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Sorry, commrade lefty, but i have to put some criticism here. First, It was not decommunization, but end of a totalitarian regime. Second, communists were the first turning in to nazis. Local communsts were the first starting hate speech. Third, the main reason Yugoslavija fell apart was Milosevic and Serbian idea of Great Serbia. And finnaly, secession of Slovenija was never nacionalistic project, we just don't want to live in a country where military can arrest civilians and people don't have freedom of speech.
I couldn't imagine being so salty over the success of others that you'd support a system that led to the deaths of tens of millions mostly due to starvation and purges.
The whole eastern Europe has become very racist after their decommunization. Also here in Finland the weakening of social democracy and the left losing it's marxism and becoming radlib, both caused by the decommunization of the eastern bloc countries have made ethnonationalism quite popular
You sure about that? In fact, our most ethnonationalist governments were the ones during the communist era (Gomułka in Poland, Ceausescu in Romania etc.)
That was very good. I particularly like your final point about learning from past socialist experiments; I find that too often discussion of socialism becomes a straight question of yay or nay with little attention actually paid to the more granular issues of how different socialist societies functioned, and what we can learn from them for the future.
Because socialism definitely does work, anyone not blinded by the TINA doctrine knows this as an objective fact. For the Soviet Union to've turned from a backwards feudal agrarian economy to an early space age power in under 50 years?! We know it works, faults notwithstanding. Marxism-Leninism and associated philosphies and systems simply need tweaking, but we're going to have to be on guard against the usual neoliberal and other capitalist suspects and pro-capitalist sympathisers.
i now recall a neo-liberal bussiness type influencer from Romania impotently cry to kyosaki that "romanians are still in transition from communism" my brothers in Cristos, you made the last 30 years of mâncătorie and instabilitate edit: opa moment reading the repetition, utterly embarrassed, corrected myself
@@andreimoga7813 When people talk about the failure of Socialism I have to remind them that the USSR in 30 years turned feudal agrarian nations into industrial powerhouses that fully housed and educated their populations despite world wars, famines and other tragedies whereas in the past 30 years capitalism has hardly done anything for Eastern Europe and most Soviet Bloc nations today are worse off than they were 30 years ago. Where's the capitalist miracle that was promised?
Poland - 1956 (Collectivization of Agriculture is stopped), 1970 (Gierek comes to power and gets a bunch of IMF and Western loans, because of the detente conditions), 1978 (John Paul II becomes pope and chuds go apeshit), 1980 (Food prices are raised, leading to big strikes by the syndicalist Solidarnośc.), 1981 (Solidarnośc gets a new leadership, redirecting the union towards liberalism and pro-Catholicism. The instability and lingering issues like corruption as well as the focus on exports to pay off the west or lack of imports due to western economic pressure lead to rationing), 1989 (government falls), 1990 (Balcerowicz reforms - market economy)
my frate, they destroyed Romania in our time as well. may boc get ciuperca piciorului and râie for all that he's done to us i did not get a primary trustworthy source for this, but apparently ceausescu was trying to set up an international monetary organization counter to the imf. i think you'd be interested, maybe you'll look it up
Funny enough, here in Serbia some historians are advocating the decommunization, although the communist ideology officially no longer exists. BTW, great video, druže!
Right wingers are crazy , Here on the other side of the adriatic , in italy : right wing politicians claim that the unions are ruling italy , while workers are loosing rights constantly , Also one of my classmate claimed that the "biennio rosso" two years 120 years ago in wich class conflict came to ahead , justified : 20 years of fascism , the christian democratics ruling italy from the end of WW2 all the way to '92 , And an shitty neoliberal entrepenuer who we know has been in massonic lodges and was in governament for 20 years , Apparently we are 6000 times more efficient than them apparently , That is also because you need to teach fascism , while inquisitive pepoles will start seeing trough stuff , You need to teach them to be mad at the poor and at the immigrants , While you don't teach that their boss could neg them less and pay them more , to the logical extent that well the boss ends up not being there in the end
I grew up in China in the 70s and 80s, Yugoslavia was so cool. I watched tons of anti-nazi war movies over and over again. There were even Yugoslavia produced movies of the American Westerns, and "Onkel Toms Hütte" jointly produced in Yugoslavia.
@@A-A_P well not realy anti communisam and well many serbs working with fascist was never realy a huge suprise. And how serbs talk shit about Albanians and Muslims in general. Etc even during Yugoslavia. And I'm a serb.
only reason i came to the comments because i had nothing to say while i processed the rest of the video. the balkan wars were "happening" and then "hushy shush" during the time i would have learned about them in school.
It caught my attention that footage you used that quoted that "yugoslavia had the longest hyperinflation crisis in the world (24 months". It is weird that events become the "world's most" if it fits the narrative. Suddently, we can forget south america inflation crisis during the 70's - 90's, weimar republic hyperinflation and the list goes on. Just like Ukraine became "the first war in europe since / The most bombs dropped in Europe since WW2" (conventily forgetting about NATO intervention in the Balkans during the 90's). History is rewritten at a whim, if the dominant classes need it, not to mention the redefining of geography to fit regions into continents according to interest.
South American here. I'd love to see them comparing actual numbers-some countries had as much as 3000% inflation. I'm not joking. Three. Thousand. Percent. Inflation.
I think there is a clear difference between a war and an intervention of any sort. The yugoslav war was still a war, just not mainly this part. And the amount of bombs was still perhaps smaller. This confict has not been forgotten. As the west helped the ones being attacked unjustly back then, they are doing it now in Ukraine.
"The sooner we will stop dying for colourful cloth and nationalist songs!" bruh. How do you take such a simple statement and give it so much punch? Amazing. Just fuckin amazing.
WW1 was caused by internationalism. By a twisted web of international treaties. All it took was one little nation going to war to embroil most of Europe in a hellish conflict. Isolationism is what prevents war. Once you start getting involved with the politics of another nation, you're playing a high stakes game. And the more players, the greater the potential blood bath.
While I applaud your astute historical analysis on the dissolution of Yugoslavia, I think it’s a grave fallacy of false equivalence to assert that simply because Ukraine was also formerly part of the socialist world, its fight against Russian imperialism is equal to that of the Balkanization of Yugoslavia. It is certainly not bullshit to say Ukraine is a sovereign nation fighting to protect its independence and self determination from being taken by a man who wishes to revive the borders of the Russian empire. While I’m not necessarily saying this was a statement coming from bad faith, I think it’s worth noting that imperialism isn’t only bad when the west does it and the left seems to completely ignore this and assume that just because Russia and the U.S. aren’t on friendly terms then it must mean that every violation of international law Russia commits must be some act of self defense against “western aggression”. It’s a blatant sign that dissemination of Kremlin disinformation is successful among both the far right and far left. Not trying to be a dick, I’ve been a fan for a long time but I felt the need to state my case here
Thank you for writing what I've been wanting to say. This " US only bad mentality" found on many socialist channels have been pushing me away from socialism. US is bad, but so is Russia and China. So is Europe as a whole. Some countries practice hard imperialism (war, destabilisation measures) and others soft imperialism (economic exploitation) or a mix of both. This is something we need to realise and end, not for one country, but for all countries. For the records, I'm a Finn.
You don't have to assume that "it must be" a reply to western aggression, when you learn what were the peace conditions after WW2, when Ukraine was established as an independent country. These conditions have been clearly violated by the US for 8 years or so. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@artyom-ovsepyan In 2014 the USA funded and backed a neo-nazi coup in Maidan, toppling the democratically elected government and installing a puppet regime. Since then we've funneled and washed billions of dollars through the country, exacerbating an already serious corruption problem and helping the neo nazi azovs to be formally integrated into the Ukrainian military. Crimea voted to rejoin Russian in 2014 because the USA wiped out their government. People in Donbas have every right to life, liberty, and their native language.
I see that Westerners are pulling the "Capitalism favors the successful", and "Capitalism breeds innovation and better living standard" premises while ignoring the fact that Capitalism has utterly and categorically failed in Eastern and Southeastern Europe, in particular, in former Yugoslavia. Socialist Yugoslavia, during her worst year in 1991, was the world's 24th economy with a debt comprising more or less 15% of its GDP, a developed, globally competing economy satisfying the needs of the majority of the Third World and the EEC at the same time: "Mutual interactions between the two sides intensified in the late 1980s and early 1990s but all progress was cut off as of 25 November 1991 due to the wars in Slovenia and Croatia. Prior to the cut-off, Yugoslavia was the EEC's second largest trade partner in the Mediterranean area, just after Algeria, with 90% of industrial imports from Yugoslavia to the EEC not subject to any duty.[2]". Not to mention that Yugoslavia was a domineering force in sports, culture, digital electronic computing, and robotics in its socialist form, and wielded global influence during the Cold War as a result of its Non-Aligned Movement and thus also had the majority vote in the UN, whereas today, it's capitalist successor states are the very opposite and are being destroyed by Western-propped neo-colonization, corruption, stagnation, destabilization, and subversion, and are, at best, vassal-states of Germany and the USA whose intelligence services operate with impunity in the territories of SE Europe. In summary, capitalism in former Yugoslavia did not favor the successful and it did not breed success, it did not and doesn't breed innovation and better living standards, it does the opposite - it is the preeminent reason why Yugoslavia's successor states did not retain their forefather's status of "developed economy", or better yet, it's status as a sovereign, global-competing state, and were reduced to the status of "developing economies" that are worse off than some war-torn, African states, and with staggeringly failing living standards and plummeting birth rates. The Capitalist West doesn't even breed success in its native, Western environments when its mere survival is tied to draining Eastern and Southeastern Europe, and the Third World of its workers and top education brass, and it doesn't even breed innovation when all of its technology is being manufactured in Taiwan and China, and better living standards are a straight-out lie and are reserved solely for the wealthy elites. Capitalism doesn't even breed competition because the West had demonstrated, time and time again, that it does not tolerate competition, but actively destroys it, like in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and the attempt was made in Russia, but that has failed miserably, and we're all witness to that. If there is competition, the West will, in time, lose, there's a reason why the only solid guarantee of the American dollar, and with it, Western/Capitalist hegemony is the preeminent military power of the USA. Considering the current global geopolitical and economic situation, they're losing both the military might and the USA dollar-defined hegemony.
This is not just about communism.Constantly blaming the "dark past" for failures of the present system eventually lead the people into an iconoclast fury against societal aspects associated with those dark past. In China those remnants are the manchus,in Former Yugoslavia those remnants are neighbouring ethnic groups and socialism,in decolonized countries western style education,and in South Asia religious minorities Not a communist or class thing at all
It is worth noting that the supposed bankruptcy of countries like Yugoslavia or the GDR was mostly used as an excuse by the west to put economic pressure on the eastern countries, as well as for local allies of liberalism to force through reforms. The external debt to gdp ratio of these two countries at its peak (respectively 20% in 1990 for the GDR and 32% in 1982 for Yugoslavia) were not only ridiculously low for modern standards but also lower than their contemporary western counterparts' (even the FRG!). As far as I'm aware the only AES country of that era to have a debt crisis was Hungary, and even that was only at levels of Italy. The justification the lib economists say is "the country became unable to service their debts through exports", giving no proof. But alas, Perestroika, the "Let's leave the economy into the hands of the factory managers/totally not the new wannabe bourgeois" has destroyed supply of goods by making profitability the driving principle of the economy and defanging GOSPLAN, which collapsed stability in the Eastern Bloc. This made the libs sense Blood and supported nationalists and local libs to the fullest, so the governments feel one by one. Where it didn't succeed (Bulgaria, where the gorbachevite, but still, Communists won the 1990 elections) the opposition's labor agitation (strikes etc.) plus the collapse of the COMECON made it very difficult for socialism to survive.
I don't think the GDR gets the credit it deserves for their economic performance. It managed to grow at 4,5% during 40 years, even paying huge reparations to the soviets. Also worth taking a look at is Bulgaria, which was much poorer before socialism and managed to be the country in the Eastern Bloc where 40% of electronics were produced, and the third producer at world scale. I think their economic grow on average was like 6%, it was massive.
Weird how not resistant authoritarian socialism is when it can get dissolved that easily :) perestroika and all those reforms came as a reaction to the failure of the Planned economy bruv.
@@XHitsugaX Nice smug condescension lib :) Weird how each successive market reform, giving less power to the state and more to the factory managers, actually worsened the situation and created stagnation, like the Kosygin reforms. Then weird how the introduction of a full market system made living standards and the economy collapse and plunged millions of people into poverty and made millions more emigrate to do shitty jobs in the west. :) As for the stability element, nice world we have outside today, no? Inflation, shortages, millions dying due to preventable disease, fascism rising and becoming mainstream in much of the world and of course total interdependence on imports from all corners of the world biting back in the ass, hard. Sure love being at the mercy of the company owners :)
@@gosplan1460 I do not disagree. Im not a fan of privatization. But the copium of leftists why the poor Sowiet Union and "Socialism" failed due to reforms is so anoying. The reforms came because the economy was struggling. Lib? I grew up in the SU. Not only was the dissolution of it one of the greatest aspects of enriching Cultural and linguistical diversity by removing Russian influence from Poland, Hungary, Kazakhstan and the baltics. Now Russians need to learn respective languages and the cultures recover from the ethnic cleansing and culutural genocide enacted by the Russians. I'm a descendant of Russian settlers in a country thats not native to Russians. I know the history of it all too well.
@@XHitsugaX Oh, the USSR had problems definitely. The dependence on oil exports starting from the 1970s, the increased difficulty in imports due to low reserves of western currency (while western countries could buy Soviet Bloc products, and at very cheap prices - classic imperialism), difficulties at logistics and corruption in production (reporting higher outputs than actual for example. Also leading to poor workplace discipline over the years as the workers felt like the party boss was getting privileges they weren't for example) were among the big ones. To deny that would be unmaterialist (materialism = actual state of affairs and what steps to take to improve it. The opposite is idealism = "this is how it should be, regardless of whether it's possible") and materialism is a central aspect of Marxism after all. Even the above problems weren't unfixable or for the most part inherent to the attempted models of Socialist economies and contrary to popular belief, Socialist countries require lots of popular input into building socialism and do the whole "Let's strive to abolish class society" thing. The Soviet Union (notably dissolved by its elites against popular will in 1991) and their allies either failed or were dragged down by their allies' failures, but other models (Cuba for example) survived and much like the liberals learned from the failures of the French revolution, we know now what went wrong last time and what we have to make the socialism of the future better.
4:02 I met a dude once whose parents or grandparents had moved to Australia over the fall out over Serbia. He was Croat, and probably the single most racist person I've ever met, which hardly surprises me after hearing that lol
It’s not uncommon in Australian football matches with Croatian immigrant teams for the Nazi salute to be used by Croatian fans as well as having a portrait of Ante Pavelić in their club houses. Idiots.
Remember everyone: Getting an A from your reactionary history teacher in high school doesn't mean you actually know anything about the world and no war but class war!
history teachers are either vanilla status-quo-praising liberals or varyingly right-oriented and nationalistic individuals i have yet to meet one who is different
"Um, 'No war but class war' is ackutshchully an outdated, infantile, unpragpatic ultra slogan, we need to pick a side in this interimperialist conflict because *instert wall of text here*, and if you disagree you're hecking raycist and probably orientalist as well. Anyway, remember to go out and voot for [neolib/rightoid nationalist party] in the next election."
So what war is Russia leading in Ukraine? Is it working class Russia leading war vs Capitalist USA or is it Russian imperialism working on trying to destroy their neighbour under the guise of Russian empire dreaming about the 19th century. Some wars are just that: ethnonationalist imperialist that want to control and own other countries under the leadership of the big "brother" I dont give a fuck about the US military industrial complex getting richer by supplying Ukraine if it means Russia doesnt get their ultranationalist pipedream
>Единственная страна СНГ, в которой я тонула в шовинизме - Россия >Проявляет шовинизм. >Роззиян >подразумевает, что не является нацистом. Сука, вы реально настолько глупые?
@@EvilKGB где я проявляла шовинизм? Шовинизм, это когда нормально писать, что квартиры сдаются только славянам, и не нести за это никакого наказания, потому что это норм и силовым структурам, и административным.. Это структуральный шовинизм. Не пускать домой всем соседским составом, вешать камеры перед твоей дверью, все только потому, что у тебя небелое лицо. Это когда никого не смущает пресловутое мороженное "обамка", потому что ачетакова. Много я где была, знаю что такое расизм, но в такой степени, чтобы каждый день докапывался любой, кто захочет - это только у вас. И вы еще считаете норм лезть поучать кого то, что такое шовинизм, когда сами по уши в этом говне на системном уровне?
@@EvilKGB йеп. Коли хтось кличе себе ВЕЛИКОросами, стверджує, що чийсь етнос та національність "вигадані", після чого веде проти цього етносу загарбницьку війну, це словникова інтерпретація слова "шовінізм". Українці не хочуть захоплювати Ростов, бомбити Москву, чи переписувати російські підручники історії. Ми лише хочемо, щоб ви від нас від'єбалися та дали спокійно жити у власній країні.
on the one hand, i fear for when i will have to face first-hand my home country's collapse, since i neither afford nor want to take refuge in some "safe" imperial core country on the other hand, if i survive the coming hunger and possible bloodshed, i want to see what is born of it. i'd want us to make a humane system out of the ashes, and i'd like to live to see it
When people talk about the failure of Socialism I have to remind them that the USSR in 30 years turned feudal agrarian nations into industrial powerhouses that fully housed and educated their populations despite world wars, famines and other tragedies whereas in the past 30 years capitalism has hardly done anything for Eastern Europe and most Soviet Bloc nations today are worse off than they were 30 years ago. Where's the capitalist miracle that was promised?
"Even if the Soviet Union, as a result of internal difficulties, external blows and the mistakes of leadership, were to collapse - which we firmly hope will not happen - there would remain an earnest of the future this indestructible fact, that thanks solely to a proletarian revolution, a backwards country has achieved in less than ten years successes unexampled in history." -Leon Trotsky, 'Revolution Betrayed'. This guy was a true prophet.
What's built in a day, can be torn down in less. Build your house on the foundations of a constitutional Republic, where individual states are equally represented, and your house will last forever. Build your house on a foundation of violent authoritarianism, where satellite states are ruled with little to no meaningful representation, and your house will crumble before it's truly been built. Soviet communism is merely a slavic rebrand of slavery. And that's the harsh truth.
I don't know how to put it into words - is it your thick Slav accent or the fact I'm a Slav too but you've easily become my favourite commentator on the left. Gags, facts, aesthetics - keep it up, Югопник!
Book recommendation: Sarajevo Under Siege by Ivana Macek. An anthropologist who researched nationalism in Sarajevo in the 90s. She shows how nationalistic sentiments was a product of Yugoslavia splitting up and the subsequent war, rather than nationalism being its cause as conventional narratives like to describe it. Of course there is more to that process than the war itself but the book really illuminates the social dynamics of this intense situation.
i swear to fucking god ive been manifesting a video about this for literal fucking months and now ive finally gotten it and its fucking great, literally got chills at the end, good job and thank you slava jugoslaviji
I am not sure where Yugo lives, but if you mean for ex-Yugoslavian countries - all we feel is propaganda from all sides and the fear it's packaged in. Though it does put a wedge between people, as lots of people I know and love are in the "USA = bad" camp and I am in " Imperialism = bad" and can't stand the "war was inevitable and USA made it inevitable" talking points. Nobody here wants the war, but people do give excuses to that egomaniacal spy sending young men to their death.
Thank you, my based Yugoslav brother. Here from former RSFSR. Shit hitting the fan like everyday in media-sphere, especially here in Russia (with fucking blender of opinions and propoganda, state or not) and you videos and channel like a breath of fresh air. Peace to you!
@@JoseRodriguez-pn8yj yeah. Our "communist party" no other than a bunch of post-world-war2 kids, which uses mix of soft near-communist rhetoric and soviet nostalgia to gain stable vote from pensioners and idealistic civilians, so they can continue to get money from government and divert people's anger from ruling class. Every big state-connected party, like right-wing LDPR - Liberal-Democratic Party of Russia, moderate soc-dem "Справедливая Россия" (means "Fair Russia") and other smaller spoiler-parties do the same with their own stratum of population. But on the other side we have galaxy of radical liberal organisations, 99% of which are sponsored by western governments or "human rights organisations", trying to destroy ruling party and install new, "correct" government (which truly means they replace one oligarchs with another). Here's we have Navalny and his "Фонд борьбы с коррупцией" (Anti-Corruption Foundation), Radio Freedom, TV Channel "Дождь" (means Rain) and a lot of other smaller organisations and persons And at last, we have handful of small groups and independent media, which is too small to have big audience and regularly terrorised by government, with variety of political visions (from fundamentalist orthodox to trotskyiest to ancap to ancom). Russian politics is like a wild west or post-apocalyptic wasteland, and this shit piss me and a lot of political-involved people.
Another banger and a wonderful insight into what led to the decline of socialist countries. Although, I must admit a bit depressing, too, as every time the story of the collapse of Yugoslavia is brought upon. May peace and internationalism prevail!
Good faith question: what other choice do Ukranians have right now? I completely get it, no war but class war, however given that class war doesn't seem to happen very soon, should Ukranians yield to Russia just so the war can end? Like I see this argument a lot, but I don't see the pragmatic use of it. A lot of Ukranian leftists and even anarchists are fighting right now for Ukraine, because getting annexed into a 2nd Russian Empire would be worse. Like I guess the could do a revolution in Kyiv, but how would that convince the Russian army to stop shelling? How will revoluiton come to Russia? Or anywhere else for that matter? If it's not world revolution, it's basically fucked anyway, because on the long run, capitalists always win the war of economy.
I'm not sure that that was what he was arguing - I don't think he was saying anything about what they should do now (obviously this is an aggressive war, poor folk), but rather he was furious and mourning the general nationalist, ideological and economic foolishness that even let this war happen in the first place.
As a Chinese person, I would love to get your perspective on the system of socialism China has. Recently, a lot of Chinese industrialists have been pushing neo liberalism economics, all have either been silenced or shut down. As someone who was brought up in the west, I see this as oppressive, but I don’t see how else a country can maintain control over capital, and prevent capitalist from taking control over the state
I heard from someone on YT that the Tianmen square protest was a opposite of what the West portrayed. The people didn't protest against communist policy but they protested against the privatisation after Mao death, making thousands of workers lost their jobs. If that's true, it would be one the biggest lie the West had perpetrated.
China isn't socialist anymore since the economic reforms with the fall of the Soviet union but state capitalist and authoritarian. Not long ago a chinese representative praised the importance of the private sector taking up circa half of it's economy
@@corpo9310 supressing workers through the state is inherently antisocialist, laws like you can only have one kid is antisocialist, how the chinese goverments have treated people not living in the core of the empire have been extremely repressive, a system where you dont vote for the leader but vote for leaders who pick a leader is inherently antisocialist, due to the class divide it creates. theres so much of this, china was never socialist
@@corpo9310 China has "socialism with Chinese characteristics". Edgy socialists like to use China as a functioning example of "socialism" whenever it benefits them but then claim that "China is not socialist at all" when praising China doesn't benefit their views
The issue is not the Iphone or technology considering such a technology took decades to get in Socialist countries. My granddad waited for 10 years to get his first car and he was a chief agronom of a Sovhoz and fruits and oranges and coffee you only got under the counter. The issue of Apple is that apple defacto is more powerful than the state without the accountability state officials have. They dont have to abide by the rules even states have to.
@@XHitsugaX FYI, rich boy: Oranges were also a luxury for most people in North America post-WWII. My mom used to get them in her Christmas stocking as a kid in 1960s Canada. There were of course always plenty of lovely oranges at Steinberg's, but capitalism demands more than just efficient distribution of food, doesn't it? As with our purported "freedom of speech", which always seems to bump into the ability to make a living for working people, thus making it more akin to the right to remain silent...
@@fun_ghoul and the computer by a German during Nazi times whats your point? The issue is not the invention its the public availability and its undeniable that Sowiet union had a lack of technology and convenience for people. My whole family lived there for generations. And both my grandma and grandpa said compared what they have now in Germany to what they had in the SU they were dirt poor. And my granddad was a high ranking agronom and party member. They dont want ever to live back there where stores were empty and all good stuff you only could get under the counter.
"The quicker we'll stop dying for colorful cloth! and national songs!" - Yeah, dude. The very thought that would keep me awake at 3 AM. And now I'm a subscriber! 👉 ~
I fear the new generations they always stand for decommunization for some reason but they dont even know what they are talking about it is frightening. Great video druže.
Okay, but why then we didn’t see civil war in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Czech republic, despite the fact that these countries were in the forefront of decommunisation, Poland even did ban communist party entirely. But we had national based civil war in, for example, Russia, which was and still is holding for the Soviet legacy?
Poland is a far-right country, banning abortions, and fighting against women's rights, LGBT, and migrants. Alongside Hungary, they are a fortress of white supremacy and ultranationalism in Europe. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia are too small to have any relevancy, yet they have continuously passed laws discriminating against ethnic minorities, their industries are largely in crisis and lots of young people emigrate West in a search of a better life. Furthermore, none of these countries are internationalist, so there's no ethnocentric ground to break them up further. They all have rising militaristic and anti-Russian sentiments. Poland would be eager to occupy parts of Belarus and Ukraine if they had an opportunity to do so. Other factors are related to those countries being allowed into the EU and Nato and heavy monetary support from the imperial core. I don't know anything about the Czech Republic, but I think the point is fairly clear.
some other conflicts in more major post-communist countries include Armenia and Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Russia and Georgia and Chechnya and Ukraine, all of which should not have been.
The nations you mentioned were FORCED to be communist. Nothing can be forced, otherwise it will be counterproductive. In the other former communist nations, there are some factions of the former communist parties are still governing the country in the modern era.
1. How, who and what for would Poland fight for, for instance, when: 1.1. Poland is a homogeneous country with borders which were agreed upon after the WWII; 1.2. The only potential big territorial dispute that might have happened between Poland and someone else is over "Kresy Wschodnie" with Ukraine. Why would Poland fight over some land in western Ukraine, when Ukraine is willingly becoming a junior economic partner/vassal of Poland? Especially now? The thing that Russia failed to do with Ukraine but failed, hence the war was seen by Kremlin as "necessary"? Do you even Sun Tzu, my guy? 2. How did Russia hold to its Soviet legacy during fucking Yeltsin's times, my dude? Even now I would say the only Soviet symbols Putin is trying to use - not hold to - are all of "muh big Empire" vibe, not of "socialism is good". Hence Putin sometimes praises Stalin (though he praises even fucking Yeltsin more often than Stalin. And I don't even mention all the times when he praised Alexander III), but he has never praised Lenin. In fact he outright condemns Lenin for everything.
This is very good video, I've been looking for a while for a leftist perspective on the history of Yugoslavia, because all I knew was probably western propaganda so thank you very much for educating us.
Good job as always. Weight of Chains goes a little bit more in depth into the forced dismantling of the Yugoslav state and the subsequent descent into chaos if people haven’t seen that.
I love this. My great grand father was a Croatian immigrant. I don't know much about that side of the family, so this video brought me a little closer to them, especially as someone advocating Socialism. Good video, man!
On one hand, this is a spectacular video that made its painful point very well. On the other hand, I have now been convinced of my theory that fascism is Europe's future. To say my day is ruined is an understatement.
Do you know, what fascism is excactly? And where do you see it? In Russia? Hell yes, but they have been like that for centuries! Anything not communist or socialist is far from fascism, a very specific ideology actually!
@@A-A_P Yes I am entirely aware of what fascism is. In Russia? Yes! In Europe? Yes! After all, it is a very specific ideology actually! I am accusing them of having and embracing a very specific ideology! And as far as I am concerned, this comment I left *a year ago* has only been vindicated by the past several months! And no, Russia, whatever it is now, has not been fascist "for centuries" because it is a very specific ideology actually which has not existed for centuries. Russia bad! Western powers also bad! I think all human life has value! All their victims matter, actually!
Tell that to my relatives who spent years as political prisoners under the Yugoslav government for daring to suggest that the existing political and economic system was imperfect!
Perhaps Indonesia could be argued as the most successful decommunization effort currently. 32 years of US backed neo-liberal dictatorship has more or less erases the 1965 communist purge from the public consciousness, with the common perception of communism being an evil, bloodthirsty, godless ideology. The youngsters barely knew about the massacre that happened after the coup, the millions that were killed and disappeared for being suspected leftist, and the generational trauma that still persists to this day. Indonesia today is also perhaps a perfect example of what the western world wants a third world to be, a country ruled by a small circle of oligarchs that were more than happy to sell and exploit whatever resources it had both human and natural, a country without any real and meaningful labor or leftist movement. After the fall of the dictatorship, without any real forms of class analysis and labor solidarity, far-right organizations like islamists groups were able to grew more and more popular, along with the rise of islamic conservatism in general. Along with the downfall with Suharto's dictatorship, ethnic tensions also flare up in many regions, with many ethnic minorities (especially chinese-indonesian) becoming the main target of anger such as during the 1998 mass riot. And yes, without any strong labor movement in the country today, the ultra conservative often presents itself as the opposition to the status quo, pushing the country further to the right, with marginalized groups such as LGBTQ+ people getting stuck between the political crossfire and having their rights slowly taken away.
Ssssshhh watch for street food vendor in front of yer house wkwkwkwkwk But yea, the Jakarta method is currently one of the most successful decommunization work
Remember tvar', if you are killed for supporting right ideology, whether it's any nazi or economical views, you are being repressed and this is representation of violation of freedom of word. If you are persecuted for being communist or socialist, then it is only right, because according to German research of 40-s you're not even a human, therefore it is justified to exterminate you. Freedom of word must stand above all!
Ah, yes, the whining of poor sad tankies. How grateful I am that the days of the "prison for nations", as the USSR was called by the literal majority of its population, are never coming back, and what goes on now in Ukraine clearly shows that.
edit: and the great-granddaughter of a proud deserter of the Nazi army. Who then joined the partisans in our forests and used to work as a train conductor. How much more of a hero could he have been.
sorry you're coping. divisions in balkans date to the ottomans and austro hugarian empire. yugoslavia was at the benefit of croats, albanians, bosniaks but at a cost to serbs. same thing with russians in the soviet union.
@@theshakhrayist7649 not everyone, do not lie. There were plenty of schools where they learned Russian just formally but the rest of education was in their own language. I studied in Russian school, but there were two school across the road where everything was i Uzbek language. Of course, if some of them wanted to work on the country level they studied Russian as it was their inter-language between nations. It depended on the country of course, as in Russian-speaking regions in Ukraine they studied in Russian first and mostly and learned Ukrainian from the second grade, but that was because Russian was dominant there before the Revolution. In the army there were plenty of stories how they laughed at some who couldn't speak Russian (at Estonians or guys from Central Asia) what only proves that many people lived freely without it.
@@keiralum1797 What year? Under Stalin, Brezhnev and Andropov Russification was at an all time high, the national language was basically one foot at the grave at that moment. The only real resistance was the Baltic States who had ardent nationalists in governement like Snieckus to halt it for a good period of time but cross to Ukraine all the way to Central Asia, those languages were disappearing.
Yeah I thought the same about the music - though it seemed better after the first 2 minutes :) It can often be difficult/mentally tiring for me to understand speech when there's any background noise at all (maybe an ADHD issue), but loud music like that makes it worse. But loud background music is fairly common on TH-cam, so I assume most people are ok with it :p I enjoyed the video regardless, though
Yugopnik is another kid from the Balkans who was raised by formerly privileged parents who were made bitter because flashing their communist-party loyalty card no longer granted them benefits, after the fall of Yugoslavia. All of this is a lamentation of the fairy tale of "perfect times before West came along" and is repeating the same old tired ramblings of a tankie stuck in a fever dream. You can see how he, and most of this community are utterly disingenuous when Russian imperialism is supported, literally for the sake of just because it's anti-west, and any debates in the comment is just listening to pro-kremlin drones repeating Russian State Television propaganda word by word.
You're literally talking out of your ass. Out of most commie communities, the youtube one is where you'll see the least support for "Russian Imperialism". And things aren't perfect but it certainly beats having your economy forcebly liberalized by the US and the EU, having most of your national resources and industries either being bought for pennies by foreign capitalists or being completly destroyed by the same foreign capitalists with unreasonable market conditions where local industries just wilt and die. Capitalism is when you're sold the ideia of prosperity by selling away your sovereignty, only to later find out you're left out without both sovereignty and prosperity,
@@spurce2179I know this is a few months old comment, but I feel I should respond. I think the original commenter was coming from a leftist perspective. I come from a Romanian household with a difficult relationship with the communist government. Many of the aspects we critique of capitalism (social hierarchy, nepotism, and consistent hunger for the lower-classes) were present in the communist era government. Nevertheless, there was some good reforms. Southern Romanian in particular had an extremely unequal distribution of land before communism, the redistribution benefited many peasants. Nevertheless, kulak was never formally defined. So there were many villages that had a relatively equal distribution of land (rare, but it existed) who had their land stripped and taken away. The collectivization efforts later on would fail in Romania as Ceausescu implemented a harsh austerity policy, while simultaneously doubling down on the police state and a cult of personality. There was good and bad, as my dad says 90% bad but 10% pretty good. I give context to the leftist Eastern European perspective to dive into the next point. The original commenter might have been frustrated with the lack of critique within these systems. Those who tend to have a positive relationship with the communist governments were collaborators with the police state, or were involved in party-level politics. They were at the top of the economic and social hierarchy. I personally do not believe Yugopnik’s family were police state collaborators, as Yugoslavia was VERY different from Romania or the other Eastern European government. However, given the trauma that these systems could produce, their frustration is understandable. xoxo
Also, for many Eastern Europeans (again, this is a leftist perspective) Russia is another imperialist power. Essentially Eastern Europe has their hands tied: collaborate with a slightly more benevolent imperial power (NATO and the social costs that come with it) or be invaded by Russia.
@@agh354 Greetings friend. I would like to know what I said in the past but youtube won't even show it to me. Either way, frankly speaking, when I posted this I was far more radicalized, I have since tamed down my approach in dialogue and conversation and everything you said sounds very reasonable and agreeable to me. There were good things with the USSR but there was certainly room for exploitation/opression/etc and a lot of what happen is what I would certainly qualify as negatives. I'm no supporter of Russia but I don't really like the idea of bargaining with NATO either. Personally, even though the european landscape is looking somewhat grim with the rise of nationalism, the far right, etc, and despite finding the european project as one that can't go without criticism, I'd much rather there was a military defense organization that would defend European interests without any American interference whatsoever. Until then I don't believe we're truly free, so to speak. With that said, I don't support the government of Russia one bit and I find it despicable that there's so many people just dying in the meat grinder for a seemingly pointless, never ending power struggle. Sad reality we face nowadays and it's hard to stay positive. Cheers to you. Big love from Portugal.
Edit: it's в горах югославии (in the mountains of Yugoslavia) it was a Soviet film made around 1946. Could not find it in any language other than Russian unfortunately. What was the movie called that you showed in the middle, and do you know of any translations available for it in other languages
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24. If God is real, he loves your boss as much as you do
@@AnotherConscript My whole family are government workers. The COVID pandemic only cemented the notion that state owned businesses provide more security even if it's exchanged for lower wages in the short term. Many fanatic supporter of capitalism will call me a bootlicker and someone who loves government bureaucracy. Guess they have never had to deal with corporate bureaucracy. It much worse.
@@minhducnguyen9276 The state enterprises are more secure than private enterprises due too most (outside of the US ofcourse) not being forced too produce profit but a service too a guaranteed base of customers(the working class) although some can get weighted down by bureaucracy, aslong as there is a strong political motivation too get something done they will get it done such as the COVID vaccinations and incentives too stay home.
@@AnotherConscript You are encouraged to stay home because you get paid anyway. It's not everynone fault that they can't go to work. And the state owned business get funding to maintain the workforce instead of laying them off.
Excellent video! Capitalism is all about dividing people into warring groups for the sake of exploitation and greed. Only communism is about unity and the common good! Keep up the good work!
Hey just stumbled in here and these are some hot takes im not used to seeing. Putting the culture war shit aside. Not a got ya. I actually want to know. 1. Of the dozen or so countries that were communist in the last hundred years. How do you explain there economic failure, human rights violations, and what is your perspective on the vast majority of them being overthrown by a population that felt they were suffocating to their individual liberty. No argument or what about ism. I genuinely would like a answer becouse I can't comprehend from my perspective observing this history and coming to the conclusion that communism is good. Like there is a good amount to want to change about capitalism. But at the very least it looks to be way better for the people actually existing under it than any communist state in history right?
Also 2. What ideological grounds makes communist consider Hitler as right wing. I get that he isn't someone that anyone particularly wants to own. But to my understanding he wanted the state to own everything through collectivisation. In the interest of the people. Isn't that the point of communism. State ownership so that capitalists can't exploit people. The only difference I see is he applied the class dynamic to race inside germany instead of workers of the world. Wich I think that of the world thing is mostly hypothetical becouse evry communist country I can thank of are nationalist as shit
Didn't Communists butcher each other all the time and also remain very divided? Hell, the fact that a Politburo existed at all means that by default there was an "elite" in every Communist attempt in history. The only difference is that Capitalists can function with differing ideologies while Communists just give you the rope and claim themselves to be virtuous.
@@coltoncarrington2407 Pretty good points. But I can point out the fact north countries are pretty good without any violations (probably). Now for circle jerking I would like to say none of current communist countries have ever been communist. Like straight up. Which leads us to the point that we are not ready for communism yet. Until people will grasp the concepts of democracy we can’t jump straight into the communism. It’s just that far fetched from us right now.
@@coltoncarrington2407 Interesting questions. I would start with your claim that they were all "economic failures". The economy was booming in the Soviet Union during the 30's while the rest of the world was suffering the Great Depression. In less than one generation the Soviet Union went from a serf society where the vast majority of the population were illiterate peasants who lived in shacks to a world superpower that got into space first. The population became almost totally literate and they had access to housing, and free health care and education. Did the Soviet Union have its problems? Yes, of course. But it was not as nearly as bad as western propagandists pretend it was. For instance, they say that Stalin killed 20 to 25 million of his own people. Where did those numbers come from? Answer: one book--The Black Book of Communism written about an anti-communist fanatic. The actual number, according to Soviet records, was around 800,000. That is a lot to be sure but these were very trying times. There were attempts to overthrow the Soviet State by those who had never accepted the Bolsheviks. Did innocent people get caught up in these purges? Yes. That is one of the bad chapters of Soviet history. The same goes for Mao. He took a huge nation of illiterate peasants and educated and housed them. Plus you have to realize that every communist nation arose AFTER a brutal war. Plus all were poverty stricken. That is a fact. So trying to build a decent society was a daunting task. Add to that fact that in every case the USA and it's western allies did everything they could to bring down the fledgling communist nations. The did embargoes, covert actions, actual military attacks, sabotage, and every trick in the book to defeat said nation. So every communist country was started with the chips stacked against them. the fact that they accomplished so much with so little is just amazing. In every communist nation they raised the standards of living, gave people free education and health care and provided housing. Does America give its people those things? No. American society is based on greed and exploitation. I should also point out that in reality these countries were building a socialist society with the end goal of communism; a stateless, class-less, money-less society. They did not achieve their goals obviously due to many circumstances. And those countries, with the exception of Albania and Romania were not "overthrown" by the people as you claim. They just turned capitalist. The people were convinced, mostly through western propaganda, that capitalism would make everything better and they protested for change. Well they got their capitalism and it was a disaster! For the first time people faced unemployment, food insecurity and homelessness. Polls taken not that long ago showed that around 60% to 70% of the people in the former Soviet Union and eastern Europe would like to go back to the old days. They may not have had all the advantages of western consumerism but they had security and decent lives. And I would ask you how is capitalism better? Look around you. We have a huge problem with homelessness, & prices for food, housing, education and fuel are through the roof! Forty percent of Americans live in poverty and paycheck to paycheck. Plus capitalism is destroying life on earth all for profit. Capitalism is a virus that destroys its host. This is why we need a new path. And that path is communism. I hope this answered some of your questions. I would also suggest you watch videos by TH-camr Hakim. He presents this stuff much more succinctly than I do.
A small clarification: The Yugoslav Wars (1991-2001) have a 130k-140k death toll, which is nowhere near the biggest combined death estimates from all sides of the war right now. So still not the bloodiest european conflict after WW2.
@@midnightblue1874 What I meant was that the current Russo-Ukrainian war is not the bloodiest european conflict since WW2, like the author said in the video.
@@tmgn7588 At least 100,000, probably a lot more, have died since the Ukraine war began back in 2014. The whole thing probably could have been prevented if we (the USA) respected Minsk and sovereign democracies, instead of helping neo nazi azovs execute a violent coup by massacring civilians in Maidan Square.
Interesting video as always! Bonus points for the palpable hatred when merely mentioning the IMF and the "Yugoslavia failed because muh different cultures, because muh nationality, Serbs, Bosnians and Croatians just cannot co-exist yadda yadda yadda" eye-roll inducing bullshit. Also - Otpisani. Damn, I loved watching it as a kid. Excellent choice of music.
the bitterness in the delivery of "some other dingy, nationalist shit" was amazing. I felt my own hatred of nationalism being sparked up so quickly. You have a talent for delivering speeches, man, you should get into politics.
As a centricst, would love to hear your coverage of the crimes done by communists and why, in your opinion, communist or even socialist ideology never came to fruition
That's sadly true. I know serbisn actors who were born in kosovo and lived in kosovo how kosovo Albanians were treated like shit and were even scared to go outside. Even now Albanians in presevo get Systematcly discriminated by the government and people. So sad. Well kosovo serbs... Live normally. I think??? Expect North kosovo serbs who think that they are suporier but anyway.
@@Critical_Hit The only real point of NATO is to stop Russian imperialism. I usually assume anti-NATO leftists to be bad faith tankies. They often say that NATO shouldn't have expanded, and if it didn't, then the baltic states would be just as vulnerable as Ukraine right now.
Your take on the Ukrainian russian conflict seems to short. Marching into another country is a different thing than having your soldiers only in your own territory. Secound you didnt say anything about the history of imperialism in Russias history and how it is connected to todays events. It is really blind to give the West the fault for this conflict.
Capitalist imperial forces did to Yugoslavia what capitalist imperial forces did and are doing to socialist Latin America. Im just waiting for you to go one step further and realize everyone was fed their own version of the story so comparing ustaše to četnici makes no logical sense.
Capitalist forces had no role in the break up of Yugoslavia. It was all local, organic, home grown ethno nationalism. To deny that fact is to both, deny agency to the perpetrators and to knowingly/unknowingly use their propaganda. The idea that the West is at fault is the idea by the Serbian leadership, and it was openly admited. Vuk Drašković, the biggest opponent of Milošević, agreed wtih Milošević and all the crimes, except that Drašković had the vision to look for NATO support before acting on the crimes.
@@yugotek I havent and didnt even mean to deny any crimes done from either side. My point is that the whole destabilization was a capitalist imperialist project. From start to finish it was being guided to the slaughterhouse. We can see it being done across the world. It would be naive to think it was any different on the balkans.
@@bismuth7730 and that's the propaganda. Yugoslavia was not destabilized from the outside. Nationalist ideas and beliefs never left the country, even the top of the Yugoslav leadership. Ranković was removed from power because Greater Serbia chauvinism. Already in the 60's you had officials being jailed for nationalist speech and Đilas writing letters to Tito warning of the comming problems. The biggest disfunction of Tito's Yugoslavia was the question of nationality, which was essentially left to the republics. There was no official Yugoslavs. Even worse, Yugoslavia had official peoples - Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, etc., and narodnosti which were minorities. These are the lines were the country later cracked. Yugoslavia was never a secular citizens republic, it functioned like that because if Tito. The moment he died, the glowes were off.
@@yugotek role of the "internacional community" was to support dezintegracion of YU with full force, advising independence for the republics, fast recognizing it (on the lines of the alliances from ww2), telling one nation who constituted large minoritys in the other republics that they don't have any right for their independence, and at the same time (or shortly after) giving full support (with bombs and rockets) for independence of different nacional minority in their own country...... Sooo yeah, they played a (big) roll, which doesn't help the case or diminish responsibility of domestic morons..... And it was a big difference between milosevic and draskovic, first did support people on the national line in other republics, but always trying to keep a facade that Serbia was not at war, which lead to forming para-military structures, and harder to control (which again lead to more war-crimes)..... And draskovic was for Republic of Serbia declaration of war to protect their nationals in other republics, with military of the republic of Serbia officially involved.... And I would really like to see how that would turn out, (like in the video game, and if turns out worse just restart) because every republics got in power nationalistic option during the '90, only Serbia got some weird national-communist, whose results were pretty disastrous for all involved ...
@@yugotek It's like you didn't watch the video at all. Ethnonationalism existed in Yugoslavia from the very beginning, yet it only veered its ugly head once the west destabilised the economy. It's entirely capitalism's fault and to deny it is to be a naïve liberal
You can tell just how almost miraculous the unification of people was that happened Yugoslavia because even an old history teacher of mine with a rather liberal-catholic views approved that Tito was the best that could have happened in such turbulent region. Sometimes it's hard for people to publicly judge governments of the past on what they have actually done rather than find similarities in ideologies to governments that have only preached those values.
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There aren't any autogenerated captions on this video. How can I help you get some real captions?
Star Trek is actually problematic 😝 very simplistic view of everything and totally America centric.
Sorry, commrade lefty, but i have to put some criticism here. First, It was not decommunization, but end of a totalitarian regime. Second, communists were the first turning in to nazis. Local communsts were the first starting hate speech. Third, the main reason Yugoslavija fell apart was Milosevic and Serbian idea of Great Serbia. And finnaly, secession of Slovenija was never nacionalistic project, we just don't want to live in a country where military can arrest civilians and people don't have freedom of speech.
Big brain Yugopnik delivers another banger 😫🤌
Takes one to know one, sexy
Get a room...
my dude put on the bedroom music and everything
I couldn't imagine being so salty over the success of others that you'd support a system that led to the deaths of tens of millions mostly due to starvation and purges.
@BiodiversityFanatic Seiously! Wtf is this sophisticated sychofancy? xD
The hatred in Yugopniks voice when describing the IMF practically dripped off of my TV screen
lmao i saw a sticker the other day on a traffic light that had the picture of Greta Thunberg beside the IMF logo
i am not enjoying this timeline
@@transsexual_computer_faery the kids are in danger
@@Jane-oz7pp what do you mean?
Literally all of our reactions every time the words "IMF" are seen or are spoken, haha
@@Jane-oz7pp Could you please elaborate?
"There is no capitalism without war, there is no peace without internationalism" well said 👏
Explain the Sino-Vietnamese War or the ZANU-ZAPU conflict then?
sadly there was never "communism" without genocide and dictatorship
Naive
@@theshakhrayist7649 nobody is saying that there is no war without capitalism.
@@kwarra-an And yet
The whole eastern Europe has become very racist after their decommunization. Also here in Finland the weakening of social democracy and the left losing it's marxism and becoming radlib, both caused by the decommunization of the eastern bloc countries have made ethnonationalism quite popular
It scares me how Sweden is dropping the folkhemmet idea by privatizing essential societal functions.
I welcome you to move to Russia as soon as possible if you don't want to live in 'nazi Finland' or whatever you delusions are.
You sure about that? In fact, our most ethnonationalist governments were the ones during the communist era (Gomułka in Poland, Ceausescu in Romania etc.)
@@user-sm5sj6mg2t well, its got so fucked in Romania after decommunization that people unironically feel nostaglic for Ceausescu.
I meant more the political ideas that have gained popularity among people after decommunization rather than what the policies of the states are.
That was very good. I particularly like your final point about learning from past socialist experiments; I find that too often discussion of socialism becomes a straight question of yay or nay with little attention actually paid to the more granular issues of how different socialist societies functioned, and what we can learn from them for the future.
Because socialism definitely does work, anyone not blinded by the TINA doctrine knows this as an objective fact. For the Soviet Union to've turned from a backwards feudal agrarian economy to an early space age power in under 50 years?! We know it works, faults notwithstanding. Marxism-Leninism and associated philosphies and systems simply need tweaking, but we're going to have to be on guard against the usual neoliberal and other capitalist suspects and pro-capitalist sympathisers.
We can learn for example that in most cases they didn't just collapse because they were weak, but rather were sabotaged by an outside capitalist force
It’s funny because the post Soviet hangover seems to be infinite if you follow the western narrative
It always is, isn t it?
i now recall a neo-liberal bussiness type influencer from Romania impotently cry to kyosaki that "romanians are still in transition from communism" my brothers in Cristos, you made the last 30 years of mâncătorie and instabilitate
edit: opa moment reading the repetition, utterly embarrassed, corrected myself
@@andreimoga7813 When people talk about the failure of Socialism I have to remind them that the USSR in 30 years turned feudal agrarian nations into industrial powerhouses that fully housed and educated their populations despite world wars, famines and other tragedies whereas in the past 30 years capitalism has hardly done anything for Eastern Europe and most Soviet Bloc nations today are worse off than they were 30 years ago. Where's the capitalist miracle that was promised?
Everything the conservatives hate is communism to them lgbtq+, minorities, jews, socialists, anybody left is all communism to the right wing.
@@andreimoga7813 You can still hear that today in Chile, they really act like npcs everywhere.
The accounts that I have read have indicated that the IMF played a big part in the destruction of socialism in Romania as well.
Poland - 1956 (Collectivization of Agriculture is stopped), 1970 (Gierek comes to power and gets a bunch of IMF and Western loans, because of the detente conditions), 1978 (John Paul II becomes pope and chuds go apeshit), 1980 (Food prices are raised, leading to big strikes by the syndicalist Solidarnośc.), 1981 (Solidarnośc gets a new leadership, redirecting the union towards liberalism and pro-Catholicism. The instability and lingering issues like corruption as well as the focus on exports to pay off the west or lack of imports due to western economic pressure lead to rationing), 1989 (government falls), 1990 (Balcerowicz reforms - market economy)
my frate, they destroyed Romania in our time as well. may boc get ciuperca piciorului and râie for all that he's done to us
i did not get a primary trustworthy source for this, but apparently ceausescu was trying to set up an international monetary organization counter to the imf. i think you'd be interested, maybe you'll look it up
Romania making itself getting rid of the IMF debt is literally why socialism came down.
Funny enough, here in Serbia some historians are advocating the decommunization, although the communist ideology officially no longer exists. BTW, great video, druže!
I am a Duginist.
@@Wackaz right wing nationalist ?
Right wingers are crazy ,
Here on the other side of the adriatic , in italy : right wing politicians claim that the unions are ruling italy , while workers are loosing rights constantly ,
Also one of my classmate claimed that the "biennio rosso" two years 120 years ago in wich class conflict came to ahead , justified : 20 years of fascism , the christian democratics ruling italy from the end of WW2 all the way to '92 ,
And an shitty neoliberal entrepenuer who we know has been in massonic lodges and was in governament for 20 years ,
Apparently we are 6000 times more efficient than them apparently ,
That is also because you need to teach fascism , while inquisitive pepoles will start seeing trough stuff ,
You need to teach them to be mad at the poor and at the immigrants ,
While you don't teach that their boss could neg them less and pay them more , to the logical extent that well the boss ends up not being there in the end
@@Wackaz Gulag fuel?
@@Wackaz you are cringe
10:35 The initials of the USA being SAD in Serbian made me laugh
Oh I def took a pic
I grew up in China in the 70s and 80s, Yugoslavia was so cool. I watched tons of anti-nazi war movies over and over again. There were even Yugoslavia produced movies of the American Westerns, and "Onkel Toms Hütte" jointly produced in Yugoslavia.
And then the serbs of Yugoslavia tried the nazi stuff themselves just years later...
@@A-A_P well not realy anti communisam and well many serbs working with fascist was never realy a huge suprise. And how serbs talk shit about Albanians and Muslims in general. Etc even during Yugoslavia. And I'm a serb.
hello yugopnik I’d like to see that I appreciate your work and love your videos in general!
Oh hell yeah new yugopnik video time to disable adblock
Funny that U.S.A is translated as SAD
lel I saw that too
Sjedinjene Americke Države, or SAD for short, which means Now in Serbo-croatian
Shtty American "Democracy"
only reason i came to the comments because i had nothing to say while i processed the rest of the video. the balkan wars were "happening" and then "hushy shush" during the time i would have learned about them in school.
It caught my attention that footage you used that quoted that "yugoslavia had the longest hyperinflation crisis in the world (24 months". It is weird that events become the "world's most" if it fits the narrative. Suddently, we can forget south america inflation crisis during the 70's - 90's, weimar republic hyperinflation and the list goes on. Just like Ukraine became "the first war in europe since / The most bombs dropped in Europe since WW2" (conventily forgetting about NATO intervention in the Balkans during the 90's).
History is rewritten at a whim, if the dominant classes need it, not to mention the redefining of geography to fit regions into continents according to interest.
South American here. I'd love to see them comparing actual numbers-some countries had as much as 3000% inflation. I'm not joking. Three. Thousand. Percent. Inflation.
I think there is a clear difference between a war and an intervention of any sort. The yugoslav war was still a war, just not mainly this part. And the amount of bombs was still perhaps smaller. This confict has not been forgotten. As the west helped the ones being attacked unjustly back then, they are doing it now in Ukraine.
What are you even talking about?
I love that almost every Yugopnik vid ends with a semi motivational speech, a rallying call for us all to follow.
Russian here. Sadly, I'm signing under every word. Overall, it's like Yugoslavia was used as a test lab to apply the same on ex-USSR later.
Old British strategy: divide and conquer.
That which you cannot rule directly, appoint local leaders who are allied to you.
"The sooner we will stop dying for colourful cloth and nationalist songs!" bruh. How do you take such a simple statement and give it so much punch? Amazing. Just fuckin amazing.
"There is no peace without internationalism." Excellent point.
No better imperialism with internationalism either
WW1 was caused by internationalism. By a twisted web of international treaties. All it took was one little nation going to war to embroil most of Europe in a hellish conflict. Isolationism is what prevents war. Once you start getting involved with the politics of another nation, you're playing a high stakes game. And the more players, the greater the potential blood bath.
Liberals, also the enemies of the left: "I agree with you 100% and won't mix and confuse our goals in anyway"
While I applaud your astute historical analysis on the dissolution of Yugoslavia, I think it’s a grave fallacy of false equivalence to assert that simply because Ukraine was also formerly part of the socialist world, its fight against Russian imperialism is equal to that of the Balkanization of Yugoslavia. It is certainly not bullshit to say Ukraine is a sovereign nation fighting to protect its independence and self determination from being taken by a man who wishes to revive the borders of the Russian empire. While I’m not necessarily saying this was a statement coming from bad faith, I think it’s worth noting that imperialism isn’t only bad when the west does it and the left seems to completely ignore this and assume that just because Russia and the U.S. aren’t on friendly terms then it must mean that every violation of international law Russia commits must be some act of self defense against “western aggression”. It’s a blatant sign that dissemination of Kremlin disinformation is successful among both the far right and far left. Not trying to be a dick, I’ve been a fan for a long time but I felt the need to state my case here
Agreed. The left should criticize all imperialism, not just the American one.
Thank you for writing what I've been wanting to say. This " US only bad mentality" found on many socialist channels have been pushing me away from socialism. US is bad, but so is Russia and China. So is Europe as a whole. Some countries practice hard imperialism (war, destabilisation measures) and others soft imperialism (economic exploitation) or a mix of both. This is something we need to realise and end, not for one country, but for all countries. For the records, I'm a Finn.
You don't have to assume that "it must be" a reply to western aggression, when you learn what were the peace conditions after WW2, when Ukraine was established as an independent country. These conditions have been clearly violated by the US for 8 years or so. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@katarzynaborkowska6211 fucking how? Russia annaxed Ukraine's territory 8 years ago and started a war. What does US have to do with this?
@@artyom-ovsepyan In 2014 the USA funded and backed a neo-nazi coup in Maidan, toppling the democratically elected government and installing a puppet regime. Since then we've funneled and washed billions of dollars through the country, exacerbating an already serious corruption problem and helping the neo nazi azovs to be formally integrated into the Ukrainian military.
Crimea voted to rejoin Russian in 2014 because the USA wiped out their government. People in Donbas have every right to life, liberty, and their native language.
I see that Westerners are pulling the "Capitalism favors the successful", and "Capitalism breeds innovation and better living standard" premises while ignoring the fact that Capitalism has utterly and categorically failed in Eastern and Southeastern Europe, in particular, in former Yugoslavia. Socialist Yugoslavia, during her worst year in 1991, was the world's 24th economy with a debt comprising more or less 15% of its GDP, a developed, globally competing economy satisfying the needs of the majority of the Third World and the EEC at the same time: "Mutual interactions between the two sides intensified in the late 1980s and early 1990s but all progress was cut off as of 25 November 1991 due to the wars in Slovenia and Croatia. Prior to the cut-off, Yugoslavia was the EEC's second largest trade partner in the Mediterranean area, just after Algeria, with 90% of industrial imports from Yugoslavia to the EEC not subject to any duty.[2]". Not to mention that Yugoslavia was a domineering force in sports, culture, digital electronic computing, and robotics in its socialist form, and wielded global influence during the Cold War as a result of its Non-Aligned Movement and thus also had the majority vote in the UN, whereas today, it's capitalist successor states are the very opposite and are being destroyed by Western-propped neo-colonization, corruption, stagnation, destabilization, and subversion, and are, at best, vassal-states of Germany and the USA whose intelligence services operate with impunity in the territories of SE Europe. In summary, capitalism in former Yugoslavia did not favor the successful and it did not breed success, it did not and doesn't breed innovation and better living standards, it does the opposite - it is the preeminent reason why Yugoslavia's successor states did not retain their forefather's status of "developed economy", or better yet, it's status as a sovereign, global-competing state, and were reduced to the status of "developing economies" that are worse off than some war-torn, African states, and with staggeringly failing living standards and plummeting birth rates.
The Capitalist West doesn't even breed success in its native, Western environments when its mere survival is tied to draining Eastern and Southeastern Europe, and the Third World of its workers and top education brass, and it doesn't even breed innovation when all of its technology is being manufactured in Taiwan and China, and better living standards are a straight-out lie and are reserved solely for the wealthy elites. Capitalism doesn't even breed competition because the West had demonstrated, time and time again, that it does not tolerate competition, but actively destroys it, like in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and the attempt was made in Russia, but that has failed miserably, and we're all witness to that. If there is competition, the West will, in time, lose, there's a reason why the only solid guarantee of the American dollar, and with it, Western/Capitalist hegemony is the preeminent military power of the USA. Considering the current global geopolitical and economic situation, they're losing both the military might and the USA dollar-defined hegemony.
Extremely well written!
comrade Yugopnik doesn’t miss 🙏🙏🙏 every video is better than the last
This is not just about communism.Constantly blaming the "dark past" for failures of the present system eventually lead the people into an iconoclast fury against societal aspects associated with those dark past.
In China those remnants are the manchus,in Former Yugoslavia those remnants are neighbouring ethnic groups and socialism,in decolonized countries western style education,and in South Asia religious minorities
Not a communist or class thing at all
It is worth noting that the supposed bankruptcy of countries like Yugoslavia or the GDR was mostly used as an excuse by the west to put economic pressure on the eastern countries, as well as for local allies of liberalism to force through reforms. The external debt to gdp ratio of these two countries at its peak (respectively 20% in 1990 for the GDR and 32% in 1982 for Yugoslavia) were not only ridiculously low for modern standards but also lower than their contemporary western counterparts' (even the FRG!).
As far as I'm aware the only AES country of that era to have a debt crisis was Hungary, and even that was only at levels of Italy. The justification the lib economists say is "the country became unable to service their debts through exports", giving no proof.
But alas, Perestroika, the "Let's leave the economy into the hands of the factory managers/totally not the new wannabe bourgeois" has destroyed supply of goods by making profitability the driving principle of the economy and defanging GOSPLAN, which collapsed stability in the Eastern Bloc. This made the libs sense Blood and supported nationalists and local libs to the fullest, so the governments feel one by one. Where it didn't succeed (Bulgaria, where the gorbachevite, but still, Communists won the 1990 elections) the opposition's labor agitation (strikes etc.) plus the collapse of the COMECON made it very difficult for socialism to survive.
I don't think the GDR gets the credit it deserves for their economic performance. It managed to grow at 4,5% during 40 years, even paying huge reparations to the soviets.
Also worth taking a look at is Bulgaria, which was much poorer before socialism and managed to be the country in the Eastern Bloc where 40% of electronics were produced, and the third producer at world scale. I think their economic grow on average was like 6%, it was massive.
Weird how not resistant authoritarian socialism is when it can get dissolved that easily :) perestroika and all those reforms came as a reaction to the failure of the Planned economy bruv.
@@XHitsugaX Nice smug condescension lib :) Weird how each successive market reform, giving less power to the state and more to the factory managers, actually worsened the situation and created stagnation, like the Kosygin reforms. Then weird how the introduction of a full market system made living standards and the economy collapse and plunged millions of people into poverty and made millions more emigrate to do shitty jobs in the west. :)
As for the stability element, nice world we have outside today, no? Inflation, shortages, millions dying due to preventable disease, fascism rising and becoming mainstream in much of the world and of course total interdependence on imports from all corners of the world biting back in the ass, hard. Sure love being at the mercy of the company owners :)
@@gosplan1460 I do not disagree. Im not a fan of privatization. But the copium of leftists why the poor Sowiet Union and "Socialism" failed due to reforms is so anoying. The reforms came because the economy was struggling.
Lib? I grew up in the SU. Not only was the dissolution of it one of the greatest aspects of enriching Cultural and linguistical diversity by removing Russian influence from Poland, Hungary, Kazakhstan and the baltics. Now Russians need to learn respective languages and the cultures recover from the ethnic cleansing and culutural genocide enacted by the Russians.
I'm a descendant of Russian settlers in a country thats not native to Russians. I know the history of it all too well.
@@XHitsugaX Oh, the USSR had problems definitely. The dependence on oil exports starting from the 1970s, the increased difficulty in imports due to low reserves of western currency (while western countries could buy Soviet Bloc products, and at very cheap prices - classic imperialism), difficulties at logistics and corruption in production (reporting higher outputs than actual for example. Also leading to poor workplace discipline over the years as the workers felt like the party boss was getting privileges they weren't for example) were among the big ones.
To deny that would be unmaterialist (materialism = actual state of affairs and what steps to take to improve it. The opposite is idealism = "this is how it should be, regardless of whether it's possible") and materialism is a central aspect of Marxism after all.
Even the above problems weren't unfixable or for the most part inherent to the attempted models of Socialist economies and contrary to popular belief, Socialist countries require lots of popular input into building socialism and do the whole "Let's strive to abolish class society" thing. The Soviet Union (notably dissolved by its elites against popular will in 1991) and their allies either failed or were dragged down by their allies' failures, but other models (Cuba for example) survived and much like the liberals learned from the failures of the French revolution, we know now what went wrong last time and what we have to make the socialism of the future better.
4:02 I met a dude once whose parents or grandparents had moved to Australia over the fall out over Serbia. He was Croat, and probably the single most racist person I've ever met, which hardly surprises me after hearing that lol
And by that You assume all croats are racist or what?
Yea also lots of racism tothewhole southhere in Slovenia
It’s not uncommon in Australian football matches with Croatian immigrant teams for the Nazi salute to be used by Croatian fans as well as having a portrait of Ante Pavelić in their club houses. Idiots.
Remember everyone: Getting an A from your reactionary history teacher in high school doesn't mean you actually know anything about the world and no war but class war!
history teachers are either
vanilla status-quo-praising liberals
or
varyingly right-oriented and nationalistic individuals
i have yet to meet one who is different
"Um, 'No war but class war' is ackutshchully an outdated, infantile, unpragpatic ultra slogan, we need to pick a side in this interimperialist conflict because *instert wall of text here*, and if you disagree you're hecking raycist and probably orientalist as well. Anyway, remember to go out and voot for [neolib/rightoid nationalist party] in the next election."
So what war is Russia leading in Ukraine? Is it working class Russia leading war vs Capitalist USA or is it Russian imperialism working on trying to destroy their neighbour under the guise of Russian empire dreaming about the 19th century.
Some wars are just that: ethnonationalist imperialist that want to control and own other countries under the leadership of the big "brother"
I dont give a fuck about the US military industrial complex getting richer by supplying Ukraine if it means Russia doesnt get their ultranationalist pipedream
@@wysanniksikondominium584 "Vote blue no matter who"
@@wysanniksikondominium584 “this is the most important election in our lifetime, stop messing it up with this revolution bullshit”
Спасибо за ваш труд, товарищ. Сегодня в СНГ повсеместно происходит декоммунизация. Люди утопают в шовинизме. Но надежда на покидает нас. Мира вам!
Весь мир нацисты - кроме роззиян
Единственная страна СНГ, в которой я тонула в шовинизме - Россия
>Единственная страна СНГ, в которой я тонула в шовинизме - Россия
>Проявляет шовинизм.
>Роззиян
>подразумевает, что не является нацистом.
Сука, вы реально настолько глупые?
@@EvilKGB где я проявляла шовинизм? Шовинизм, это когда нормально писать, что квартиры сдаются только славянам, и не нести за это никакого наказания, потому что это норм и силовым структурам, и административным.. Это структуральный шовинизм. Не пускать домой всем соседским составом, вешать камеры перед твоей дверью, все только потому, что у тебя небелое лицо. Это когда никого не смущает пресловутое мороженное "обамка", потому что ачетакова.
Много я где была, знаю что такое расизм, но в такой степени, чтобы каждый день докапывался любой, кто захочет - это только у вас. И вы еще считаете норм лезть поучать кого то, что такое шовинизм, когда сами по уши в этом говне на системном уровне?
@@EvilKGB йеп. Коли хтось кличе себе ВЕЛИКОросами, стверджує, що чийсь етнос та національність "вигадані", після чого веде проти цього етносу загарбницьку війну, це словникова інтерпретація слова "шовінізм".
Українці не хочуть захоплювати Ростов, бомбити Москву, чи переписувати російські підручники історії.
Ми лише хочемо, щоб ви від нас від'єбалися та дали спокійно жити у власній країні.
on the one hand, i fear for when i will have to face first-hand my home country's collapse, since i neither afford nor want to take refuge in some "safe" imperial core country
on the other hand, if i survive the coming hunger and possible bloodshed, i want to see what is born of it. i'd want us to make a humane system out of the ashes, and i'd like to live to see it
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When people talk about the failure of Socialism I have to remind them that the USSR in 30 years turned feudal agrarian nations into industrial powerhouses that fully housed and educated their populations despite world wars, famines and other tragedies whereas in the past 30 years capitalism has hardly done anything for Eastern Europe and most Soviet Bloc nations today are worse off than they were 30 years ago. Where's the capitalist miracle that was promised?
It wasn’t the state, it was the millions of soviet people who built a new world
@@JoseRodriguez-pn8yj Exactly, and the Union was the body that those millions built through their determination and struggle
"Even if the Soviet Union, as a result of internal difficulties, external blows and the mistakes of leadership, were to collapse - which we firmly hope will not happen - there would remain an earnest of the future this indestructible fact, that thanks solely to a proletarian revolution, a backwards country has achieved in less than ten years successes unexampled in history."
-Leon Trotsky, 'Revolution Betrayed'.
This guy was a true prophet.
What's built in a day, can be torn down in less. Build your house on the foundations of a constitutional Republic, where individual states are equally represented, and your house will last forever. Build your house on a foundation of violent authoritarianism, where satellite states are ruled with little to no meaningful representation, and your house will crumble before it's truly been built. Soviet communism is merely a slavic rebrand of slavery. And that's the harsh truth.
I'm sorry but how is this rhetoric any different from the colonial style "let's civilise these people" exploitative mission?
I don't know how to put it into words - is it your thick Slav accent or the fact I'm a Slav too but you've easily become my favourite commentator on the left. Gags, facts, aesthetics - keep it up, Югопник!
Comrade you're knocking it outta the park with content. Loving your stuff. (Podcast is brilliant also)
Book recommendation: Sarajevo Under Siege by Ivana Macek. An anthropologist who researched nationalism in Sarajevo in the 90s. She shows how nationalistic sentiments was a product of Yugoslavia splitting up and the subsequent war, rather than nationalism being its cause as conventional narratives like to describe it. Of course there is more to that process than the war itself but the book really illuminates the social dynamics of this intense situation.
Sounds very interesting, thanks for the recommendation
i swear to fucking god ive been manifesting a video about this for literal fucking months and now ive finally gotten it and its fucking great, literally got chills at the end, good job and thank you
slava jugoslaviji
You into Neville Goddard?
I'm glad you made this. I've been really worried about how the war over there is affecting you.
I am not sure where Yugo lives, but if you mean for ex-Yugoslavian countries - all we feel is propaganda from all sides and the fear it's packaged in.
Though it does put a wedge between people, as lots of people I know and love are in the "USA = bad" camp and I am in " Imperialism = bad" and can't stand the "war was inevitable and USA made it inevitable" talking points.
Nobody here wants the war, but people do give excuses to that egomaniacal spy sending young men to their death.
Thank you, my based Yugoslav brother. Here from former RSFSR. Shit hitting the fan like everyday in media-sphere, especially here in Russia (with fucking blender of opinions and propoganda, state or not) and you videos and channel like a breath of fresh air. Peace to you!
Is the Russian communist party controlled opposition? They sound like it
@@JoseRodriguez-pn8yj yes, they are. KPRF, the main sucsessor of KPSS, is 100% controlled by the government.
@@madmax3744 Bruh, that sucks
@@JoseRodriguez-pn8yj yeah. Our "communist party" no other than a bunch of post-world-war2 kids, which uses mix of soft near-communist rhetoric and soviet nostalgia to gain stable vote from pensioners and idealistic civilians, so they can continue to get money from government and divert people's anger from ruling class. Every big state-connected party, like right-wing LDPR - Liberal-Democratic Party of Russia, moderate soc-dem "Справедливая Россия" (means "Fair Russia") and other smaller spoiler-parties do the same with their own stratum of population.
But on the other side we have galaxy of radical liberal organisations, 99% of which are sponsored by western governments or "human rights organisations", trying to destroy ruling party and install new, "correct" government (which truly means they replace one oligarchs with another). Here's we have Navalny and his "Фонд борьбы с коррупцией" (Anti-Corruption Foundation), Radio Freedom, TV Channel "Дождь" (means Rain) and a lot of other smaller organisations and persons
And at last, we have handful of small groups and independent media, which is too small to have big audience and regularly terrorised by government, with variety of political visions (from fundamentalist orthodox to trotskyiest to ancap to ancom).
Russian politics is like a wild west or post-apocalyptic wasteland, and this shit piss me and a lot of political-involved people.
Hello from former UkrSSR!
Another banger and a wonderful insight into what led to the decline of socialist countries. Although, I must admit a bit depressing, too, as every time the story of the collapse of Yugoslavia is brought upon. May peace and internationalism prevail!
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Yugopnik's closing remarks are always so strong and well delivered.
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Good faith question: what other choice do Ukranians have right now? I completely get it, no war but class war, however given that class war doesn't seem to happen very soon, should Ukranians yield to Russia just so the war can end? Like I see this argument a lot, but I don't see the pragmatic use of it. A lot of Ukranian leftists and even anarchists are fighting right now for Ukraine, because getting annexed into a 2nd Russian Empire would be worse. Like I guess the could do a revolution in Kyiv, but how would that convince the Russian army to stop shelling? How will revoluiton come to Russia? Or anywhere else for that matter? If it's not world revolution, it's basically fucked anyway, because on the long run, capitalists always win the war of economy.
I'm not sure that that was what he was arguing - I don't think he was saying anything about what they should do now (obviously this is an aggressive war, poor folk), but rather he was furious and mourning the general nationalist, ideological and economic foolishness that even let this war happen in the first place.
@@ionastewart8814 The foolishness of preferring liberal democracy over authoritarian kleptocracy?
@@tmgn7588 Have you ever had a single original, nuanced, or informed thought in your entire life?
@Porky Which one?
I don't know how it would be worst to be honest.
As a Chinese person, I would love to get your perspective on the system of socialism China has. Recently, a lot of Chinese industrialists have been pushing neo liberalism economics, all have either been silenced or shut down. As someone who was brought up in the west, I see this as oppressive, but I don’t see how else a country can maintain control over capital, and prevent capitalist from taking control over the state
I heard from someone on YT that the Tianmen square protest was a opposite of what the West portrayed. The people didn't protest against communist policy but they protested against the privatisation after Mao death, making thousands of workers lost their jobs. If that's true, it would be one the biggest lie the West had perpetrated.
There's no socialism in china
China isn't socialist anymore since the economic reforms with the fall of the Soviet union but state capitalist and authoritarian. Not long ago a chinese representative praised the importance of the private sector taking up circa half of it's economy
@@corpo9310 supressing workers through the state is inherently antisocialist, laws like you can only have one kid is antisocialist, how the chinese goverments have treated people not living in the core of the empire have been extremely repressive, a system where you dont vote for the leader but vote for leaders who pick a leader is inherently antisocialist, due to the class divide it creates. theres so much of this, china was never socialist
@@corpo9310
China has "socialism with Chinese characteristics". Edgy socialists like to use China as a functioning example of "socialism" whenever it benefits them but then claim that "China is not socialist at all" when praising China doesn't benefit their views
so excited to watch this tomorrow! just wanted to comment and say I love your channel
Decommunization is the best thing happened to us. Finally we can have iPhones, which cost 3 month pays. And half of our population lives in Diaspora.
Hiw is that a bad thing?
The issue is not the Iphone or technology considering such a technology took decades to get in Socialist countries. My granddad waited for 10 years to get his first car and he was a chief agronom of a Sovhoz and fruits and oranges and coffee you only got under the counter. The issue of Apple is that apple defacto is more powerful than the state without the accountability state officials have. They dont have to abide by the rules even states have to.
@@XHitsugaX FYI, rich boy: Oranges were also a luxury for most people in North America post-WWII. My mom used to get them in her Christmas stocking as a kid in 1960s Canada. There were of course always plenty of lovely oranges at Steinberg's, but capitalism demands more than just efficient distribution of food, doesn't it? As with our purported "freedom of speech", which always seems to bump into the ability to make a living for working people, thus making it more akin to the right to remain silent...
@@XHitsugaX P.S. The mobile phone was invented in the SU in 1956.
@@fun_ghoul and the computer by a German during Nazi times whats your point? The issue is not the invention its the public availability and its undeniable that Sowiet union had a lack of technology and convenience for people. My whole family lived there for generations. And both my grandma and grandpa said compared what they have now in Germany to what they had in the SU they were dirt poor. And my granddad was a high ranking agronom and party member. They dont want ever to live back there where stores were empty and all good stuff you only could get under the counter.
Everything you make is just perfect, благодарю вас, моя товарищ
On this situation, yours is a take I have been waiting to hear*.
To hear, comrade
"The quicker we'll stop dying for colorful cloth! and national songs!" - Yeah, dude. The very thought that would keep me awake at 3 AM.
And now I'm a subscriber! 👉 ~
I fear the new generations they always stand for decommunization for some reason but they dont even know what they are talking about it is frightening. Great video druže.
"...or some other dingy, nationalist shit..." is now my favorite line. Thank you.
Okay, but why then we didn’t see civil war in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Czech republic, despite the fact that these countries were in the forefront of decommunisation, Poland even did ban communist party entirely. But we had national based civil war in, for example, Russia, which was and still is holding for the Soviet legacy?
Poland is a far-right country, banning abortions, and fighting against women's rights, LGBT, and migrants. Alongside Hungary, they are a fortress of white supremacy and ultranationalism in Europe. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia are too small to have any relevancy, yet they have continuously passed laws discriminating against ethnic minorities, their industries are largely in crisis and lots of young people emigrate West in a search of a better life. Furthermore, none of these countries are internationalist, so there's no ethnocentric ground to break them up further. They all have rising militaristic and anti-Russian sentiments. Poland would be eager to occupy parts of Belarus and Ukraine if they had an opportunity to do so. Other factors are related to those countries being allowed into the EU and Nato and heavy monetary support from the imperial core. I don't know anything about the Czech Republic, but I think the point is fairly clear.
some other conflicts in more major post-communist countries include Armenia and Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Russia and Georgia and Chechnya and Ukraine, all of which should not have been.
The nations you mentioned were FORCED to be communist. Nothing can be forced, otherwise it will be counterproductive. In the other former communist nations, there are some factions of the former communist parties are still governing the country in the modern era.
@@mishalevin1146 And they wouldn't have been if it wasn't for USSR, and specifically Stalin
1. How, who and what for would Poland fight for, for instance, when:
1.1. Poland is a homogeneous country with borders which were agreed upon after the WWII;
1.2. The only potential big territorial dispute that might have happened between Poland and someone else is over "Kresy Wschodnie" with Ukraine. Why would Poland fight over some land in western Ukraine, when Ukraine is willingly becoming a junior economic partner/vassal of Poland? Especially now? The thing that Russia failed to do with Ukraine but failed, hence the war was seen by Kremlin as "necessary"? Do you even Sun Tzu, my guy?
2. How did Russia hold to its Soviet legacy during fucking Yeltsin's times, my dude? Even now I would say the only Soviet symbols Putin is trying to use - not hold to - are all of "muh big Empire" vibe, not of "socialism is good". Hence Putin sometimes praises Stalin (though he praises even fucking Yeltsin more often than Stalin. And I don't even mention all the times when he praised Alexander III), but he has never praised Lenin. In fact he outright condemns Lenin for everything.
This is very good video, I've been looking for a while for a leftist perspective on the history of Yugoslavia, because all I knew was probably western propaganda so thank you very much for educating us.
*probably
Good job as always. Weight of Chains goes a little bit more in depth into the forced dismantling of the Yugoslav state and the subsequent descent into chaos if people haven’t seen that.
That series is a bit all over the place, but the main premise still seems to come from the right place.
I've seen all three.
I big big grateful hug for you for the work you do Yugopnik, greetings from Mexico!
I love this. My great grand father was a Croatian immigrant. I don't know much about that side of the family, so this video brought me a little closer to them, especially as someone advocating Socialism. Good video, man!
On one hand, this is a spectacular video that made its painful point very well. On the other hand, I have now been convinced of my theory that fascism is Europe's future. To say my day is ruined is an understatement.
Do you know, what fascism is excactly? And where do you see it? In Russia? Hell yes, but they have been like that for centuries! Anything not communist or socialist is far from fascism, a very specific ideology actually!
@@A-A_P Yes I am entirely aware of what fascism is. In Russia? Yes! In Europe? Yes! After all, it is a very specific ideology actually! I am accusing them of having and embracing a very specific ideology! And as far as I am concerned, this comment I left *a year ago* has only been vindicated by the past several months!
And no, Russia, whatever it is now, has not been fascist "for centuries" because it is a very specific ideology actually which has not existed for centuries. Russia bad! Western powers also bad! I think all human life has value! All their victims matter, actually!
Tell that to my relatives who spent years as political prisoners under the Yugoslav government for daring to suggest that the existing political and economic system was imperfect!
Perhaps Indonesia could be argued as the most successful decommunization effort currently. 32 years of US backed neo-liberal dictatorship has more or less erases the 1965 communist purge from the public consciousness, with the common perception of communism being an evil, bloodthirsty, godless ideology. The youngsters barely knew about the massacre that happened after the coup, the millions that were killed and disappeared for being suspected leftist, and the generational trauma that still persists to this day.
Indonesia today is also perhaps a perfect example of what the western world wants a third world to be, a country ruled by a small circle of oligarchs that were more than happy to sell and exploit whatever resources it had both human and natural, a country without any real and meaningful labor or leftist movement.
After the fall of the dictatorship, without any real forms of class analysis and labor solidarity, far-right organizations like islamists groups were able to grew more and more popular, along with the rise of islamic conservatism in general. Along with the downfall with Suharto's dictatorship, ethnic tensions also flare up in many regions, with many ethnic minorities (especially chinese-indonesian) becoming the main target of anger such as during the 1998 mass riot.
And yes, without any strong labor movement in the country today, the ultra conservative often presents itself as the opposition to the status quo, pushing the country further to the right, with marginalized groups such as LGBTQ+ people getting stuck between the political crossfire and having their rights slowly taken away.
Ssssshhh watch for street food vendor in front of yer house wkwkwkwkwk
But yea, the Jakarta method is currently one of the most successful decommunization work
As an Indonesian I agree with this, our left movement is almost non to existent
Remember tvar', if you are killed for supporting right ideology, whether it's any nazi or economical views, you are being repressed and this is representation of violation of freedom of word. If you are persecuted for being communist or socialist, then it is only right, because according to German research of 40-s you're not even a human, therefore it is justified to exterminate you. Freedom of word must stand above all!
YUGOPNIK Based as usual ❤
Glory comrade Xi
Ah, yes, the whining of poor sad tankies. How grateful I am that the days of the "prison for nations", as the USSR was called by the literal majority of its population, are never coming back, and what goes on now in Ukraine clearly shows that.
How did it take me this long to actually start watching your content? Dude you're great!
¡Gracias!
So excited for this. Hope you won‘t criticise my boy Tito too much, as I am super biased when it comes to him. Kindly, a Ljubljančanka
edit: and the great-granddaughter of a proud deserter of the Nazi army. Who then joined the partisans in our forests and used to work as a train conductor. How much more of a hero could he have been.
Damn this one slaps real hard. Thank you for the lesson and inspiration 🤝
Excellent analysis Tovarisch!
greetings from Finland :)
Thank you for making all of your videos!
sorry you're coping. divisions in balkans date to the ottomans and austro hugarian empire. yugoslavia was at the benefit of croats, albanians, bosniaks but at a cost to serbs. same thing with russians in the soviet union.
The Soviet Union was at a cost to the Russians? Stop doing meth
@@telegnazatlqm3972 literally a war going on right now as a consequence of soviet union derussification bullshit.
@@SI-cd7xs What derussification in the Soviet Union, it was the reverse everyone had to adapt to the Moskal's way of life.
@@theshakhrayist7649 not everyone, do not lie. There were plenty of schools where they learned Russian just formally but the rest of education was in their own language. I studied in Russian school, but there were two school across the road where everything was i Uzbek language. Of course, if some of them wanted to work on the country level they studied Russian as it was their inter-language between nations. It depended on the country of course, as in Russian-speaking regions in Ukraine they studied in Russian first and mostly and learned Ukrainian from the second grade, but that was because Russian was dominant there before the Revolution. In the army there were plenty of stories how they laughed at some who couldn't speak Russian (at Estonians or guys from Central Asia) what only proves that many people lived freely without it.
@@keiralum1797 What year? Under Stalin, Brezhnev and Andropov Russification was at an all time high, the national language was basically one foot at the grave at that moment. The only real resistance was the Baltic States who had ardent nationalists in governement like Snieckus to halt it for a good period of time but cross to Ukraine all the way to Central Asia, those languages were disappearing.
So weird listening to your regular videos after listening to the deprogram...
Thank you JugoChad!!!!
I see tito, i like
The music was too loud in my opinion but the video is amazing as always!
Yeah I thought the same about the music - though it seemed better after the first 2 minutes :)
It can often be difficult/mentally tiring for me to understand speech when there's any background noise at all (maybe an ADHD issue), but loud music like that makes it worse.
But loud background music is fairly common on TH-cam, so I assume most people are ok with it :p
I enjoyed the video regardless, though
Does anybody know the name of that song?
Yugopnik is another kid from the Balkans who was raised by formerly privileged parents who were made bitter because flashing their communist-party loyalty card no longer granted them benefits, after the fall of Yugoslavia. All of this is a lamentation of the fairy tale of "perfect times before West came along" and is repeating the same old tired ramblings of a tankie stuck in a fever dream.
You can see how he, and most of this community are utterly disingenuous when Russian imperialism is supported, literally for the sake of just because it's anti-west, and any debates in the comment is just listening to pro-kremlin drones repeating Russian State Television propaganda word by word.
You're literally talking out of your ass. Out of most commie communities, the youtube one is where you'll see the least support for "Russian Imperialism". And things aren't perfect but it certainly beats having your economy forcebly liberalized by the US and the EU, having most of your national resources and industries either being bought for pennies by foreign capitalists or being completly destroyed by the same foreign capitalists with unreasonable market conditions where local industries just wilt and die.
Capitalism is when you're sold the ideia of prosperity by selling away your sovereignty, only to later find out you're left out without both sovereignty and prosperity,
@@spurce2179I know this is a few months old comment, but I feel I should respond. I think the original commenter was coming from a leftist perspective. I come from a Romanian household with a difficult relationship with the communist government. Many of the aspects we critique of capitalism (social hierarchy, nepotism, and consistent hunger for the lower-classes) were present in the communist era government.
Nevertheless, there was some good reforms. Southern Romanian in particular had an extremely unequal distribution of land before communism, the redistribution benefited many peasants. Nevertheless, kulak was never formally defined. So there were many villages that had a relatively equal distribution of land (rare, but it existed) who had their land stripped and taken away. The collectivization efforts later on would fail in Romania as Ceausescu implemented a harsh austerity policy, while simultaneously doubling down on the police state and a cult of personality. There was good and bad, as my dad says 90% bad but 10% pretty good.
I give context to the leftist Eastern European perspective to dive into the next point. The original commenter might have been frustrated with the lack of critique within these systems. Those who tend to have a positive relationship with the communist governments were collaborators with the police state, or were involved in party-level politics. They were at the top of the economic and social hierarchy.
I personally do not believe Yugopnik’s family were police state collaborators, as Yugoslavia was VERY different from Romania or the other Eastern European government. However, given the trauma that these systems could produce, their frustration is understandable.
xoxo
Also, for many Eastern Europeans (again, this is a leftist perspective) Russia is another imperialist power. Essentially Eastern Europe has their hands tied: collaborate with a slightly more benevolent imperial power (NATO and the social costs that come with it) or be invaded by Russia.
@@agh354 Greetings friend. I would like to know what I said in the past but youtube won't even show it to me.
Either way, frankly speaking, when I posted this I was far more radicalized, I have since tamed down my approach in dialogue and conversation and everything you said sounds very reasonable and agreeable to me.
There were good things with the USSR but there was certainly room for exploitation/opression/etc and a lot of what happen is what I would certainly qualify as negatives.
I'm no supporter of Russia but I don't really like the idea of bargaining with NATO either. Personally, even though the european landscape is looking somewhat grim with the rise of nationalism, the far right, etc, and despite finding the european project as one that can't go without criticism, I'd much rather there was a military defense organization that would defend European interests without any American interference whatsoever. Until then I don't believe we're truly free, so to speak.
With that said, I don't support the government of Russia one bit and I find it despicable that there's so many people just dying in the meat grinder for a seemingly pointless, never ending power struggle.
Sad reality we face nowadays and it's hard to stay positive.
Cheers to you. Big love from Portugal.
Edit: it's в горах югославии (in the mountains of Yugoslavia) it was a Soviet film made around 1946. Could not find it in any language other than Russian unfortunately.
What was the movie called that you showed in the middle, and do you know of any translations available for it in other languages
If you mean the movie at 3:40, that' "Bitka na Sutjesci" (battle of Sutjeska). It's on youtube, and probubly has English subs.
Oh this is it tovarisch.
Habibi, your production quality is excellent. Wonderful content.
"Some dingy & insane nationalist shit." 😂 Right on!
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24.
If God is real, he loves your boss as much as you do
That's not alot of love I can tell.
@@minhducnguyen9276 I wouldn't want it any other way
@@AnotherConscript My whole family are government workers. The COVID pandemic only cemented the notion that state owned businesses provide more security even if it's exchanged for lower wages in the short term. Many fanatic supporter of capitalism will call me a bootlicker and someone who loves government bureaucracy. Guess they have never had to deal with corporate bureaucracy. It much worse.
@@minhducnguyen9276 The state enterprises are more secure than private enterprises due too most (outside of the US ofcourse) not being forced too produce profit but a service too a guaranteed base of customers(the working class) although some can get weighted down by bureaucracy, aslong as there is a strong political motivation too get something done they will get it done such as the COVID vaccinations and incentives too stay home.
@@AnotherConscript You are encouraged to stay home because you get paid anyway. It's not everynone fault that they can't go to work. And the state owned business get funding to maintain the workforce instead of laying them off.
Great video as always! 14:35: yeah, literally "first they came for the communists" is what people should think when thinking about decommunization
Im sorry but yugoslavianisem was always doomed to fail
Excellent video! Capitalism is all about dividing people into warring groups for the sake of exploitation and greed. Only communism is about unity and the common good! Keep up the good work!
Hey just stumbled in here and these are some hot takes im not used to seeing. Putting the culture war shit aside. Not a got ya. I actually want to know.
1. Of the dozen or so countries that were communist in the last hundred years. How do you explain there economic failure, human rights violations, and what is your perspective on the vast majority of them being overthrown by a population that felt they were suffocating to their individual liberty. No argument or what about ism. I genuinely would like a answer becouse I can't comprehend from my perspective observing this history and coming to the conclusion that communism is good. Like there is a good amount to want to change about capitalism. But at the very least it looks to be way better for the people actually existing under it than any communist state in history right?
Also 2. What ideological grounds makes communist consider Hitler as right wing. I get that he isn't someone that anyone particularly wants to own. But to my understanding he wanted the state to own everything through collectivisation. In the interest of the people. Isn't that the point of communism. State ownership so that capitalists can't exploit people. The only difference I see is he applied the class dynamic to race inside germany instead of workers of the world. Wich I think that of the world thing is mostly hypothetical becouse evry communist country I can thank of are nationalist as shit
Didn't Communists butcher each other all the time and also remain very divided? Hell, the fact that a Politburo existed at all means that by default there was an "elite" in every Communist attempt in history. The only difference is that Capitalists can function with differing ideologies while Communists just give you the rope and claim themselves to be virtuous.
@@coltoncarrington2407 Pretty good points. But I can point out the fact north countries are pretty good without any violations (probably). Now for circle jerking I would like to say none of current communist countries have ever been communist. Like straight up. Which leads us to the point that we are not ready for communism yet. Until people will grasp the concepts of democracy we can’t jump straight into the communism. It’s just that far fetched from us right now.
@@coltoncarrington2407 Interesting questions. I would start with your claim that they were all "economic failures". The economy was booming in the Soviet Union during the 30's while the rest of the world was suffering the Great Depression. In less than one generation the Soviet Union went from a serf society where the vast majority of the population were illiterate peasants who lived in shacks to a world superpower that got into space first. The population became almost totally literate and they had access to housing, and free health care and education. Did the Soviet Union have its problems? Yes, of course. But it was not as nearly as bad as western propagandists pretend it was. For instance, they say that Stalin killed 20 to 25 million of his own people. Where did those numbers come from? Answer: one book--The Black Book of Communism written about an anti-communist fanatic. The actual number, according to Soviet records, was around 800,000. That is a lot to be sure but these were very trying times. There were attempts to overthrow the Soviet State by those who had never accepted the Bolsheviks. Did innocent people get caught up in these purges? Yes. That is one of the bad chapters of Soviet history. The same goes for Mao. He took a huge nation of illiterate peasants and educated and housed them. Plus you have to realize that every communist nation arose AFTER a brutal war. Plus all were poverty stricken. That is a fact. So trying to build a decent society was a daunting task. Add to that fact that in every case the USA and it's western allies did everything they could to bring down the fledgling communist nations. The did embargoes, covert actions, actual military attacks, sabotage, and every trick in the book to defeat said nation. So every communist country was started with the chips stacked against them. the fact that they accomplished so much with so little is just amazing. In every communist nation they raised the standards of living, gave people free education and health care and provided housing. Does America give its people those things? No. American society is based on greed and exploitation.
I should also point out that in reality these countries were building a socialist society with the end goal of communism; a stateless, class-less, money-less society. They did not achieve their goals obviously due to many circumstances. And those countries, with the exception of Albania and Romania were not "overthrown" by the people as you claim. They just turned capitalist. The people were convinced, mostly through western propaganda, that capitalism would make everything better and they protested for change. Well they got their capitalism and it was a disaster! For the first time people faced unemployment, food insecurity and homelessness. Polls taken not that long ago showed that around 60% to 70% of the people in the former Soviet Union and eastern Europe would like to go back to the old days. They may not have had all the advantages of western consumerism but they had security and decent lives.
And I would ask you how is capitalism better? Look around you. We have a huge problem with homelessness, & prices for food, housing, education and fuel are through the roof! Forty percent of Americans live in poverty and paycheck to paycheck. Plus capitalism is destroying life on earth all for profit. Capitalism is a virus that destroys its host. This is why we need a new path. And that path is communism. I hope this answered some of your questions. I would also suggest you watch videos by TH-camr Hakim. He presents this stuff much more succinctly than I do.
God damn the last minutes of the video should be translated to every language in existence!
Gave me goosebumps
A small clarification: The Yugoslav Wars (1991-2001) have a 130k-140k death toll, which is nowhere near the biggest combined death estimates from all sides of the war right now. So still not the bloodiest european conflict after WW2.
Bloodiest in the way how people were dying, it was one big bloodbath and massacre.
@@midnightblue1874 What I meant was that the current Russo-Ukrainian war is not the bloodiest european conflict since WW2, like the author said in the video.
@@user-jd6do2ls2j 140k in 10 years vs 14k in 5 months
@@tmgn7588 At least 100,000, probably a lot more, have died since the Ukraine war began back in 2014. The whole thing probably could have been prevented if we (the USA) respected Minsk and sovereign democracies, instead of helping neo nazi azovs execute a violent coup by massacring civilians in Maidan Square.
@@drumlessons833 I have 0 source for my outlandish claims but I must speak, yehooo!
Yooh! Yugopnik went full Optimus Prime speech mode especially at the last past. Banger video.
Interesting video as always! Bonus points for the palpable hatred when merely mentioning the IMF and the "Yugoslavia failed because muh different cultures, because muh nationality, Serbs, Bosnians and Croatians just cannot co-exist yadda yadda yadda" eye-roll inducing bullshit.
Also - Otpisani. Damn, I loved watching it as a kid. Excellent choice of music.
i wanted to have another pair of arms just to applaud this video even more.
the bitterness in the delivery of "some other dingy, nationalist shit" was amazing. I felt my own hatred of nationalism being sparked up so quickly. You have a talent for delivering speeches, man, you should get into politics.
yugopnik, i’m glad you share in my crippling vodka and pickle addiction! Solidarity forever
You can always trust Yugopnik to be the most based Slav on TH-cam
As a centricst, would love to hear your coverage of the crimes done by communists and why, in your opinion, communist or even socialist ideology never came to fruition
Whether it was the monarchy the socialist or the fascist we Albanians were always second class citizens in this glories Yugoslavia off yours.
That's sadly true. I know serbisn actors who were born in kosovo and lived in kosovo how kosovo Albanians were treated like shit and were even scared to go outside. Even now Albanians in presevo get Systematcly discriminated by the government and people. So sad. Well kosovo serbs... Live normally. I think??? Expect North kosovo serbs who think that they are suporier but anyway.
this videos from this cahnnel are such a piece of art
Reaching 100k soon Yugo!
The algho disagrees, but thank you
(Glares angrily at Nato)
Yeah, Russian occupation of the baltic states would be very wholesome and based.
@@bluegamer6474 Why do you assume that's what this person's position?
@@Critical_Hit The only real point of NATO is to stop Russian imperialism. I usually assume anti-NATO leftists to be bad faith tankies. They often say that NATO shouldn't have expanded, and if it didn't, then the baltic states would be just as vulnerable as Ukraine right now.
@@bluegamer6474 🤦♂️
@@Critical_Hit Because what's the alternative?
Your take on the Ukrainian russian conflict seems to short. Marching into another country is a different thing than having your soldiers only in your own territory. Secound you didnt say anything about the history of imperialism in Russias history and how it is connected to todays events. It is really blind to give the West the fault for this conflict.
Great video, as always
Great video. Honestly I don't get why people tear down statues of Lenin, it won't help in any way and is just a waste of time and human power.
I agree. And if they hate communism so much,they should take down all the apartment buildings,factories,roads,etc etc…because communism BAD!
I assume people associate him with the process of russofication.
@@edward9674 i mean, i’d guess the tzars russianised the ukranians way more than the SU ever could
@@janizuka1922 Yeah both are guilty of it.
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Capitalist imperial forces did to Yugoslavia what capitalist imperial forces did and are doing to socialist Latin America. Im just waiting for you to go one step further and realize everyone was fed their own version of the story so comparing ustaše to četnici makes no logical sense.
Capitalist forces had no role in the break up of Yugoslavia. It was all local, organic, home grown ethno nationalism. To deny that fact is to both, deny agency to the perpetrators and to knowingly/unknowingly use their propaganda. The idea that the West is at fault is the idea by the Serbian leadership, and it was openly admited. Vuk Drašković, the biggest opponent of Milošević, agreed wtih Milošević and all the crimes, except that Drašković had the vision to look for NATO support before acting on the crimes.
@@yugotek I havent and didnt even mean to deny any crimes done from either side. My point is that the whole destabilization was a capitalist imperialist project. From start to finish it was being guided to the slaughterhouse. We can see it being done across the world. It would be naive to think it was any different on the balkans.
@@bismuth7730 and that's the propaganda. Yugoslavia was not destabilized from the outside. Nationalist ideas and beliefs never left the country, even the top of the Yugoslav leadership. Ranković was removed from power because Greater Serbia chauvinism. Already in the 60's you had officials being jailed for nationalist speech and Đilas writing letters to Tito warning of the comming problems. The biggest disfunction of Tito's Yugoslavia was the question of nationality, which was essentially left to the republics. There was no official Yugoslavs. Even worse, Yugoslavia had official peoples - Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, etc., and narodnosti which were minorities. These are the lines were the country later cracked. Yugoslavia was never a secular citizens republic, it functioned like that because if Tito. The moment he died, the glowes were off.
@@yugotek role of the "internacional community" was to support dezintegracion of YU with full force, advising independence for the republics, fast recognizing it (on the lines of the alliances from ww2), telling one nation who constituted large minoritys in the other republics that they don't have any right for their independence, and at the same time (or shortly after) giving full support (with bombs and rockets) for independence of different nacional minority in their own country......
Sooo yeah, they played a (big) roll, which doesn't help the case or diminish responsibility of domestic morons..... And it was a big difference between milosevic and draskovic, first did support people on the national line in other republics, but always trying to keep a facade that Serbia was not at war, which lead to forming para-military structures, and harder to control (which again lead to more war-crimes)..... And draskovic was for Republic of Serbia declaration of war to protect their nationals in other republics, with military of the republic of Serbia officially involved....
And I would really like to see how that would turn out, (like in the video game, and if turns out worse just restart) because every republics got in power nationalistic option during the '90, only Serbia got some weird national-communist, whose results were pretty disastrous for all involved ...
@@yugotek It's like you didn't watch the video at all. Ethnonationalism existed in Yugoslavia from the very beginning, yet it only veered its ugly head once the west destabilised the economy. It's entirely capitalism's fault and to deny it is to be a naïve liberal
It felt so wierd hearing a "German" speaking in a Georgian accent 😂
Tito very nice i like
You can tell just how almost miraculous the unification of people was that happened Yugoslavia because even an old history teacher of mine with a rather liberal-catholic views approved that Tito was the best that could have happened in such turbulent region. Sometimes it's hard for people to publicly judge governments of the past on what they have actually done rather than find similarities in ideologies to governments that have only preached those values.