It's so sad knowing how easily this accident could've been avoided only if the captain did his checks and don't have so much of an ego and listened to his co pilots
One indicator was reading over 300 knots, the other was indicating 200, as well as the backup indicator. Which one was correct? Maybe the one that wasn't confirmed to be malfunctioning during takeoff?
lol yep simple. wow i thought that the whole time, smh, then they couldnt figure out a stick shaker? capt was not good at all. the first officer should have taken over since his speed indicator was correct at take off.
Stopyourself pulling breakers, bad habit, it's not a PC or washing machine. Put the nose on the horizon (assume ADI working) , trim, power set 80% both, [you know it will fly with these settings] watch everything for a minute or two (scan) see what's what, have chat, get a cuppa tea (the Theanin in tea will calm you down btw] , - is it climbing up or down? Assuming some form of altitude and VSI is working. Does it feel right???? Does it sound right..???? Then deal with it in a calm CRM manner report pan if required.
@@tankthearc9875 : it is shocking to me how many of these high flight time supposedly professional pilots with 10,000 hours or more do not know how to fly. They are union hacks, not aviators….. The greatest mass murderers in modern times are airline pilots. They do it by the hundreds.
@@ebaystars The solution is so commonsense and reasonable that it drives me crazy those passengers had to die so needlessly! And this problem of poor ÇRM seems to come up so often, you would think it would be pushed so hard by management. Can't understand it! Belated RIP to all lost souls and their families. Thanks for another great production!
I think it's not while crossing the ocean on Autopilot for hours and hours that a pilot is learning to handle problem situations. I think the total flying time is almost irrelevant (or even maybe a disadvantage) when encountering a stress situation. A pilot with that much experience runs on 'autopilot' himself so much that an unexpected issue can become 'impossible' or 'unlikely' in his experience that he doesn't know how to handle it. Every accident video (and I've seen a few) starts with how many flight hours the cockpit crew has accumulated. I think a more important figure would be the total sim time and the results of the pilots performance during that would be more relevant, don't you think?
How do you get that confused? A minute and 30 seconds ago, you previously both established on the ground that your ASI clearly wasn't working, and that in the air, the overspeed and mach warnings were wrong. Even after so, he still *pulled the thrust levers back!* Even his way less experienced colleagues recognized the situation before he did!
Captain was probably out of his element. There were a bunch of warnings thrown at him. He probably wasn't able to tie them all to his own airspeed indicator, or realize his faulty air speed indicator was causing all of this. So if his mind is thinking about how to deal with these warnings individually, he definitely lost sight of the bigger picture. Seniority probably finished them off. Lots of airlines/cultures respect seniority where you don't question the most experienced guy.
@@josephdantes1605 That’s what I was thinking. If I had been the pilot in the back that knew what was going on, there’s no way all I’d do is just shout ‘ADI’. I would’ve been a lot more vocal to say the least .
The pitot tube has a heater inside so when the capt got at higher altitude the heater kicked in and made the ADI appear to be working but only partially. It was still partially blocked and not giving proper readings.
Incompetence leads to chaos, chaos leads to suffering. By the way, that incompetence already started on the ground when pitot tube covers were not installed.
i think what happened was the capt was in a fog like daze and the first officer should have taken control and gone by his speed indicator which was working at take off,.
Pitot tubes should have a system that blows high-pressure air out of the tube before flight to ensure that there isn't a clog. That would also blow off any tube covers that a crew might have forgotten, or blow a hole in the tape that brought down another flight.
Or rather than redesign it, just put pitot tube covers, you know, like how it's done everywhere today from small planes to jets. Of course then there's that one flight where the pilots forgot to remove the pitot tube cover. And the fact the airspeed on thr captains side increased is what you learn as a PRIVATE PILOT with like 20 hours. If your pitot tube is blocked and static port is working, then your airspeed works like an altimeter, if you go up speed goes up
You should cover the Malaysia Airlines A330 in Brisbane that left with pitot tubes covered just a few years ago. Pilots used technology to help get them to land (Back Up Speed Scale)
There must be something psychological about unreliable airspeed conditions that really messes with pilots. Over a decade later, Air France 447 was brought down by the exact same panic and confusion following an unreliable airspeed condition.
AF447 was way more confusing, this one was easily preventable whereas the french pilots were flying through storms with frozen pitot tubes, hit their aircraft's ceiling at an exceedingly high AoA, and then when they realized the mistake it was too late.
Did Air France incident also happen at night and over sea? Probably this was the leading cause I think. The feeling of “movement” just gets messed in your mind. Terrible illusion
Thanks for another great video! This one feels especially tragic. No matter how many instrument redundancies are installed, they are only as good as the crew’s trust of them. I like how you explain exactly what happened and defined some terms (CRM) just in case it’s somebody’s first time watching. I also really like how you list the safety changes that were made as a result of the accident, I will be using this information for a research project. I hadn’t heard of this flight although I have heard of others with the pitoh tubes. As always very informative, concise and thorough video.
@15:37, he describes the Pitot probes as sticking out and measureing airspeed. It is not that simple. Airspeed is actually a difference in pressure between the pitot probe and the static port. The static port is simply the pressure at the given altitude and what is used to indicate altitude. The Air Data computer also has a correction called SSEC (Static source error correction), it is a calibration that takes into account the angle of the pitot probe and the angles of the fuselage that affect airflow into it. So the reason the blocked pitot port gives a reading at all, is because when the bug blocked th pitot tube, the ground level pressure got locked into the pitot probe (approximately 14.7 PSI). As the aircraft ascends, the static pressure goes lower and lower. So now the difference in static and pitot pressure gets higher, giving airspeed indication. But also at the same time, the SSEC correction is also doing its thing and also affecting the airspeed reading. As the announcer said, this should have been a very basic troubeshooting by comparing all 3 indications and throwing out the one that was different.
Blocked pitot tube+working static port= airspeed increases during climb and decreases in descent. Literally 20 hour student pilots know this. But I'm beginning to suspect aviation knowledge isn't paramount or important in other countries like parts of Europe, most if not all of Asia, middle east, Africa, and the central and south America's. Why? Poorer countries, people can't afford flight training, so the airline gets involved hiring people and training them for free. In those countries you Can fly a jet on the right seat in as little as 250 hours. What motive will the airline have when training their pilot and what regulations will countries have where the people are poor and can't afford flight training? First, the airline will probably be subsizdied by the government, and regulations and safety stuff will be very relaxed. And the airline only cares to fill the right seat quickly, so they focus mostly on everything it takes to get from A To B in standard Conditions and maybe a few hours of emergency conditions, which very quickly those pilots forget. Plus they're taught to over rely on autopilot. Combined this sets up a recipe for disaster when even the mildest malfunction occurs. Even a private pilot in the US, would not crash this plane and would quickly realize what's happening with the airspeed indicator. Like ffs
Given the critical importance of Pitot tubes, why are they not built to blow out a puff of air as part of the start-up routine, to ensure that the tubes are clear (e.g. to blow off a missed tube cover)? Why not also have a backup tube in the body of the aircraft, that could be automatically deployed when the regular tubes malfunction, or do not agree? I also don't understand why the aircraft would not automatically ignore the reading from a tube that shows a reading different from the other two tubes and substitute the reading from the backup tube - that's why you have a backup in the first place.
@@jass7981 Adding a digital comparator would cost 'hundreds of millions'? As I recall, this is the same excuse that Boeing gave for not having a comparator circuit for their radio altimeters, that lead to the 2009 Turkish Airways flight 1951crash (th-cam.com/video/eMUBzS0n_Cw/w-d-xo.html). Gee, no wonder Boeing is going down the toilet.
Good video. I thought I was familiar with this incident but in fact you've drawn my attention to the fact that only the Captain's ASI was defective. This makes it particularly perplexing. Presumably, his experience stopped the other 2 pilots being more assertive. Truly a gross CRM failure, the plane was perfectly flyable.
This is so sad that a captain would act like this. Hard to believe that he had so many flying hours and yet couldn't even use deductive reasoning to figure out how to fly his F-ing plane. Very sad indeed!!!
The cabin view shown in this video is incorrect. The 757 is a single isle aircraft, like the 707, 727 and the 737. Other than that it is a very informative video.
Ironically there was a separate accident caused by covering the pito tubes to avoid insects. But then plane malfunctioned because they forgot to remove the covers before flying
So when they say 20 something thousand hours or whatever just means that they have 20,000 hours of flight time while basically flying with a checkbook? How many pilots have actually been trained to fly airplanes and not just to just by the step by step process of taking off and landing?
We humans have to constantly watch ourselves and force ourselves to be logical. (I could make references to current events in the news, but let's keep it aeronautical...) It's not that we get stupid, but our emotional state can cause us to neglect or dismiss reliable data that is readily available, and/or latch onto questionable information sources. Perhaps the captain, seeing that his airspeed indicator was behaving unusually, simply neglected all the backups out of some unconscious assumption that they too must be bad, and erroneously narrowed his focus to just his and the FO's.
I remember this crash. It happened only 46 days after American crashed the first 757 ever. 14 years of no accidents. And both were pilot error. Yes the captain’s pitot tube was compromised, but like green dot said, they had no CRM. I was screaming at the screen for them to push the nose down and power in! I’m pretty sure by the time they took action they were already falling almost straight down like a rock. I really wish the F/O would have taken control as it seemed like he knew far more than the captain about what was happening. Even the relief pilot knew. 🪦 R.I.P. Everyone. PS. Moral of story, if your parking an airplane to sit for several days, USE YOUR PITOT/STATIC and other protective covers.
I like your videos. You did a great job. I want to point out a couple of errors in this one. The cabin shots were not a B757 which is a single isle 3-3 configuration on most airlines. Not a wide body dual isle as depicted. You reference AA77 as another B757 accident. That hijacked aircraft had 58 fatalities. Another serious accident involving a B757 was American Airlines yet again that crashed into a mountain enroute to Cali in Columbia. Flight AA985. Pilot error. There were 159 fatalities and surprisingly 4 survivors.
Seen before, but always good to get another view. WASPS! It`s happened before and since- ground crew should take some responsibility, however the flight crew not only killed themselves, but also the PAX entrusted to their care. An evolving channel, always gets a `Like` before watching, and of course, SUBSCRIBED!
One would have thought that all commercial airline pilots were painfully aware of the important of keeping an eye on airspeed, attitude, altitude, turn, heading and vertical speed. This crew failed in basic flying and caused the death of innocent passengers.
It's infuriating to hear the other two pilots repeatedly telling the captain the exact thing to do to save the plane and somehow he's just so dumbfounded that he doesn't even listen until it's too late.
This is so despicably irresponsible! It is really infuriating when massively fatal crashes are caused by captains behaving like this! 🤬 It's also ridiculous that they got no CRM training from Birgenair. WTF
757 is a narrow body, The inside wis a widebody maybe the 767? The entry door is also further back on the 757, First class is to the left when you enter where everyone else goes left
How would the crew force the AP to input airspeed from the FO’s airspeed indicator? Could they just pull the breaker for the pilot’s airspeed indicator? Edit: ah, per Brent Hendricks below, is it switching the Air Data Input Selector from ‘L’ to ‘C’ or ‘R?’ Maybe it’s just me (I doubt it considering this audience), but if I was accumulating hours twiddling my thumbs while the auto pilot was in cruise, I’d consider cracking open my work iPad and start (yes, start, even w 24,000 hrs) getting to know my 757 inside and out. Maybe set my huge, expensive, aeroplane pilot watch to alert me the appropriate minutes to do an instrument scan.
Only started watching your channel, its a great find!!! By any chance do I detect an Irish accent mo chara? I'm Irish and it seems like I do but I could be totally wrong! Let us know if you do!! Keep up the amazing videos and keep safe Mr GDA!
"Including 2 members of the Polish parliament" ....hmmmm ya don't say. It's interesting to note that about a week or so later the Polish parliament would vote to privatize the rest of the nations assets.
My morbid curiosity makes me wonder how the people on board actually died. I am sure the pilots in the cockpit were killed on impact, but what about passengers all the way in the rear? Would the force still be enough to kill them? Did the plane break about and that killed them? Or did they live through the crash but drowned in the ocean? No matter what, this shouldn't have happened. RIP to those who died. I have been in three car crashes in my life, I don't think I'd be so lucky to survive a plane crash. I have only flown once, when I was a young child. I wasn't really even aware of the danger then, besides the fact that I knew I was really high in the air and that falling would result in my death. I wasn't aware of all the intricacies and complexities of flying a hunk of metal yet. Plane travel might be safer overall, but when things go bad the results can be way worse. And as a passenger, there is literally nothing you can do but hope to live through the ordeal.
Ahmed Urdam (sp?) started the entire fiasco. Any fool would have confirmed with his First that the speed indicators matched. On any Boeing plane, a death ride probability is about 50% even before the plane leaves the ground.
How many people have lost their lives because of pitot tubes in the last 50 years ? it's like every second airplane accident video I watch faulty pitot tubes are the culprit.
19:27 I saw the video of this before it was took off the net. The object that struck the pentagon was no bigger than a kayak canoe. Hence why it managed to miss all the street lighting and leave no trace of a passenger plane crash in it's wake. I'm a bit surprised such a knowledgable and meticulous documentary maker would be so easily convinced by such an outlandish official narrative.
Well as long as you've ever only been told the official account of the event, it's quite impossible to figure out such an enormous scam. At least this was the case for me and numerous people I know or have heard of. God bless David R. Griffin and many others !
The plane can't tell its airspeed without knowing the air pressure outside the aircraft. And the air pressure outside the aircraft is given by the static ports (which were blocked in Aeroperu 603).
This is one of the most infuriating flight accidents I've seen. It's hard to find excuses for those three in the cockpit. Their stupidity and complete incompetence cost them and all those people their lives.
Worth mentioning is, that the crew was on very short alert. The original plane and crew could not execute the flight due to some problem with the plane. They where on very short notice (just two hours) but more importantly, they where already waiting for weeks on the island, as the company didnt want them to fly the plane back empty. Safe to say, they where desperate to leave. The report states that human factors and the split second decision of the captain to continue take off was influenced by these factors. Not an excuse though.
Basically a single insect ended up taking down a Boeing 757, because a veteran captain didn't cross check the other air speed indicators, or even listen to the relief pilot who was trying to fix the problem.
@@JoeB2490 to continue the take-off was not the problem. I'm stunned by the incompetence that they were unable to compare all those speed indicators and make a conclusion. Especially the captain. Man, that guy should not even have driven a bus.
@@longdonglarry It certainly was. You are drawing the wrong conclusons. We call it flying "ahead" of the plane. Thats why we check at 80 knts if eerything is going to plan. Once airborn with a smallish failure like this this escaltes quickly as the work load is already high. Yes, it is a minor failure one would think its easy to deal with. But in reality, in the sitaution it self it can get out of hand fast. Dont forget: The human mind works way way way worse in stressfull conditions. Thats why its absolutely critical to fly ahead of the plane. Because it keeps stress levels low and therfore decrease chances for human error.
@@JoeB2490 I agree. Rotating with that malfunction was certainly the second mistake(the first mistake was to not question the working conditions of the tubes after sitting unprotected for weeks), but still somewhat forgivable. At least not fatal. But how the hell can you not compare the 3 speedometers with each other once airborne? And the cherry on the cake: You get the stall warning and still ignore it. It seemed like the 3rd pilot knew what was going on but had no balls to advise the cap. in a clear manner. You see that often when plane accidents happen in certain cultures. The cap. is god and as a FO. you'd be crazy to question his decisions no matter how false they are. It sounds like you are a pilot and I understand that you guys don't call out other pilots even for the worst mistakes, but I'm wondering what you're really thinking in such a case. The AF crash is another one of those.
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The crew's actions were beyond incompetence. They obviously did not understand the basic systems and essentially ignored the plane's last warning to them about the stall. This is criminal.
Both the First Officer and the 3rd pilot were well aware of their situation. It was the captain who chose not to listen and sealed everyone's fate that night 😕
Insects in the pitot tube are a fact. I'm a pilot, a few years ago two friends and I flew a Cessna around Australia. We stopped for a few days on the far north coast and when we took off we discovered we had no airspeed indication. After we landed we discovered a wasp had built a nest in the pitot tube. Exciting addition to the trip!
How come it took you until you got airborne to discover you had no airspeed? How did you know when to lift off? Did you not check airspeed as you accelerated?
I am relieved that you made a safe landing along with the other two. By nesting inside airplane pitot tubes, those naive wasps always cause chaos and disruption.
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Great video Emmet. Small correction tho: bush did 9/11, not hijackers
@@mcratsix Thanks for the correction James I’ll put this in the video description
@@mcratsix And your evidence for this absurd comment is ……….What???
Song at 9:38 ?
It's so sad knowing how easily this accident could've been avoided only if the captain did his checks and don't have so much of an ego and listened to his co pilots
Yeah i thought the same.. he was thinking that he has more experience then first officer so he can handle this easily without the help of others
The FO should take control...
One indicator was reading over 300 knots, the other was indicating 200, as well as the backup indicator. Which one was correct? Maybe the one that wasn't confirmed to be malfunctioning during takeoff?
lol yep simple. wow i thought that the whole time, smh, then they couldnt figure out a stick shaker? capt was not good at all. the first officer should have taken over since his speed indicator was correct at take off.
Stopyourself pulling breakers, bad habit, it's not a PC or washing machine. Put the nose on the horizon (assume ADI working) , trim, power set 80% both, [you know it will fly with these settings] watch everything for a minute or two (scan) see what's what, have chat, get a cuppa tea (the Theanin in tea will calm you down btw] , - is it climbing up or down? Assuming some form of altitude and VSI is working. Does it feel right???? Does it sound right..???? Then deal with it in a calm CRM manner report pan if required.
@@tankthearc9875 : it is shocking to me how many of these high flight time supposedly professional pilots with 10,000 hours or more do not know how to fly. They are union hacks, not aviators….. The greatest mass murderers in modern times are airline pilots. They do it by the hundreds.
@@ebaystars The solution is so commonsense and reasonable that it drives me crazy those passengers had to die so needlessly! And this problem of poor ÇRM seems to come up so often, you would think it would be pushed so hard by management. Can't understand it!
Belated RIP to all lost souls and their families.
Thanks for another great production!
Classic pitot tube only blockage. Effing private pilots know that blocked pitot tube shows you higher airspeed when you climb
Such an incredibly preventable crash.
i dont understand this at all. why would he not go by the first officers speed since it was working correctly at take off and his wasnt.
@@tankthearc9875 turkish arrogance lmao what else
Totally.
@@tankthearc9875 Total idiocity, like: oh no, my brakes didnt work, lmao I am just gonna drive like nothing happend.
.. really? - and why do you think that?
24000 flight hours and the captain doesn't know the basics of flying, its just amazing
I think it's not while crossing the ocean on Autopilot for hours and hours that a pilot is learning to handle problem situations. I think the total flying time is almost irrelevant (or even maybe a disadvantage) when encountering a stress situation. A pilot with that much experience runs on 'autopilot' himself so much that an unexpected issue can become 'impossible' or 'unlikely' in his experience that he doesn't know how to handle it.
Every accident video (and I've seen a few) starts with how many flight hours the cockpit crew has accumulated.
I think a more important figure would be the total sim time and the results of the pilots performance during that would be more relevant, don't you think?
@@tomvanthuyne I also think that the number of manual take offs and landings would say more. Not the hours flown with autopilot.
At least he died
@@tomvanthuyne I mean, you are partially correct but first hand flying is irreplaceable to any simulation training.
They didn't get taught for this
How do you get that confused? A minute and 30 seconds ago, you previously both established on the ground that your ASI clearly wasn't working, and that in the air, the overspeed and mach warnings were wrong. Even after so, he still *pulled the thrust levers back!* Even his way less experienced colleagues recognized the situation before he did!
Captain was probably out of his element. There were a bunch of warnings thrown at him. He probably wasn't able to tie them all to his own airspeed indicator, or realize his faulty air speed indicator was causing all of this. So if his mind is thinking about how to deal with these warnings individually, he definitely lost sight of the bigger picture. Seniority probably finished them off. Lots of airlines/cultures respect seniority where you don't question the most experienced guy.
It was the middle of the night, with maybe a lack of sleep compounding it.
@@josephdantes1605 That’s what I was thinking. If I had been the pilot in the back that knew what was going on, there’s no way all I’d do is just shout ‘ADI’. I would’ve been a lot more vocal to say the least .
Likely a case of get-there-itis
The pitot tube has a heater inside so when the capt got at higher altitude the heater kicked in and made the ADI appear to be working but only partially. It was still partially blocked and not giving proper readings.
Incompetence leads to chaos, chaos leads to suffering. By the way, that incompetence already started on the ground when pitot tube covers were not installed.
i think what happened was the capt was in a fog like daze and the first officer should have taken control and gone by his speed indicator which was working at take off,.
Pitot tubes should have a system that blows high-pressure air out of the tube before flight to ensure that there isn't a clog. That would also blow off any tube covers that a crew might have forgotten, or blow a hole in the tape that brought down another flight.
Or even just pressurise the tube enough to confirm no obstruction
Or rather than redesign it, just put pitot tube covers, you know, like how it's done everywhere today from small planes to jets. Of course then there's that one flight where the pilots forgot to remove the pitot tube cover. And the fact the airspeed on thr captains side increased is what you learn as a PRIVATE PILOT with like 20 hours. If your pitot tube is blocked and static port is working, then your airspeed works like an altimeter, if you go up speed goes up
You should cover the Malaysia Airlines A330 in Brisbane that left with pitot tubes covered just a few years ago. Pilots used technology to help get them to land (Back Up Speed Scale)
He has recently! A great video
He did that, thank you!
Why doesn't annual pilot refresher sim courses include these past disastrous scenarios? Surely this would help.
The ironic thing is that the cover is supposed to prevent these wasps from blocking the pitot tubes
I agree with other comments, your calm explanation in detail of the circumstances helps viewers with no flight knowledge have a better understanding
How did 3 pilots not simply look at their Attitude Indicator and ADI (RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM) to see their angle was up? This is beyond negligent.
It’s really unbelievable
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There must be something psychological about unreliable airspeed conditions that really messes with pilots. Over a decade later, Air France 447 was brought down by the exact same panic and confusion following an unreliable airspeed condition.
AF447 was way more confusing, this one was easily preventable whereas the french pilots were flying through storms with frozen pitot tubes, hit their aircraft's ceiling at an exceedingly high AoA, and then when they realized the mistake it was too late.
Did Air France incident also happen at night and over sea? Probably this was the leading cause I think. The feeling of “movement” just gets messed in your mind. Terrible illusion
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Thanks for another great video! This one feels especially tragic. No matter how many instrument redundancies are installed, they are only as good as the crew’s trust of them. I like how you explain exactly what happened and defined some terms (CRM) just in case it’s somebody’s first time watching. I also really like how you list the safety changes that were made as a result of the accident, I will be using this information for a research project. I hadn’t heard of this flight although I have heard of others with the pitoh tubes. As always very informative, concise and thorough video.
@15:37, he describes the Pitot probes as sticking out and measureing airspeed. It is not that simple. Airspeed is actually a difference in pressure between the pitot probe and the static port. The static port is simply the pressure at the given altitude and what is used to indicate altitude. The Air Data computer also has a correction called SSEC (Static source error correction), it is a calibration that takes into account the angle of the pitot probe and the angles of the fuselage that affect airflow into it.
So the reason the blocked pitot port gives a reading at all, is because when the bug blocked th pitot tube, the ground level pressure got locked into the pitot probe (approximately 14.7 PSI). As the aircraft ascends, the static pressure goes lower and lower. So now the difference in static and pitot pressure gets higher, giving airspeed indication. But also at the same time, the SSEC correction is also doing its thing and also affecting the airspeed reading.
As the announcer said, this should have been a very basic troubeshooting by comparing all 3 indications and throwing out the one that was different.
Blocked pitot tube+working static port= airspeed increases during climb and decreases in descent.
Literally 20 hour student pilots know this. But I'm beginning to suspect aviation knowledge isn't paramount or important in other countries like parts of Europe, most if not all of Asia, middle east, Africa, and the central and south America's. Why? Poorer countries, people can't afford flight training, so the airline gets involved hiring people and training them for free. In those countries you Can fly a jet on the right seat in as little as 250 hours. What motive will the airline have when training their pilot and what regulations will countries have where the people are poor and can't afford flight training? First, the airline will probably be subsizdied by the government, and regulations and safety stuff will be very relaxed. And the airline only cares to fill the right seat quickly, so they focus mostly on everything it takes to get from A To B in standard Conditions and maybe a few hours of emergency conditions, which very quickly those pilots forget. Plus they're taught to over rely on autopilot. Combined this sets up a recipe for disaster when even the mildest malfunction occurs. Even a private pilot in the US, would not crash this plane and would quickly realize what's happening with the airspeed indicator. Like ffs
Given the critical importance of Pitot tubes, why are they not built to blow out a puff of air as part of the start-up routine, to ensure that the tubes are clear (e.g. to blow off a missed tube cover)? Why not also have a backup tube in the body of the aircraft, that could be automatically deployed when the regular tubes malfunction, or do not agree? I also don't understand why the aircraft would not automatically ignore the reading from a tube that shows a reading different from the other two tubes and substitute the reading from the backup tube - that's why you have a backup in the first place.
Way too much work for the payoff. It would cost hundreds of millions to implement.
@@jass7981 Adding a digital comparator would cost 'hundreds of millions'? As I recall, this is the same excuse that Boeing gave for not having a comparator circuit for their radio altimeters, that lead to the 2009 Turkish Airways flight 1951crash (th-cam.com/video/eMUBzS0n_Cw/w-d-xo.html). Gee, no wonder Boeing is going down the toilet.
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Good video. I thought I was familiar with this incident but in fact you've drawn my attention to the fact that only the Captain's ASI was defective. This makes it particularly perplexing. Presumably, his experience stopped the other 2 pilots being more assertive. Truly a gross CRM failure, the plane was perfectly flyable.
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And to think they couldn't spend an extra 20 $ to fit some kind of warning the tubes were covered ?
Just baffling
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This is so sad that a captain would act like this. Hard to believe that he had so many flying hours and yet couldn't even use deductive reasoning to figure out how to fly his F-ing plane. Very sad indeed!!!
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1:12 FYI: this is a wide body, but the 757 is a narrowbody.
«there was also two Poles in board.” Not me expecting you to follow up with: “the North Pole, and the South Pole.” 😂😂
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The cabin view shown in this video is incorrect. The 757 is a single isle aircraft, like the 707, 727 and the 737. Other than that it is a very informative video.
Ironically there was a separate accident caused by covering the pito tubes to avoid insects. But then plane malfunctioned because they forgot to remove the covers before flying
at 1:17 A Boeing 757 narrow-body, single-aisle aircraft as you pose for a picture of a wide-body, two-aisle aircraft
So when they say 20 something thousand hours or whatever just means that they have 20,000 hours of flight time while basically flying with a checkbook? How many pilots have actually been trained to fly airplanes and not just to just by the step by step process of taking off and landing?
When it started to stall, wouldn't they feel it falling. I feel like whenever a plane im on shifts direction I can feel it.
Shocking the lack of awareness, training, competence of all involved.
We humans have to constantly watch ourselves and force ourselves to be logical. (I could make references to current events in the news, but let's keep it aeronautical...) It's not that we get stupid, but our emotional state can cause us to neglect or dismiss reliable data that is readily available, and/or latch onto questionable information sources. Perhaps the captain, seeing that his airspeed indicator was behaving unusually, simply neglected all the backups out of some unconscious assumption that they too must be bad, and erroneously narrowed his focus to just his and the FO's.
You would think by now they’d have redesigned pitot tubes?
They work. So if it ain’t broke don’t fix. Other things they’ve tried are not as accurate
Very unfortunate. Rest in peace ❤️🌹
I’m just baffled at the captains state of confusion and not just putting the goddamn nose down and kicking it into top gear
I remember this crash. It happened only 46 days after American crashed the first 757 ever. 14 years of no accidents.
And both were pilot error. Yes the captain’s pitot tube was compromised, but like green dot said, they had no CRM.
I was screaming at the screen for them to push the nose down and power in!
I’m pretty sure by the time they took action they were already falling almost straight down like a rock.
I really wish the F/O would have taken control as it seemed like he knew far more than the captain about what was happening.
Even the relief pilot knew. 🪦 R.I.P. Everyone.
PS. Moral of story, if your parking an airplane to sit for several days, USE YOUR PITOT/STATIC and other protective covers.
It's just so annoying when people ignore the stall warning.
The capt froze from the conflicting alarms. The other pilots should've taken control from him since he was unfit to fly at this point.
I remember this incident, it was the first time I consciously became aware that mass-casualty aircrashes were a thing.
I like your videos. You did a great job. I want to point out a couple of errors in this one. The cabin shots were not a B757 which is a single isle 3-3 configuration on most airlines. Not a wide body dual isle as depicted. You reference AA77 as another B757 accident. That hijacked aircraft had 58 fatalities. Another serious accident involving a B757 was American Airlines yet again that crashed into a mountain enroute to Cali in Columbia. Flight AA985. Pilot error. There were 159 fatalities and surprisingly 4 survivors.
Seen before, but always good to get another view. WASPS! It`s happened before and since- ground crew should take some responsibility, however the flight crew not only killed themselves, but also the PAX entrusted to their care. An evolving channel, always gets a `Like` before watching, and of course, SUBSCRIBED!
Also REJECT the take off if something so crucial as airspeed isn't working
Who would’ve thought a wasp nest in the pitot tubes would bring down an airliner.
Wouldn’t they be able to feel the sink rate of a stall in their stomach
A 757-200 displaying a cabin layout of a 767.
They thought they were too smart for something so basic and were over guessing the problem
Great negligence
Damn Im not a pilot whatsoever but I play the simulators, and I feel like something as simple as this would not have gone over my head
One would have thought that all commercial airline pilots were painfully aware of the important of keeping an eye on airspeed, attitude, altitude, turn, heading and vertical speed.
This crew failed in basic flying and caused the death of innocent passengers.
3 not property trained pilots in the cockpit! Unbelievable!! Sometimes I believe we need the Flight Engineer back in the cockpit. 👍
Imagine the passengers confronting the pilots on their flying skills in heaven/hell.
A lot of people know about it but you should do the sully water landing in the Hudson incident
Wow. Unbelievable. All this time they've been flying on luck alone cuz when things finally went wrong they couldn't handle it.
relied too much on the automation didnt know how to really fly
What a dumb thing to say
@@helloimclaudio amazing reply well done! stay mad.
@@takers786 stay stupid hahaha
@@helloimclaudio Low IQ
I've never even been on a plane and even I know what the stick shaker means. It's the plane's last ditch effort to get your attention NOW.
It's infuriating to hear the other two pilots repeatedly telling the captain the exact thing to do to save the plane and somehow he's just so dumbfounded that he doesn't even listen until it's too late.
Can you do the Polish LOT crash in the early 80's in Warsaw that killed Anna Jantar?
Most kills by a single insect in human history
lol
I'm surprised they don't have retractable peto tubes
This is so despicably irresponsible! It is really infuriating when massively fatal crashes are caused by captains behaving like this! 🤬 It's also ridiculous that they got no CRM training from Birgenair. WTF
A twin aisle 757?
It should be legal to challenge the captain . Saying ADI is not enough, lives are at stake.
How did the AP work while there were not the same information coming from the different pito tubes?
Use one readings of the apparently correct pitot tube to feed the info to AP
The Autopilots run on independent systems. Typically one takes from captains and one takes from FO's
Hmmm.. I wonder what this switch that says AIR DATA Source Selector L/C/R does. Hmmmm.
The missile that went into the pentagon you mean!
Half way through and WTAF were they playing at?
wasnt the 757 single aisle?
In other words, the pilots had no business flying that plane.
757 is a narrow body, The inside wis a widebody maybe the 767? The entry door is also further back on the 757, First class is to the left when you enter where everyone else goes left
Screen rotate
Thanks for sharing 👍 when are you going to run for president I will vote for you
No, he shud be ruler of the galaxy, come on.
The Captain likely had done his training at the same place that the 9-11 pilots were trained! 😂
How would the crew force the AP to input airspeed from the FO’s airspeed indicator? Could they just pull the breaker for the pilot’s airspeed indicator?
Edit: ah, per Brent Hendricks below, is it switching the Air Data Input Selector from ‘L’ to ‘C’ or ‘R?’ Maybe it’s just me (I doubt it considering this audience), but if I was accumulating hours twiddling my thumbs while the auto pilot was in cruise, I’d consider cracking open my work iPad and start (yes, start, even w 24,000 hrs) getting to know my 757 inside and out. Maybe set my huge, expensive, aeroplane pilot watch to alert me the appropriate minutes to do an instrument scan.
You just engage the R autopilot
Only started watching your channel, its a great find!!! By any chance do I detect an Irish accent mo chara? I'm Irish and it seems like I do but I could be totally wrong! Let us know if you do!! Keep up the amazing videos and keep safe Mr GDA!
Yes yes i thought i got a little Irish accent in there too 😅🍀🍀 im also irish by the way 🇮🇪
Please - I need your content faster! I can't keep watching the old stuff 😂
Working on it!
"CHAOS in the cockpit" sounds like pr0n title
"Including 2 members of the Polish parliament"
....hmmmm ya don't say. It's interesting to note that about a week or so later the Polish parliament would vote to privatize the rest of the nations assets.
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My morbid curiosity makes me wonder how the people on board actually died. I am sure the pilots in the cockpit were killed on impact, but what about passengers all the way in the rear? Would the force still be enough to kill them? Did the plane break about and that killed them? Or did they live through the crash but drowned in the ocean? No matter what, this shouldn't have happened. RIP to those who died.
I have been in three car crashes in my life, I don't think I'd be so lucky to survive a plane crash. I have only flown once, when I was a young child. I wasn't really even aware of the danger then, besides the fact that I knew I was really high in the air and that falling would result in my death. I wasn't aware of all the intricacies and complexities of flying a hunk of metal yet.
Plane travel might be safer overall, but when things go bad the results can be way worse. And as a passenger, there is literally nothing you can do but hope to live through the ordeal.
Air France - AF447, similar to this one - unreal ffs
It's bad luck to have Polish MPs on board.
captain was possessed
I know I'm nit picking but the 757 has a single aisle.
This wasn't even an accident. This captain murdered 189 people, and the first officer was an accessory.
Ahmed Urdam (sp?) started the entire fiasco. Any fool would have confirmed with his First that the speed indicators matched. On any Boeing plane, a death ride probability is about 50% even before the plane leaves the ground.
How many people have lost their lives because of pitot tubes in the last 50 years ? it's like every second airplane accident video I watch faulty pitot tubes are the culprit.
Wow wow wow good brother TNX GOOD
one instrument is failing and sure the airplane will fall out of the sky
These are not pilots when they are unable to fly a plane
19:27 I saw the video of this before it was took off the net. The object that struck the pentagon was no bigger than a kayak canoe. Hence why it managed to miss all the street lighting and leave no trace of a passenger plane crash in it's wake.
I'm a bit surprised such a knowledgable and meticulous documentary maker would be so easily convinced by such an outlandish official narrative.
Well as long as you've ever only been told the official account of the event, it's quite impossible to figure out such an enormous scam. At least this was the case for me and numerous people I know or have heard of. God bless David R. Griffin and many others !
I always wonderer whybthe Aeroperu flight had false speed readings if the altitude sensors were blocked but not the pitot tubes
The plane can't tell its airspeed without knowing the air pressure outside the aircraft. And the air pressure outside the aircraft is given by the static ports (which were blocked in Aeroperu 603).
@@GreenDotAviation ohh thanks my man.
This is one of the most infuriating flight accidents I've seen. It's hard to find excuses for those three in the cockpit. Their stupidity and complete incompetence cost them and all those people their lives.
Worth mentioning is, that the crew was on very short alert. The original plane and crew could not execute the flight due to some problem with the plane.
They where on very short notice (just two hours) but more importantly, they where already waiting for weeks on the island, as the company didnt want them to fly the plane back empty. Safe to say, they where desperate to leave. The report states that human factors and the split second decision of the captain to continue take off was influenced by these factors.
Not an excuse though.
Basically a single insect ended up taking down a Boeing 757, because a veteran captain didn't cross check the other air speed indicators, or even listen to the relief pilot who was trying to fix the problem.
@@JoeB2490 to continue the take-off was not the problem. I'm stunned by the incompetence that they were unable to compare all those speed indicators and make a conclusion. Especially the captain. Man, that guy should not even have driven a bus.
@@longdonglarry It certainly was. You are drawing the wrong conclusons. We call it flying "ahead" of the plane. Thats why we check at 80 knts if eerything is going to plan. Once airborn with a smallish failure like this this escaltes quickly as the work load is already high. Yes, it is a minor failure one would think its easy to deal with. But in reality, in the sitaution it self it can get out of hand fast. Dont forget: The human mind works way way way worse in stressfull conditions.
Thats why its absolutely critical to fly ahead of the plane. Because it keeps stress levels low and therfore decrease chances for human error.
@@JoeB2490 I agree. Rotating with that malfunction was certainly the second mistake(the first mistake was to not question the working conditions of the tubes after sitting unprotected for weeks), but still somewhat forgivable. At least not fatal.
But how the hell can you not compare the 3 speedometers with each other once airborne? And the cherry on the cake: You get the stall warning and still ignore it.
It seemed like the 3rd pilot knew what was going on but had no balls to advise the cap. in a clear manner.
You see that often when plane accidents happen in certain cultures. The cap. is god and as a FO. you'd be crazy to question his decisions no matter how false they are. It sounds like you are a pilot and I understand that you guys don't call out other pilots even for the worst mistakes, but I'm wondering what you're really thinking in such a case. The AF crash is another one of those.
Rule #1 - When instruments aren't working, ABORT take-off. "No delays" are not worth the lives of all onboard.
It's incredible that all it took is 1 indicator to malfunction to bring the entire plane down, despite being other working indicators ...
This is the best flight accident channel in TH-cam. The patient, calm explanation of everything, the background and the level of research is superb! Well done!
Mentour is an actual pilot, so he gives a fantastic perspective but the research, the detail and the delivery of Green Dot's videos is the best
Many thanks!
I agree. The flight channel is pretty good too. It has no talking though.
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@@Emzzz78 Flight Channel was my first discovery in the world of aviation disaster TH-cam. Probably the best simulations.
I just binged all your videos over the course of the past week and what can I say.. the information you provide is of incredible depth. Yet, your style of presentation and the immaculate visuals make it easy to follow. I started watching mentour a few weeks ago and this is about everything I had to do with aviation so far. However, these videos make it so easy to really get into it.
Good job man, keep doing what you are doing! I am super hyped for new content:)
Thanks for the kind words! Next video releases this sunday! 🙌
Just doing the same now. Absolutely brilliant channel!
The crew's actions were beyond incompetence. They obviously did not understand the basic systems and essentially ignored the plane's last warning to them about the stall. This is criminal.
Both the First Officer and the 3rd pilot were well aware of their situation. It was the captain who chose not to listen and sealed everyone's fate that night 😕
@Jeremy Brown being dead doesn’t absolve them of anything lmao
@jeremybrown9179 It is more disgusting to defend people who caused the deaths of so many. I hope someone pisses in the captain's grave.
@jeremybrown9179wouldn’t be talking ill of the dead if they weren’t so fucking incompetent
@jeremybrown9179 "Don't talk ill of the dead, that's disgusting" might be one of the craziest statements I've read this year. It's obviously wrong.
Insects in the pitot tube are a fact. I'm a pilot, a few years ago two friends and I flew a Cessna around Australia. We stopped for a few days on the far north coast and when we took off we discovered we had no airspeed indication. After we landed we discovered a wasp had built a nest in the pitot tube. Exciting addition to the trip!
How come it took you until you got airborne to discover you had no airspeed? How did you know when to lift off? Did you not check airspeed as you accelerated?
Yeah right. You couldn't fly a paperairoplane
I am relieved that you made a safe landing along with the other two. By nesting inside airplane pitot tubes, those naive wasps always cause chaos and disruption.