kylesenior the M2 is basically a 75 percent scaled up 1919, I believe a 100 percent upscale M2 did exists firing a 25ish MM round did exist for naval use.
During Basic in 1964 I spent a day cleaning/dusty about a dozen supersized weapons (M-!, M-14, .30 .50 BAR Carbine .45 etc at Ft Jackson. Never saw them used for anything they were just there.
A great training aid, I was amazed to see a cut-away of a radial aircraft engine at the Curtiss museum, also used for ww2 mechanics, it really adds a lot to mechanical prints.
If there is not dirt, debris, or a burr in the locking area or the muzzle booster (the barrel is a precision fit into the booster) then it is likely that the breach locking block is in backwards. It is one of the few ways to put the gun together incorrectly.
They do make the rounds for it or say they did, they also had a double sized cloth belt that the rounds fit in and it will function and feed the rounds through the trainer there is also a military manual for this trainer.
I know Omaha Surplus in Fort Worth used to have one of these hanging from the ceiling. additionally...using oversized models for instructional purposes used to a rather common theme. I used to own a 7 foot functional slide rule that I acquired when the restaurant it was decorating wanted to get rid of it (eventually sold it to someone writing a book about collecting slide rules) it was original manufactured for teaching grade school children how to do math with slide rules. back before the pocket calculator.
Saw one of those at the checkpoint at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, it was the day of the shooting at Fort Bragg so I didn't dare take photos of it, but had a very interesting visit of the Ordinance museum and the tanks museum.
That's interesting. Now I'm curious as to what the issue could have been. Maybe one of those would be available at the next SAR show. I'd love to have one for the collection. I actually met you (assuming I am messaging Ian) and Karl at the SAR show before last. I hope I'll see you guys again.
I recall one of these being either in the hallway, or in one of the classrooms at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in the late 80's. There were some larger-scale ComBloc weapons on display as well - e.g. an AK and an RPK.
I believe the answer was given in one of the Q&A's for InRangeTV channel. You would need to browse through the videos but Karl and Ian answered what made them interested in firearms and talked about their backgrounds
Oh yeah I remember now - he said he wanted to always have a Vepr and was so happy to get it, he spent some money on getting it kitted out only to realize that was a reaaaally bad choice.
His father is a Japanese small arms expert I believe so it's very likely those would have been the guns Ian grew up handling and learning about before any others.
The barrel is screwed too far into the barrel extension and thus the head space is too tight for the gun to close. That is why the chamber cut out is not facing the opening properly as it should if it was correctly head spaced.
That was my initial assumption, but on inspection it seemed that something inside the bottom of the receiver was preventing the locking block from traveling freely.
There's one of these at the Chennault Aviation Museum in Monroe, La. If anyone is in the area and has time to kill I highly recommend. Small place that only takes a half hour or so to go through but is spellbinding for any history buff.
Neat idea. Don't think i've ever seen any of the cutaway mockups. I can see where they would be useful for teaching and training. And it doesn't hurt that at first glance, it looks like an overgrown Ma Deuce.........☺
There's a BAR trainer on the top of a local gunshop's sign here in Pennsylvania. It seems a bit weird though because it has a bullet and a red line coming out of the end of the barrel.
I swear the Allies were in league with a race of Giants and Bigfeet who were instrumental in the war. These weapons are the only remaining evidence of their existence.
Could the problem be that the head space is keeping the bolt from going into battery? I bet if you turned the barrel out it would lock up properly, I've had that problem with my real 1919.
@@ForgottenWeapons I just got one of these guns today and after cleaning forty years of dust and grime. It had the same issue. Solution was to back out the barrel since I had screwed it all the way in.
Joachim Elmesiöö They don't take that long to strip down or to reassemble. I'm trying to remember how long it took the last time I did it but I don't exactly recall. But probably 20 minutes or less to get it all apart but that is not stripping the trigger group or bolt or top cover into individual pieces.
They have one of these 1919's in the local army surplus store in Clayton, NC... I think some of the pieces are missing, not sure, haven't been in a while, it's not a vary good surplus sore lol
Were there any fancy mechanical knowhows employed to implement watertight sealing in M1917? Or in Maxim or Vickers machine guns, for that matter. The recoiling barrel doesn't seem to be particularly... leakage avoidance friendly :)
To the best of my knowledge all these large trading models were made in the 1950s ...the only WW2 model was the large M1 Garand Rifle ..later they made a 1911 pistol and and M16 cutaway ...the 1919 mg that you have is marked 1919a6 , the bar and the carbine is an M2 not M1 ....all have the large box carry / storage / display gray box
I often wondered if you could convert those things ,with a lot of serious gunsmithing of course, to a really big cartridge it would be NFA in a big way of course
I believe all these trainers ( except the M1 Garand) were made in the 1950s.....I have a 1918a2 one made by the us navy...and most are missing parts or there special training ammo
Funny thinking about a few things relating to this gun's scale, the real one fires 30-06 I believe, and 50 BMG is basically just a scaled up 30-06 so this thing's theoretical cartridge is basically a slightly larger 50 BMG.
I can see someone mounting this mockup on a pickup truck and going down some California highway!! Could you just imagine the looks on the motorist, and the headscratching of the CHP! LMBO!!!!
How am I supposed to hide this in my golf bag?
Axel Pingol USAF security might get suspicious.
Same way you get the elephant into the fridge: Open the door, elephant in, close the door.
Bah, get a trench coat. They'll never notice. lol
you dont need to
Dr. Strangelove will have the answer!
I now want a functional 200% scale M2 to shoot.
Look for the Maxim pompom. It fires 37mm ammo, if that is big enought for yuo.
Its never big enough
Schweinekraids there is a bushmaster 50mm autocannon, though its a chain gun
"Chaaaaiiiin gun!"
kylesenior the M2 is basically a 75 percent scaled up 1919, I believe a 100 percent upscale M2 did exists firing a 25ish MM round did exist for naval use.
During Basic in 1964 I spent a day cleaning/dusty about a dozen supersized weapons (M-!, M-14, .30 .50 BAR Carbine .45 etc at Ft Jackson. Never saw them used for anything they were just there.
Cool! Or...maybe not for you at the time, hehe.
Honey, I shrunk the gun Jesus.
Holy shit, I want that hanging from MY ceiling, gun shop or nay. Quality upload as usual, Gun Jesus. We love you.
A great training aid, I was amazed to see a cut-away of a radial aircraft engine at the Curtiss museum, also used for ww2 mechanics, it really adds a lot to mechanical prints.
Ok, let me get the _obvious_ jokes out of the way:
"Do they make IWB holsters for it?"
"Does it take Glock mags?"
Alright, that should do it.
"Does it have a bayonet lug?"
TheGoldenCaulk "mud test"
"the russian/german equivalent was better"
Can I put an ACOG on it?
"IWB" stands for "In Body" ? ..... with the W being a hieroglyph of where is goes
If there is not dirt, debris, or a burr in the locking area or the muzzle booster (the barrel is a precision fit into the booster) then it is likely that the breach locking block is in backwards. It is one of the few ways to put the gun together incorrectly.
Clearly this belongs in a movie from the late 80s/early 90s with Arnold Schwarzenegger shooting it from the hip and yelling unintelligibly.
Reminds me of Ranger Joe's outside Ft. Benning. M1919, Skoda, and LAW hanging from the ceiling.
Wait, a giant LAW? :o
I think a silly straddling opportunity was somehow missed...
as far as we know ;)
These are super cool! I've seen the 1918 BAR version. I think the same one has floated around local gun shows here for years.
Imagine that hanging from your wall!
Would be awesome if they made 200% dummy rounds to feed through it too
They did, actually, although there are not any being sold with this one.
Forgotten Weapons with the belt and all? that would be so cool
I'm sure having some wood or light metal replicas would be easy enough to have made up and painted
The catalog photo shows two plastic dummy rounds included with the gun
They do make the rounds for it or say they did, they also had a double sized cloth belt that the rounds fit in and it will function and feed the rounds through the trainer there is also a military manual for this trainer.
Quite good video, awesome!
Finally! A proper super mutant size small arm.
I watched an old training film from WW2 & one of these was in it & it was really neat & a great training tool.
I know Omaha Surplus in Fort Worth used to have one of these hanging from the ceiling.
additionally...using oversized models for instructional purposes used to a rather common theme. I used to own a 7 foot functional slide rule that I acquired when the restaurant it was decorating wanted to get rid of it (eventually sold it to someone writing a book about collecting slide rules) it was original manufactured for teaching grade school children how to do math with slide rules. back before the pocket calculator.
A "say hello to my little friend" intro would be appropriate here.
Back when I was a kid in the sixties a gun shop in downtown Peoria Illinois had one of these and a cut away BAR hanging outside above their sign.
DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!!!
Saw one of those at the checkpoint at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, it was the day of the shooting at Fort Bragg so I didn't dare take photos of it, but had a very interesting visit of the Ordinance museum and the tanks museum.
There's a hardware shop in my hometown that has the BAR version of this hanging from their ceiling still to this day.
I love these trainer gun lookalikes!
Giant Browning is giant.
In awe at the size of this lad.
heavy bolter
Whoa !
Thanks Ian, spectacular video, as always.
The barrel extension wasn't going fully forward due to headspace. The barrel was screwed into the extension too far.
That was my first thought, but it's not the case.
That's interesting. Now I'm curious as to what the issue could have been. Maybe one of those would be available at the next SAR show. I'd love to have one for the collection. I actually met you (assuming I am messaging Ian) and Karl at the SAR show before last. I hope I'll see you guys again.
there's actually old WW2 army films that show the function of these training models somewhere on youtube, they're very interesting.
Say hello to my little friend
I have the BAR 1918 by this company. It does take up some space.
My rifle and pistol club has one of these in the clubhouse. Pretty cool novelty.
They are awesome. My friend has a gun store in Grand Island Nebraska and all four models are hanging from the ceiling.
I recall one of these being either in the hallway, or in one of the classrooms at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in the late 80's. There were some larger-scale ComBloc weapons on display as well - e.g. an AK and an RPK.
Ah, darn it. I'm still eagerly awaiting the chance to learn how the Browning machine guns actually work. So close!
Ian looks like a 9 year old sitting behind that : )
So a big training gun. That’s pretty cool
Some patreon subscriber, ask Ian what his first gun was
Conn Clark yes!
I believe the answer was given in one of the Q&A's for InRangeTV channel. You would need to browse through the videos but Karl and Ian answered what made them interested in firearms and talked about their backgrounds
Conn Clark The first gun he purchased for himself was a Vepr
Oh yeah I remember now - he said he wanted to always have a Vepr and was so happy to get it, he spent some money on getting it kitted out only to realize that was a reaaaally bad choice.
His father is a Japanese small arms expert I believe so it's very likely those would have been the guns Ian grew up handling and learning about before any others.
this would be so awesome to put alongside the original.
The barrel is screwed too far into the barrel extension and thus the head space is too tight for the gun to close. That is why the chamber cut out is not facing the opening properly as it should if it was correctly head spaced.
That was my initial assumption, but on inspection it seemed that something inside the bottom of the receiver was preventing the locking block from traveling freely.
@@ForgottenWeapons you can clearly see in your vid that the barrel was screwed all the way in.
They have this, and a BAR at the Philippine Military Academy.
great tool to show/train the troops. I wonder if the services still use similar tools today
Perfect concealed carry weapon
Does the U.S military still use scaled up instruction guns like this on but of current issue guns ?
A gun store near me has the BAR version of this mounted on the outside wall of the store.
We called them GTAs or Graphic Training Aids in the early 70s...they were available in just about every small arm in the Army inventory.
And so the american 20mm aircraft mounted cannon was born
There's one of these at the Chennault Aviation Museum in Monroe, La. If anyone is in the area and has time to kill I highly recommend. Small place that only takes a half hour or so to go through but is spellbinding for any history buff.
Now 'that' would make for a pretty darn impressive paperweight.
More book reviews please. Absolutely love this channel!
I do book reviews every Sunday when I'm not running auction series'.
Awesome thanks!
There's a Military surplus store in downtown Ft. Worth called Omaha's Surplus and they have one of these.
Could it be that cap at the end of the barrel shroud is not letting the barrel come all the way forward?
Nope, I checked that.
Greeting from Australia Ian, Been here since the beginning; love all your content mate, keep up the good work
Neat idea. Don't think i've ever seen any of the cutaway mockups. I can see where they would be useful for teaching and training. And it doesn't hurt that at first glance, it looks like an overgrown Ma Deuce.........☺
There's a BAR trainer on the top of a local gunshop's sign here in Pennsylvania. It seems a bit weird though because it has a bullet and a red line coming out of the end of the barrel.
Ian, could we get a video, or series about the 1919 family?
let's crowdfund so Ian can buy it so we can get that sweet excruciating detail 😁
I thought that the 1919A6 was the A4 with a buttstock and no not the ones that those Marines experimented with by slapping BAR buttstocks on the A4
they have one of these at the knob Creek range near fort Knox ky
always loved these
I see where the inspiration for the 60 cal came from.
I swear the Allies were in league with a race of Giants and Bigfeet who were instrumental in the war. These weapons are the only remaining evidence of their existence.
Could the problem be that the head space is keeping the bolt from going into battery? I bet if you turned the barrel out it would lock up properly, I've had that problem with my real 1919.
That was my first assumption, but no.
@@ForgottenWeapons I just got one of these guns today and after cleaning forty years of dust and grime. It had the same issue. Solution was to back out the barrel since I had screwed it all the way in.
I remember seeing you do an episode on the BAR version of one of these.
Would the owner let you take that apart and clean it if you had the time, and how long do you think it would take?
Joachim Elmesiöö They don't take that long to strip down or to reassemble. I'm trying to remember how long it took the last time I did it but I don't exactly recall. But probably 20 minutes or less to get it all apart but that is not stripping the trigger group or bolt or top cover into individual pieces.
They have one of these 1919's in the local army surplus store in Clayton, NC... I think some of the pieces are missing, not sure, haven't been in a while, it's not a vary good surplus sore lol
Up next, an amazing new 2 gun match.
easy fix. the head space is too tight not allowing lock up. unscrew the barrel from the lock frame a few clicks and the bolt would go into battery.
That was my initial assumption, but it is not the case.
That's unexpectedly cool!
Were there any fancy mechanical knowhows employed to implement watertight sealing in M1917? Or in Maxim or Vickers machine guns, for that matter. The recoiling barrel doesn't seem to be particularly... leakage avoidance friendly :)
The barrel is wrapped with greased asbestos twine where it goes through the barrel jacket. That is enough to create a watertight seal.
I did a brief search before asking here, but couldn't find the answer. Thanks!
I did a double take on the first few seconds until you explained what the hell it is!!
honestly i just really want this to sit on a table in my house
‘It weighs 150kg and fires $200 custom tooled cartridges at 10,000 rounds per minute, it costs 400,000 dollars to fire this weapon for 12 seconds.’
At RIA's site i saw a few lots with Calico pistols in them... hope you're taking a look at one!
To the best of my knowledge all these large trading models were made in the 1950s ...the only WW2 model was the large M1 Garand Rifle ..later they made a 1911 pistol and and M16 cutaway ...the 1919 mg that you have is marked 1919a6 , the bar and the carbine is an M2 not M1 ....all have the large box carry / storage / display gray box
That's not browning, thats a space marine bolter haha.
There is a M16 A1 version as well
Didn't Ian do a video on this already?
were there dummy cartridges and belts for this?
Yes.
I often wondered if you could convert those things ,with a lot of serious gunsmithing of course, to a really big cartridge it would be NFA in a big way of course
Holy shit that is huge . It was shocking to see that at the Intro to the video.
I wish they made 1 inch shells for these. That would be incredibly fun.
Oh no. It is. I'm ashamed of myself now. What have I done gun jesus, please forgive me!
Haha I know, not that much of a big deal. But what's the point of a .60 when you can more easily get a .50, or even a 20mm?
Exactly 1000 views, 100 views and 0 dislikes... so pleasing :)
(although that's not enough for the quality of this channel)
You mean to tell me somewhere there is an M1 but huge? Where can I get it!
can u do a video on an actual m1919a6 30 cal?
I believe all these trainers ( except the M1 Garand) were made in the 1950s.....I have a 1918a2 one made by the us navy...and most are missing parts or there special training ammo
Funny thinking about a few things relating to this gun's scale, the real one fires 30-06 I believe, and 50 BMG is basically just a scaled up 30-06 so this thing's theoretical cartridge is basically a slightly larger 50 BMG.
Can you do a video on the excruciating details of the function
Honey, I shrunk Ian!
that's a big gun
4 u?
UUUU
I would love to have a 1919 in 30mm
I can see someone mounting this mockup on a pickup truck and going down some California highway!! Could you just imagine the looks on the motorist, and the headscratching of the CHP! LMBO!!!!
Stamford CT is where I live
Its really sad that it doesn't work, I would liked to bought is as a carry gun.
Greetings from Germany!
hahaha when this first started, i thought ian had shrunk!
soo it is something like... .60 caliber?
if it's a 200% gun, it'd be 1 caliber.
Now I want to see one of those that scale that can fire :) imagine the caliber
This thing was a pig at 1/1. WAY more than an M-60 ever could be. At 2/1, it's a BIG PIG!
Don't you have a video of the BAR version of this ? Or that was a different manufacturer/"tool" ??
Now you need to buy it and do a "field strip" video.