Yeah you can use sheet steel, brass, copper, etc but the sonic properties wouldn't be anything like B20
great video man! where do you get the blanks from?
I get most of mine from a foundry in Brazil now.
очень интересный формат видео)) 30 минут сидеть смотреть как ктото молотком лупит)))
What the hell Tim? 2 weeks of big fat juicy flat rides. Enough already! I’m not a smart person Tim. I don’t like having my conventions challenged Tim. I don’t want to start liking flat rides all of a sudden. It’s been a 30 year war I’ve waged against flat rides, ever since that son of a bitch at the guitar shop convinced me flat rides were “The Choice “ for that pingy “Metal” Vinny Paul ride sound. He sold me a goddamn lead slab of 70”s Zildjian bonk.
hahah If I can convert you that's a win in my book!