Son Finally Got Revenge After YEARS of Abuse
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2024
- The Sutton family were by all accounts a well to do and happy clan. John Sutton ran a successful law firm, and when someone broke into his house, blinded him and killed his wife, the investigation began. It would come close to home, but why? It turned out Chris Sutton held grudges since he was a teen.
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A friend of mine was kidnapped with the consent of his parents as he was a troubled youth. He was sent to some camp down in Mexico for several years. I want to say about 4? He was really a great guy, just had mental health issues that had not been addressed properly. Ended up killing himself on Christmas Eve. His parents were coming to his house for celebrations and he made sure they were the ones who found him. It was so tragic and he is truly missed. RIP Nick.
That is the biggest F U to give to your own parents. Making them always associate the holidays with his deaths so it will hurt more. Then they personally find his body? Yeah they won’t ever be the same again
I'm sorry fo your loss. Nick deserved better.
@@thepanpiper7715 I agree
Sorry to hear that and the loss of you friend. So sad
That is so heartbreaking from start to end.
The number of comments from people who were sent to those "camps" when they were younger chills me to the bones. I'm so sorry this happened to you all. I hope you are in a much, MUCH better place now and that you can build a life of your own that you love. You deserve a good life. Take care of yourselves.
They were really big in america all the way up to the 2000s and even then still managed to hang on with rebrandings.
Michigan had many of them I think on one of its islands was a massive one were sexual abuse was a huge problem till it was shut down.
A family member tied himself to a cinderblock and drowned himself time after being released from one.
The fact that they still exist and sometimes even make reality TV is insane.
They should have behaved themselves and they never would have been sent away. It's not difficult. Modt everyone else can behave well enough. You can only give jerks so many opportunities.
So sad..
most of them are punks that deserved it
i dont condone camps that abuse kids, but nothing wrong with strict camps to instill discipline, respect and responsibility on bad kids.
My buddy was sent to a camp like this and escaped so many times they kicked him out. Legends never die.
awesome
😂 I hope your friend uses his powers for good.
I always find it difficult to listen to stories where someone is abused and takes revenge and goes to prison. Be Smart - Revenge can be had in more ways than death and living the rest of your life out in prison!
He didn’t ‘escape’. He left. Those people were responsible for him. It sounds like he was incapable of making decisions
@@debbylou5729 literally the definition of "escape: breaking free of kidnapping."
The father of someone I know was sent to a camp like that and was there for two years or something like that. He'd casually say at the dinner table that if his father was still alive, he'd kill him for sending him there. I remember it vividly because I was so young and we were talking about summer camps and how much we were going to enjoy it there and I remember even more vividly how he said it and then excused himself from the table to go cry in the washing room. It was so awkward yet so so sad.
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@Pers Godiva Parents paying someone else to abuse their children is sick and wrong. I don’t the kid you knew for his feelings towards his father.
That's sick, theres a reason why those kids were sent there because people they live with knew there is something that is unredeemable about them and want them gone completely. That being said, the parents should have been better parents and possibly should have reflected on why their kids are acting out, fix the problems some other way...but then again who can judge, perhaps the parents did literally everything? Some people are just born bad apples and nothing in the world will ever fix them.
@@cerriwyn169 why did you write that in the replies to another comment instead of as a standard comment? Weird.
Jesus.. Why are they allowed?
I was semt to a camp like this. It wasnshut down after multiple children went missing or died. These programs cause extensive ptsd, in addition to the new abuses these kids face on a daily basis, from the abandonment of their families. They do not help kids. They cause extreme harm. I'm 0%surprised by this case.
right. i obviously feel bad for the mom and dad, but its insane they thought it was okay to send him to an abuse camp and force him to stay there even past 18, and think it'd have no effect
What other option is there for parents?
@@arynasabalenka3173 Literally anything else.
@@arynasabalenka3173 you do realize that the type of camp he was sent to is straight up abusive, right? "troubled teen programs" are nothing but bullshit; they should've done research on where to put him for his violent thoughts
@@rae6982 boomers.
I remember when those kidnap/punishment places were being pushed as a new way to deal with problem teens. Looking back, how could anyone think unregulated prison-type environments would be the "cure" for bad behavior in young people?
It was never about curing them, it was about punishment
Where I live I never heard of this camps. But I think the "appeal" they tried to sell was learning discipline like when you join the military.
It's horrifying that places like this or religious camps where you usually hear stories of abuse and bullying were rarely checked... Tho nobody does anything for the bullying and suicide rate in schools now, I guess they just didn't care back then.
Gee the fact that they found a letter stating their son will kill them would make any parent want to get rid of that child. I can't blame them as that kid ended up killing them anyway. He deserved to be in that place and the parents intuition was correct.
@@sew_gal7340”That child deserved be in an abusive camp that’s sole purpose, of course, is to hurt children and not actually work through the issues that got them sent there in the first place” - you. I don’t even know why you responded to OP’s comment because it doesn’t correlate to what they said. But I guess you just wanted to make sure everyone in the comment sections that you think it’s okay to abuse children as long as you think they deserve it.
just another prison to make money off of
My childhood best friend was sent to a youth camp in Utah when he was a teenager. It absolutely messed him up and damaged him emotionally/mentally/physically. The stories he's told me about that place are insane.
I'm going torripeeison.
I’ve you’ve never heard of “the Mountain Goats”, you should give the song “Best Ever Death Metal Band Out Of Denton”. It’s about, and for, people like your friend. Hope he’s found some peace since.
He must've did something to get himself there. It doesn't happen randomly.
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I don' know where or what that is. But I'm assuming bad. Be a survivor and make a good life for yourself. The son here sounds like an entitled, lazy waste. How long had he been back? Still no job, dealing drugs. Not attending school which I'm sure his parents would have paid for. I worked full time 3 of the 4 years I was in college. If he was gonna live with and sponge off them forever anyway, he could have just waited for them to die.
@@DroneStrike1776 he was smoking weed.
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I was in a program that was very similar. It left me scarred and angry and depressed. That being said I chose to let go my anger at my parents instead of make a stupid decision that would get myself thrown right back in prison. I almost understand why he felt that way
That’s too bad. Glad u were able to let go of the anger…certainly easier said than done.
Looking at ur username - is it Big Bear, CA? Beautiful place!😊
I was sent to a place like that too. It really fucked me up. I still struggle with the resentments I have with my family. Hope you're doing well now. I'm really happy you were able to let the anger go.
@@kaylagonzalez3465 where at...I was at PCS
@@christopherbigbear4908 oh nice, I was over at Purnayoo in Wayanad.
My question is...did u ever take ownership for your behavior that sent u there in the first place..
I was a teen back when those camps were real popular and almost entirely unregulated (if they are regulated now). I have had friends( male and female )be sent to those places. I'm gonna be blunt, if you have a troubled kid sending them to those camps is probably the worst thing you can do. The stuff the guys went through was BAD, the stuff the girls went through was usually even worse and without exception every one of the kids sent came out harder than when the went in. They felt like after what they had went through nothing else was worth being scared about. They had already dealt with the worst that could be done to them and they no longer has any ducks to give.... about anything.... including themselves.
Those camps are now " youth behavioral/ pych hospitals". I don't recommend sending your kids there. Just get them into recreational activities and outpatient therapy
Thank you! We agree 100%
So they worked, just like boot camps.
What was done to Chris were humiliation techniques for behavior modification. These techniques, which are severe, have been outlawed here in the USA. They had been in use for decades at various rehabs. One of them, which was the worst offender, was a two syllable word starting with TOP.... I can't recall it at the moment. In 2005, I was almost sent to one of those places. Fortunately, I ended up at a sane rehab where i found my sobriety. Anyway, God knows if the techniques, being outlawed, have really disappeared, but in Chris' case they were used to the max on a rock in the middle of the Pacific where there were no mediators. They will instill hatred in a person's heart and mind. They DO NOT work as effective drug or behavior rehabilitation, unless your aim is to create a violent sociopath, then maybe they might work. I don't condone the murders, but I can understand why they occurred.
I was sent to one. All it did was introduce me to kids that were much worse than me. And the number of people I went with who are now dead (suicide, reckless driving, multiple overdoses) is statistically off the charts for 40-something otherwise medically fit Americans.
Didn’t try to kill my parents, though, so 🤷🏽♀️
Yeah if your kid is behaving in a scary or criminal way, sending them to strangers to be tortured and abused is not going to help. 😞
That’s what I’m saying!
That’s what happens if you constantly act up and tell lies…..eventually no one will believe a word you say.
@@louise2467 that cool, but tf does it have to do with this?
Exactly
wtf. did you miss the MURDER PLOT??? sheesh...you people are scary
My abusive parents sent my sister to one of these awful places (not in a tropical paradise, just crappy isolated north american wilderness). It compounded the trauma from the constant abuse (physical, s*xual, verbal, emotional) our p.o.s. parents inflicted on us; of the 2 of us, it was my sister who ended up homeless & on drugs to numb the pain of the constant trauma. I don't doubt the "camp" and the horrible sh*t they did to the kids there contributed to what happened to my sister. The place was later shut down & various people associated with it have been charged with criminal offences, and the number of lawsuits levelled against it is noteworthy. Please please please be kind to your kids, listen to them when they're clearly crying out for help and love, get them compassionate help, and don't send them to horrible places like this.
@nig nig If only lawyers didn't cost tens of thousands of dollars and victims were believed without documented evidence and going to court itself weren't a re-traumatizing event for victims
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I've been shot in the head,the dispatcher says are you bleeding omg seriously
😂😂 like seriously …
True
I don't remember his name, but a guy was shot in the head and was treated as a suspect by the police for an hour or more (his girl friend was killed) - until they realized his black eye was a gun wound... He died approx one year later...
I've actually heard of multiple cases where it's not obvious the victim was shot...
@@jeankarma I remember that; they kept him from medical help until he died essentially
There was boys camp not too far from me here in Florida called Dozier. There is a documentary about it on TH-cam. I knew it was a bad place when I was a kid, but the truth was even worse than I imagined. It’s just hard to believe that a place like that could exist.
My parents did a lot of selfish things to me when I was younger. I have a good relationship with them now, but only because I've personally been able to recover from the pain. If I was still suffering daily, like this guy, I can see how it would cause him to do this. It doesn't excuse his actions, but I can see how he would feel the way he did. You can forgive people, but never ever forget.
In this case though, it seems he was already thinking of killing them for the money before he was sent away. Like the letter was a likely factor in his being sent away.
I see a lot of people accusing the parents of being abusive and how they understand how the son could harbor hatred and do what he did. No. There is absolutely no substantive evidence that they were abusive. He had written the letter stating he wanted to kill his parents for money before he was sent away to the camp. They had tried traditional boarding schools and other avenues such as therapy before that too. He was a spoiled little narcissistic twat-waffle and ingrate. Some of us were actually abused as children...some of us severely...and I, along with many others, never wanted to off our parents for money. How some children might harbor intense resentment and want revenge for legitimate and horrible abuse is understandable...but this isn't the case here. Stop justifying the evil actions of a greedy little narcissistic twat-waffle like this kid was.
@@zerotunzend3182 Kids don't ruin themselves.
@@keithrickson8522 I grew up in an extremely dysfunctional and abusive household...and have seen what damage parents can do to their children in my household and others. I can fully empathize and sympathize with those who grew up in abusive homes and have struggles. Sympathy ends when you choose to do harm to others though. Also, this kid wanted to off his family for money before he went to that camp...it's the reason they sent him. His sister didn't have any issues like him and never mentioned abuse in their home. In fact, by all accounts, they provided everything they could to their children. Sometimes it's absolutely understandable how someone can go down the wrong path because of the abuse/neglect of their parents. This isn't one of those cases. Everyone justifying what this narcissistic psychopath did is excusing his grotesque behavior.
Those camps are terrible and shouldn't exist. No one should defend them. This kid however had major psychopathic and narcissistic traits before he went to the camp. He wrote out how he wanted to off his family for money. There were no reports nor accounts of abuse or mistreatment prior. He was given everything he could ever want and need. If anything, I blame the parents for spoiling a little narcissistic psychopath like him...but they couldn't have known how depraved he was. Instead of sending him to the camp, they should have removed him completely from their house and cut him off. Then put up safe-guards to protect themselves and their daughter. So yeah...let's stop sympathizing with this little narcissistic psychopath as if he was abused his entire childhood and turned out the way he did because of his parents. There are actual cases that might apply and others who have actually experienced abuse and mistreatment during childhood...but this case isn't one of them and he didn't have long-standing abuse growing up. He wrote out a plan to murder his family for money before his time at that camp. He deserves no sympathy.
I mean so are the parents supposed to forget reading in his diary that he wanted to kill them to get their inheritance? Lmao did you watch the video and see how far gone this kid was before going there?
I do not condone murder but it should be known, I was sent away when I was 16 and abused at a “therapeutic boarding school for troubled teens” for about a year. I was sent because I smoked pot. I kept my head down, didn’t fight back, and conformed to the brain washing techniques to get through it. I still resent my parents for doing what they did. But luckily my father is a good man and we later talked and he apologized. My mother still thinks “it saved my life” and believes I would have joined a gang and ended up in an “early grave”. She still continues to be verbally, and emotionally abusive today. The school has been shut down and many got settlements for the abuse endured (not me). I think the abuse of this case has gone greatly overlooked and excused. I would never resort to murdering my parents for the abuse they caused me, but I think it should be noted. Live through it then tell me you don’t hold resentments toward your captors and abusers. My parents did not listen to me when I told them I was in danger and unsafe. The “school” told them I was just lying and manipulating them. The tactics used by these places mimics concentration camps set up in China to convert nonconformists into communists. It is very dark, tragic, and sad all around.
I agree with you same thing happened to me. The dad in the end taking 0 responsibility is so bad. He left his son with life in prison to understand only that the actions caused by his anger were wrong, not that even maybe his anger could be justified while the actions can never be justified. I don't really respect the dad the dad had many other paths he could have taken even after chris was out of the "rehab". Horrible tragedy that most likely could have been avoided.
@Pablo Von duckbill Considering that the son was planning on killing them at age 17, prior to being sent to the illegal reform camp, I would say it's likely this conclusion was unavoidable. I am sorry for the abuse you suffered and glad you and your father were able to reconcile.
It's totally eft up. They thought he was powerless and they were wrong
I'm so sorry for what you went through. It makes me sick, I don't understand why it's allowed
Cedu?
I was sent to Camden Military Academy in Camden, SC and I can say I had the opposite experience. They ran (unsure if it's still the same) a great program there and had a zero-tolerance policy for hazing. Have some great memories from my time there and still talk to some guys I met while there - nearly 20 years later. Unfortunately they also had a zero-tolerance policy for failing drug tests and I failed for THC. Hopefully that's changed as I was a straight-A student and not a discipline issue. Bye bye second mortgage my dad took out on our house. He was pissed and rightly so. Academically and disciplinarily, though, great program.
I credit my dad with doing his homework. I am truly sorry for those that didn't get the same courtesy.
I know it was bad that they were having an affair, but the fact that Teddy grabbed his gun and came over when he heard the gunshots over the phone is pretty badass
It's because Teddy thought it was John who shot Susan. He had been concerned about something like that happening at the hand of John for some time prior to the shooting. John was a horrible human being to Susan. She slept in the spare room NOT because John snored. They hated each other. Susan and Teddy had been having an affair for a long time and embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars from the law practice. They were gathering up money so they could finally, finally escape John.
@@kathrynhirschoh wow, i hadnt considered that he'd think it was John as the shooter. I did assume that the separate beds were due to marital issues, especially when Mike mentioned the affair. Dang, i will have to look more into it. Thanks for the info!
Even if Teddy thought Sutton was killing his wife, he should have called the police. As a lawyer, I don’t think he thought it was Sutton bc he would have had no legal ground to bust into their home with a gun even if he knew a shooting occurred. Busting into a home isn’t exactly standing your ground.
@@Garbeaux. nobody said anything about standing ground. The subject is instant reflex badassery. And Teddy had it in spades. :)
@@리선미-s5r a lot of people sleep in separate beds due to snoring. It's not uncommon.
No, you cannot let go. I was abused by my mother for years. Beating, starvation, humiliation. I wanted her dead. But, in stead, I left. It came down with severe depression for me, and I was so young and I am now 60 and I still battle this. I can still feel the fear as she turned the key to enter the house. Cause she would be triggered by anything and beat me. She looked at me like I was dirt, and I was never good enough, even though I was the best student and did cleaning and cooking, no play, just washing floors and lots more, so she could have her fun with her many men and not be bothered with anything. I was 18 when she stared telling me I was a failure. It was both mental and physical abuse. I hated her. I still do. But, I could have not lived with myself if I had killed her, witch I thought of many, many times. And, in that, I feel that I have won. But, day in day out living in fear, can create a monster. You just want it to stop and it does not. And it ruins you. For life. I feel no sympathy for these "parents". None.
Okay....Sorry for what you had went through...but the son in this video was a psychopathic, POS. Clearly.
I'm sorry your 'mom' was such a piece of shit. You deserved love, safety and a proper parent. :(
you are safe now. you left, you did that for your own sanity. that is a big acommplishment. give yourself credit for it. Seriously, it is a lot. you survived.
Chris was a sick lowlife.
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My cousin got sent there in the 90's and it was torture for him. He hasn't been ok since. So much abuse.
His son came back with hate and most likely PTSD... as well. Sad story for everyone involved.
Perhaps, but he had planned these murders prior to his "ordeal ". I think he had pushed his parents to the point of no return as well.
@@queezlemacnamara9801 They had options that would not have led to this ending.
@@queezlemacnamara9801 They has the money for better options than torture.
@@queezlemacnamara9801 If what I wrote as a surley teen was used against me I would be under the jail. His parents were monsters.
@@queezlemacnamara9801 Agree. There's no excuse for killing anyone, let alone your own parents. No matter what they'd done, killing is never an option. I'm saddened and surprised how many people in the comments excuses this hideous murderer.
I was sent off to a program in Utah similar and I was gotten in the middle of the night by people like this and it was terrifying. I can honestly say that I didn't have behavior problems, I didn't do drugs and my worst offense was skipping some school. From my experience, they can be helpful, but for most, it's traumatic and feels like you're being abandoned by your family and unable to contact anyone. I'm only halfway through the video and the clips of random people getting him out of bed are triggering flashbacks to my own experience and I'm not usually easily triggered. I've never had the same relationship with my parents and I don't trust them at all. Pretty much as soon as I came back home, I found the first place to live and got out. There were some positive things that came from the experience, but I'd definitely say that mostly I just got trust issues and damaged relationships.
You deserved better and I'm sorry you didn't get it.
I also went to a program in Utah in 2000 for about a year
I’m so sorry you went through that. I don’t gaf what has led the parents to make the decision, having your kid abducted from their bed is abuse.
I see you, survivor!
I definitely know what it's like to not be able to trust your parents. My mother once drove me sixty miles from home and left me. The vindictive vicious nature of that woman has ruined me more than once. Even if I run.
Let's not forget he wrote out a plot to murder his parents BEFORE he went to the camp. As horrible as the camp was, he was planning on murdering them for money before he even went.
@@joearnold6881 poetic justice, except he got caught instead of writing the story to be published post mortem by trusted friend as i dont think family was going to be around,,,,,,,,, hehehhe
Was it abuse or discipline? This guy was a menace to society
@@waldo2600 How about you go to that "camp" for 2 years as a "programee"... you can find out first-hand which it is and then let the rest of us know, m'kay, Waldo?! Just why, exactly, do you think dozens upon dozens of these "camps" have been investigated and shut down by the authorities??!! It's not for having campfires, roasting marshmallows and singing “Kumbaya”, is it?!
They tell teens to keep a journal to help process their thoughts, feelings and emotions. The typical "You need to learn to manage your anger...write it down, get it out. You can't process negative emotions if you bottle them up." kinda thing. Kids in a good environment, with loving, non-abusive/non-narcissistic parents DO NOT write things that describe wanting to kill them - so what was REALLY going on behind closed doors?! (Note: he didn't write about killing his sister, too - probably because she hadn't hurt him.) Vandalizing random things as a kid was a plea for attention from them. ANY attention. Just because a family has status and money, it doesn't automatically mean they aren't toxic and dysfunctional. (Just look at the Murdaugh's! )
So... they invaded his privacy, read his journal (ignoring what was obviously a cry for help) and flipped their wealthy, pretentious shit. If they had the money for boarding school then they had the money to get him a good shrink and professional counseling - but they didn't. They took an already troubled teen who was clearly struggling and instead of supporting and seeking professional help from an actual doctor for him, they just dismissed him & shipped him off (again) this time to a hellscape of a prison style boot camp - ironically dubbed "Paradise Cove"- run by thugs (for what amounted to a 2 year prison sentence even though he'd committed no crimes, save for some juvenile "vandalism" and putting pen to paper to express his deepest, darkest innermost thoughts) because they couldn't be bothered to deal with any of the issues directly. God forbid...that might lead to FAMILY counseling being required and they couldn't have THAT, now could they? Some of their own parenting issues might have light shed on them. (Narcissists hate light.) After all, they were prominent, popular, up-standing people in the community and folks might talk, ya know?! Best to just sweep it under the rug, amirite?! They quickly CHOSE to invest $$$ in that camp, but they didn't "invest" a lick of the time, effort, patience, care or love in their son who was SCREAMING for help. (To him, it was just further proof that he was unloved.)
They simply passed the buck, got rid of him, washed their hands and carried on like nothing ever happened. He needed help, but he sure as hell didn't belong there - he was a child! There are grown ass men who commit far worse crimes than "vandalism and journaling" who are sentenced to much less jail time by actual judges in criminal court. This kid didn't get a trial before his parents imposed their own sentence on him, arranged for him to be literally kidnapped in the middle of the night by so-called "professionals" and then they abandoned him there FOR 2 YEARS! In an unregulated, uncontrolled place notorious for starving, humiliating, physically and verbally abusing the "inmates" (often sexually, too). Hell, even prisons have regulations. Take a kid already on the edge, deny him emotional therapy/mental health services/medications and instead CHOOSE to just let jack-booted strangers brutally abuse him for 2 years with corporal punishment and manual labor in the middle of the ocean on an island... how do you think THAT made him feel? More negativity, more hurt, more anger, more pain, more resentment, more despair, more depression, tons more anxiety. What do you think that did to already shitty family dynamics? Let's be real - these camps have a "tough-love" motto, but they are notoriously abusive, causing more harm than help - and many of them have been shut down all across the US for these reasons. They certainly didn't deserve to be murdered, and he is exactly where he belongs NOW, but they also most certainly helped create the monster he became.
@@waldo2600 it's only discipline if the person receiving it is a straight white male. For anyone else it's abuse, & time to riot & burn a city to the ground.
Yes. I know all of these new rules are illogical, insane, & unjust, but maybe those forcing these new rules will die out soon after they get all of their kids sterilized as their latest trend dictates.
@@waldo2600 abuse…. It was abuse
How were they able to force him to stay after coming of age? That astounds me.
It’s America, everything is possible.
shit at 16 you can argue with the courts to be an adult yourself.
Look at Britney Spears. They did it to her. Plus this kids dad was a lawyer.
They send him to a prison as a child that has been know to rape and torture kids 😂 maybe try parenting 😂
@@Angels65-m8e but still, once 18 and an adult they have NO power over you if they dont interfere with your rights.
It's just amazing that Juliet knew Chris was planning something and said nothing. She could have saved two people if she had just spoken up.
Unfortunately it’s likely she thought it was just him venting and or she was afraid of what may happen if she did speak up
Suspicion is hardly ever confirmed until the act
I could Suspect a priest as virgin pedo for example - but it’s only a theory and doesn’t apply until whether or not it’s confirmed
She could have saved more. All the people directly involved have lost their lives in one form or another.
Guess who's getting the inheritance now 😎
@@franklinmt3680 not her, since she wasn't married to Chris.
The whole family came off as very dysfunctional and we probably don't know the half of it. Interesting that the other adopted child, the daughter, doesn't factor in at all.
Really, it’s too bad they sent him to that camp. There must be better ways to deal with struggling teens. In the video of Chris, where he’s crying to his parents after being there a year…So sad for that kid, and what he turned into as a result of the “treatment”
I know someone dealing with an adopted boy they've had since he was maybe 2 yrs old. Raised in a super kind & fortunate household. Had a very happy upbringing & the 2 sisters turned out great. Really good kids.
As he became a teen, he got into a lot of trouble & became very difficult to deal with & they tried everything & really treated him kindly & had so many very heart felt talks with him so he could lead a better life & better options. Unfortunately he kept taking advantage of freedom & ended up in more & more strict schools & programs due to violent outbursts.
It's a very difficult situation & I feel bad for both the parents & the kid but their efforts have been huge & out of absolute adoration for their adopted son & desire to see him do well.
He didn´t "turn into anything". He was plotting to kill his parents before he was sent away and even threatening his siblings.
I stumbled across one of your videos unintentionally as I scrolled for more true crime stories. After watching that first video of yours, I'm HOOKED! I appreciate your humor and especially your timing of that humor. You don't crack tasteless jokes or say anything out of line/offensive but your awesome quirks and quips make you stand above the rest in entertainment value! Thank you for being serious when needing to be and making it light when the time is right! Cheers!
This one really hit me hard. So much sadness and suffering all around
Definitely. Learning that his wife was having an affair was yet another layer of pain and suffering that John had to go through... just horrible
Ugh, this one made me sad. Chris was clearly a mess but therapy would have been a better idea than sending him off to be mistreated for years. Why people do what they do... I will never understand.
Were they Mormons or right wing fundamentalists? That's the sort of crap they do.
Therapy isn't the magic bullet people seem to think it is. It doesn't protect the victims of those who are not helped by it. In most cases, the kids who are finally sent to the camps have already been in therapy, with no results. The camps are the last resort of desperate families.
Because they either don't care enough to take the proper steps, or they think their personal methods will be better.
Edit: lots of parents way back when didn't know these camps were like this, but the fact they apparently didn't try something like therapy before sending him to what they could have reasonably understood was basically a boot camp... Idk, I kind of understand why he did it, and it *also* suggests what kind of parents they were leading up to that letter that was found.
He was a P O S, self centered,entitled lazy puke even before he was sent away to that camp. Getting a psychopath or sociopath to get anything from counseling or therapy is a waste. They are selfish manipulators who have zero empathy for others.
Bc they had already sent him to therapy for YEARS and literally tried EVERYTHING else. They were desperate. Therapy doesn't help everyone.
Holy cow! I'd not heard of this family. That is just sad on too many levels.
Yeah dateline has an in-depth episode of this case as well
Have you heard about me?
incredibly sad. And even more sad that the husband, having just lost his wife, had to find out that she was cheating on him!!!!
That's so fucked up. She was obviously not that great of a person : (
Yeah no, I refuse to feel bad for rich people.
Wife might have deserved it.
I actually was dragged, handcuffed and taken from my home when I was 17 for being a "troubled kid". They took me to Spring Creek Lodge in Montana. It's since been shut down.
Who's to blame? Next time, don't be a problem child.
@@DroneStrike1776 dont shame victims.
@@DroneStrike1776 i blame no one but myself, just stated a fact and nothing more. You read into it.
@@DroneStrike1776 YOU are the one who's a problem child.
If thats the one with an equestrian program, my buddy escaped from there on a horse at 16.
my parents threw me in a mental institution for a year when i was 13. the old school, padded walls with plenty of abuse kind. so I get his anger. even though I never forgave them for it, I did move on and let it go. I cared for my mother the last 5 years of her life with severe Alzheimer's in my home. She was completely disable by the end and she died here in my home with me. So, yeah, it's awful what they did to him, but no, it's no excuse for what he did. Selfish greed drove him to do that. he got what he deserved.
They should have gotten him therapy instead of sending him to rape camp.
Hi Mike, no worries. We are happy to have our new chapter today. 😘 Blessings and wishing a new year plenty of success ❤️
I always love when Mike graces us with his talent and storytelling skills ❤
Here in Australia, a lot of people I knew at school would go to a camp called boys town for troubled young men. Through the 60's all the way through to the 00's young men were raped regularly at this camp. There was a huge court case and nearly everyone who went there were paid out. A lot of them killed themselves and some of the stories from the old blokes that went there and received money (100k+) said that the money did absolutely nothing. The stories were HORRIFIC. Not surprised by this case at all.
Hit me up ☝️☝️
I have surprise for you..
I remember seeing ads for BoysTown when I was a kid (in the 90s) that’s crazy. I didn’t know why I stopped seeing it advertised
That is horrible. These camps are brutal gulags.
If the US State Department says not to send your children there they maybe don't send them.
Add to that the horror stories that are told about these camps, not to mention many of these camps are in different countries so the US has no authority to regulate or intervene.
The shooter was a drug dealer who he said was threatened by the son into committing murder.
His father, being a lawyer had gotten a judge to sign a court order to basically imprison him without a trial for a year?
These people didn't deserve to be killed but they were absolute pieces of trash who deserved to be in jail.
I'm kinda glad his wife was cheating on him. Both the parents were monsters who believed they were good parents.
They had boys town in America, when the lid was blown on it nothing happened because it turns out those doing the r*ping were politicians and FBl informants, so nothing happened to anyone, except the few dozen boys kidnapped and disappeared without a trace.
@@presterjohn9088 Sending children to boarding school is not good parenting. He didn't have a parent to help him grow and learn. The wife having an affair with the family friend-what trash. Sending him to an abusive disgusting place did nothing to improve their relationship and gave him the impetus to carry on with his fantasy of murdering them. They didn't deserve to die-but maybe brought up on charges for what they did.
Binging some TC while I work and what do you know, here's a fresh one hot off the presses! You're an excellent storyteller, Mike. Hope you had a great Christmas, and Happy New Year!
Check out True Crime Loser. Hes a fantastic storyteller as well. Just doesn't put together clips and what not. More a camera filmimg him while narrating. Good stuff. I believe he was behind the Jim Can't Swim TH-cam channel. The writer.
What kind of work can you do while watching these programs?
@@RealWallyGator Office stuff where you dont need to engage your entire brain lol
*Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Hey Baby Come To Butt-Head*
@@Butt--Head wicka wicka wahhhhhhhhhoooooohhhhh 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for this weeks video, Mike! It's better than getting last weeks video again! 😀
Haha apologies for that, seems the holidays has a way of messing the usual schedules
@@ThatChapter I was going to watch it again. Haha thought it was me.
@That Chapter No worries. We love ya, too.
That may have been your best storytelling yet. You've really honed your craft. I was surprised you did one over the holidays. I just like the way you tell a tale. Great job as always, excellent details.
I love to watch lots of crime stories, but there’s no one explain them better than you Mike you’re simply the Best❤
Watch the PARIS HILTON documentary and the interview where she talks about the abuse (sexual and physical and mental..) she had in one of these awful camps (WHY ARE THEY LEGAL??? Politicians hello????) her parents sent her too. I have a newly huge found respect for Paris since I saw all that. Her parents are just terrible. She suffered a lot and she is actively fighting to shut those abusing cult places down. This stories must be known!
🦋I’m guessing that after watching this video that an “ Eye for an Eye will only make you blind”?. Thank you again for your great investigation on this story Mike👏
Seeing his dad blinded like that was awful. I mean the whole case is tragic but that really got me.
I think blindness is a fair price for what he dropped his son into
he got less than what he deserves for doing to his son what he did!
@@abel633 agreed
@@abel633 He wanted to kill his parents for the inheritance even before they sent him away. In fact, isn't that the reason they sent him away?
@@abel633 what he went through in that prison camp was awful but that doesn't give anyone the right to shoot their parents, killing their mother and blinding their father? Am I taking crazy pills here and thinking that's not right?
The dad's speech at the end of the trial told me everything I need to know
Dad's speech was all about himself. Enough said.
@@alisong2328 OMG-- a worthless man. Immature.
He never loved his son. Unfortunately his son knew it.
Ikr the Mercedes and the momentos, smh 🙄
@@KimberlyBishhit wasn't his son after all, adoption is BS
I know the 911 operator was probably just going through the usual questions for the situation but I couldn't stop yelling "HE SAID HE CAN'T SEE!!" after every question he asked the dad.
Wow. That was a quick fix. Thank you, Mike! You are the consummate professional. Hope your holiday was a Merry one and may you have a wonderful New Years!
Honey, I found a troubling note in our son's room. He wrote that he wants to murder us for money. How should we address this? I know, let's send him away to be abused, that will surely make him loving & grateful.
One also has to ask what the parents had done to him beforehand to make him that way. I notice, it is a common belief among wealthy WASP parents whose children do something wrong to pretend that the kids just suddenly turned evil, like demonic possession or whatever. Of course, in reality, they know they were terrible parents, but other terrible parents, fearing the same problems, will support their denials of responsibility.
@@WangMingGe Often adopted children have experienced early childhood trauma (sometimes even exposure to drugs and alcohol in utero) before being removed from the biological home as they are generally removed because of longstanding abuse/neglect. This frequently leads to the child's inability to form attachments later in life, including with adoptive parents. A high percentage of adopted children have serious, prolonged adjustment difficulties throughout life.
Just tell him you don’t have any money ???😅
yeah if I found the note the punk kid would be sleeping with the florida gators
And-- it's not as annoying as him being underfoot and yammering about his therapy.
How hard was for dad to get that court order? Easy as saying thank ī to his friend the Judge. Abuse from the corrupt justice system.
Exactly.
Not much in this world can hold my attention for 27 minutes like Mike can.
So you fell asleep for the last 32 seconds?
Could you possibly imagine having to sit on that jury and watch/listen to that prosecutor the whole trial?
Was just thinking, wow, I'd look terrible on the stand... I'd get a temper answering all those repetitive questions like that 🤣
Sending your kid away to any type of “youth camp” is the worst thing a parent can do. It’s traumatic, it makes the kid angry, it changes them 100% for the worst. Never ends well.
Not all parents love their children.
@@WangMingGe facts. I don’t think an actual loving parent could do that to their kid. To me, and I may be wrong, it kinda seems like they adopted kids for the “appearance” of being a normal family. She slept in a separate bedroom….lots of things pointing to trouble in paradise.
They should have behaved themselves and they never would have been sent away. It's not difficult. Modt everyone else can behave well enough. You can only give jerks so many opportunities.
@@TroubledOnePaydirt Mike told you that she slept in a different room because her husband snored. Many people do this so you can keep loving your partner because you are well rested.
@@WangMingGe They sent him away because they did indeed love him. That psychopath couldn't be saved. What a pos.
Sent their son away for 2 years. How is that legal!?
Hey you , I have been watching your channel forever. I have a chronic illness and spend a lot of time hiding in my dark bedroom in pain , lots of the time with your videos playing . Your humor and storytelling really distracts me . And I love your damn accent. Thank you dude. You have no idea what you do for me. Love from WI.
As a fellow chronic pain sufferer up in WA state, I just want to say hi, and keep hanging in there!
Get a job
@@r.m.5548 based lol
@@r.m.5548rude
Multiple Sclerosis and Crohns... I feel ya!!
Happy New Year again Mike! Once again, Mr.Ballen AND That Chapter all at once? We're not worthy!
Ballen sucks
@@johnsoens5185 Your account isn't even a year old, Is this your trolling account for when you open your gash and spew nonsense, you have somewhere else to run? If not and go back to the kiddies table, the adults are talking.
For sure. Can't help to love them both. ♥️
@@johnsoens5185 Well, you weren't the first and you won't be the last so really, you're nothing... Other than welcome that is.
I thought I was going mad for a second as I could have sworn I'd already seen the video, so glad I wasn't losing it.
No problem Mike, we all make mistakes at times, although in this case it was a good mistake as it gave me a good excuse to rewatch the weaver family episode.
Likewise lol
I LOVE your Irish humor. Dry, witty, funny, with a smidge of sarcasm. Not as bleak as the
Nordics, and not as slapstick, easy targets, as the Brits.
Hey Mike, I just saw this and thought it would make a great story for you to tell:Marianne Bachmeier (3 June 1950 - 17 September 1996) became famous in Germany after she shot and killed the murderer of her daughter in an act of vigilantism in the hall of the District Court of Lübeck in 1981.
Sounds better than that Russian guy who went to Switzerland and killed that air-traffic controller who mistakenly cleared the plane full of children that collided w/the other plane and killed his wife and daughter. It was so sad because the air-traffic controller was suffering so much, and it wasn't just his fault; the plane's computer was telling the Russian pilot there was another plane there, conflicting w/the air-traffic controller, but the pilot accepted the air-traffic controller's word, assuming the computer was having a glitch. The pilot could have trusted his equipment, or the air-traffic control company could have had more staff.
@@quickchris10 they both sound like a story that needs to be told
@@quickchris10 wasn’t that in breaking bad?
@@shadominx3696 IDK if they referenced it in "Breaking Bad." Vitaly Konstantinovich Kaloyev is the convicted Russian murderer. But if there aren't enough TH sounds for presenter Mike to mispronounced, he won't produce an episode on that story.
"No education or steady work, a criminal record and a baby."
That's like the Florida starter kit.
😂😂😂
🤣😂🤣
The Boebert trailer park standard
It works for Ohio too
@@KimberlyBishh probably Baltimore too😆
I’ve known about these camps for several years, weirdly the place that first taught me about them was a Cracked article. I’ve always found them HORRIFYING. I have some students I teach who need some serious intervention and direct, blunt help. But the idea of putting even my worst students through such a horrific experience is so grotesque to me- kids that troubled need therapy, possibly medication, maybe an actual non-camp non-kidnap alternative school, and in some cases better parents and support systems.
Get off the cake.
Exactly. I was a mental health nurse who worked with adolescents; they need help, love and understanding not this medieval torture. They also need psychotherapy and medication as required, a diagnosis if possible and the evolvement of the family as long as they're willing to engage. Though, sometimes there are irreconcilable difference in the family. In any case, a holistic approach is required with the adolescent front and center of their care.
There was a reality show of a camp like this some years ago.
Troubled kids don’t need medication you sick freaks, that’s so incredibly more twisted than sending them off to a prison school for years. At least you aren’t drugging a developing child. You people are so weird, how much psychobabble and expert opinion does it take for you people to put children on hard-core psychoactive medication. I swear you people would do the most gruesome medical things if it came with a “diagnosis” attached… oh that’s right you already do!
the only reason I wasn't sent away was because my parents couldn't afford the $1500. 1st time I was glad my parents weren't rich
Okay, so I was looking into Paradise Cove, where Chris Sutton (the son) was sent for two years. That place was worse than prison. I'm not surprised that it made an already troubled kid snap. It doesn't excuse what happened, but I'm not surprised. Some notably common occurrences:
- Children were reportedly subject to miserable conditions, denied proper food and medical care and systematically tortured, assaulted and sexually abused.
- The food was not nutritious or balanced, and there was frequent reports of food poisoning due to it being spoiled, cooked improperly, or otherwise tainted. This contributed to significant weight loss in the teens subjected to the program, with one testimony I found saying they lost 60 pounds in the first two months and 120 pounds total.
- The boys had to ask permission to use the bathroom and, until reaching a certain level of the program, could only shower or use the bathroom with a staff member watching them (although at least the teens were required to shower in a pair of shorts).
- Being put in "the box" for DAYS. The box was a tiny wooden isolation room that barely fit a single chair in it. That chair was not always used. There were multiple reports of children being stripped down to their boxers and hogtied inside, with handcuffs and/or duct tape, and being left alone for multiple consecutive days. If they were deemed to be too "noisy", such as asking for water, their mouth would also be duct taped shut. While restrained, they were also physically assaulted by staff. This was a punishment for Category 3/4/5 offenses, with each step up in categories adding a day. A common Cat 3 offense was failing to complete a physical exercise task, even if you actually tried your best. According to a witness, "they were given water twice a day, allowed to use the bathroom once, and fed once or twice. The meals were a glass of water and a bowl of white rice, which were left out so that the water would warm and the rice would cool to room temperature. The iso box got very hot because of being enclosed with no windows and having a tin roof. Boys often came out covered in scabies and fungal rashes".
- Nearly everyone in the program had scabies, ringworm, lice, boils, etc. due to the unsanitary living conditions. Cuts would almost immediately become infected, either from the unsanitary surroundings or the copious amount of flies and cockroaches, and also being refused anti-bacterial soap unless it was sent from home. Apparently "fungal rashes and scabies were treated by applying an acidic solution to the affected region (generally your …groin) to literally burn the affected skin off. "
- There were no doctors with an hour of the camp and it is highly unlikely that any of the supposed nurses or staff were in any way certified.
-The teens are expected to teach themselves all of their academic coursework, with tutors supposedly present for questions. There are no licensed teachers present. When returning to America, there were frequently problems in acquiring credit for courses completed while in the program due to their questionable accreditation.
- There are no licensed therapists present anywhere either, which seems like it would be crucial in such a harsh "rehabilitative process". There is, however, a licensed psychiatrist that visited every six weeks and provided medication, often times without even talking to the teen in question and going off of paperwork alone.
- The likely reason that Chris Sutton was so well behaved upon returning from the program was probably due to his extreme fear of being sent back to it. After all, his parents were somehow able to keep him there after he turned 18. The program allows parents to send their children back if they start to slip up again, and being sent back earned you even harsher treatment. Which is terrifying to think about when you consider the baseline treatment was already horrific.
- One past participant said that even almost a decade after leaving, he still has nightmares, and not really of his time there, but of being somehow sent back. A friend of his that he made at the camp, Corey Murphy, was told by his mother that he was being sent back. Corey had been sent to the camp while in middle school and was confined there and a related camp in Montana for 32 months. His response to the threat of going back was to grab a gun and shoot himself in front of his mother.
There's a lot more, but I can't read this anymore. Those camps are vile, evil places and the parents who send their kids there deserve prison sentences. It's horrific.
Okay but Chris was talking about killing his before he even went, the stuff he was doing was out of control. You going just for weed is crazy if it was all you were doing, but this kid was a ticking time bomb! There’s been more adoption that went bad where the kid tries/does kill their adoptive parents. So many cases where the adoptive parents were not told that the child their adopting have one or both biological parents with severe mental health issues.
@@bambilackner Yeah, it seems like it exacerbated it at most. Some kids are just rotten and parents can't deal with them though these places don't seem particularly effective.
He wrote out a plot to murder his parents BEFORE he went to the camp. As horrible as the camp was, he was planning on murdering them for money before he even went.
@@bambilackner Yeah, and he likely would've needed ACTUAL THERAPY AND MEDICATION. Not the equivalent of fucking Nazi Torture Camp.
Oh my.
Beyond belief the parents weren't in prison for paying for the torture of a citizen in ANY SOCIETY.
Come on at seventeen, and the parents THOUGHT sending him there was going to get him to LOVE AND RESPECT THEM.
The parents were some twisted citizens, making a murderer from their calloused neglect!
Boarding schools are oooooh nasty institutions making for a money worshipping artificial intelligence Being.
They, his adopted parents, belonged in prison for their 'care' in raising a child. And sending a child to ANY BOARDING SCHOOL equals a break in the MOST BASE relationship of life- a parent's LOVE BOND!
Thanks for pointing out the neglected details of this story.
May your soul find peace 🕊️.
A few years ago I had looked into some of those boot camp and youth groups for troubled youths. My 17 yr old son had a bad attitude, especially towards his younger brother, my youngest son. When they were 5 & 6, they had gotten along really good, but when we had to move to the city because my husband had been on a roll and eject car accident and had to have emergency heart surgery, I felt we needed to live closer to a hospital, just incase anything went wrong plus my husband needed physical therapy he was wheel chair bound for almost 2 yrs. I became his legal Caregiver.. My oldest of the two became aggressive towards his little brother, and he wouldn't tell me why, ever. He also had a defiant attitude towards me. I watched some videos that were about those troubled kid places, and all I saw was abuse and neglect. I decided I would never send my child to one of those. To this day he's 17, and a well behaved kid. He gets along so much better with his little brother, thankfully. Those places are horrible, I have never seen one that I thought would be good. Who knows if I had sent my son to one of those places, how he would be like today. This guy Chris is a good example why not to send your kid to any of those places. Heartbreaking story.
Edit: My beautiful husband passed away from AML (Leukemia) in 2020, it was real hard on my kids and I. We are excepting the fact that dad's not coming home. We went thru a lot if anxiety, thinking dad's coming home from work, but we knew he wasn't. My heart hurts so much for my kids, I'm tearing up now writing this, my kids and I are there for each other always. They are so loving and thoughtful, just like there dad.
RIP J. Coronado 💖
Glad to hear about a positive outcome, thank you.
Thank you for making the right decision. ❤ I survived one of these and I will never forgive my parents for leaving me there to forget about me
thank you for doing the right thing for your son and thinking of his wellbeing, so many parents don't when it comes to those kind of institutions. They just want the kids out of the picture
good comment. Your tenderness toward your son, though you were not pleased with his aggressiveness, is what carried him through! Children need parents that will bear with them. teaching their children how to go through these difficult times and continue to love them.. NOT throw them to strangers to be the substitute parents!!
I pray to God that your children will continue in righteousness, loving the truth and that your husband is doing well! In Jesus' name. Happy New Year.
Chris was sent there After mom found a letter he wrote about killing them. He would have done it either way. But I completely agree with these so-called camps being abusive. I sent my daughter to a rehab/therapeutic school several states away for 9 months as she fell into drugs unbeknownst to me. Visited several times. It worked out very well for her and she’s a grateful adult now. I do think it was the exception to norm though.
Thanks for rectifying the mistake! Love ya bro! Hope for bigger and better from you next year and can't wait for your firther projects. I'm gonna give it a goo
Thanks for being here! And I'm very excited for the holidays to end so I can get back to normal haha
@@ThatChapter need info on the new project asap!?! Always follow you man, unique blend of humour and storytelling
Hearing the 911 operator Always grinds my gears with the questions they ask.. he can’t see so the operator ask where is the wife…he said he can’t see 🙄
They're most likely trying to keep him talking so they know he's still alive. Paramedics too will always try to keep you talking while they're treating you after a serious injury.
The child that is spurned by a village will burn it down to feel it’s warmth
Chris was planning on burning down the village before he was spurned.
His father's testimony after the verdict was heartbreaking.
In this case John reaped what he sowed. He was always an asshole to everyone in the family, especially to Chris.
@@kathrynhirsch agreed an eye for an eye if you will
the only thing heart breaking is seeing this "father" go free.
@@peterkoller3761 You don't think he's been punished enough? Some fates are worse than death, and I'd argue he's living one right now.
Dad was a prick. He's lucky all that happened is he lost his eyesight. He tortured that kid.
I can't imagine sending a kid to one of those camps, but I also can't imagine having an out of control teenager that is plotting to murder me.
Yeah. A lot of people here having sympathy for Chris seem to be ignoring that he was planning to kill them for money.
I’m not sure what they could have done, or if they actually thought this would help Chris.
I can’t imagine what it would be like to discover your child wants to kill you.
agreed. I would be pissed. I would send my kid if I had one to camp like that. Why should I even care they chose to behave like criminals
0:16 - I caught that reference to The Hu, a remarkable Mongolian metal band.
The ‘Who’
@@terribongers2465 No. The Hu!!!!
I'm watching this for a second time and then sending him away is still heartbreaking!!!
Yes, and he had that break when he came home and they were all happy but they sent him back.
No need to apologize! So grateful for all you do! Spank you very much!💝
Unless you had a really abusive childhood, you probably can't wrap your head around having deep hatred for your parents. My mother was pure evil my entire childhood. She should be in prison for the rest of her life for my childhood. Here's a pro tip for parents: don't abuse your kids and the probability of them wanting you dead will drastically decrease.
Absolutely this!
Did you kill your mother? One crime, does not justify other
are you saying Chris was abused and acted appropriately?
My mom is evil always has been didnt kill her and i dont hate her i just dont deal with her. No excuse for this
I know exactly where you are coming from. I resent my parents especially my mother even though they've been dead for years. The only way I'm going to free of my trauma is when I die.
We love you, thanks for all that you do! Bless you in the coming new year
Thankyou happy holidays
Paris Hilton was even sent to one of those places in her teens by her parents, in Utah.
Awful to read in the comments just how many people were sent to them by their parents. Unforgivable.
Maybe if they weren't so problematic, then they wouldn't have been sent there. You people only see what you want to see. This kid wrote about wanting to kill his parents, so they tried to help him. He was no saint. This is the problem with you snowflakes, you never accept accountabilities.
It didn’t work in her case. Probably where she met Richies kid
@@DroneStrike1776 Thank you for showing there is some common sense left in the world!
It's a shame that on top of everything that went down, John had to find out that his wife had been having a secret affair with family-friend/colleague, Teddy, with whom she had been talking to on the phone in the other bedroom on the night of her birthday when she was shot.
I dunno, I think that's karma for terrorising his kids and turning one into a psychopath with shitty parenting....
I didn't even think about that! Jesus!
3:42? That Teddy? 😱
No more boom boom for this Mana San
It is a terrible thing. I don’t mean to be judgmental but I can tell he’s super arrogant and probably a narcissist by how he used his victim statement he made sure to let everyone know what kind of Mercedes he drives.
Back in my teen years in 1970s, my parents threatened to send me to "reform school" which were horrible places
What was done to Chris were humiliation techniques for behavior modification. These techniques, which are severe, have been outlawed here in the USA. They had been in use for decades at various rehabs. One of them, which was the worst offender, was a two syllable word starting with TOP.... I can't recall it at the moment. In 2005, I was almost sent to one of those places. Fortunately, I ended up at a sane rehab where i found my sobriety. Anyway, God knows if the techniques, being outlawed, have really disappeared, but in Chris' case they were used to the max on a rock in the middle of the Pacific where there were no mediators. They will instill hatred in a person's heart and mind. They DO NOT work as effective drug or behavior rehabilitation, unless your aim is to create a violent sociopath, then maybe they might work. I don't condone the murders, but I can understand why they occurred.
Very well said.
I mean didn't they send him to the camp because he was already having thoughts about killing his parents for their money? Sounds like he was already a lost cause.
@@Jay-sg2koFunny thing how the adopted daughter never testified against him or at least she didn't make an appearance in this video. The fact Chris felt comfortable enough around her to say things like he did makes me think maybe she might have felt similar too. The mother and father made it a point to send him a way at the age of 17 but the supposed note had been found when he was 16 hmm kinda suspicious. They somehow got a judge to sign off on allowing a prison camp violate Chris's rights by holding him prisoner for a year more into his adulthood. Maybe just maybe these parents simply wanted to make sure Chris wasn't going to tell their secret
@@Justatackit Yeah. It seems the parents weren't angels either.
@@BruceGobbles plenty of people are a lost cause.. some people are psychopathic and not meant to co-exist with the rest of society.. take jeffrey dahmer for instance
This is a truly a sad story . There are people who went to camps like that have been institutionalized . If you spend enough time in lockdown during your teenage years it becomes a pattern . Rich parents think they are doing the right thing , but it never works out well . They have extremely traumatized children who hate them . They also keep on going back to prison . The middle class sends their problem child to military school and the upper class sends them to prison camps . I’ve known people who were sent to Provo in Utah . They were completely traumatized . One of the people I know got taken out bc his parents realized they made a horrible mistake . They got their son the help he needed .
I love watching you when I'm at home and listening to you whilst im out. I love your story telling ability. I hope you still intend sticking around for a long while yet. Here's to many more 🍻
Them kid camps aren't no joke and as a victim myself I can see why he did what he did to his parents who forsaken him as a child when we need protected the most
Maybe if you weren't such a problem child, you wouldn't have been there. Pick your poison, a camp or prison? You want to do 2 years at a camp and clean up your act, or a long prison sentence. You're to blame, not your parents. By the looks of your DP, you're still seem like a nuisance to society.
Love the little bits of your sense of humor and personality that come thru in your videos, never in a disrespectful way either, always well balanced and reverent.
Takes good character to pull that off. 🙏 Thanks for the great videos you're appreciated!
Sometimes it is pretty disrespectful tbh, that's why I took a break from watching him for a few months. I'm back checking up to see if he's gotten any better
@@johnsoens5185 why do you come here since you clearly don't like him or his style? There are plenty of channels for miserable overly sensitive people. Go on now... They've got a hug and tissues for you too.
That prosecutor that looks like a mean nun or evil nanny knows how to tell a story. She really set the scene
Ooooh, I Luuuuuwed that Nanny!!!! She IS some of a performer... 🙃🤒🔥
And how she said Sut-ton instead of sutten and kept saying it until the defendant finally said sutton and then she started saying it right
I was raised Catholic in Catholic schools and never once did that cross my mind. Talk about stereotyping people. I have nothing but gratitude for all of them. May God bless our fearless Clergy and Religious. 🙏🙏🙏
@@sweetcaroline2060 well, apparently you’re one of the very few who’s had such a good experience. It’s usually the farthest thing from it. My mother was raised Catholic and went to all Catholic schools and had horrible experiences in every one of them. So did my uncles. And everyone else I know. Thank god I was never made to go to any and went to public school.
Yes ! I really enjoyed her story telling skills too ! 👍
I live in Utah which is kind of the hotbed of those youth reform camps, they are often called "residential treatment center" but they are all based on the same foundation and most of them just breed abuse.
About 15 years ago I worked as a night watchman/janitor at one that was just starting and I didn't see anything abusive in the 6 months I worked there, but looking back at it I can see how easily it could go that direction. The place I worked wasn't was all male and wasn't intended for boys with violence or criminal problems, more for rich kids with entitlement and behavioral issues so it was a lot softer than some of the other facilities but even still it would've be so easy for abuse to happen and be hidden in that place. There were 12 boys, 1 therapist who was only there 40 hours a week, 1 "teacher" who was just a random mom whose only qualification was that she lived next door to the guy who started the place, she just had to pass an online course to get certified to pass out the packets and watch over the kids during "school", and 1 activities director who had some training in the field, other than that everyone who worked there was just like college students or high school grads just working any job they could find. Some of us were only a year or 2 older than the kids (employees were both male and female).
My biggest takeaway from working in that place was just how depressing it had to be for the kids who get forced into those places. Especially the kids who aren't like violent criminal types but are just acting out to get their parents' attention and are just the product of their environment. There is no way that wouldn't feel like the biggest betrayal and like your parents just didn't want you/gave up on you. And that's in the best case scenario when you go to a nice place where there isn't abuse.
I went to a place like this it could have even been the one you worked at, and it actually changed my life for the better. I learned a lot, and while deeply uncomfortable and hard I really cherish the lessons i got from it. Obviously it wasn't perfect lol
@milkeyedmouse it was called Sundance canyon academy and I was literally there when it 1st opened.
I don't doubt that some of these programs can work for some people, and I'm glad to hear that yours worked for you.
And all of them are corporate owned. In their heyday, they were quite the money makers.
It's so heartbreaking to have a nice time with your family and have your life be irreversibly ruined forever in a blink of an eye...
Is that lady D.A writing a friggin book with that opening speech 🤣🤣
This is such a difficult case. The adoption industry is abusive in itself and isn't child focused, causing so much trauma. No excuse though, none, tragedy all around. A choice was made where money was valued more than lives, sad.
I agree. As an adoptee, the province I was born in still has closed adoption records. I cannot even find out any medical history from my family.
That's amazing he survived and is still an attorney. Sad this happened
I'm sad he is still alive. What a monster parent
Hearing the 911 call was heartbreaking. Such a sad case but I’m happy to know that John is still living a full life.
He created this situation and let his blindness be a remainder for the rest of his life.
@@incremental_failure "Reminder?" I agree.
Dad should be in jail too
Love your witty sense of humor, Mike. You really are a great storyteller.
Hey Mike, you really need an inheritance dance.
Maybe a hula.
Seconded
True eh
Hi, Mike. Great storytelling. I feel sorry for everyone involved. It's too bad the son couldn't get actual accredited help from psychologists and such. The tragedy could have been avoided.
He could have got help. The parents were rich. But they didn't love him; they had him kidnapped and sent to torture and abuse. As another commenter has said, they reaped what they sowed.
I hope you had a lovely holiday Mike. Thank you for another interesting video.
what they put their kid through was absolutely vile and forcing him to stay even after 18 is inexcusable. Having your parents killed/injured is not, however, the way to deal with the massive trauma he no doubt endured because of their choices. Unfortunately he made a terrible choice instead of seeking help to deal with the repercussions from his time in that camp. i sincerely wish parents understood that there are always options to help their kids that don't involve abuse, violence, or abandonment.
He planned, on paper and with his siblings knowledge, to murder. His “second chance” parents, who didn’t CA or SA him or DV him……..just for their money……nope either boot camp or jail. Personally I’d have had him arrested.
Ungrateful little Sh🤬
Looking through the comments, I see a lot of people accusing the parents of being abusive and how they understand how the son could harbor hatred and do what he did. No. There is absolutely no substantive evidence that they were abusive. He had written the letter stating he wanted to kill his parents for money before he was sent away to the camp. They had tried traditional boarding schools and other avenues such as therapy before that too. He was a spoiled little narcissistic twat-waffle and ingrate. Some of us were actually abused as children...some of us severely...and I, along with many others, never wanted to off our parents for money. How some children might harbor intense resentment and want revenge for legitimate and horrible abuse is understandable...but this isn't the case here. Stop justifying the evil actions of a greedy little narcissistic twat-waffle like this kid was.
@@louise2467Kids- whether or not they are adopted- have no obligation to be grateful.
Also, it doesn’t have to be physical to be abuse.
This is such a heartbreaking story, on so many levels...🙄😓😭😭❤️
All too often parents abdicate their roles as teachers, providers and disciplinarians. its ridiculous. I was single mom and I would NEVER send my sons away from their home. Period. I always knew it was on me to raise decent men.
It was, and why send them away? Unless they're violent I suppose. I'd never send a troubled child away either because you have to find a way to prove to them that they're loved. How else will they ever calm down?
My beautiful friend was stuck in a horrible camp by her step father. They are all awful and just babysitters. She checked herself out at 18 & never spoke to them again. I feel bad for the kid. A different country facility is way out of line. Mom & her affair….WTF🙈
See, I can't feel bad for Chris because he was already fantasizing about killing his parents when they sent him to the facility. For all the people saying the parents deserved it for sending him there, or that they should have done it differently, _no one_ has suggestions for what they should've done. And the truth is, that's because when you have a dangerous teenager in your house, there's almost nothing a parent can do to keep the rest of the family safe _but_ send them to one of these facilities. Traditional treatment centers won't take them, and neither will juvenile detention.
Not really sure what the mom's affair has to do with the case. If she hadn't been on the phone with him at the time of the shooting, no one would ever have known.
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 I think there's plenty of things one can do. Actually talk to the kid? Send him to a therapist? Just anything, open a line of communication. I drew and wrote fucked up things when I was a teen, a lot of teens do when sorting through dark emotions. Sending them to these places is not the answer
@@furiscafynn6275 Did you learn what I learned? NEVER write down how you really feel lol. I used to vent and write all sorts of crap in my diary, I didn't mean a word of it, it was just teenage frustration. My mother used to suffer so from reading it. If she's just TALKED TO ME, she would have known the real truth, but she snuck around thinking she was getting the real facts. Her mistake. Talk to your kids people, and respect their privacy, or learn the hard way.
@@themudpit621 Your mother reading your diary was a massive violation of privacy. I wrote down lots of stuff in my diary and my parents respected my privacy, so I was able to vent. They aren't perfect, but man do I value how much better they are than so many others. I'm sorry you couldn't have that.
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 "No one has suggestions for what should be done", likely because most parents and people out there watching this, don't think it should be so difficult for parents to stop sending their kids away, and start dealing with their familial problems face on. Talk to your kids, send them to therapy, get community support, seek mentors for your kids. Sending a child away never solves anything, unless they're so violent they're beyond standard help.
I can feel badly for Chris as a kid for what he went through, while still condemning his actions. Many people suffer, but don't kill.
Besides the fact that their kid wanted to kill them for the inheritance... which is bad, people... I don't really think the parents realized or believed the horrible living conditions their son was in in those institutions. Remember those were the days without internet and social media. Information was not available in abundance as nowadays. But a very disturbing case indeed.
He was already plotting to kill them. I don´t blame them for wanting to send him away, it was clearly for their own safety!
Yay, Yay, and Yay!! Your almost up to 2 million subscribers!! I tell people about your channel all the time. I'm so proud of you Mike. It's been a wonderful experience watching your channel grow, and continue with such great narration, and stories that always keep me glued! When I see your video come up on my Recommended List, I jump right on it! Thank you Soooo much for all of your hard work, and not using the stupid idiotic filters other people use that run over the top of the video. You transition very well from one part of the story to the other as smooth as silk!! EXCELLENT! I love the 'Life Insurance" and "vacation" cutaways. Hilarious.
Same here! Whenever there's a comment on some of my other choice channels about recommendations,I ALWAYS put forth Mikey!
I understand his anger for being sent away like that, that’s honestly so cruel and who knows what was done to him, I’ve seen nothing but bad things come from kids being sent to those places, the kids come out not better but much much worst… all that being said: there’s no excuse for hiring someone to kill his parents. He took it too far. He should have gone to therapy.
I'm curious... do you think he knew that he was given up (adopted) when he was 2 days old... I'm wondering, does a person know when they aren't biological and IDK, just thinking out loud, that they resent the woman who gave him up?
I'm sure he knew he was adopted, but it seems like he was a very defiant teenager and due to him writing about wanting to murder his parents, they did what they thought was best for him. I'm not sure if the parents were abusive (Hell, with two high achieving parents, I can see how expectations could be too much), but that is never an excuse for murder. Hell, I'm pretty sure 99% of people have dealt with some form of abuse or trauma growing up, but to plot homicide? I guess some people are just born with that mindset.
He should have cut contact to his parents and build his own life but he wanted their sweet money.
@@jenerin905 Nothing excuses what he did but honestly his parents seemed pretty shitty. His mom was having an affair and really any parents who send their kids to those kinds of places are garbage parents. Those places are fucked and it's evil as hell to do that to your own kid. Be a real parent and get your kid help while still being hands on you don’t just ship him off to an abusive cult camp. Still though he's a piece of shit for having someone murder them but overall this family seems pretty dysfunctional.
Chris is of course very wrong for what he did and glad he was punished. That being said, neither of the parents are angels either. When your child has problems, you get them therapy or at least send them to a respectable camp in the States, not some horrible place with bad reviews far away for 2 years. The father seemed to never really accept Chris as his own son and the mom was no better with her cheating ways.
Soon as you said she slept in another room and had been on the phone, but blaming John's snoring DING DING DING...
No one deserves to die or be blinded, however he never should have been sent to that awful place, it does things to kids, makes them crazy.
Thanks Mike, you are so great to watch and listen to, you are my very fav. person ! YOU ROCK !!
Ok like. The 911 dispatcher. I know he needs to glean as much information as possible but when someone says, "I was shot in the head," I think it might go without saying that they are bleeding lol
I think he was just trying to confirm that he was indeed, shot in the head.
Not everyday someone gets shot in the face, and manages to calmly call 911
I'm sure EMTs were already dispatched. He's trained to keep the person on the line to get as much info as possible.
Not to mention the guy said he couldn’t see and the dispatcher kept asking him what he could see
As ridiculous as the question may be the they are only trying to keep the person on the line for as long as possible.
The calls are recorded too. He also needed to confirm how lucid the victim was, as well, in order to get as much information to emergency dispatch as possible