Atheist Experience 20.06 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker
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- 21:05 Carlos: Lima, Peru: Big Bang, Science, and God
44:02 Azis: Saudi Arabia: Religion Causing Extremist Movements, Reading the Quran Correctly
1:08:27 Mark: Isabela, Philippines: Block Voting Through Churches
1:15:13 DJ: Hull, England: Were Deities Invented to Excuse Human Desires?
1:19:36 Forrest: Grove Town, GA: Atheism is a Religion, Science is a Conspiracy
1:28:44 Hamish: Perth, Scotland: US Elections and Religion
The Atheist Experience episode 20.06 for February 14, 2016, with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker. Slime in the Religion Machine. Don argues that the sliminess of religious leaders should bring their trustworthiness into question.
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Aziz is no bother by killing humans but it's bother by "swearing". Thank "god" that we have just a wonderful moral guidance!
Yes, another religious idiot.
good to see he has his priorities right.
He responded to the f-bomb like a child. His reasoning was also childlike.
Aziz: Can we talk about the part in the Quran where Muhammad flies on a winged donkey-mule up to the heavens? Oh yeah the donkey mule has a woman's face. Does that sound factual? How do you interpret that so that it makes sense?
Aziz is just using No-True Muslim fallacy.
Well Done Matt ... Excellent !!!!!
I love when Matt is like, Bye. Makes the show move along faster and get to a proof of God. Wasting time on some callers is a waste. Move along until we get to a proof of God.
Sound like you've got anger management issues, like Matt :-) BTW, spoiler alert, there are no proofs for God. 2 callers Matt bludgeoned with his arrogant bullying in this show, preventing him and the audience from learning more
Did you not hear the problems that were forthcoming in this very episode Alexander, regarding using unclear language. What exactly do you mean by proof? Are you misusing the term and being unclear purposely?
What did we miss out on learning? What seriously do you suppose we would have recieved as answers and explanations, especially given thier vague, disingenuous, rambling obscurantist horseshit up to the point of ejection.
Matt isn't bullying and haranguing them, certainly not undeservedly. He is merely attempting to cut down on the seemingly virtually essential endless meaningless preaching, time wasting, rambling, refusing to answer even simple questions and using obfuscationary tactics.
For me, he could get rid of few of them even sooner. ESPECIALLY the obviously dishonest ones who are clearly not discussing honestly, with integrity and in good faith. I would kick them even faster than Matt. Once they have clearly shown themselves, there is little reason to continue. Unless they are particularly entertaining I suppose.
@@martingrundy5475 , no. No. Matt has a very fundy idea of Islam, a bit like Sam Harris. They don't understand, they've never lived in Underistan. They think the World, that's to say, people, should be logical. And I agree. However, it's not the case.
It's very funny actually, because, clearly, he is brilliant, Matt is, but also, when it comes to things like government or science, he's as intelligent as dog's dildo, a chewy one. The poor guy, I so do feel for him. His sex life is so less than optimal. Sigjh.
Anyway, thank you for your response, there. It resonates with me on the wavelength of 'angry aatheist'. I am very angry, but I'm not a criminal. I think fundy places should have a health warning above the door. I'll be happy when that becomes a law :-0
Sorry, yeah, so, to answer your question, um, what we could have learned more about is, about, um, moderrate Islam. Yeah, I know it makes not logical sense, like you know, in view of the horrible things in the Qu'ran, but, somehow they mush it up with the Suna and the Hadith (which there are two and more competing versions of) and somehow, in their minds they make a religious smoothy.
And, and, and, and, all these religious pillocks make more babies than us atheists do.
We would be moving super fast, a 20 minute show.
@@stupidtreehugger tea was d did gif child
They teach you to look for errors in the Koran as a method to get student to pay good attention. Then if they find an error, the teacher can explain how to read it "correctly" so that they can control the narrative. They will explain how it isn't an error, that it just looks like that to in informed readers.
It reassures that the students all leave with the same outlook on it.
That way you don't have 30 kids with 30 different interpretations.
My point is that Matt is wrong when he used it against Aziz. He used it as if it was a contradiction. If a student found an error, then it means the student does not understand it. So they can fix it.
In fact, if Matt allowed Aziz to speak, the passage about killing the non believers, is one of those "errors".
I heard someone defend that against a Christian. If what he said was true, it absolutely changes what that passage means.
Im 100% atheist and don't think any of it is real but I will still say something when things get blown in wrong directions.
What the guy said was that it was a speech during a battle or war. They were fighting against non believers.
So all the talk about killing the non believers was about that specific battle. Just like Marines might have said the exact same thing about the Japanese on Tarawa or something.
So Aziz is not lying. He is trying to explain it.. but he can't speak English good enough. Matt wouldn't even give him time to think of the words.
So Aziz learned that those verses did not apply to the world. Only the situation. So I defend Aziz at that point.
But... going against aziz. The Marines didn't target the Japanese because they were Japanese. It was just war.
The Muslims targeted non believers because they were non believers. So they would still be wrong and still be killing them.
The reason I even mention this is that even as atheists, we need to be smart. If there is a missing context that matters, we look bad if we strawman and don't stay open. That way they can ignore are points because we don't listen. But if we argue, from facts, it creates doubt in their mind and we win
Ad hoc rational
"The 'CORRECT' interpretation is..."
And, this is the simplest way to show why there are 40,000 different denominations of Christianity, and maybe hundreds in Islam.
Actually Islam supposedly only has 2
Sunni, Shia, Sufism, Ahmadi these are only the ones I know.
😮
Carlos, love without evidence is stalking!
Or at least very creepy!
(I apparently can't spell 😂)
There was an easy way to handle Carlos:
"No, I cannot prove that my wife loves me (And by that I mean cannot be certain). And you cannot prove that God exists; You cannot be certain."
Use their own argument against them. He was self-defeating. Done
He wouldn’t have disagreed with that though; he agrees we can’t be certain about god. He’s trying to say “see here’s all these other things you aren’t certain of that you reasonably believe, therefore I’m justified in reasonably believing this one.”
@@AbleAnderson No, because someone can interact with their wife and gather evidence (and therefore build confidence in) the belief. False equivalency.
@@jayjasespud Oh Jason, no no bud. I agree with you that we can have evidence our wife loves us and not god. I was responding to your claim that had the hosts said "nope we can't be certain about our wives just like you can't be certain about god" and you said they should have just used his own argument against him: I was saying that is not a good strategy because he would agree with that. I'm not making a false equivalency, the caller made this analogy, not me, I'm telling you what the caller's end game with this is, and his end game is "we can't be certain about tons of things and you believe them, things like your wife loves you, therefore I'm ALSO justified in believing in this god thing that I can't be certain of." We agree the CALLER is making a false equivalency because we can have tons of EVIDENCE that our wives love us while we have none for a god; I was responding to your strategy to deal with the call and explaining why I don't think it would have worked.
@@AbleAnderson And I was elaborating. My first comment was flippant: just "meet him where he's at." He was inplying you can't have confidence in either, which defeats his own position if assumed. He was trying to assert both are either equally unreasonable or equally reasonable. They're not.
So, as I pointed out, you can just discard the argument. I decided to be flippant about it and sarcastically accept the argument by saying "okay, there's no reason to believe my wife loves me, and no reason to believe in God. Done."
He should have simply said - I cannot prove it but I have sufficient evidence to believe she loves me - but I don't have sufficient evidence to believe in god. Then ask - do you have sufficient evidence to believe in god and if so what is it? It is a shame he hung up as he ought to have nailed this caller. The caller went away claiming Matt is just an angry atheist.
Frkng “ real Muslims “ again ,
The whole conversation is BS from this real Muslim “😂😂😂
End of Carlos' thing. "I choose to believe my wife loves me. Because I can't know for certain. I don't have proof." That's a false dichotomy. As Matt says, you don't choose your beliefs. You can't "choose to believe" that you can fly. Or that it will rain apple juice tomorrow at noon. Well, not and be justified. You believe that which you're convinced of. And you can be convinced for good or bad reasons.
So, restated "I believe my wife loves me. I don't have definitive proof (which I still haven't defined, despite multiple requests). But I do have evidence for the premise that 'my wife loves me' sufficient that I am convinced that it's true."
Hmmm. It's true that his "A because B" didn't scan. But the fallacy may be that his B was a non sequitur.
Logic is hard work.
Carlos does not know how to listen. He hears an explanation, and totally ignores it. Or just can't take the time to try to assimilate it.
He was infuriating to listen to - I hope he reads this comments and learns how absolutely thick he was being.
Forest: Look at the trees!
Also Forest: can't see, well, himself...for those trees.
Forest Gump ran to Georgia to make a call about science/atheist being a religion.
I know its old but as far as Aziz from saudi arabia; Im screaming in my head even if it said to do it in that time...duh ..hellooooo they are still doing it as we speak. its happening now. what does time got to do with it? cmon man bring better shit.
Aziz needs to be put in prison with his God.
"Aziz, you are a nitwit!"
The Muslim caller talks like an apologists,
With made up numbers to support his big BS claims ,
and claiming Islam is like other religions ,😳😂😂😂
I first listened to that on spotify. And had to come and watch the live version.
What a demolition of one take on “interpretation”. How malleable the inspired words of all these “infallible” gods can be. Dangerous. 👍🏻
Seriously, don needs to be punched. He always laughs during stupid and wrong times. When Carlos came up with his proof question, don, not only laughed, he kept laughing and making it worse while matt was trying to get Carlos to understand. Carlos is one of those who are childish and refuses to listen. I hate people that use those buttons to push to make someone mad in order to control his bullshit ideas. Making matt mad then exploiting that makes matt look unreasonable while Carlos plays the innocent card and doesnt answer shit.
Hamish is wonderful to listen to for his soft-spoken style of comedy. He is hysterical!... Oh, wait... He was serious??
Aziz has lost all his reason and common sense, so no conversation can take place.
The previous caller and Aziz are struggling with rationality and common sense. Theyre so entrenched in their concrete way of thinking that they arent open to evidence, facts or reason. They will drown in their ignorance.
Forest is a good name for that dunce. Forest Gump had 30 more I Q points than he did.
Forest is so clueless that he can't see the forest from Forest. Put another way, we can tell the Forest from the trees, because at least trees can grow.
Thanks for talking to Aziz.I learned that Islam and Christianity are taught using similar techniques
Hamish got exactly the respect he deserved: none at all!
Now that I've seen Don in suspenders I'm not sure what to believe. And not in an agnostic sense.
The call with Aziz was the funniest ever.
I love being a outlooker on religion. I'm sitting here eating popcorn while listening to people tell me the Bible or Koran hates me for being gay and I should die. Well guess what, I'm kinky. Also, I married my bastard of a husband. He is my bastard I love every second with him. I could say what he does to show he loves me but.... I don't need approval. Very thankful for the eye opening experience I had growing up Christian. I am a better man now. I was being groomed to be a pastor. Dodged that bullet 😎
Carlos was acting like he was a “doubting jesus”, but he tried all the dishonest tactics religious apologists engage in, like dodging questions, asking if they knew their spouses loved them and talking about what was before(or outside of) the Big Bang.🤤
Everytime a caller goes to the "does your wife love you?" Question it baffles me because for one the wife is there, you don't have to prove she exists. How can that be equal to a "loving god"? Who's existence is non-existent. God is actually a catfish using all this religions to get lovers.
Is the power to forgive outright without demanding blood sacrifice a power worth having?As a parent of (rather fine but not invariably perfect) children, I'd think this power indispensable to functioning well within a family, not to mention wider society. Seems rather odd to say that an all-powerful moral agent somehow lacks the power of bloodless forgiveness. Ah, well.
If you start by assuming you have the absolute truth then you don't look for the actual truth in reality.
That is what all religion gets wrong from the start.
Faith, in my opinion is the least admirable trait and it deserves NO admiration NOR respect
If we can get people to believe that god is watching them all the time, they will behave themselves.
Plus, we can get them to give us money, so we don't have to get a proper job.
Good idea ?
"But if there is a universe-creatibg deity with good and bad eternal afterlife in store for humans... and WE misrepresent it..."
"You much worried about that? Me neither."
What Carlos (and many other people) don't seem to understand is that the scientific method is not "searching for proof", but for evidence. Two very different things.
Aziz... LIGHT!
nice one
OMG!!!! Answer the questions?! What do you mean by proof Carlos?! For fuck sake lol was driving me crazy.
Even with Thomas Paine writing Common Sense some years ago, it seems that anyone who puts their faith in gods, and their books, have obviously lost theirs.
Matt was really bad here. carlos was just trying to provoke him with his bullshit but Matt dealt with that very poorly.
@@251rmartin His performances against the loony theists is fine, its his disgusting level of leftism that is the problem here.
Matt is obviously one of those people that need overbearing ideologies to survive, he started of off with theism and beat that, but slipped into leftism to replace it. Some humans need to be controlled and Matt is obviously one of them.
What ken ham said wasn’t rude, it was a fucking death treath
At 1:29:32: It's "I couldn't care less," not "I could [sic] care less", Matt!
What's with all the anti science bullshit lately?
I think Aziz chocked on his bullshit.
All of these callers could simply be asked one question at the beginning of the call: Can you or any theist simply provide indisputable proof that your fictitious "God" even exists? No? Then all of these tangental arguments are pointless and a complete and utter waste of time. Have a nice life! Goodbye! Of course this would not be an acceptable tactic to use on a talk show.
Forrest sounds like he missed a lot of school.
If he even ever went to school in the first place! I mean, wow! He claims he has studied the science, and yet makes the bonehead mistake of saying that evolution is only a theory!
I agree with Aziz! The Koran is rubbish and should be thrown away. DJ; awesome dialect!!
You know you are dealing with a non thinker when you say " we don't know if it's possible" and the other guy says "so it's impossible then?".
You can't say god is possible.
So god is impossible?.
It still blows me away when you have a caller than sounds intelligent, yet still believes in things that don't connect.
Like Carlos.
I am an ex-muslim, but to be honest Matt kind of taking the verse out of context, as the next verse started with (except...).
He should've pick another verse.
Quran 9:1 Allah is not obligated to follow treaties made with infidels and neither are muslims. The except... talks about those who muslims have treaties with.
@@BlueEyesWhiteTeddy I am not going to defend that shit, but you could find many apologetics will do. In my opinion 9:29 is more explicit.
Aziz, like many other dishonest religious apologists, wants to claim he knows the correct interpretation of his fairy tales, even though he can’t prove he knows the correct interpretation.🤡
Hamish has the worst fake Scottish accent I think I've ever heard
No True Scottish Accent
@@brucebaker810 exactly!!!
It is a common Scottish accent Susi ( I live only 80 miles from Perth and speak nothing like him). You don't have to travel far for the accent to change to such a considerable degree that sometimes it is difficult even for a fellow Scot to understand. It's as real as, unfortunately, his opinions.
I’m watching this for comedic relief… and when I hear theists talk, my ego is stoked. 😂
To live without science you have to take all your clothes off and climbed into a tree.
These guys are great!
Justice Scalia? Tamp the dirt down!
Carlos says he has no proof that his wife love's him? That's nuts.
What if women are all just really good actors?
@@251rmartin that's good, I'm going to write that down.
@@251rmartin can you even see a damn thing that's in front of your face?
@@251rmartin I made a joke, you couldn't see that.
@@251rmartin so you thought I was serious?
Money, sex, and religion; the three things that can make otherwise rational people do irrational things.
And drugs... also there's nothing wrong with money it's greed that f**** people up
God is perfect.
God made us.
We are bad.
Think.
LOL because satan
Prove it.
@@boblangford5514
"Prove it" is only applicable in mathematics and logic.
"God is perfect" is a theological claim which you either accept or reject.
@@tedgrant2 Why should I accept your claim that god is perfect?
@@boblangford5514
@boblangford5514
As we all know, a straight line is the shortest distance between two points ... buy definition. You don't have to buy it.
Suppose you are humane ( being a humanist )..and not study some book..that makes life for yourself and others a prison..would that not make life much better? I am not very happy with men being something called a " prophet " ..mentioning or facing such a person should make you very edgy...this kind of persons are immediately suspicious..
At about 40:48 Don rightly advises Matt to not make a big deal about Matt's argument about choosing beliefs. Matt won't even consider taking Don's advice and doubles down on his position. If you're not open minded enough to even consider the thoughtful position of your co-host, maybe you should reflect on your own position.
Matt here (as he often does) is having a one on one conversation with the caller that excludes Don.
Then Matt hangs up on the caller without checking whether Don is done with the caller because he's butt hurt by the caller asking to finish his statement sans interruption. Really ironic considering Matt's reaction when he gets interrupted.
Sodomy is illegal in us?? Lmao
Hey, Matt. The bigger question is, how was Aaron able to come meet Moses, this made him a run away slave, right?
These two are like Johnny and Ed from the Tonight Show.
My all-time favourite combo.
Forest ain't had no fancy book learnin'.
Why does Carlos speak into a can? It is difficult to understand with the reverb like noise when he talks.
Well, he sounds uneducated and from some poor third world hellhole.
That was a complete waste of time. You are not going to get through to a Saudi like that. A real shame
Might have been nice to give us all the benefit of your wisdom.
What WOULD have gotten through to a Saudi like that? Why do you think so?
It's not necessarily about changing the caller's mind, but to use the opportunity to reach viewers who would have the same arguments as the caller and might be a bit more easily swayed since they're not being confronted personally.
That question about whether Matt's wife loved him really got under his skin. That makes more sense now he's getting divorced.
Bit of a cheap comment. Matt's personal life is that, personal.
Depends on if the supernatural is true.
atheist here. aziz was struggling with his english but was attempting (i think) to explain what was happening historically at that time, ie that muslims were living under constant persecution from the quraysh (pagan meccans). matt could have at least allowed him to make the point.
Self-victimization is characteristic of both christianism and muhammadanism. Exaggerating their persecution by others (all the bullshit about martyrism) and minimizing their role the persecution of others and the hundreds of millions of people that they have killed, the millions of people that they have tortured and all the the other cultures that they have eradicated. Poor Aziz and his self-serving bullshit.
yes agreed.....but it's not his fault.....and i wonder whether these poor deluded fools would respond more readily if they didn't feel so threatened. but yeah.
Julian Sims they’d feel nothing if you said it to them in Saudi because you’d be flogged.
@@trishayamada807....irrelevant for two reasons; 1) i'm never going to find myself saying anything in saudi arabia, and 2) the comment was about matt allowing the guy to make the point.
Aziz is living in a dream world , delusional life , filled with lies and deceptions…. and he is defending it too .!
I love Hamish hes good for a laugh.
I don't doubt he is viewed just the same at home, and especially when he's in his local pub/s. Pissed up,in the later hours, I don't doubt there are many hearty chuckles doing the rounds.
The Scottish do have a beltin' sense of humour. I'll bet they have some fun with Hamish.
Groundskeeper Willie goes to church. Lol
@@LubaFan Hamish is a Calvinist...who may have quoted Hobbes.
Calvin & Hobbs? BINGO!!
I am an atheist but against lgbtq ... dont think it is normal...but i respect all humans...
"Against" us? What does that even mean? How can you be against what someone is? It's like being against blue-eyed people. Normality is subjective. Being straight is unnatural to me. Does that make it wrong?
Gay penguins
Gay bison
Gay people
Not natural?
Brain parasites
Birth defects
Belladonna
Not natural?
Heart transplants
Eyeglasses
Chocolate ice cream
Natural?
Are you against those?
You're wrong 2 ways. It is natural.
And "natural" isn't synonymous with "good".
I hate when they spend half an hour talking about crap by themselves, the calls are the most important thing. glad I can skip to them
did they just recently change it so you can commetn on any of there videos?
comment. yes.
no. no commetning will be permitted.
If we are in an expanding universe, matter should thin out as you look farther away; but that’s not what we see.
You have to squint
Matt was brutal with Aziz. It was obvious that Aziz was saying there are no errors in Koran. He meant you look for what you THINK are errors. When you find one the instructor could explain how it isn't an error. It would be like christian finding slavery in the Bible then teacher would twist it to make it good.
Matt ended up getting it but he crushed Aziz. Aziz could barely speak English and Matt wouldn't let him speak. It wasn't educational because Aziz couldn't get a word out. If Matt let him speak, he could have used his exact words to get him to understand. Aziz left thinking Matt didn't understand him. That helps no one.
I don't think you really listened
That is the problem with the word atheism It is in fact meaningless I am an Atheist I am agreeable and I am disagreeable. I play no part in atheism though.
What does that even mean?
I get it! He means all gods are obviously just made up like Santa and the tooth fairy. So atheist is like asantaist or atoothfairyist. Unnecessary.
It's not meaningless.
It describes 1 belief, not demeanor.
You needn't "get involved" in a movement. If you don't believe in god(s) you're an atheist.
Have a nice day.
This did not age well, Matt saying these nasty things opened the door to the same hateful things RBG had said about here. Maybe Ruth was a late term abortion so all is well.
Aged perfectly
@@albertcombrink3717 How so? Did god tell you that?
@@StanSwan Say what?
@@albertcombrink3717 You made a reply that is meaningless. Pee-Wee Herman made better arguments.
@@StanSwan Whoopeedoo
Matt is such a bully. Ruins the show.
He has to deal with dishonest and slippery hucksters like Aziz. Imagine trying to have a sensible and honest conversation with Ray Comfort! 😆
Looks like being a musllim takes. A person to hand over humanity and critical thinking is suspended. And this is a good thing ?