What I also love about The End’s new Bossfight is the fact that the attack that drains you down to 100 rings is fair. It is completely possible to avoid that attack since it will only activate if you get hit by one of the projectiles in phase 2. If you are really good at parrying, you can avoid it. Personally, I’m more than fine letting the attack hit since the animation that follows is worth the rings
Is very challenging to parry every sphere like I need to cyloop to avoid that There’s so many attacks that give a punishment which is why is my favourite boss
Correction. The story book games are considered CANNON. As sonic references it when he says "no stranger than saving genies in magic books" in sonic generations
He did not say they aren’t canon he said they are not mainline they are spin offs like shadow the hedgehog a spin-off that happens in the sonic universe of sonic but not a mainline game
52:53 actually this attack will only activate in the second phase if you are hit by an energy sphere. If you parry them all you never see the animation
Even if you're not gonna count it as "main line", it's crazy how (in retrospect) the corrupted Mother Wisp boss fight is better than half of what actually got counted here. Sonic Colors DS was so GOATed.
Ok here’s a cool detail I don’t think anyone’s pointed out yet, in the final horizon after defeating the end Sonic falls back to earth unconscious which makes sense seeing as how he used all his power and strength to defeat the end. Here’s the thing though, throughout the years every time Sonic has turned super he’s never gotten tired after using the chaos emeralds, he’s used them so much at this point he’s unlocked the full capabilities of what the emeralds can do. However there’s only one other time in the series Sonic has passed out after using them and that’s in Sonic Unleashed. After defeating Perfect Dark Gaia he turns back to normal and faints falling into Chips arms meaning in this instance and fighting the End are the only times Sonic passed out, meaning Dark Gaia and The End are the only foes to ever push Sonic to his absolute limits, but if there’s one thing Sonic is good at it’s going above and beyond what he can already do. Idk I just really love that this game and Unleashed are games that actually tested Sonic’s limits in what he could do because he cares so much about saving the planet he’ll gladly do what Shadow did in SA2 anytime if it means saving his friends and everyone on this amazing planet. It’s perfect. I feel like for this reason alone Dark Gaia and Supreme/The End are tied for my favorites as well.
And not only that. Both Dark Gaia and The Supreme End (I like to call the final horizon the end like that) are some of the few enemies that were able to actually damage Super Sonic
@@ignaciopizarro97 What I also like is that The End's way of hurting Super Sonic is actually more dangerous than the others. After all, while some could knock the rings out of Super Sonic, he could recover the lost number of rings. But after The End's attacks, Super Sonic will be able to regenerate fewer rings.
@@ИльфатГалимов-э6ф Pretty Cool and Subtle Way of Saying that The End's attacks leave a LASTING Damage on Sonic,If Sonic could Bleed In Games,The End would probably be the Only Enemy To Ever Make Súper Sonic Bleed
The final boss of Heroes is great in my opinion. It makes sense he would transform into a kaiju and not fight Sonic normally. He wants to prove just how powerful he is. And it's got "What I'm Made Of."
What I love about the Final Horizon Final boss is that they made every time you get hit by an orb you lose rings! And pushed Super Sonic to his max potential!
The death ball cutscene will only play if you get hit by any of the tiny balls, its skippable but only if youre able to parry all of them throughout the 2nd phase of the fight.
11:37-11:57 Sonic CD came out after Sonic 2 in all regions. Yeah sure CD took place between Sonic 1 and 2 (thanks to Origins), but it was released almost a year after Sonic 2. The first robotic Sonic that technically appeared is the Mecha Sonic in the Master System/Game Gear version of Sonic 2 which came out before the Genesis/Mega Drive version of Sonic 2.
I noticed that too, as someone who is obsessed with the history of the early Sonic games 🤣 It's an easy mistake to make, though I am curious where he heard that Sonic CD came out before Sonic 2
Kids, kids. EVERYTHING in the "Sonic the Hedgehog Universe" is canon. However, there's a difference between "canon", and "mainline". The storybook titles are NOT mainline. PERIOD. Even if they are subtly referenced in "Sonic Generations"-- itself, being a celebration of the franchise, rather than an actual successor to what came before. That said, "Shadow the Hedgehog" is 100% a mainline title taking place DIRECTLY after "Sonic Heroes"/ before "Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)". And SHOULD have been included in this list.
one thing i like about og the end is the speech it gave. Its like one of those boss battle where the boss tells us the clear motives behind their action or telling their story in battle making it more dramatic final boss. Man the only thing that let it down is the gameplay itself, tho im happy for what they did in update 3.
I know quite a bit of history. I think the whole Nega thing and the people who are supposed to represent it is actually an idol for the first worldly rebel, Nimrod. The absolute negative of a man that unified mankind by their evil. How else would they claim that mankind came from Africa if they weren’t suggesting it was Babel?
My headcanon is that Supreme was acting like a dog/eldritch horror character because he was fighting against The End's control internally If The End FULLY controlled Supreme, Sonic would most likely be whooped
What would make a literally perfect boss fight is if sonic had to fight all the titans at once all controlled by The End. you could do amazing things with that setup like imagine sonic spinning wyvern into the other titans while avoiding projectiles. Sonic knocking out all the titans in one place so eggman could shoot all of them into the end, maybe you could do this while playing as cyber sonic(final form)
Given things from the original End fight like Sonic's speech and the work with the Titans text, I feel like the original intent for that fight was for the Titan pilots' Cyber spirits to control the other 3 Titans and fight The End's true form alongside Super Sonic and Sage. That would've been spectacular, but I'll gladly take Cyber Sonic too.
52:50 He will not shoot the giant orb if you get to the second verse of I'm here, he'll do it only if you get hit by one of its orbs in the second phase.
I think that the Nega-Wisp Armor is top notch for me.... mainly due to its design being used damn near over and over again, the majestic phase 2 theme, and a few other things as well. But I can say this.... Cyber Super Sonic was something that I wasn't expecting for Sonic Frontiers....AND I LOVED IT!!!!!
46:35 Correction, The End was indeed piloting the Supreme Titan in the previous battle, so much so that he states that "This shell was once MY PRISON now it shall be the avatar of my return". The difference is that instead of being contained, he is using all his power to corrupt the Titan.
Although metal overlord isn’t the same kind of fight most people wanted for a metal sonic return, but the characterization they gave him was everything I wanted from a powerful recreation of the main hero.
I mean, everyone is talking about why The END (the moon) is "just" a bullet hell, but i mean, do you really expect Sonic to destroye an evil goddly entity with just punching it ? Of course not... Beeing too close even for him is gonna be tricky to dodge those bullets if he is in the End, that's why he had to weakend it, and then after use the good old relatable : *HEADBUTTING*
Your comment on the Nega Wisp Armor actually reminded of a take I've had for a while. People like to say that the Mega Death Egg Robot from Forces is a Nega Wisp Armor clone and I've always wondered why? It's the same style as a LOT of modern Sonic boss fights, where you just boost towards the big robot as it attacks you. As such, I feel it's not a Nega Wisp Armor clone; it and so many other fights are EGG BEETLE CLONES (since it was the first fight of this structure to my knowledge). To address the potential question, I still think it's fair to call the Eggrobo a Nega Wisp Armor clone. Just not the Death Egg Robot.
@@bbguy2245probably,Sonic and the Secret Rings has things that 06 could have benefited a lot of having like,good dialogue,art Style,and ideas like a new Fire Transformation that could have Fought the Sun God? You know?
Cancel culture doesn't care for nuance. If I say it, someone will clip it, it'll make the rounds on twitter, and then I have that to deal with, and I'd rather just not.
About the requirement of Super Sonic dodge the Supreme/The End to attack the "umbilical cord", this IS USED in another fight but it isn't mandatory. In Knight boss battle if you dodge when Knight is defending with the shield Super Sonic will attack the Knight's head.
Frontiers is definitely badass with the combat, the poses sonic does and the music is awesome and the grand slam with super sonic 2 is so raw and definitely a callback to IDW
The best part of the Anti-wisp armor (yes it should be called this in protest to how bad the original naming scheme of calling them nega-wisps because they use negative energy) is that the music builds with each wisp type saved, starting quiet and swelling to this grand finale. Empowering you with each step and every ounce of progress.
What can I say, the titans are the best. You can hate the jank or how repetitive the gameplay gets but the highs no way Titans and music are definitely the peak parts of this game
@@theceoofeggmansempire5214 well the boss theme they go really hard and it fit well with the fight because how insane it is so to most of the people is does fit
Supreme isn't "punishing" you for parrying. if you don't parry those specific attacks, you still get knocked back and then need to parry the lasers after.
In my opinion, Shadow and the Storybook games are mainline. Shadow was a big Sonic Team game on all the main consoles. The Storybook games were also developed by Sonic Team and released on a main console. They were also the biggest entries in the series of those years. How does Mania count as a mainline game? It wasn't developed by Sonic Team.
Sonic 2 and 3&k weren't developed by Sonic Team either. That's why mania is included. I also agree he should've included Shadow the Hedgehog and the story ook games.
Also side comment, but people need to stop and grow up with that whole obsession with the word "Nega" in the Sonic series. Cause first off, it's meant to represent "negative", not that racist 5 letter N word... And that's the next thing... I'm a black person myself and don't like ANYONE using that 5 letter N word, cause it's derogatory. But I also find it more racist that people would literally try to say that "Nega" sounds too close to that 5 letter word... It's something that sounds hypocritical and racist in it's own right. And the 3rd thing... it really is childish... It's like when you're younger and someone says "poop" and everyone starts laughing... Seriously, people need to grow up on that. Sorry if that seems like a rant, but as a Sonic fan, I tend to see that issue pop up a lot and it's just more and more irritating the more I hear about it. It's cool if someone honestly does want to play it safe and not say anything close to that "5 letter word", but why the f**k are we in this situation to begin with cause a handful just wanted to ruin something?
I might be a little late to explain this but for The End's new fight where you lose your rings in the fight the reason you lose rings is because in the 2nd phase when you don't parry the orbs that are being shot towards you, you will be sent into that cutscene compared to where if you do parry the orbs you won't get that cutscene and lose rings.
20. I always felt like the Hardboiled Heavy fights were originally meant to take place in Titanic Monarch Act 2. That level has you complete 4 areas related to the stained glass windows of the Hardboiled Heavies but ultimately does nothing with them. I believe it was originally a boss rush but they decided to cut the bosses and made them part of the Phantom Egg boss. 19. My biggest problem with Egg Reverie is it feels like there's a scene missing. Heavy King betraying Eggman isn't really set up and Eggman's vehicle looks like it was thrown together quickly. It's held together by white tape and the headlight is cracked. It feels like part 2 of a fight where part 1 was cut.
Like the Animation on your OC in your video. But “THE END” Moon is the weird choice for the Final Boss in the main Story. But the Final DLC of Final Boss of The End Takes over the Surprise is cool.
Im honestly not a huge fan of either version of Supreme from Sonic Frontiers. The original was EXTREMELY anticlimactic, and the new one is really confusing and frustrating. Everything is there for both of them to be the best final bosses EVER, but they both frustrate me more than any other boss in the series
I mean fair enough, the trees should been taken out before the fight begins and the cord should be more clear like maybe giving us a tip of how to break it (or maybe parry the orbs to do that even) But the second play through should not been confusing at all is just the camera then. I can say that now the way I see dark gia now is just boosting into snakes then QTE. Compare that to the The End Supreme is complete outmatched.
I understand the not saying Nega out loud part. I'm the same way with Mario Galaxy 2 Explanation: There is a drill enemy called "Digga". Out of fear of mispeaking (I have a habit of talking faster than my brain puts sentences together, resulting in either stupid or hilarious messups), I refer to them as Drill Bills. Also partially because that seems like a more believable mario enemy name.
As much flaws frontiers has the super sonic boss battles was my favorite part of the game mostly Giganto and knights. I hope sonic team improves this formula in future titles it’s better than holding down one button to boost damage I’m a sucker beating up giant monsters mercilessly.
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, once again this was a very well done List and i wonder how this will get updated next time, though i guess Super Mecha Sonic doesn’t count as a Final Boss, huh? Oh well. By the way, have you watched the Rebooted Archieverse Teaser?
9:07 there is some substance. I believe rings only spawn in while eggman had the ruby. When heavy king has it no rings spawn but any left flying around from before remain. 13:42 I have only ever seen the "jackass" run
I am shocked how high the Superstars bosses are. Fang has his insta kill shenanigans which is absolutely cheap for such a long boss. The dragon is in my opinion the worst final boss ever. You can be as good in the game as you want to be, and it's still a lenghty mess of a fight, that can be absolutely ruined by the game's RNG of not giving you enough rings. There is literally NO challenge during the boss fight, RNG literally decides if your 6 minute or so run is worth it or not
I like the new version of The End final boss. It shows how strong The End is and making super sonic look incredibly weak considering he could barely chip away any health, until he goes super sonic 2 that is. Even then, The End was still a challenge, even more so than the three super hedgehogs fighting Solaris. To be honest, I’m glad we got to see how he can overcome the literal embodiment of death itself and still win regardless of the circumstances. This boss was just awesome all things considered.
Ok, before I get to this I should say that I sadly haven’t been able to play SA1 and Heroes yet so I can’t include Perfect Chaos and Metal Overlord and I also haven’t fully completed Superstars/gotten the Chaos Emeralds so no Fang or Black Dragon, anyway, let’s do this 17:The End V1 (Do I even need to say why) 16:Time Eater (Such a disappointing ending to an incredible game) 15:Death Egg Robot (I’m sorry, I get why it’s so iconic but gosh dang is this annoying, they really expect me to fight Silver Sonic and the Death Egg Robot, the latter having 16 hits, all with no rings? Uh, no thank you) 14:Egg Fortress Robot (This boss is so annoying that it’s half the reason I haven’t touched Superstars for weeks (the other reason being that Spider-Man 2 is out so Superstars is probably not gonna be touched for a year at least) 13:Egg Spinner (Haven’t got much to say about this, at least I can actually beat it unlike the last two) 12:Egg Crusher (Eh, it’s a little more enjoyable than the last one) 11:Egg Robo (It’s just a less enjoyable Colors final boss, could care less but it’s not terrible) 10:Phantom Egg (Again, haven’t got much to say, I enjoy it enough) 9:Egg Reverie (I really like the idea of having a three-way fight as the final boss but this could’ve been done better) 8:Big Arms (Not great, but it’s pretty fun) 7:”Death Egg Robot” (Still don’t get the name, but a surprisingly enjoyable (albeit not much) ending to a piece of crap) 6:Death Egg Showdown (Just the Super/Hyper Sonic stages make this easily my favorite Classic Sonic final boss) 5:Solaris (Ok, is it better than some bosses like the last one, maybe not, no, but beating this boss and in the process 06 as a whole was so freaking satisfying, especially when Sonic’s Kingdom Valley Mach Speed section had me stuck for like 2 years, that I’ll give it this) 4:Egg-Nega-Wisp (Ironically, when I call it the Colors era, I don’t think Colors did many things the best from this era, but this boss is very much at least one thing it did) 3:Final Hazard (Man, doing this and this whole game after years of wishing I could play it so badly, it was just awesome) 2:Dark Gaia (Call me biased for Unleashed, I don’t care, even with it now being dethroned as my favorite, I still don’t think this has been topped when it comes to being what Sonic called it, “the big finale”) 1:Supreme/The End V2 (Talk about an upgrade, and here I thought Knight was the highlight of this game)
Shadow and Sonic villains in chronology, Dr. Eggman, metal Sonic, Grand battle kukku xv. Metal knuckles, eggts, fang The sniper, dark dragon, hard boiled heavies, biolizard, Black Doom, Babylon guardian, eggman nega, Capt. Whisker and Johnny, egg destroyer, ifrit, Solaris (mephiles and iblis) erazor djinn, dark Gaia, scr-hd, Black Knight, Time eater, deadly six, ifinite, and The all-cosuming void,
I feel that the Sonic 1 Final Boss was ranked a little low. OG Sonic 1 didnt have the spin dash. That made the fight a lot scarier because it was easier to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
What? Is Metal Sonic not allowed to transform? Ascend to greater power than his creator ever could? Try to be better than Sonic? How does Heroes miss the point of Metal Sonic? I always thought it was trying to make him more threatening and memorable.
Of course, but then why does Neo Metal exist in the game, he should by all means represent that but he doesn’t, he shows up without a confrontation or a fight and transforms into Metal overlord, it’s a shame that a really well designed version serves no purpose at all
I am surprised that you put Superstars dragon so high on the list. I think it's a terrible boss fight that is mostly about waiting, which gives enough time to pray to RNGesus to spawn other characters which are necessary for your survival.
I think hyper sonic could , come back with the help of the master Emerald and Chaos emeralds bc they were cracked in mania but could be Repaired with the help of master emerald and Chaos emeralds
My top 5, ranked for all of gameplay, spectacle, setpieces, and story presence 5) The End (Horizon) 4) Doomsday 3) Finalhazard 2) Devil Doom (2005) 1) Devil Doom (2024)
Metal Overlord is a great fight with great story context but at the cost Neo Metal Sonic being improperly setup or battled. I agree with what your saying about this fight. But I am curious what gets higher
I have major problems with Frontiers from a gameplay standpoint, but the cinematics and story really sold me on how cool and awesome Sonic is. If only SEGA gave their devs the time and resources to finetune the gameplay. But yeah, THE END/SUPREME fight is awesome.
The final boss in Sonic Mania that the people didn’t realize that Eggman has gotten his mind lost insanity! He went insane and using the phantom ruby to destroy Sonic! I’m not gonna lie that Sonic Mania is the prologue of Sonic Forces!
No I’m went on Google and storybook a.k.a. Black Knight and secret rings are actually Canon and mainline and so is shadow the hedgehog I don’t know how you can skip out on mainline titles on a mainline video🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
I would put the dragon from superstars WAY further down on the list. The fight goes on way too long and half of its attacks pose no threat aside from wasting a minute of your time to watch them play out, since all they do is knock you back. Getting knocked back in Doomsday Zone matters because you’re trying to chase down Eggman against a timer. It doesn’t matter in Superstars when the boss is sitting in the background and you need to just wait for him to do an attack that gives you an opening.
highly disagree with the superstars bosses being so high noting how glitchy and long they are. like as much as i personally hate sonic 2's one shotting death egg robot covered in instakills at least if you're skilled you can speedrun him and if you're unfarmiliar you can back off and observe his patterns, his attacks are highly telegraphed. superstars is outright poor level design with 30 plus gaps between openings, sudden ground removing attacks which can also bounce the ground below you killing your ability to run causing a death to the collapse, and the second phase where he just stays invulnerable like 3-4 times longer than his invincibility flashes making you just jump into him not get the post hit bounce back and just fall in a pit, or you just get hit once and fall because the stage is now constantly moving so now you need to redo a 5 minute phase 1. and knacks version is only marginally better cause it only has a phase 0 and 1, i say phase zero because it's so pathetically easy it just adds an extra 4 minutes each time you die to the actual fight which is somehow more unfair with webs which death combo you silver the hedgehog style. also the end has one other thing going for it, its gameplay was introduced in the hacking minigames so unlike most super fights you're already tutorialised which allows you to more easily get right into fighting the boss. i agree with its general placement but not behind superstars like damn that game has close to the worst collection of bosses in the series lol.
I'm sorry Pup love your videos but your intro is so inticing it always brings me back to the 90's then when i hear ya voice i get sad 😭 Feels like i always missed a good show
While I don't hate the fight, I feel like Final Horizon's Final Boss typically gets higher on lists than I think it should and I think the reason why is only because everything seems hype at face level. Don't think about why the mindless planet destroyer wants to have a new avatar, don't think about how Supreme tried to fight back at first even though The End was controlling it the entire time, don't think about how Super Sonic 2 gives you a downgraded parry, don't think about how said parry, the thing that is the only thing different between base Super Sonic and Super Sonic 2, ends up not being important to this fight. Look! Sonic technically has a new form! Look! Sonic's friends are there in the background! Look! Sonic's attitude is at a new level! Look, Eggman fired Sonic out of a gun! This boss was more cinematic than the original boss, and it's gameplay is more in line with the other bosses in the game, but ultimately I feel like the original was somehow a better end to the game than this was.
Why are none of the portable games on this list? The Rivals games, I can readily accept, but Rush introduced Blaze, Rush Adventure was it’s sequel, The Portable Ports had entirely changed boss fights compared to console, and the Sonic Advance Trilogy just makes sense.
Nice video...but Dream Team is going to make this video outdated very soon. Just had to wait on month to put on that, "2023 edition" and get off scot-free.
What I also love about The End’s new Bossfight is the fact that the attack that drains you down to 100 rings is fair. It is completely possible to avoid that attack since it will only activate if you get hit by one of the projectiles in phase 2. If you are really good at parrying, you can avoid it.
Personally, I’m more than fine letting the attack hit since the animation that follows is worth the rings
Is very challenging to parry every sphere like I need to cyloop to avoid that
There’s so many attacks that give a punishment which is why is my favourite boss
absolutely agree
its so cool
I suck at parrying since I always end up with the camera behind the trees so I end up seeing it anyway
Speedrunners are gonna have to make sure they hit every parry cause that's gonna be a huge time loss otherwise. Shouldn't be too hard for them though.
Correction. The story book games are considered CANNON. As sonic references it when he says "no stranger than saving genies in magic books" in sonic generations
He didn't say they weren't canon, he said they aren't mainline
And unleashed leads into black knights opening, direct sequal
He didn't say anything against them being canon at the start, just not "mainline"
He did not say they aren’t canon he said they are not mainline they are spin offs like shadow the hedgehog a spin-off that happens in the sonic universe of sonic but not a mainline game
@@SxM04650even if they aren’t main line doesn’t mean canon makes them mainline they fit in the list of the mainline canon
52:53 actually this attack will only activate in the second phase if you are hit by an energy sphere. If you parry them all you never see the animation
Even if you're not gonna count it as "main line", it's crazy how (in retrospect) the corrupted Mother Wisp boss fight is better than half of what actually got counted here. Sonic Colors DS was so GOATed.
I KNOW
Way more interesting than the Nega Wisp Armor fight in the OG Colors if you ask me, better in everything except for the song used in both boss fights
Ok here’s a cool detail I don’t think anyone’s pointed out yet, in the final horizon after defeating the end Sonic falls back to earth unconscious which makes sense seeing as how he used all his power and strength to defeat the end. Here’s the thing though, throughout the years every time Sonic has turned super he’s never gotten tired after using the chaos emeralds, he’s used them so much at this point he’s unlocked the full capabilities of what the emeralds can do. However there’s only one other time in the series Sonic has passed out after using them and that’s in Sonic Unleashed. After defeating Perfect Dark Gaia he turns back to normal and faints falling into Chips arms meaning in this instance and fighting the End are the only times Sonic passed out, meaning Dark Gaia and The End are the only foes to ever push Sonic to his absolute limits, but if there’s one thing Sonic is good at it’s going above and beyond what he can already do. Idk I just really love that this game and Unleashed are games that actually tested Sonic’s limits in what he could do because he cares so much about saving the planet he’ll gladly do what Shadow did in SA2 anytime if it means saving his friends and everyone on this amazing planet. It’s perfect. I feel like for this reason alone Dark Gaia and Supreme/The End are tied for my favorites as well.
Very good observation. It's really Cool!!
And not only that. Both Dark Gaia and The Supreme End (I like to call the final horizon the end like that) are some of the few enemies that were able to actually damage Super Sonic
@@ignaciopizarro97 What I also like is that The End's way of hurting Super Sonic is actually more dangerous than the others. After all, while some could knock the rings out of Super Sonic, he could recover the lost number of rings. But after The End's attacks, Super Sonic will be able to regenerate fewer rings.
@@ИльфатГалимов-э6ф Pretty Cool and Subtle Way of Saying that The End's attacks leave a LASTING Damage on Sonic,If Sonic could Bleed In Games,The End would probably be the Only Enemy To Ever Make Súper Sonic Bleed
The final boss of Heroes is great in my opinion. It makes sense he would transform into a kaiju and not fight Sonic normally. He wants to prove just how powerful he is. And it's got "What I'm Made Of."
Shadow the Hedgehog IS canon.
It's the end of Shadow's amnesia arc from Sonic Heroes and moves him forward in '06.
What I love about the Final Horizon Final boss is that they made every time you get hit by an orb you lose rings! And pushed Super Sonic to his max potential!
The death ball cutscene will only play if you get hit by any of the tiny balls, its skippable but only if youre able to parry all of them throughout the 2nd phase of the fight.
50:00 Small correction, but you can ALSO do it against KNIGHT's shield.
This is where you can learn how to deal with the Final Boss of the Last DLC.
11:37-11:57 Sonic CD came out after Sonic 2 in all regions. Yeah sure CD took place between Sonic 1 and 2 (thanks to Origins), but it was released almost a year after Sonic 2. The first robotic Sonic that technically appeared is the Mecha Sonic in the Master System/Game Gear version of Sonic 2 which came out before the Genesis/Mega Drive version of Sonic 2.
I noticed that too, as someone who is obsessed with the history of the early Sonic games 🤣 It's an easy mistake to make, though I am curious where he heard that Sonic CD came out before Sonic 2
Kids, kids. EVERYTHING in the "Sonic the Hedgehog Universe" is canon. However, there's a difference between "canon", and "mainline". The storybook titles are NOT mainline. PERIOD. Even if they are subtly referenced in "Sonic Generations"-- itself, being a celebration of the franchise, rather than an actual successor to what came before.
That said, "Shadow the Hedgehog" is 100% a mainline title taking place DIRECTLY after "Sonic Heroes"/ before "Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)". And SHOULD have been included in this list.
one thing i like about og the end is the speech it gave. Its like one of those boss battle where the boss tells us the clear motives behind their action or telling their story in battle making it more dramatic final boss. Man the only thing that let it down is the gameplay itself, tho im happy for what they did in update 3.
Ooh love this topic choice! Very curious what your favourites are
Hey Strider
Nega is short for Negative. Just call it the Egg Negative Wisp Armor.
People know what it means; they just want to twist it because they have no lives outside of stirring up trouble on social media.
I know quite a bit of history. I think the whole Nega thing and the people who are supposed to represent it is actually an idol for the first worldly rebel, Nimrod. The absolute negative of a man that unified mankind by their evil. How else would they claim that mankind came from Africa if they weren’t suggesting it was Babel?
@@justice8718 Bruh. This ain't a video on religion. Go peddle mythology elsewhere.
There is 1 type of humans : the ones who love sonic frontiers (the other are some kind of sh*t)
The end is top 2 sonic bosses and earns best redemption arc
My headcanon is that Supreme was acting like a dog/eldritch horror character because he was fighting against The End's control internally
If The End FULLY controlled Supreme, Sonic would most likely be whooped
Actually, Knight's shield is the same workaround as when they teach you. It's also a GREAT way to just skip that shield riding segment.
What would make a literally perfect boss fight is if sonic had to fight all the titans at once all controlled by The End. you could do amazing things with that setup like imagine sonic spinning wyvern into the other titans while avoiding projectiles. Sonic knocking out all the titans in one place so eggman could shoot all of them into the end, maybe you could do this while playing as cyber sonic(final form)
Given things from the original End fight like Sonic's speech and the work with the Titans text, I feel like the original intent for that fight was for the Titan pilots' Cyber spirits to control the other 3 Titans and fight The End's true form alongside Super Sonic and Sage. That would've been spectacular, but I'll gladly take Cyber Sonic too.
52:50 He will not shoot the giant orb if you get to the second verse of I'm here, he'll do it only if you get hit by one of its orbs in the second phase.
We can all agree that The End supreme, perfect dark gia and Final hazard are the 3 best final bosses in the whole sonic franchise
I think that the Nega-Wisp Armor is top notch for me.... mainly due to its design being used damn near over and over again, the majestic phase 2 theme, and a few other things as well. But I can say this.... Cyber Super Sonic was something that I wasn't expecting for Sonic Frontiers....AND I LOVED IT!!!!!
@@ricardostormsurgesilva284the Nega Wisp boss was fun, the problem is his boss fight mechanic was reused so much in later 2010s games
@@rickyronny4019 because of how iconic it was
@@ricardostormsurgesilva284 they got lazy and reused the boss format too many times. If it stayed in Colors, this would be remembered more fondly
@@rickyronny4019 at least it got a fresh coat of paint in the Ultimate remaster
46:35 Correction, The End was indeed piloting the Supreme Titan in the previous battle, so much so that he states that "This shell was once MY PRISON now it shall be the avatar of my return". The difference is that instead of being contained, he is using all his power to corrupt the Titan.
Although metal overlord isn’t the same kind of fight most people wanted for a metal sonic return, but the characterization they gave him was everything I wanted from a powerful recreation of the main hero.
I mean, everyone is talking about why The END (the moon) is "just" a bullet hell, but i mean, do you really expect Sonic to destroye an evil goddly entity with just punching it ? Of course not... Beeing too close even for him is gonna be tricky to dodge those bullets if he is in the End, that's why he had to weakend it, and then after use the good old relatable :
*HEADBUTTING*
And were not even gonna mention the fact that they unironically referenced Sonic X with the fact that Sonic was shot out of a cannon?
Your comment on the Nega Wisp Armor actually reminded of a take I've had for a while.
People like to say that the Mega Death Egg Robot from Forces is a Nega Wisp Armor clone and I've always wondered why? It's the same style as a LOT of modern Sonic boss fights, where you just boost towards the big robot as it attacks you.
As such, I feel it's not a Nega Wisp Armor clone; it and so many other fights are EGG BEETLE CLONES (since it was the first fight of this structure to my knowledge).
To address the potential question, I still think it's fair to call the Eggrobo a Nega Wisp Armor clone. Just not the Death Egg Robot.
Dude a part of me believes that if 06 had a great story and the gameplay for it was better, Solaris would have been the best no questions asked
sonic 06 would’ve been the best sonic game to date if it got the time it needed 😞
They split the team to make 06 and secret ring. Makes me wonder if they split the brains..
@@bbguy2245probably,Sonic and the Secret Rings has things that 06 could have benefited a lot of having like,good dialogue,art Style,and ideas like a new Fire Transformation that could have Fought the Sun God? You know?
25:12 hey there, snowflake, "Nega" ain't even the N word and it's an OFFICIAL boss name.
Cancel culture doesn't care for nuance. If I say it, someone will clip it, it'll make the rounds on twitter, and then I have that to deal with, and I'd rather just not.
About the requirement of Super Sonic dodge the Supreme/The End to attack the "umbilical cord", this IS USED in another fight but it isn't mandatory.
In Knight boss battle if you dodge when Knight is defending with the shield Super Sonic will attack the Knight's head.
Frontiers is definitely badass with the combat, the poses sonic does and the music is awesome and the grand slam with super sonic 2 is so raw and definitely a callback to IDW
Sonic frontiers got beef with that amazing ending🎉
The best part of the Anti-wisp armor (yes it should be called this in protest to how bad the original naming scheme of calling them nega-wisps because they use negative energy) is that the music builds with each wisp type saved, starting quiet and swelling to this grand finale. Empowering you with each step and every ounce of progress.
Ngl, i used to hate Frontiers. But the new The End bossfight got me so hyped
It might be one of my fav gaming bosses
What can I say, the titans are the best. You can hate the jank or how repetitive the gameplay gets but the highs no way
Titans and music are definitely the peak parts of this game
@@best_mate456I'm not sure if boss themes fit there (Aside from new Supreme/The End fights), but ngl, music is cool af
@@theceoofeggmansempire5214 well the boss theme they go really hard and it fit well with the fight because how insane it is so to most of the people is does fit
@@best_mate456 I'm not sure if they fit into Sonic game. But they are still cool
@@theceoofeggmansempire5214 sometime music does not need to fully fit in is all about enjoying the music
Supreme isn't "punishing" you for parrying. if you don't parry those specific attacks, you still get knocked back and then need to parry the lasers after.
In my opinion, Shadow and the Storybook games are mainline. Shadow was a big Sonic Team game on all the main consoles. The Storybook games were also developed by Sonic Team and released on a main console. They were also the biggest entries in the series of those years. How does Mania count as a mainline game? It wasn't developed by Sonic Team.
Because it was good
Sonic 2 and 3&k weren't developed by Sonic Team either. That's why mania is included. I also agree he should've included Shadow the Hedgehog and the story ook games.
My top 3 are
The Supreme End
Perfect Dark Gaia
Biolizard
48:30 Please “Super Sonic 2” sounds awful, “Cyber Super Sonic” sounds better
Actually, it's better to call Starfall Super Sonic, so as not to confuse the cyan-eyed stage with the fleetway stage.
Also side comment, but people need to stop and grow up with that whole obsession with the word "Nega" in the Sonic series. Cause first off, it's meant to represent "negative", not that racist 5 letter N word...
And that's the next thing... I'm a black person myself and don't like ANYONE using that 5 letter N word, cause it's derogatory. But I also find it more racist that people would literally try to say that "Nega" sounds too close to that 5 letter word... It's something that sounds hypocritical and racist in it's own right.
And the 3rd thing... it really is childish... It's like when you're younger and someone says "poop" and everyone starts laughing... Seriously, people need to grow up on that.
Sorry if that seems like a rant, but as a Sonic fan, I tend to see that issue pop up a lot and it's just more and more irritating the more I hear about it. It's cool if someone honestly does want to play it safe and not say anything close to that "5 letter word", but why the f**k are we in this situation to begin with cause a handful just wanted to ruin something?
I love nega. Nega is so cool. I love saying nega out loud in public.
I might be a little late to explain this but for The End's new fight where you lose your rings in the fight the reason you lose rings is because in the 2nd phase when you don't parry the orbs that are being shot towards you, you will be sent into that cutscene compared to where if you do parry the orbs you won't get that cutscene and lose rings.
20. I always felt like the Hardboiled Heavy fights were originally meant to take place in Titanic Monarch Act 2. That level has you complete 4 areas related to the stained glass windows of the Hardboiled Heavies but ultimately does nothing with them. I believe it was originally a boss rush but they decided to cut the bosses and made them part of the Phantom Egg boss.
19. My biggest problem with Egg Reverie is it feels like there's a scene missing. Heavy King betraying Eggman isn't really set up and Eggman's vehicle looks like it was thrown together quickly. It's held together by white tape and the headlight is cracked. It feels like part 2 of a fight where part 1 was cut.
Like the Animation on your OC in your video. But “THE END” Moon is the weird choice for the Final Boss in the main Story. But the Final DLC of Final Boss of The End Takes over the Surprise is cool.
Cmon dude,that Final Fight in Update 3 is peak,like Its simply the Best
Im honestly not a huge fan of either version of Supreme from Sonic Frontiers. The original was EXTREMELY anticlimactic, and the new one is really confusing and frustrating. Everything is there for both of them to be the best final bosses EVER, but they both frustrate me more than any other boss in the series
I mean fair enough, the trees should been taken out before the fight begins and the cord should be more clear like maybe giving us a tip of how to break it (or maybe parry the orbs to do that even)
But the second play through should not been confusing at all is just the camera then.
I can say that now the way I see dark gia now is just boosting into snakes then QTE. Compare that to the The End Supreme is complete outmatched.
I understand the not saying Nega out loud part. I'm the same way with Mario Galaxy 2
Explanation: There is a drill enemy called "Digga". Out of fear of mispeaking (I have a habit of talking faster than my brain puts sentences together, resulting in either stupid or hilarious messups), I refer to them as Drill Bills. Also partially because that seems like a more believable mario enemy name.
42:59 I believe chip is actually able to punch through the rocks taking 0 damage so you should be able to get a no damage run theoretically
As much flaws frontiers has the super sonic boss battles was my favorite part of the game mostly Giganto and knights. I hope sonic team improves this formula in future titles it’s better than holding down one button to boost damage I’m a sucker beating up giant monsters mercilessly.
0:01 Pup’s got moves
Atleast in the 3DS version, the Time Eater boss fight is more challenging.
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, once again this was a very well done List and i wonder how this will get updated next time, though i guess Super Mecha Sonic doesn’t count as a Final Boss, huh? Oh well.
By the way, have you watched the Rebooted Archieverse Teaser?
Amazing ranking and was super fun to watch, loved unleash, frontier's new finale, and some other games
9:07 there is some substance. I believe rings only spawn in while eggman had the ruby. When heavy king has it no rings spawn but any left flying around from before remain. 13:42 I have only ever seen the "jackass" run
I am shocked how high the Superstars bosses are.
Fang has his insta kill shenanigans which is absolutely cheap for such a long boss.
The dragon is in my opinion the worst final boss ever.
You can be as good in the game as you want to be, and it's still a lenghty mess of a fight, that can be absolutely ruined by the game's RNG of not giving you enough rings.
There is literally NO challenge during the boss fight, RNG literally decides if your 6 minute or so run is worth it or not
I think... it's time for me to admit... I was prisoner of the moment.
You forgot the final mecha sonic boss fight from knuckles story in s3k
I like the new version of The End final boss. It shows how strong The End is and making super sonic look incredibly weak considering he could barely chip away any health, until he goes super sonic 2 that is. Even then, The End was still a challenge, even more so than the three super hedgehogs fighting Solaris. To be honest, I’m glad we got to see how he can overcome the literal embodiment of death itself and still win regardless of the circumstances. This boss was just awesome all things considered.
Ok, before I get to this I should say that I sadly haven’t been able to play SA1 and Heroes yet so I can’t include Perfect Chaos and Metal Overlord and I also haven’t fully completed Superstars/gotten the Chaos Emeralds so no Fang or Black Dragon, anyway, let’s do this
17:The End V1 (Do I even need to say why)
16:Time Eater (Such a disappointing ending to an incredible game)
15:Death Egg Robot (I’m sorry, I get why it’s so iconic but gosh dang is this annoying, they really expect me to fight Silver Sonic and the Death Egg Robot, the latter having 16 hits, all with no rings? Uh, no thank you)
14:Egg Fortress Robot (This boss is so annoying that it’s half the reason I haven’t touched Superstars for weeks (the other reason being that Spider-Man 2 is out so Superstars is probably not gonna be touched for a year at least)
13:Egg Spinner (Haven’t got much to say about this, at least I can actually beat it unlike the last two)
12:Egg Crusher (Eh, it’s a little more enjoyable than the last one)
11:Egg Robo (It’s just a less enjoyable Colors final boss, could care less but it’s not terrible)
10:Phantom Egg (Again, haven’t got much to say, I enjoy it enough)
9:Egg Reverie (I really like the idea of having a three-way fight as the final boss but this could’ve been done better)
8:Big Arms (Not great, but it’s pretty fun)
7:”Death Egg Robot” (Still don’t get the name, but a surprisingly enjoyable (albeit not much) ending to a piece of crap)
6:Death Egg Showdown (Just the Super/Hyper Sonic stages make this easily my favorite Classic Sonic final boss)
5:Solaris (Ok, is it better than some bosses like the last one, maybe not, no, but beating this boss and in the process 06 as a whole was so freaking satisfying, especially when Sonic’s Kingdom Valley Mach Speed section had me stuck for like 2 years, that I’ll give it this)
4:Egg-Nega-Wisp (Ironically, when I call it the Colors era, I don’t think Colors did many things the best from this era, but this boss is very much at least one thing it did)
3:Final Hazard (Man, doing this and this whole game after years of wishing I could play it so badly, it was just awesome)
2:Dark Gaia (Call me biased for Unleashed, I don’t care, even with it now being dethroned as my favorite, I still don’t think this has been topped when it comes to being what Sonic called it, “the big finale”)
1:Supreme/The End V2 (Talk about an upgrade, and here I thought Knight was the highlight of this game)
Shadow and Sonic villains in chronology, Dr. Eggman, metal Sonic, Grand battle kukku xv. Metal knuckles, eggts, fang The sniper, dark dragon, hard boiled heavies, biolizard, Black Doom, Babylon guardian, eggman nega, Capt. Whisker and Johnny, egg destroyer, ifrit, Solaris (mephiles and iblis) erazor djinn, dark Gaia, scr-hd, Black Knight, Time eater, deadly six, ifinite, and The all-cosuming void,
I feel that the Sonic 1 Final Boss was ranked a little low. OG Sonic 1 didnt have the spin dash. That made the fight a lot scarier because it was easier to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Secret Rings and Black Night are mainline.
In both Generations and Frontiers Sonic makes reference to those games.
Canon ≠ Mainline
Almost every single Sonic game is canon, but the main series only consists of the console platformers staring Sonic
@@Metatronio The Wii is a console experience.
Damn an hour long video at a time where I had nothing to watch. NICE! Channel pup, what's your favourite sonic track of all time?
Dark Gaia's winning streak is finally broken.
What? Is Metal Sonic not allowed to transform? Ascend to greater power than his creator ever could? Try to be better than Sonic? How does Heroes miss the point of Metal Sonic? I always thought it was trying to make him more threatening and memorable.
Of course, but then why does Neo Metal exist in the game, he should by all means represent that but he doesn’t, he shows up without a confrontation or a fight and transforms into Metal overlord, it’s a shame that a really well designed version serves no purpose at all
There are lots of sonic boss fights which i love totally
Did anyone else have difficulty pressing the buttons fast enough for the triple boost with the death egg robot
Metal sonic also did appear in triple trouble
ngl Unleashed’s final boss was magical first time playing it, same with 06
I am surprised that you put Superstars dragon so high on the list. I think it's a terrible boss fight that is mostly about waiting, which gives enough time to pray to RNGesus to spawn other characters which are necessary for your survival.
I think hyper sonic could , come back with the help of the master Emerald and Chaos emeralds bc they were cracked in mania but could be Repaired with the help of master emerald and Chaos emeralds
14:16 how did you do the Super Peel-Out in Sonic 3?
A rom hack called Sonic 3 Complete allows you to enable the Super Peel-Out.
I don't think there is any connection, but I wonder if Perfect Dark Gaia is a Larval form of the dimension eaters like Solaris and THE END.
I mean, Secret Rings and Black Knight ARE canon.
Wait but wasnt black knight and secret rings referenced in Generation a game that is Canon
Secret rings yes but not sure of the black knight
My top 5, ranked for all of gameplay, spectacle, setpieces, and story presence
5) The End (Horizon)
4) Doomsday
3) Finalhazard
2) Devil Doom (2005)
1) Devil Doom (2024)
Metal Overlord is a great fight with great story context but at the cost Neo Metal Sonic being improperly setup or battled. I agree with what your saying about this fight. But I am curious what gets higher
So you’re gonna include SONIC 4, and not the storybook games? Sonic 4 isn’t cannon, AND it’s a spin-off!
Both are debatable. Why not Rush or Advance?
@@aidanhammans9337 well I know for a fact that s4 is a spin off and it isn’t cannon. Idk about the ds & 3Ds games.
I have major problems with Frontiers from a gameplay standpoint, but the cinematics and story really sold me on how cool and awesome Sonic is. If only SEGA gave their devs the time and resources to finetune the gameplay. But yeah, THE END/SUPREME fight is awesome.
52:53 actually he does that the first time you get knocked back in phase 2
The final boss in Sonic Mania that the people didn’t realize that Eggman has gotten his mind lost insanity! He went insane and using the phantom ruby to destroy Sonic! I’m not gonna lie that Sonic Mania is the prologue of Sonic Forces!
When will you rank the 2024 final bosses
No I’m went on Google and storybook a.k.a. Black Knight and secret rings are actually Canon and mainline and so is shadow the hedgehog I don’t know how you can skip out on mainline titles on a mainline video🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
I would put the dragon from superstars WAY further down on the list. The fight goes on way too long and half of its attacks pose no threat aside from wasting a minute of your time to watch them play out, since all they do is knock you back. Getting knocked back in Doomsday Zone matters because you’re trying to chase down Eggman against a timer. It doesn’t matter in Superstars when the boss is sitting in the background and you need to just wait for him to do an attack that gives you an opening.
Best is still HD Dark Gaia, worst is still HD Time Eater.
To me dark gia is second best but I agree time eater there is nothing good at all or barley anything good
To be fair.. It was hype,.but Fadel almost rips every second t-shirt he wears😅
The storybook games are mainline and I'm dying on this hill!
Please do Best Sonic Games next
highly disagree with the superstars bosses being so high noting how glitchy and long they are.
like as much as i personally hate sonic 2's one shotting death egg robot covered in instakills at least if you're skilled you can speedrun him and if you're unfarmiliar you can back off and observe his patterns, his attacks are highly telegraphed.
superstars is outright poor level design with 30 plus gaps between openings, sudden ground removing attacks which can also bounce the ground below you killing your ability to run causing a death to the collapse, and the second phase where he just stays invulnerable like 3-4 times longer than his invincibility flashes making you just jump into him not get the post hit bounce back and just fall in a pit, or you just get hit once and fall because the stage is now constantly moving so now you need to redo a 5 minute phase 1.
and knacks version is only marginally better cause it only has a phase 0 and 1, i say phase zero because it's so pathetically easy it just adds an extra 4 minutes each time you die to the actual fight which is somehow more unfair with webs which death combo you silver the hedgehog style.
also the end has one other thing going for it, its gameplay was introduced in the hacking minigames so unlike most super fights you're already tutorialised which allows you to more easily get right into fighting the boss. i agree with its general placement but not behind superstars like damn that game has close to the worst collection of bosses in the series lol.
I'm sorry Pup love your videos but your intro is so inticing it always brings me back to the 90's then when i hear ya voice i get sad 😭 Feels like i always missed a good show
While I don't hate the fight, I feel like Final Horizon's Final Boss typically gets higher on lists than I think it should and I think the reason why is only because everything seems hype at face level. Don't think about why the mindless planet destroyer wants to have a new avatar, don't think about how Supreme tried to fight back at first even though The End was controlling it the entire time, don't think about how Super Sonic 2 gives you a downgraded parry, don't think about how said parry, the thing that is the only thing different between base Super Sonic and Super Sonic 2, ends up not being important to this fight. Look! Sonic technically has a new form! Look! Sonic's friends are there in the background! Look! Sonic's attitude is at a new level! Look, Eggman fired Sonic out of a gun! This boss was more cinematic than the original boss, and it's gameplay is more in line with the other bosses in the game, but ultimately I feel like the original was somehow a better end to the game than this was.
1.Solaris, 2.THE END, 3.Perfect Dark gaia, 4.alf Layla wa Layla, 5.davil doom, 6.final hazard, 7.perfect chaos, 8.exiled, 9.the dark queen, 10.time eater & metal overload.
I miss the old channel pup
I’m dropping a dislike for not saying “Nega” at 25:09 🤦♀️💀
For me the best bosses are dark Gaia and the end final horizon
Same except instead of dark Gaia I would put the final hazard from sa2 but that’s just my opinion
I don't think this counts, but my favorite was Super Mecha Sonic from Sonic & Knuckles, Knuckles' story.
Were does shadow generations rank?
I love sonic lost world's boss. Easilly my fav so far. Though I havent played things like 06 or unleashed
Why are none of the portable games on this list? The Rivals games, I can readily accept, but Rush introduced Blaze, Rush Adventure was it’s sequel, The Portable Ports had entirely changed boss fights compared to console, and the Sonic Advance Trilogy just makes sense.
Channel pub: we haven't seen metal sonic since cd excluding knuckles chaotix
*triple trouble, drift 2, r and the fighters have left the chat*
Sonic dream team comes out:
I'm from the future. Fortunately Sonic Dream Team doesn't have a final boss.
@@ChannelPupsorry what you mean isn’t the last boss always the final boss. Even though you not actually fighting
11:47 Sonic CD came out after 2 in all regions???
Nice video...but Dream Team is going to make this video outdated very soon. Just had to wait on month to put on that, "2023 edition" and get off scot-free.
Maybe he doesnt have Apple Arcade. I can’t wait to play it tho!
I'm from the future. Sonic Dream Team doesn't have a final boss. It all worked out.