I’ve recently picked up the GLx 2X by Primary Arms on my M16A2 rifle clone. And the Prism reticle is clean and crisp. A little better than my Aimpoint PRO
Bruh I’m also running a Arken EP8 with a holosun offset. But I’m running the SCRS on a piggyback riser. I’d say it’s one of the best all around setups.
@@jasonbrody8724 For a quick transition. Yes it takes training. You have to see a target, quickly access distance, decide which optic, put head in position for that sight pic, then fire. But what do I know…
@@JARG lol “tying your shoes is so difficult! First you have to find them then you have to figure out which one is left and right, put them on…..” Listen I’m not saying it doesn’t take training but saying years is either hyperbole or ignorance.
I slightly disagree with some of this I’ll start by saying I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a red dot and magnifier, and frankly it all depends on what you’re anticipated/intended use is for the rifle. If you’re imagining it as a combat rifle, like for a infantryman/minute man I believe the LPVO is way better Now I’m gonna go on a rant here about why I believe LPVO is by far the best optic for a general purpose rifle 1) LPVO’s have way more forgiving eye relief than magnifiers. Way harder to get improper eye distance and see scope shadow. Faster target acquisition 2) more magnification than magnifiers usually provide 3) Bullet drop compensator helps aiming at distance a ton. Usually won’t get that with a RD/magnifier set up 4) red dot magnifier combos are usually close to the same weight as an LPVO so you aren’t saving much anyways 5) no snag hazard or extra optic with an LPVO 6) there are cheap and affordable quality LPVOs now. You don’t have to break the bank. I have a primary arms SLX and it’s phenomenal. The Sig one is supposed to be great too. Those are 400 dollar scopes. Throw in an extra couple hundred and you can get an eotech Vudu so it’s not like were breaking the bank to get a good one anymore Now let me just say i don’t think there’s anything wrong with red dot magnifier and for some intended uses it may be superior, I even might build a rifle with that optic set up. Just speaking on why I lean towards LPVOs I would say in conclusion, as a general rule, this doesn’t always apply but just as a very general rule: 12.5 and under: red dot or red dot and magnifier 13-20: LPVO Doesn’t apply to everyone I’m sure there are reasons to put one on the other it all depends on your use case just that as a general rule For context I’m looking at this from the perspective of an infantryman where im imaging that I could be in an infinite number of scenarios and I want something that I can never go wrong with. I feel that the LPVO gives me the most wide range of functionality I can’t imagine a situation where I wouldn’t be capable with one
@@backlashstudios6088 I am also from Infantry. Like I said the guy making this is untrained and wants a Gen purpose rifle. Which is in the title. He ain’t no 11 series like we were
@ got it, ya that makes a lot of sense man. I can definitely see how a red dot magnifier is great bang for your buck, easy to use, and force multiplier for that guy. All valid points man 🫡
@@Username4453 the higher the magnification the tighter the eye box and the less light allowed in. It makes the image degraded and take longer to acquire and fuzzy
I couldn't disagree more. First, I have astigmatism, as does over 1 in 3 Americans aged 20 years or older. Secondly, on a conceptual basis, the purpose of a rifle, generally, it to project kinetic energy at range with precision. We don't need a lot of magnification to see incredible increases in capability to identify and engage threats at any range. But we do need some. Third, magnifiers on red dots are wonky as hell. Almost none of them provide useful reticles, and most of them are on mounts that allow the whole optic to move. Minimizing moving parts is imperative to increasing durability and simplicity, so it is hard for those of us who understand how this stuff works to take seriously any setup that turns the entire optic into a moving part. Real shooters do their best to make the optic as permanent and static as feasible. Compared to a red dot with a magnifier, a prism with a piggybacking red dot is simpler and more durable, likely lighter in weight, and has a useful reticle that efficiently conveys information to the shooter, allowing them to identify, range, and engage threats with greater speed and accuracy at any range. Having deployed, several times, with an A4 or SAW equipped with an RCO, you'll never convince me a red dot is a better option. I've seen the RCO work nothing short of miracles with pizza boxes that unked twice and barely passed with iron sights. It's basically a cheat code. A Marine with an RCO is almost a walking war crime. Etched reticle, battery free illumination, math free range estimation, and intuitive bullet drop compensation, in a literally bombproof package that doesn't flop from side to side...every single red dot and magnifier swtup is a joke by comparison. The capabilities of an ACOG with a RMR makes a red dot and magnifier look and feel like a toy. If you have a handgun, PCC, or SMG set up exclusively for breaching and clearing elevators or doing your CQB stuff, sure, a red dot has distinct advantages over iron sights. But as soon as you're talking general purpose to include any range or circumstance that may require magnification, a red dot is the worst possible option.
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 appreciate the long winded opinion. While I have also deployed multiple times, this is not Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc. Home defense is short range, urban is short range, wooded environment is short range, etc. Like I said the piggyback is fine for me or you but we have training. The person making this rifle is new and needs a standard sight picture without a complex reticle. He will not be shooting past 300. So feel free to disagree and make a video about it.
@JARG Magnification comes in handy at short range as well. I know the 300 meter stadia on my TA11J aligns with my 25 meter point of impact as well, so instead of just hanging out in space and guessing to accommodate for height over bore at close range, I have reference points that allow far greater precision. This combined with 3.5x magnification allows me to see branches, foliage, and other obstacles in a wooded or urban environment, and to place rounds with greater confidence than can be achieved with a red dot and magnifier, at all ranges. If someone lacks the cognitive function to use a reticle that conveys useful information, they probably aren't very useful in a gunfight. You have to be able to think and process information under duress. If you can't, you're a liability. If anything more complicated than a red dot is too complex for you, then you are probably a danger to yourself and others. By the time you get close enough for 3 to 4x magnification to be a hindrance, a piggybacking or offset RMR is a near perfect option. The point is that we are specifying a general purpose rifle here. A designated defensive carbine is not a GPR. A general purpose rifle may be tasked with defensive duty inside the home, but may also be tasked with other duties, and its optics should reflect that potential to address a broader spectrum of threats under all conditions.
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 people are always talking about how something isn't necessary for "home defense" and I'm like...who said anything about home defense?
This video is problematic : you're not schilling for some ar manufacturer selling $4k+ mil spec guns... You aren't allowed to advocate for buying based off logic/reality on youtube...
@@JARG I think you have that backwards DA!!!! You obviously don't know what you are doing!!! It's kind of hard turning your light on/off quickly when it's on the opposite side of your support hand with no remote switch! I'm guessing you never shoot off of objects either because if you did you would realize it's mounted too low and on the wrong side!!! You just keep thinking that your right their cupcake!!! LOL. I've been shooting for 47 years and I can spot a clown a mile away!!! Good luck in a fight because your going to need it since you don't know how to set up your gear!!!
@@JARG I think you have that backwards DA!!!! You obviously don't know what you are doing!!! It's kind of hard turning your light on/off quickly when it's on the opposite side of your support hand with no remote switch! I'm guessing you never shoot off of objects either because if you did you would realize it's mounted too low and on the wrong side!!! You just keep thinking that your right their cupcake!!! LOL. I've been shooting for 47 years and I can spot a clown a mile away!!! Good luck in a fight because your going to need it since you don't know how to set up your gear!!!
@@JARG I think you have that backwards DA!!!! You obviously don't know what you are doing!!! It's kind of hard turning your light on/off quickly when it's on the opposite side of your support hand with no remote switch! I'm guessing you never shoot off of objects either because if you did you would realize it's mounted too low and on the wrong side!!! You just keep thinking that your right their cupcake!!! LOL.
I’ve recently picked up the GLx 2X by Primary Arms on my M16A2 rifle clone. And the Prism reticle is clean and crisp. A little better than my Aimpoint PRO
I have the exact same setup with the AEMS !! I love it.
very similar set up to what I have and the same conclusion. awesome job on the video, absolutely subscribed
Primary arms glx with 3x magnifier is my go to
@@daleeveland5579 then what is your red dot or unmagnified
Glx 1x prism @@JARG
Sig romeo4s. On sale you can get them around 250. Great optics for price. Side load battery. Motion on. Multiple retice options. 50k+ battery life
@@dav762s thx but I have been super impressed with the Holosun AEMS
I like the magnifiers but I can’t go higher than 3x and even that has a bit of distortion with my astigmatism.
I like the AEMS, but I keep going back to EOTech because it’s so much better with astigmatism
My first rifle is a BCM 14.4 mk2 upper on a built lower with bcm lpk. Arken EP8 1-8 and a offset holosun 507c. Not bougie, but I trust my life to it
Bruh I’m also running a Arken EP8 with a holosun offset. But I’m running the SCRS on a piggyback riser. I’d say it’s one of the best all around setups.
5:20 “years of training varsity level”
Its really not that difficult. You don’t have to be a navy seal to use a top mount or offset dot.
@@jasonbrody8724 For a quick transition. Yes it takes training. You have to see a target, quickly access distance, decide which optic, put head in position for that sight pic, then fire. But what do I know…
@@jasonbrody8724 my friend is untrained
@@JARG lol “tying your shoes is so difficult! First you have to find them then you have to figure out which one is left and right, put them on…..”
Listen I’m not saying it doesn’t take training but saying years is either hyperbole or ignorance.
3x prism ACC reticle from primary arms. 350$.
@@danoman5217 I am familiar with it. Like I said then piggyback it. That is not for newbie
Sorry, I can't do red dot, because of stigmatism. I'm using Eotech DCR instead.
Out of all the 3x magnifiers you have tried, which one is your favorite?
@@TwoWheelNinja straight up the 3x micro
@@TwoWheelNinja alnk.to/fwrTP0V
Yeah the easiest to shoot is the red dot type. For sure. No doubt.
I slightly disagree with some of this
I’ll start by saying I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a red dot and magnifier, and frankly it all depends on what you’re anticipated/intended use is for the rifle. If you’re imagining it as a combat rifle, like for a infantryman/minute man I believe the LPVO is way better
Now I’m gonna go on a rant here about why I believe LPVO is by far the best optic for a general purpose rifle
1) LPVO’s have way more forgiving eye relief than magnifiers. Way harder to get improper eye distance and see scope shadow. Faster target acquisition
2) more magnification than magnifiers usually provide
3) Bullet drop compensator helps aiming at distance a ton. Usually won’t get that with a RD/magnifier set up
4) red dot magnifier combos are usually close to the same weight as an LPVO so you aren’t saving much anyways
5) no snag hazard or extra optic with an LPVO
6) there are cheap and affordable quality LPVOs now. You don’t have to break the bank. I have a primary arms SLX and it’s phenomenal. The Sig one is supposed to be great too. Those are 400 dollar scopes. Throw in an extra couple hundred and you can get an eotech Vudu so it’s not like were breaking the bank to get a good one anymore
Now let me just say i don’t think there’s anything wrong with red dot magnifier and for some intended uses it may be superior, I even might build a rifle with that optic set up. Just speaking on why I lean towards LPVOs
I would say in conclusion, as a general rule, this doesn’t always apply but just as a very general rule:
12.5 and under: red dot or red dot and magnifier
13-20: LPVO
Doesn’t apply to everyone I’m sure there are reasons to put one on the other it all depends on your use case just that as a general rule
For context I’m looking at this from the perspective of an infantryman where im imaging that I could be in an infinite number of scenarios and I want something that I can never go wrong with. I feel that the LPVO gives me the most wide range of functionality I can’t imagine a situation where I wouldn’t be capable with one
@@backlashstudios6088 I am also from Infantry. Like I said the guy making this is untrained and wants a Gen purpose rifle. Which is in the title. He ain’t no 11 series like we were
@ got it, ya that makes a lot of sense man. I can definitely see how a red dot magnifier is great bang for your buck, easy to use, and force multiplier for that guy. All valid points man 🫡
I don’t like LPVO I had one sold it bought a T2 instead haven’t looked back
LPVOs straight up suck
I went from a magnifier / red dot combo to an LPVO and haven't looked back. For me, better in all ways.
@@MS-1994 I love the LPVO, use for my comps and stuff. But I stand by my general purpose rifle assessment
So you don't recommend a 5x magnifier?
@@Username4453 not for GPR
@@Username4453 the higher the magnification the tighter the eye box and the less light allowed in. It makes the image degraded and take longer to acquire and fuzzy
@@Username4453 also the GPR rifle is for like 400 and in. The 3x means you see about 133yards shot with a standard dot shot. Doable
@JARG I shoot 300 yards with a 3x magnifier all the time. I prefer shooting those distances with an LVPO though.
I agree with you , I have also made a vid about said subject. Great job
I will check it out
I couldn't disagree more. First, I have astigmatism, as does over 1 in 3 Americans aged 20 years or older.
Secondly, on a conceptual basis, the purpose of a rifle, generally, it to project kinetic energy at range with precision. We don't need a lot of magnification to see incredible increases in capability to identify and engage threats at any range. But we do need some.
Third, magnifiers on red dots are wonky as hell. Almost none of them provide useful reticles, and most of them are on mounts that allow the whole optic to move. Minimizing moving parts is imperative to increasing durability and simplicity, so it is hard for those of us who understand how this stuff works to take seriously any setup that turns the entire optic into a moving part. Real shooters do their best to make the optic as permanent and static as feasible.
Compared to a red dot with a magnifier, a prism with a piggybacking red dot is simpler and more durable, likely lighter in weight, and has a useful reticle that efficiently conveys information to the shooter, allowing them to identify, range, and engage threats with greater speed and accuracy at any range.
Having deployed, several times, with an A4 or SAW equipped with an RCO, you'll never convince me a red dot is a better option. I've seen the RCO work nothing short of miracles with pizza boxes that unked twice and barely passed with iron sights. It's basically a cheat code. A Marine with an RCO is almost a walking war crime. Etched reticle, battery free illumination, math free range estimation, and intuitive bullet drop compensation, in a literally bombproof package that doesn't flop from side to side...every single red dot and magnifier swtup is a joke by comparison. The capabilities of an ACOG with a RMR makes a red dot and magnifier look and feel like a toy.
If you have a handgun, PCC, or SMG set up exclusively for breaching and clearing elevators or doing your CQB stuff, sure, a red dot has distinct advantages over iron sights. But as soon as you're talking general purpose to include any range or circumstance that may require magnification, a red dot is the worst possible option.
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 appreciate the long winded opinion. While I have also deployed multiple times, this is not Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc. Home defense is short range, urban is short range, wooded environment is short range, etc. Like I said the piggyback is fine for me or you but we have training. The person making this rifle is new and needs a standard sight picture without a complex reticle. He will not be shooting past 300. So feel free to disagree and make a video about it.
If you’re talking about potentially defending your country, longer ranges are definitely a concern.
@JARG Magnification comes in handy at short range as well. I know the 300 meter stadia on my TA11J aligns with my 25 meter point of impact as well, so instead of just hanging out in space and guessing to accommodate for height over bore at close range, I have reference points that allow far greater precision. This combined with 3.5x magnification allows me to see branches, foliage, and other obstacles in a wooded or urban environment, and to place rounds with greater confidence than can be achieved with a red dot and magnifier, at all ranges.
If someone lacks the cognitive function to use a reticle that conveys useful information, they probably aren't very useful in a gunfight. You have to be able to think and process information under duress. If you can't, you're a liability. If anything more complicated than a red dot is too complex for you, then you are probably a danger to yourself and others. By the time you get close enough for 3 to 4x magnification to be a hindrance, a piggybacking or offset RMR is a near perfect option.
The point is that we are specifying a general purpose rifle here. A designated defensive carbine is not a GPR. A general purpose rifle may be tasked with defensive duty inside the home, but may also be tasked with other duties, and its optics should reflect that potential to address a broader spectrum of threats under all conditions.
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 people are always talking about how something isn't necessary for "home defense" and I'm like...who said anything about home defense?
Good shit bud.
Just get a Romeo 5. That holosun dot ain’t any better than a Romeo. Magnifiers eye relief is garbage not a fan
@@MD-eo2wy My AEMS is great and the micro 3x has great eye relief
This video is problematic : you're not schilling for some ar manufacturer selling $4k+ mil spec guns...
You aren't allowed to advocate for buying based off logic/reality on youtube...
@@shaynelhta thx. I only can discuss from my experience
Your weapon light is mounted too low and on the wrong side!!! LOL.
@@johnl-cz2qg you DA I mount where I like depending on the light. You are a real DA for thinking there is a specific place
@@JARG I think you have that backwards DA!!!! You obviously don't know what you are doing!!! It's kind of hard turning your light on/off quickly when it's on the opposite side of your support hand with no remote switch! I'm guessing you never shoot off of objects either because if you did you would realize it's mounted too low and on the wrong side!!! You just keep thinking that your right their cupcake!!! LOL. I've been shooting for 47 years and I can spot a clown a mile away!!! Good luck in a fight because your going to need it since you don't know how to set up your gear!!!
@@JARG I think you have that backwards DA!!!! You obviously don't know what you are doing!!! It's kind of hard turning your light on/off quickly when it's on the opposite side of your support hand with no remote switch! I'm guessing you never shoot off of objects either because if you did you would realize it's mounted too low and on the wrong side!!! You just keep thinking that your right their cupcake!!! LOL. I've been shooting for 47 years and I can spot a clown a mile away!!! Good luck in a fight because your going to need it since you don't know how to set up your gear!!!
@@JARG I think you have that backwards DA!!!! You obviously don't know what you are doing!!! It's kind of hard turning your light on/off quickly when it's on the opposite side of your support hand with no remote switch! I'm guessing you never shoot off of objects either because if you did you would realize it's mounted too low and on the wrong side!!! You just keep thinking that your right their cupcake!!! LOL.
@@johnl-cz2qg about you Sir. th-cam.com/video/OxI69gnPSYw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iJLJgD6wmmkl58Tn
I got the vortex micro 3x and the Holosun aems on my ar too I love it. I paid $500 for optics setup
@@GunJunky50AE hope you use my link in description
@@JARGI got my stuff at my gun shop I go to a few months back