Slow Down to Go Fast: Goodguys Del Mar Autocross, with a crash
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- This video of six competitors'runs at the April 2, 2022 Goodguys Del Mar Nationals autocross ends with a truck skidding through the shutdown area and into a double concrete wall.
...THAT WHITE MAVERICK THO...!!!
Nice driving too!.
Agreed
Would like to know his time?
Isn't that Ford Maverick cool? I still remember when those 70s Maverick economy cars were new. The massive transformation of this one into a ground-pounding beast is impressive.
Jan
Russell,
I was wondering the same thing about that Maverick's impressive run, so I just had a look at my unused wild footage: 44.840 + one cone. My footage of the time clock was really shakey, which is probably why I did not include it in my edited video.
Jan
Yeah, let's put a wall 50 feet from a high speed finish line.
Nobody forced them to go out there.
It happens all the time. They make a small area surrounded by concrete . Most autocross tracks have larger areas where they cone off a course.
Unfortunately they were limited to that lot because the autocross was only part of the major Goodguys Del Mar Nationals Rod & Customs show. It was a massive (very cool) car and truck show.
Jan
@@pomonatown7365 - May not have made a difference. Truck's rely on the front brakes more than cars and they locked either as a result of braking too late, gravel on the surface or both, as everyone was sliding at the finish. If the course is designed with a finish heading towards a concrete K-wall, without options if your brakes fail, better to brake early as there are no heroes in Auto-X;-)
That course was terrible. I'm really amazed they would run an event on that course, and with all those concrete barriers so close. Zero shutdown area after the fastest part of the course. Absolutely wrong.
It’s amazing 60 other drivers running harder and much faster stopped……🙄
Goodguys has been running basically this same autocross course on this lot for several years. I competed here for several years myself, but I was always very careful. Most drivers do avoid the walls.
Jan
@@scoutswimmer14 agreed!!!!
Why do people laugh when you wreck your shit? People are mean dude
Watch the drivers head slap from such a low speed impact. God Bless the HANS Device. At this level of autocross, it might be necessary to require. Especially around so many barriers.
Exactly. A Barracuda also crashed into a barrier right after the stop timer at the same event.
If you listen to the Cuda wreck he throttled into it, never even hit the breaks
th-cam.com/video/D1LnSvEVVN0/w-d-xo.html
@@scoutswimmer14 his gas pedal actually broke and got stuck under the breaks so the harder he pressed the brakes the more it throttled. The guy had the car since near new
@@austinrode3974 😭
I just watched that one. Its heartbreaking. What a loss.
And that folks, is how Dale broke his neck. Scary stuff.
As I wrote in my reply to another commenter:
These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
Let off the brake, Turn the wheel. That's an expensive rookie move.
Between this and the Barracuda I say somebody f*****-up the design of the course
Except the Cuda had a mechanical failure that accelerated him into the wall. Hard to design a course for a car that accelerated full throttle through the stopping zone.
Wow did you see how hard his head snapped forward? Body held tight by the harness but the weight of that helmet pulled his head forward more!
Drew, as I wrote in my replies to other commenters:
These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
He came in like a wrecking ball 😂😂😂
Listen closely it sounds like a hung throttle. Sounds like he was still in it or blipping it before impact.
Good ear, throttle hung for sure
No its just engine brake what you hear.
@@molnarrobert1893 oh so he was down shifting. Bet that was some fancy foot work. On the brakes, heel toe rev matching. Your probably right.
That maverick was wild!!!
Understanding that a locked/sliding front wheel won't allow for any directional changes is key to a grasp of vehicle dynamics. The natural reaction to a bad situation is to stomp harder on the brake pedal. Unfortunately in this instance, that had no effect. Quite possibly, the right foot had covered gas and brake, or the driver hit the brake with the left foot instead of the clutch, and the right one hit the accelerator. Tough to see a crash like this. Some of the sites used are just too small to allow for any margin of error.
Same here. I think that he drove the course with one foot on the brake and one on the gas, and forgot to move them over to press the clutch and brake at the finish.
This is why heel-to-toe braking is the preferred technique. It keeps your left foot free to quickly operate the clutch, and is less confusing once mastered, rather than the two-footed technique.
When I used to run this course/event in my pretty-much stock 2001 Mustang GT on Goodguys' "All American Sunday" in prior years, I always had a healthy respect for the dangers posed by those concrete walls nearby. Over the years there have been several serious encounters with them, including a very bad crash involving a classic 60s Barracuda the day before (which resulted in a mangled, twisted write-off)? My Mustang had pretty bad handling (a horrible combination of terminal understeer and power-induced snap oversteer), so I was always particularly aware of the potential for crash damage to my street car.
Jan
No rear brakes. One would think about that BEFORE/prior to "race A dang truck" in a close turn course.. LMAO 🤣😂🤣😂
Chevy guys don't think to often
Why would you think that the truck had no rear brakes? The motor was rocking hard, typically rear brakes can't stop against that.
I would think brake bias being you don't want all your stopping power to lock up the rear. You can't tap the brakes and weight transfer it when your break bias is set up right.
Ive never seen a maverick kick ass so hard before
Mavericks were never like that from Ford!
Jan
@@AutoMatters I dont think that any of those cars were stock, but ive also never seen a maverick that I would want to drive, till today...
Second video of the same show that involved a crash… lots of carnage.
The Barracuda's crash looked more violent.
Jan
Really like the appearance and stance of that truck.. shame accident happened.. but that's part of it.. you just never know
Beautiful truck bad break sorry boys hope it can be fixed
Gee hope the people the C10 are ok, hate ti see classics get damaged, looks like a lot of fun.
That sucks, looks like it hurt a lil bit!
That whip lash.
Similar to what killed Earnhardt. Scary.
As I wrote in my replies to other commenters:
These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
That's a bummer but it didn't look like there were any rear brakes.
The guy in the Vette had the huge advantage overall and not just because its a Corvette...If anyone notices he's running weighted rear rims...Those keep the power planted and rear settled for smoother transitions than his competitors and the Guy with the Blue chevy...He shouldn't of two footed that truck..You can hear there was torque still being applied to the rearwheels pushing that Chevy right into the K rails like he hit an ice patch..
Interesting...
I have no idea what "weighted rear rims" are but I do know that the driver of the yellow Corvette has been autocrossing for at least 25 years. Everytime I watch these Goodguys autocross videos I cringe seeing how close they run to the walls. That stop box at the finish! My opinion is this gives autocross a bad name. This would never be allowed at an SCCA event.
I've never seen this type of racing. Too bad about the crash.
Thanks Marsha. This is what I used to do for many years. I even autocrossed on this course in previous years, but i have not autocrossed in quite a while since then.
Jan
Did you see their heads whip forward then back from the weight of the helmets?
Im getting a Hans device.
I agree with you Randy. As I wrote in my replies to other commenters, these sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
Stuck throttle. And that is not enough track for American cars to do that type of racing. There's no room for error.
The other 60 drivers running faster and harder figured it out
@@scoutswimmer14 The thing is, with such a short shutdown area, there is little margin of error for dealing with a mechanical failure.
Jan
@@AutoMatters dozens and dozens of other drivers did it and like with the Cuda, where a throttle got stuck under a break, the amount of shut down area needed Cant reasonably be planned for
Dont know if this is like mine, but if a accidednt happens like this, guessing that the whole event has to be totally stopped, a whole bunch of paper work has to filed out, pictures must be taken of the accident and whatever else. right?
I'm sure that is true, and Goodguys no longer uses that section of the Del Mar Fairgrounds parking lot for their event autocross.
Jan
It's really too bad the driver of the truck didn't have any driving lessons . When you lock your brakes up you cannot turn . So many times racing formula cars I was in that same predicament . I learned that as soon as you lock up your wheels you need to let off on the brakes so you can turn and then re apply . All that has to be done in a split second . This guy had plenty of time to let off on the brakes and steer out of that situation . That decision to stomp on the brakes and hold them down was his downfall. So sad .
I think it's called 'the red mist.'
Jan
How come it's still too hard to understand that you can't steer when you locked up
Back wheels still turning. Did he not push in the clutch or something?
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall and torque is how far you push the wall. Either way another sweet square body gone. Glad everyone is ok.
I'm partial to the C10 as I have two...a 67 and 69......BUT....that Maverick ain't no joke!!!
I hope the drive is OK but that’s why it’s very important to upgrade your brakes as the first thing you do
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BRAKES SKIPPY the fucking throttle hung WOT no brakes are going to stop it!!!
RIP C10
Audience, all the cars were super nice; however, the blue truck at 5:08 just didn't have all disc brakes. Wow, he just f%&ked his truck up...Wipe out!!!!
Bad track design. Shame on the organizers.
Yeah….shame on them for one guys throttle braking and the other not knowing how to pump a brake and steer….😂
In the many years that I autocrossed regularly, I saw a fair number of cars that crashed hard when there was plenty of runoff area. Accidents can happen anywhere. Preferably, though, there would be lots of runoff area.
Jan
On a course this small and they are driving like it’s Le Man’s, I mean dude in the blue truck was out wanting trophies 👍🏻
Alan,
Autocrossing can be an addictive sport. I did that for many years.
Jan
@@AutoMatters cool👍🏻
No autocross event should look like this. Surrounded by buildings, concrete, people? Nope
After having their autocross here for many years (I entered it myself several times), GoodGuys moved it to a different location.
Locked up the brakes and drove straight into a wall. good job
Dayum. Watch the drivers neck snap forward. No Hans I guess.
Correct, no Hans device was worn, as far as I could see. As I wrote in my replies to other commenters, these sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
A squealing tire is a happy tire
The pick-up truck looks great are you going to get it fixed or keep it that way??? Use a Honda or some junker to practice with first I would never take a chance of putting my cars out on a course like that it only takes one error and look what you end up with ....
practicing with a honda would make it worse lol going from something lightweight that handles good and can stop to a rwd boat with 5 times the horse power is just asking for problems
Dang sad thing to see hard work goes down the drain. What’s up with that camaro stock suspension tires etc
Rags,
One of the nice things about amateur motorsports is that they often are "Run what you brung" kinds of events. Whether you compete in an incredibly well-handling, purpose-built competition vehicle or a bone-stock economy car, you may well learn how your car handles at its (and your) limits, which can make you a better and a safer driver.
Jan
Same corner as the Barracuda ??????
what a race !!! for all the cars.
the c10 needs better brakes !
I dunno about slow down to go fast, C10 driving was top notch and it had nothing to do with speed
it had everything to do with no rear brakes
Why would you think that the truck had no rear brakes? The motor was rocking hard, typically rear brakes can't stop against that.
@@125AXer well I didn't claim to be an expert so it's possible that I'm wrong here but nothing on that truck is factory including the brakes which are probably oversized wilwoods so when you watch him locking up the brakes the rears are spinning he whole time
@@zydecbro The currently popular burnout is accomplished in most cars by holding the brakes hard while standing still, and smashing the throttle. Brakes are balanced towards the front, a lot. During braking, 70-80% of the stopping power is accomplished by the fronts, due to weight transfer. Really strong rear brakes lock up early, and cause control issues, so they never have enough effectiveness to overcome a strong engine. This truck was still under power. Either driver error, or stuck throttle. Edit: See here for an example... th-cam.com/video/oYod1Z0kPY8/w-d-xo.html
@@125AXer Thanks for the explanation.
Jan
Well, that looked expensive!
Is that a parking lot?
It is a small part of the paved area of the Del Mar Fairgrounds (San Diego County).
Jan
@@AutoMatters so it’s a parking lot?
Am I the only one who wants to know what time he got?
Your talking about the Maverick right?
@@irvinetscorn6955 yea the truck
That wing on the vette is just silly. I thought i was going take off fpr a flight😂🤣
Damn dude bad luck! Hope you get another project to be gentle with. Looks like about $50k worth of observation Chevy
I’m sorry but it looks like if they would have got off the brakes they could have went left to avoid it
Dang see that hood fly off, good enough to scalp somebody.
Rip to the truck if it was Totaline
That Shelby🥰
Exact reason why I'll never run a Good Guy's course.
5:08 - you're welcome.
Parking lot racing? Whats the point really?
Potentially less expensive for competitors? Renting a race track is expensive.
Jan
Cool
Good thing it was just a Chevy no loss
Seriously?
One place I know to never bring my car this place is awful
Ha une fois qu on la prepare autrement que d origine c est des 🚀
Looked like a brake balance issue
Hi Ian. Yes, he clearly had trouble stopping. Scary stuff!
Jan
I just watched it carefully again. The front wheels were locked up but the rears kept turning. That would certainly seem to support your theory.
Jan
@@AutoMatters I would imagine they chose less braking on the rear because its a pickup and there's no weight on the rear. I have a brake bias adjuster next to the seat in my race car. At each meeting I stomp on the brakes and adjust it a number of times until each end locks up equally. Every track surface is different and each track will constantly change with the weather or get dustier as the day goes on and tires also change over a race day...There are so many factors that can screw up your braking
@ianbrown9082
That makes complete sense. I wonder if they knew they needed to do that and just forgot, or maybe the track, tires or whatever changed faster than they were expecting. I autocrossed for many years, but never at that technological level. I put on a set of sticky tires and had to keep using them until they wore out. I adjusted tire temps, and shocks on some cars, and tuned with 'competition' sway bars.. As a result, my setups were usually not great. My autocrossing days are over (I'm 70). Now I just take pictures of other people doing motorsports, but the skills that I learned are still making me a better driver than average.
Jan
Ah, like rookie drivers in fresh snow. The trucks not going to turn if the front brakes are locked up. The wheels need to be rotating in order to turn left/right. If he woulda let off the brakes, he woulda been able to steer out of it. Instead he panicked like a moron
Not to mention the non-responsive rear brakes.
Hey man, the truck fit on my credit card, that makes me a racer. Look mom, no hands!
He was going, So smoothly, But in the end, He messed up , With little over speed.
Didn't a Baracuda also hit the wall?
I think so.
Jan
LOL, Corvette with homeade wing.
That's two-feet in on the wrong two pedals. Shitty to see, but sadly similar skills.
RIP
No point going fast if you can't slow down in time to make it round the next corner. Don't just make your car faster, make it handle better too.
Seems like the brakes were cooked by the end of the course and it couldn't slow down enough
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Y era lo mas provable que esto pasara... si es la competencia mas estupida que pueden hacer.....
auto_awesome
Luis,
Goodguys Autocross ha corrido aquí en este curso básico durante varios años. Si bien esto sucede ocasionalmente, la mayoría de los conductores no chocan contra las paredes aquí.
Jan
I'm doin 30mph and I need a huge wing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Don't think he put the wing on for this course, probably more about not wanting to take it off, for what?
Come on don’t worry it’ll BUFF OUT
Wtf.... can I bring ....a...
Corvette.....or a viper
What was the fail? The track, surface, course design, driver couldn't say no?
Hate when that happens
them pick-up`s are built like crap the chassie frame is hopeless built so weak and bend like tinfoil ! full chassie is best
Horrible course site and layout. Dangerous for everyone.
the yellow corvette has a wing that does ZERO for down force…
Its for weight
@@darylarmentrout252 that’s funny
Drive in circles ⭕️ then what? Asking for a friend
tthe people organizing these cheese wiz tracks are just begging for a fatal crash... this is stupidity!
Do stupid things...win stupid prizes.
play stupid games
Nothin but understeer.
On his run he seemed to have plenty of oversteer. That truck had lots of power and a light rear end. That could certainly contribute to oversteer.
Jan
And hit the wall
He had no braking in the rear at all.
Why would you think that the truck had no rear brakes? The motor was rocking hard, typically rear brakes can't stop against that.
@@125AXer they can. He was off the throttle and sliding. Rear wheels still pushing.
@@dentonthomas5622 If he was off the throttle, why would the rear wheels still be pushing? Edit: Listen to the sound track. The engine was under load. Still open throttle.
@@125AXer the rear wheels were pushing because he had no rear breaks. When he let off the throttle and slam the breaks the momentum carried him into the wall. He probably had a good break setup but left out the proportioning valve.
@@dentonthomas5622 You are insisting on facts not in evidence, and making a huge assumption. Listen to the soundtrack. Slow it down to 1/2 speed. That motor is under load, still powering the rear wheels. Engines are often stronger than rear brakes. Look: th-cam.com/video/oYod1Z0kPY8/w-d-xo.html The pickup driver either made an pedal error, or had a stuck throttle.
😢
Goodguys sucks! There tracks are boring. They don't care about driver or car safety. I hope there events cease to exist cause every time someone wrecks a car. I blame the event more then drivers. Autocross should be the safest place to push a cars limits and goodguys ruins it every year
And there it is….. the good guys haterism is the biggest narrative at play here. 😂😂
@@scoutswimmer14 The problem is, when courses like this are allowed to happen, and the inevitable happens where drivers smash into walls, how long do you think a venue is going to allow it to continue? And then what hope does any other organization have with said venue to host an autocross?
That’s the issue. People like Goodguys are ruining it for the good guys.
@@g8autox the problem is, when 50-60+ other drivers running hotter, way faster runs listen to instructions and stop and one guy doesn’t…the guy who locked the brakes up on his truck is ruining it for the “good guys”…..you’re guys bias toward the events coordinators is so blatant and transparent you’re literally abandoning critical thought.
Next.
@@g8autox maybe if dumb mother fuckers used return springs on their carburetors and functioning brakes they wouldn't be crashing into walls ya fucking moron. Plenty of cars went out and didn't crash so you're dumb.
@@scoutswimmer14 no other organization puts k rails 10 feet front everywhere on the course
Abs¿
That should certainly have helped!
Observation: The yellow corvette with the ridiculous whale tail.
Was anyone impressed? Me neither.
Impressed with his time.
Shit track. Should be called the vehicle destroyer track. Can't understand why they put concrete everywhere.
Dean,
The concrete helps to protect the fans, course workers and private property from wayward competitors, although in this case not even the concrete barriers could protect a nearby motorhome from flying truck parts Luckily no one was in front of that motorhome.
Jan
@@AutoMatters why can't they use water barriers or even tyres? Something less destructive.
Dean,
The reason might have been because that is what was readily available at the Del Mar Fairgrounds. If cost were no object, they could have lined the course with Safer Barriers, like they use on NASCAR and other tracks, but cost IS a factor.
Jan
Dean,
To add to my reply to you, last Sunday I watched a drifting demonstration at the annual "Fabulous Fords Forever" event at Irwindale Speedway in Southern California. Coincidentally, while I was recording video, one of the drift cars suffered a steering failure and crashed into a concrete barrier - again doing significant damage to the vehicle. I only had a wide angle lens with me, since I went there to shoot the car show and did not know there would be drifting, too. If I can crop the video enough and it looks okay, I will probably post that here.
Jan
This seems to happen every year here now. Last year was a 64 Barracuda.
Ok, j seen this one and thought shit, another crash at the same event as the Cuda ?? But that makes sense. It was last year. Not that it makes it any better.
@@jasonhull5712 I heard that another car crashed here the day before this one.
Jan
They use a different lot at the Del Mar Fairgrounds now. It is not as exciting to watch but it is probably just as much fun and challenging for the competitors to drive.
Front brakes were locked up, rear wheels were still pushing it into the wall
I noticed that too.
Driver tried to open it all the way up, then panicked and locked it up. 'Bout $50K down the drain.
@@chrishultgren777 looks more like the throttle stuck, he had the front wheels turned full lock away from the wall and the rear tires where still pushing it forward, he never let off the throttle until the truck shut off at impact
@@SleepyUncleSam dude just panicked and stood on the brakes end of story. They may have bin poorly proportioned. But he should have 1 looked for a escape route via running over cones and 2 pumped the pedal as soon as the locked up. Stopping almost never works. Best to look for a exit route. Doesn't matter wich way the wheels are turned if they are locked up. The real wheel just weren't locked up and free spinning.
@@dormantmenace
I think that he was driving two-footed, one on the brake, one on the gas, got confused at the finish, and never moved his feet over to the left one pedal, to depress the clutch and the brake to be able to stop.
It looked like he was stomping on the brake and the gas at the same time.
This is why heel-to-toe is the preferred technique, as it keeps your left foot free to quickly operate the clutch.
You would think they would have a longer run off area for the stop.
They should have calculated the maximum possible speed at the end and then added the correct breaking numbers based on the national traffic safety administration's recommended minimums for breaking distance.
Bummer.
Yeah, you would think
I agree 100%! Plus the Chevy C10 owner should have installed rear Disc Brakes. If you look carefully his rear tires never stopped turning. In Autocross and Solo 2 you need superior braking power...
These Good guys "autocross" courses are the worst. Why would anyone want to risk their expensive build on a postage stamp sized area surrounded by concrete barriers and filled with every single cone they could find. I just don't get it.
Being a race car driver is harder than it looks.
I agree. These events should be held at actual tracks. At least you'll travel 50 yards before hitting the wall.
Well said..
That is stupid after it happened one time I would lobby for a common sense change !
Dude panicked and stood on the brakes. He should have pumped them as soon as they locked up. 2ndly stopping should always be the last resort. You look for a escape route. Stopping almost never works in these situations. He could have ran over literally 100 cones and came out better
Always sad to see someone's hard work and money get destroyed. Thankfully there were no injuries and hopfully there's enough good parts left to build a new truck.
Play hard it happens
Thanks for your comment, David.
These sorts of accidents where an automobile occupants' head is violently thrust forward and back, especially while wearing a heavy helmet, can cause lasting physical injuries.
I've had a couple situations in my life when my head was snapped forward and back in automobiles: once is an accident, where my Datsun 280Z 2+2 was rear-ended and I was shoved through an intersection; and once when I took a Press ride in the passenger seat of a professional off-road truck at a former off-road motorsports park named "The Quarry" in San Diego County. The first time I think I got whiplash. The second time, I felt like my neck was literally going to break, over the course of the 'routine' run through the course. To this day I still have range of motion issues with my neck.
I have never worn a HANS Device but perhaps they should be just as mandatory as a helmet in all forms of motorsports - even amateur.
Jan
@@AutoMatters take the risk accept the consequences
@@patmartin2730 if you cross the street and get hit by a car appect the consequences
Everybody should know do not use vacuum boosted breaks during a autocross event hydroboost is a must you're on the break so much and on the gas so much you're not making vacuum when you go to hit the brakes at the end you had no vacuum assist
Never thought of that...very good point!
Literally tens of thousands of cars have competed in autocross with stock vacuum boost systems. That was not the issue here.
@@125AXer bro look at autocross race prepped cars they all run hydro boost Terminator and Mach One cobras didn't run hydroboost for clearance issues they ran them because they were better than a vacuum boost
Maverick and mustang was fun to lock at what a brute. and vette were the best to watch. pretty sure the corvette races real courses. He's not gonna take the wing off for a 40 second stroll at this thing.
That was on the organizers.. they dident leave enough room for slowing down
Countless other cars ran faster and stopped. Maybe he shouldn’t show up in the truck class weighing way under what he’s supposed to.
Doesn't matter what you show up in or your experience level, that is a horrible course design to have such a finish area. There should have been offset pylons or a tight slalom just prior to the finish to force drivers to slow down, and then have the finish headed away from barriers instead of leading right into them if overcook your finish. Crashes are very rare in autocross yet they had 2 serious ones at the same event, both avoidable with a properly designed finish.
It absolutely does matter what you bring. When you have hundreds of horses in a truck that’s 1000lbs underweight your attempt to cheat will make you too light and unable to stop. Likewise, countless other cars stopped.
@@johnmcmullen456 the other crash. Listen to the end, he smashes the gas instead of the brake. No amount of preparation by event staff can mitigate driver error of that level.
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@@scoutswimmer14 I have been in this game a few decades and have helped design courses for SCCA events as a safety steward. You never design a fast finish leading straight into a barrier. Near the finish you add offset gates or a tight slalom to force drivers to slow down, then have the finish as a turn, away from any barriers. Accidents are very rare in autocross events but may result in the loss of the site or cancelled event insurance, especially if injury is involved.Two major accidents at one event may not bode well with this site owner's legal consultants. Oh, BTW, lighter vehicles brake better than heavier ones, all else being equal.
Brake faded .
I experienced it at the Sierra madre en Mexico going down hill .
pretty dangerous
Mario,
That would be really scary. How did you get slowed down?
Jan
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Stopped at the small village and let them cool down.
My car was a Pontiac fire bird standard transmission.
DOWN SHIFTING HELP ME A LOT .